Yeah, I need to meet Monica now. Next time you're in New York. Yes. But yeah, so that was a big part of my inspiration, and looking at microfinance models globally, and then working for an organization in India for a couple of years. And I really, really enjoyed that experience and learned so much. And it was around that time that Kiva was really starting to take off, and Kickstarter was just launching. And with my arts background, you know, the whole Kickstarter model resonated deeply. And so I was, I was really following those early days of crowdfunding and very, very excited about it. I think there was something just theoretical that I loved around this concept of unlocking funds from communities around the world for communities around the world that I got very excited about, I didn't know exactly what that looked like, or how to get involved, but I just I wanted to be a part of it. And ultimately, I spent some time at business school exploring that and was able to do some consulting for Kickstarter, and even launched a crowdfunding platform for performance artists. While Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I mean, I was always trying to merge the art side with with the other work as I was, as I was getting going. And I think one of the things that I learned through that experience, though, and engaging more with crowdfunding was that it was feeling pretty transactional in a lot of ways that was different from the kind of real community based connected experiences that I was having, working in microfinance. And ultimately, that's where I came up with this idea of like is, how could we, you know, is it possible to create a more purposeful giving experience, create something that's more connected, and meaningful, still using technology to help democratize access and unlock funds? But you know, breathe a little bit more of that community and meaning into the experience? And, yeah, that was a big question. I didn't know what that looked like. I didn't know how to really go about that. And so I spent several years in the nonprofit space, after business school, just to try and better understand how were donors connecting with nonprofits, what was working, what wasn't working. And ultimately, that led to the early ideas around Grapevine and creating a more purposeful giving experience, through community and collaboration. And I have to say, we, when we got started, it really was from that lens of how are we creating a whole new category that's separate from crowdfunding, which I now like to call crowd granting. That's, that's, you know, bringing this whole other element. Yeah, this whole other experience into that, that, that moving of collective funding, but I had no idea of giving circles existed. And so it was in the early days of creating a couple of concepts and experimenting with them that a few giving circles discovered us and reached out. And that's where we realized, of course, we're not creating anything new, right? This is something that communities have been doing for decades, you're in the US coming together and connecting with each other pooling money and giving back as a collective. And they don't have good tools. So that traditional philanthropic infrastructure has largely kind of left them out of the picture. And it just became this wonderful moment where we connected and started to build together to create what is now Grapevine.