Hello, my wonderful quiet rebels. Today's episode, I'm hoping is going to be like a breath of fresh air for you. If you've ever felt the pressure to always be doing things and getting shit done, then hopefully this is going to be the antidote to that. So I'm super, super excited to be joined by the one and only Becca rich on this podcast today, where we're gonna be talking about how we can start healing from toxic productivity. And I'm emphasizing the toxic here. So of course, productivity in itself is good, but it's how we go about it. That's something that we want to really explore and investigate the kind of the scope or the landscape of this whole topic. So Becca, thank you so much for joining today. Thank you Mako super excited to be with you and be in your energy and to talk about this such important topic that I think is so relevant, and like everybody's talking about right now. Yes, please tell us how you got into this, as well, because I know you've got a story that kind of leads to this. And also, because I really want to just like take a step back and ask, what do you do? Like, what is your quote unquote, business title?
As well, because I think it's gonna be super relevant for today. And also, yeah, what inspired you to reach out to want to speak about this topic in the first place? Yeah, so my official business title,
I put my air quotes up is holistic time coach and educator. So my business is has two sort of legs or arms extremities, and one is one on one services. So I have a VIP day and coaching, where I work with, with people individually on healing their time wounds and healing time scarcity, and sort of just like reimagining time management as we know it. And then the other part is educating other service providers in holistic time management, so they can then bring it to their clients and help them create this ripple effect of when you heal time wounds.
Ooh, time wounds. Okay. This is the first I've heard of this. So can you let us know what a time wound is?
Yeah. And I know, you asked a couple of questions. And I know, I'll get back around to my story. But a time wound is something that is deeply connected to my story, as well as anything that is a wound, right, you have a wound around time, what that looks like, is different for every single person. Sometimes it's toxic productivity, that's one of them. Another time wound is sort of like the hustle. It's the rushing, it's the can't sit still. Another time wound is I never have enough time. So it's sort of like all the different things that someone could experience when it comes to time that negatively impacts them or their life or their business.
I'm like raising my hand for all of the ones that you just mentioned, like okay, okay, let's get some healing done, or at least have some awareness of how we can even get started with that. But before we do, let's circle back to the original question. So what led you into this work in the first place?
Yeah, so I think I am a firm believer in the generational or intergenerational impact of toxic productivity or hustle are not enough time, time scarcity, all the time wounds that I just mentioned. And so I grew up like a lot of us did, going to school doing all the things and watching my parents work all the time. My grandpa and my dad were both throat were oh my god start over.
You know, we're gonna leave that in. So for those of you who don't know what, but it is kind of like many of our burps kind of like, start off in our diaphragm and slowly travel up a throat that is when it kind of gets stuck there. And the thing is, if it's lower than the spirit, like in the diaphragm area, or the chest area, you can kind of control like, whether it goes up or down. But when it's in the throat, it's kind of like, Oh, God, when is it gonna come? That's what it's worth. I didn't hear it.
I couldn't keep it down. I couldn't keep it down. Right. And we were thrilled burping before we record it together, so
thank you, I can feel I can feel oncoming, but it gets to full on belch then I'm gonna edit it out. But if not, then, hey, just human being here.
So the point of my whole life and business is learning to become a human. But anyway, so yeah, I grew up with an entrepreneur for a dad grandpa worked all of the time and really just like instilled in me. The you never get enough done. You can't rest until you've hit this one day point where you can rest and enjoy. My dad and family members still have not hit that point. little caveat there. And so I went and became an engineer and was like, I'm going to be a successful engineer in the oil and gas industry and Little did, I know four months into college, I would burn out in the hospital with an antecedent infection from not taking care of myself and getting super sick. And it took a little bit to recover. And then once I did, I was able to start to get into yoga and meditation and all the different, like alternative healing modalities that would eventually lead me to becoming a teacher in yoga and a teacher in meditation. And really just like, learning how to breathe I love when you introduce this whole podcast is like, I hope this is a breath of fresh air because that's essentially what all of this comes back to is. Mindfulness is the breath is the present moment is learning how to live in that present moment and not be so worried about doing and more being. So fast forward, I was an engineer, I continued on that trajectory, worked in a cubicle for three and a half years and then said, I'm done. I put my hands up and I became a digital nomad. Which you just found out today make?
Yeah, use that. Oh, yeah, I'm in Portugal. Right now. I'm gonna go Croatia. And I'm like, Are you traveling right now? I'm a digital nomad. I've been doing this for the last two years. And I was like, totally, like living vicariously through you. But you know?
Yeah, yeah. So we yeah, we've been traveling, I quit in July of 2020. And it was a plan prior to COVID. It wasn't like a COVID spur of the moment decision, we had been saving up for years. And then we, we took the leap and did it. And we've been traveling since then. And it's been really beautiful to heal my relationship to time, even deeper by traveling. And that's something that I use to help me like witness and other cultures. And it doesn't always have to be hustle. And I get to see other how other people live. And it's just, it's really beautiful. So that's sort of the long winded story to how I became what I am now. And time is just something that has been, like, so important to me, like how to best spend my time. And before it was like to optimize and that very capitalistic, toxic way of thinking about it. And now it's how to, like spend my time to feel fulfilled, and live, just live and be. And that's how the trajectory has changed over the course of the last, I guess, nine years now, since I burnt out?
Well, first of all, thank you so much for sharing your story. And I'm so sorry that you had to go through that like to learn it essentially the hard way. And as you were speaking about your travels, I thought to myself, that's actually a really wonderful way to weave that back into your work because you're missing different cultures in real time, and spending time with them, to understand their relationship with time, and whether it's something that they use it to enjoy their lives, and or if a second is wasted, then it's like, okay, we're not doing enough, we're not doing enough. And I was thinking to myself how often I say, it's just a waste of time, right. And I don't really say that very often anymore. I remember I used to when I worked with a couple of mentors, who really did advocate for the hustle culture to get get shit done and doing whatever we can with what ever we have. And I always found that quite the opposite of what I need as a human being that I need time to marinate on things. And just to not rush because I love that feeling of ease and calm. And so I'm curious to hear from you. Where do you feel that line is? And I know, it's different for everybody, but maybe you know, from your experience and your expertise, that line between where it's productive, and it's good for us, you know, because we do need to get things done. We can't just be like doing, quote unquote, nothing all the time, like there are times that we need to get up and do things. So where's that line before it kind of like goes into the toxic productivity territory?
Yeah, so I think there's a lot of things that you just said, my brain is going all over the place. But I think the biggest thing to come back to is that inner wisdom that like embodiment of where you're operating from is are you operating? Are you doing things out of needing to prove yourself meaning for contentment, meaning for, like, all different reasons, or are you doing out of just purely the things that light you up and excite you and bring you joy? And that can include work, right? Doesn't mean all work is bad? And I think that Then something that the opposite end of the spectrum, you know, when you're like anti hustle, anti productivity, anti traditional time management, it's like, you swing the opposite direction completely. And you're like, all of that is bad, and I shouldn't like my work. And I should feel bad that I want to work. And so that's what I'm seeing a lot of now. And I want to say that there is a balance, there is a line. And it all comes back down to your personal inner wisdom and the trust that you have with yourself, that where you're operating from.
I love that because I'm all for. So I'm gonna give a shout out to Kirsty Fanton who shared this term, just just an exchange of emails that you shaped strategies, as in like, the shape just for you sort of thing. And I thought to myself just now. So what is very personal it sounds like, where we deem something to be toxic or not, is where it comes from, for us personally. And for those who are listening right now who may not be used to tuning into their inner wisdom, when maybe the the cries, the shouts of the external voices, are drowning out their own right now? How could they get started with like, what do they look for? To tune into that in wisdom? Do they have? Is there a tool that you recommend for maybe your clients who? That again, they're not us, they're not fluent in that tuning?
Yeah. I think one to mention, it's part of the practice. It's something that grows, it's a muscle that you strengthen as you continue to do the thing as you continue to tune into yourself and talk to yourself and get that sort of inner wisdom and listening to it. And so I think the best place to start is, can you be still? Can you pause. And that is where, for me personally, if I feel unable to pause and to come to stillness, and to listen to myself, that's when I know that I'm doing to avoid something I'm doing to avoid my feelings or thoughts or into something, right. And so when, when you ask yourself, and just like noticing where you are, can you come to stillness? If the answer is no, I'm rarely still, then there is like an essence of potential toxic, toxic productivity. Because when I used to get still, I used to get so irritable my skin felt like it would like crawl and itch, right. And it's sort of like that's an addiction. It's an addiction to doing. And there's, you find fulfillment, and you'd find happiness and contentment out of doing. And so when you tap back into the stillness, again, and again, and again, you start to then listen to your intuition and hear what what you're operating from, and you start to get that inner wit, like the inner voice, that's telling you what you're doing, like, how you're doing it, what you're doing, how you're feeling all of that stuff. And so if you Yeah, do you mean your original question is, how do you start, and I would say, to get still, to practice getting still to practice resting. And I want to caveat that with I've worked with a psychotherapist for two years now I'm in a 12 step group, sort of around a lot of this healing work. And I do a so much other healing work around this yoga, meditation, journaling, so many different things that have helped me learn how to get still. And it's, there's a lot of trauma that can come out of sitting still. And so there is a trauma sensitivity that comes into this conversation at this point.
Yeah, I think that's really important to acknowledge. So thank you for sharing where that comes from for you and how to kind of it's almost like we're inviting all the quiet rebels who are listening right now to be like, Hey, this is from my perspective, but you know, consider what it is for yourself. And the first thing that came up for me when you said about, can you be still, I immediately thought of one of my loved ones, who very rarely is still because when they are, they're very irritable. They're very, like itching to do something. And I always found it, a struggle to connect with them sometimes because of their lack of presence in the moment, because there's always the next moment the next moment and not being in the actual one in the current present. And then my next thought, That kind of report from there was kind of like what do I make it mean about myself if I am still, and I'm glad you acknowledge the the kind of uprooting, that's happened in your own journey when you've worked because you're a psychotherapist, because when I've worked with my therapist, I know that stillness to me is hard for me to tap into. Even though I know it's good for me with my line of work, which involves a lot of depth, right? So I need to be in a place where I can hold people and guide them there. And if I don't get the rest I need, then it's very difficult for me to do my job like to do my work. But when I think of stillness, I think of how I used to rest after I came back from school when I was younger, when I was a teenager, for example. And then my mom would come down, getting ready to go to work, because she would work from my five until late at night. And she'd be like, Why are you lazing around for? Like, why are you doing something and I was like, I just come back from school, I have been up because I'm not, I am not an early bird by any means. And so being up at like, what, seven in the morning, and then going to school starting on 830. Coming back at fall, it's like a full on work. There's no wonder why I want to rest. So I definitely still find myself with that challenge of not calling myself lazy if I actively need to rest in order to do my best work. So I think many of us have our own versions of this. Kind of like this relationship and this awareness of why we might not want to, because of what we make it mean, or what others make it mean about us if we choose to rest versus work.
Yeah, so true. I used to yell at my husband actually, for playing video games. Like, I'm guilty of perpetuating toxic productivity. I am the first to say that because it's I used to, like not understand how he could rest. I didn't get it. I was like, so confused. Now. I've it's totally different. And I, yeah, completely different. But um, yeah, it was it was really challenging, to be able to witness other people and joining and resting and taking care of themselves when I wanted to so badly. And yet I still couldn't. There was still like, there's a lot of stuff holding me back from being able to, to do the thing that I want it to do.
Yeah, and thank you for just raising your hand, like, no one can see, but me but you physically, I do that as well as like, Oh, I'm gonna raise both hands here. And I same thing for me. I've definitely nagged my partner, every now and then for playing video games. But now I understand that that's how she prefers to have her downtime, because she is out of the house for at least 12 hours most days. And so when she comes home, she doesn't want to just sleep because then it's like, where is my day, like, where's my Meantime, and so that's her me your time and how she rest and relax. And I know, the whole blue light thing can interfere with like actual rest when you're sleeping and stuff, but different, different needs to be met. But something that comes out I would love to ask you is for those who find it counterintuitive to rest, because I because we need to be productive for various reasons. Because we do need to, you know, put food on the table, we need to keep these roofs over our heads and things. So productivity, of course serves a purpose for us to to earn that, right. And so for those who may really be struggling with the idea of not working, not being productive to rest, even though that productivity actually leads to some form of security for them. How would you invite them into this conversation on how they can work in tandem together and not necessarily conflict with each other a bit of counterintuitive action?
Yes. Oh, this is such a great question. And, of course, because of who I am, I'm going to say this at the beginning, like the reason why hustle culture is so prevalent, the reason why productivity has become toxic is literally because we had to work right? It's steeped in capitalism. It is steeped in everything that we know in our society and we attach ours to numbers, aka like money dollars. A lot of people say money is time. Like there's so much out there that makes us feel like we all always have to be working and doing in order to then feel safe, there's a detachment of safety. And so it is real and starting there, you can work in tandem, it is possible, I do it, I help my clients do it as well. And the way that I like to go personally going about it is setting up my schedule based on one my capacity as well as my revenue goals, those like the two figures, right? And so what is my revenue goal in order to have all the things that I need to have to be safe? And and, you know, meet my needs? And then what do I need to do like, or what is my capacity? Personally, as a human being, and both of those numbers, then tell me what I need to do when I need to do it and how I'm going to do it. And so sort of like reverse engineering into the answer of how to fill your time, right? When it comes to an online business owner for me. One of of course, the biggest things is getting on calls with folks console calls, Discovery calls, connection calls, talking to them being in relationship, you know, all of those things, marketing, but you can do that forever. Like it's unlimited the amount that you can do. So of course, like there's that opportunity to always be doing those things. But that's why I have to cap my my capacity. And my capacity is taking calls for three days, and then having one additional day of work to like, create or work on my business or do the things that need to get done support my clients on the back end, etc. Aside from that, like I have no scheduled time. Oh my gosh, nother throat burp. This is weird.
It's just start up day.
Birthday. So yeah, like, really just reverse engineering using your revenue goals and your capacity to figure out what you need to get done. And then it's sort of like, my, my way of looking at is like the bare minimum. And then you do it and experiment, see how it works? See if you're meeting your revenue goals, see if you feel good? And if so then amazing. If not, what do you need to refine? So that's sort of the answer.
Yeah, I think that's really important to reverse engineer the goals is kind of like how when we receive advice, for example, in the in the realm of pricing is kind of like oh, charge what you're worth, or it just feels such an like an abstract idea. And so in order to make this idea of just like anti hustle productivity to be more normalized for us, we would need to take that abstract idea and actually have it be informed by our needs. So what I'm hearing from you is, you take into account your needs for safety in terms of your financial needs, and therefore integrating your revenue goals that are required for those new teammates, as well as your human needs. So it's both what's effective for your business and both efficient for you to move ahead with. That's what I'm hearing for everyone who's listening right now to consider for themselves, because all of us are in different positions. We're in different positions of privilege, we're in different positions, in terms of our access to resources as well. And so please do take everything that Becca is saying and have it apply to your lifestyle and your your intersections of your identity. Because what may work for her may not work for us and meet what works for me may not work for other people as well. So for all of you who are listening, please do take this with a grain of salt in the sense to apply it to your needs.
Yeah, thanks for that beautiful summarizing.
I think it's a I get I hear that a lot. It's like, oh, yeah, you just encapsulated all the things I'm like, Cool, maybe that's my my strength. And I was like to recap so. Anyhow, okay, so we've talked about what led you into this work, we talked about that line that we decide for ourselves between when it becomes toxic productivity versus just productivity in itself. We've talked about how we can start tuning into our inner wisdom, and how to work with that seemingly counter intuitive feeling of like, but rest is more productive, and I can actually be more helpful for us words, and to apply it to ourselves. So I guess like from here, where do you recommend that we get started? Because again, many of us may not be even aware that we are probably already in the toxic productivity territory. So how do you invite your clients or people in your audience to just kind of expand their awareness a little or to kind of identify where they are in this process?
Yeah. So since I am a, like a certified Reiki healer and yoga teacher meditation guide, one of the things that I do to support my clients is guiding them in slowing down is being still is coming back to themselves. And it's the first step in sort of like my holistic time management framework as a whole is connection is coming back to you as a human being. And when we practice that, like we've already discussed, we get those little inklings of truth of awareness of insight around, are we spending our time in the best way that we want to? Or are we doing what we want with our lives? And from there, then the clarity of like, what I need to change or what I need to do differently, can come forward. And when we're always going, going, going, doing doing doing, it's impossible to hear what we are doing what we need to change what we want to do differently. And so, that's the place that I get started and I don't know why make a I like really want to guide us. Would you be interested?
Oh yes, please. I always love some examples. So yes, walk us through your process.
Let's do some embodiment. So if you do feel comfortable, you can sit back in your seat you can close your eyes if that feels safe.
Mine my squeaky chair lead excuse me and I've got my feet on exercisable under my desk. So if there's any squeaking this problem is just not for me it's just from the things I'm sitting on. Okay, I'm ready.
You are okay just as you are we welcome and accept you just as you were just starting to get comfortable in your seat whether you need to move your shoulders your neck your back or anywhere else in your body that would make you more comfy
just taking a big deep breath in and letting it go another dig deep breath in sending your breath down into the belly and then letting it go and one more biggest Breath of the day so far breathe in deep and then exhale if it feels supportive or nurturing I always like putting my hand on my heart so if you would like to do that you can as
well feeling your heartbeat your chest rise and fall with each breath if the mind moves to another place in time, you can come back to your hand on your heart or your breath
connecting with yourself by asking yourself how are you how are you feeling in this moment? Is there anything that you need or want how is your heart? Was there any thinking that your inner self might want to tell you might want to share with you
you can ask yourself what do I need to know? Again, if a mind wanders into another space in time, you can return back to your breath through your hands on your heart
just letting yourself know your inner self that you are here for them. You're always here for them throughout the day. Each time you pause and come back to this place, the present moment.
You can listen to them clearly. And it's a practice that you can always come back to
the sending a thank you to yourself for pausing and tuning in listening. When you feel ready, you can slowly start to come back to your body if you want to move or wiggle your fingers or toes not the same how your body feels? Nobody eyes on you're ready.
Okay, that was I haven't felt this stillness for quite a long time. Something that I've realized now coming out of it. And can I share a couple of things that came up during that process? Please. So number one, the first thing that came up was guilt. My human design type is a manifesto. And apparently the proportion of rest to work is 80%. Rest and 20%. Work. And I can see your reaction was like, ah yeah, so for those of you who are not into human design, or you don't know what it is, just like how there are 16 personalities and Myers Briggs and everything, there are plenty of ways that we can identify with a way to understand ourselves. And to me, human design has been incredibly eye opening, I feel super understood by it. But I digress. So my design type is meant to rest a lot. And when I appreciate the fact that I'm in a position where I can actually rest a fair amount, there's a guilt that gets attached to it. Because, for example, my partner doesn't get to rest in the same way even though I know that she would love to be able to rest a lot more. But her line of work requires her to be out and about and physically active on her feet all day and throwing axes. So she's what she does. So guilt is something that makes me resistant to rest because I feel bad that not everybody can do that. So it's almost like I acknowledge my privilege in the line of work I do where I can choose my schedule, essentially. But let's get attached to that. So I'm going to work through another thing. I definitely know I have my mom's clenched eyebrows. When when she wasn't very happy, like say if we we did something I don't know we broke a plate or something back then of course. She would get these. This furrowed eyebrows and we know that Oh, okay. Well, I'm pretty mad. I get that feeling when I try to rest and another thing anguishes on a more happier note. There are occasions where I would spend a day literally binging a Netflix show or an anime or a series of movies. Like literally on what Saturday, I watched all three that the trilogy of the Netflix film, To All the Boys I've Loved Before. Lovely movie, all that to say, especially if it's an anime, my partner normally gets quite happy because like we both love anime. And I would say to her, when she comes back from was like, Oh, I spent all day like, I've watched the entire anime X or something. And she would look at me. And I'd look at her. And we'd have this moment when we know about to say, and we we both go time well step, we give each other like a high five. And then when that came up for me, it made me think to myself, no one get no one else but me gets to determine how my time is spent well, on what. And I'm like, Okay, I feel that starting to exercise that feeling of choosing what works for me tuning into my inner wisdom, what I need, because maybe what I needed that day, is to feel inspired and have these heartfelt moments because the animes I watched they're very wholesome. And they do make me think about the greater picture in life and how we treat people how we treat ourselves. And if I spent a day getting immersed in that kind of energy that feels incredibly nurturing, who else but myself gets to say that time was spent, whether it was well or not. And for me, it's definitely most spent. And I appreciate that my partner mirrors that with me, when it's especially when it's anime not only with anime, but especially with anime. Yes, time we'll split. So that can up for me. I'm curious. I know, you're the one who led that exercise just now. But Did anything come up for you that you'd be open to sharing at all?
Okay, if not, yeah, I mean, thank you so much for sharing all of that, like beautiful inner wisdom that came forward from like, experiences, to awareness to strategy, like literally all the different things that came out, like, I'm just acknowledging and celebrating you. For me, I always, especially on podcasts, right, like, there is like some nerves, so I was able to just call myself and feel my heartbeat, and slow, slow everything down, coming back to my body and reassure myself that one, just how important this work is. And to that. Just validating myself and loving myself and approving of myself, that's something that I'm constantly working on is just like, loving on myself more and more and more every day, because I don't think that there can ever be too much like self love. I guess there could be that's a whole different topic. For me personally, as someone who grew up like with a lot of criticism, and a lot of sort of like perfectionism type A, right wrong kind of stuff. That's, that's big. So yeah, that was sort of what came up for me and really just being able to breathe. And slow down is it's just like such a gift. It's so beautiful.
It really is, you know, and thank you so much for sharing your side as well. And you for a moment. So when we started when you said feel your heartbeat, and I was like where's my heartbeat, I can't feel my heartbeat. And he also said, I'll feel the rise and fall of your chest. Why am I not rising and falling. And I realized is because I hold my breath. And my therapist actually pointed out to me as well. She said, It could be an indication of the freeze response where holding one's breath could actually help you feel safe in that moment. But it could also be a reflection of the trauma response depending on what you perceive as a threat. So maybe, for some of us, rest could actually be a legitimate threat for us. Like if we rest then this could happen like x y that could happen. So that was also a very interesting observation, so forth. So I think for those of you who are listening right now, hopefully either examples from myself or Becca can help give you some insight into what could come up for you in this process. And yeah, that's just feel lucky to smoke. So thank you so so much for giving us the first hand experience of what this work could be like when we just really start to nurture ourselves from the inside out in our relationship with time. So as we start wrapping up this conversation, we talked about a lot of things so where would you advise that are quiet rebels could get started like I know there are plenty of starting points and there's no singular starting point per se unless you want to share share with us. If there is a is a great starting point. Yes, please do.
Yeah, one of the beautiful gifts of coaching is ask asking questions is powerful questions. And so in order in opposition of giving an advice, which is typical, especially when it comes to time management, business world, all of that stuff, I want to leave with a question and put you in into the sea of power position of power, because you do have the power over your body, over your heart, over your emotions over your thoughts, is asking yourself, Where do I want to start? What is my next step? What do I want to do differently? Or if I want to do something differently, maybe you want to just continue doing everything, how you're currently doing it? And then the next thing I would say is, how do you want to celebrate yourself? So that is, that's my advice is really just to continue to strengthen that muscle of listening to yourself, because that's the most underrated and yet most important skill to be a fulfilled human being a successful business owner, a happy partner, literally all the roles that we all hold your inner voice is your guide.
And the question that kind of came up for my own personal litmus test, which could also be helpful, because your question is like to help us find our questions. And so I guess the one that came up to me with this one, like, what do I feel, like need to change? Because something's not working right now? Or not working the way I wanted to? It's kind of like, oh, yeah, like, where are those areas of improvement that I might want to venture into? And also, this probably sounds silly, but I'm just gonna say anyway, as soon as you said, it's like, oh, you've got the power. I immediately need to be thought of.
I don't know who thinks that. But it's, it's a very iconic line through through history. The history of music. Yeah,
I hear it. I hear the song.
Like, I think I've heard it for the first time when I watched Bruce Almighty with Jim Carrey, is when he basically obtained the power of God. And of course, he kind of abuses that power, essentially, for his own personal gain. Sorry, spoiler alert. But yeah, there's a moment where he, he acknowledges, oh, my gosh, I have it and he goes, I got the power. And he's singing it over the streets. But anyhow, I digress. But thank you, for like asking that the question to help us find out question and just to realize it, it's, it's always a continual work in progress to reflect this muscle, it's not something you just obtain and keep something is a practice to embody. That's what I'm hearing.
Yeah, in the doing, reiterating, like when you are so focused on doing or when you're just in the habit of doing doing doing, that's when that inner voice gets quieter, and quieter and quieter. And so that's why stillness is so so so like pivotal for this whole journey.
The visual that just came up, as you said, that is stillness practices. It's almost like putting a microphone to you in a voice. Just taking here a little bit louder.
Podcasting, Queen.
Oh, whenever I can use a mic as an analogy, it's awesome. But anyhow, so for those who are so curious about learning more about what you do, how you work with them, where can we get to find you? So tell us all the links. And don't worry about spelling? I'm gonna put all of it in the show notes. So for those who don't know her name, like, is there any cave in her name? I mean, like, is there another age? Don't worry, I got you. It's all gonna be in the show notes. So you just let us know. I would just pop it on links. No need to smell of
it. Yeah. So you can go and google your your trusty BFF and type in the holistic time coach, and my website should pop up. My Instagram should pop up my LinkedIn, not super onto LinkedIn. But that's like my other platform that I use sometimes. But yeah, I would love for you to connect on Instagram, send me a DM that's sort of how Mai-kee and I started connecting as well. And I just love being able to, like I said, build relationship and being community. It's one of the reasons why I'm a coach and why I'm in business. And yeah, you can go onto my website and snoop around there too.
Awesome. So pop your website, Instagram and your LinkedIn or in the show notes, and I love that it's all like one handle. There's no underscores or dots or anything. It's just all it's all one clean handle, which I appreciate. But even if it wasn't, I would have put it in the show notes. Anyway. Thank you so much. So I've got two final questions for you. And then we'll do to wrap up. Are you ready? Yeah, let's go. All right. So number one is what makes you a quiet rebel.
Yeah, I love this question. Because I'm sort of, I'm doing some brand messaging work. And she came up with this gentle revolutionary and I didn't like I love that term, and so gentle, quiet sort of similar. And my reason for being a gentle revolutionary or quiet rebel is because I help people find stillness, and I help them slow things down. And like we've done today together today is tune into that inner wisdom. And when we tune into that, like innate wisdom inside of us, it's often in rebellion to what the norm is in what society is traditionally doing. And it takes some rebellion. It takes some work to listen to come to stillness, and then actually follow through and make those those changes and make those things happen that your soul is craving.
Okay, first of all, whoever that branding person is a genius because that is such an incredible term either Poppins, like, Ah, no, no, no, no, I love quite rebels because actually, it was also in my own branding work, where that came up that that name and it just, it has stuck since I day I left my last job when I actually worked for another digital marketer. And I remember I had my branding photoshoot and the branding process literally the month after I left because I really wanted to you know, get my get stuck into it. And yeah, it's been so resonant ever since I thank you so much for sharing the fact that you are definitely on we're on the same parallels we're on the same wavelength here we are covering the same ground and expanding into different areas together so just thank you for being the gentle revolutionary that you are, we're super honored to invite you into our cart rebellion to share your work and to help reach more people. So thank you so much for sharing. Thank you. And final question which I love asking my guests who like me ask this question and that is what is one way effect or a fun story about you that no one else knows on the internet?
Yeah, so fun fact, my name is not Becca. You really have an alter ego. So um, so when I was born, my mom named me Isabel and then changed it I think the timeline is a little for like fuzzy personally, obviously, but also like with other with other people in my family. A couple of months. Sometime after I was born, she changed it to Becca because she was scared I'm blonde and she was scared people are gonna call me Izzy dizzy. Oh, why but I love Isabel and I went waterfall rappelling canyoneering this past weekend, and they wrote Bella on my old tag, which was so funny. I was like, Hi, my name one day
I don't know we'll see. That's kind of like honoring the name that you currently have as backup but also almost like a tipping the hat towards like your original neighbor. So cool. It's like thank you awesome stuff. Well, thank you so so much for sharing your otherwise secret identity with us was super super grateful to be on the receiving end of this knowledge. And I appreciate you so much for coming on to the podcast sharing all that you have and inviting into that in con English today. enlightening us into that wonderful exercise towards the end so so appreciate you so thank you so much again I really can't English that was happening somewhere. Thank you full stop period
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