Doing? Well, Yeah. So, you know, I feel like, like, you know, we were talking before, this seems to be a line in the sand right now in the trans issue really seems to be that line. You know, the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBTQ rights group in the country, they're declaring now a state of emergency. This is over the past two, they save more than 75 bills and they're framing them as being against LGBTQ rights. Are they really under assault? Like what's this really about?
There is an assault but it's they're the ones doing the assaulting. I think that, you know, this issue, I think, Josh is, is transcends even the old marriage battles and marriage wars. Because even though I'm someone who puts the fun in fundamentalism, I mean, I had plenty of libertarian leaning friends who were like, you know, if to homosexuals you know, if they're in a monogamous relationship and want to live together, visit each other in the hospital pass on their, their wares to one another, and they're, you know, then What business is it of mine. And so there was always going to be a libertarian streak to relationships involving the consenting consenting adults aspect, particularly post six sexual revolution. I mean, a lot of us have grown up with premarital sex and pornography, and these things are abundant and rampid. Almost every one of us has to come to them in some level post sexual revolution in America. So I think a lot of people feel as if they rightly or wrongly feel as if they don't have the the resume to hold someone else accountable in this area, where adult consent a consensual activity is concerned. But when we get into the there's one thing to pervert reality, which is from the Christian perspective, What we call sin, there's another thing to reject it all together. And this is to say that, well, it's not just that I want to take the instincts and the desires that God put in me, and I want to pervert them, I want to deny them now all together reject them all together, I'm I'm not even the same person I was created or born as I'm not male, I'm not female. I'm, I'm non binary, which is to really actually to to, to put everybody in a in a binary or non binary state, Josh is right back to making a binary argument. But I digress. But But this idea that it's a denial of reality, for example, if someone like, you know, I've worked with at the blaze before Dave Rubin, who identifies as gay, I would imagine, you know, Dave's not having gay sex 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and I'm not having straight sex 24 hours a day, seven days a week either. So if we choose to, we can find other areas where we might agree and find common ground and maybe find a way that disagreement here aside, we can share a country and maybe even share some values. In this case, though, someone is asking me right from the outset that I have to agree to their psychosis, I have to agree to their rejection of reality. Like, I don't have to follow someone who is living a moral life different than me into that immorality in order to acknowledge them. But here I have to, I have to follow you into your insanity in order to acknowledge you and, and by me acknowledging that then I have to deny my own Creator who made you male and female, I have to admit that you're wrong. You're right, he's wrong. That's called sin. I cannot do that. not to mention, it's insane. And it's not a coincidence that we want to market this to children. I think that has that kind of libertarian streak in the old gay wars. I think that is gone. When you start marketing this stuff to children, you start seeing these family frame family friendly drag shows, and there are dildos and everyone sex toys, and everything else is laying out for children to see. And I think there's a lot of people that maybe don't care too much about gay marriage that are looking at this Josh and saying, Ah, hell no, this is insanity not happening on my watch.
I'm seeing that too. I mean, there's groups like even gays against groomers, that right against that whole movement. And I really do feel that ironically, when this big LGBTQ group is coming out criticizing these different policies across the country against their movement, most of that is against things that would expose children to, you know, sexual imagery. And it seems that that is it looks like that's the breaking point. For a lot of this, it feels like there's a shift. And I'm sure they see that as well.
It should be the children should always be the shift. The next generation is always our most important natural resource. I mean, if we're not interested, whether it's the abortion issue or this issue, if we're or the nuclear family issue, if we're not interested in perpetuating our legacy or our heritage, our next generation, then let's just go ahead and pull the plug and goodnight, the you know, the party's over now, What are we doing here then? I mean, the idea that we want to sit we're so eager to tarnish our children. And how many of these pride festivals we've seen this in Florida with Ron DeSantis, for example, where they have canceled pride festivals because of laws in places like Florida that do not permit you to cavort and behave like the pedo group. Are you are in front of children? Josh, What is the benign and innocent explanation for why you'd have to cancel a Pride festival? Because you couldn't bring kids? Josh, do you know What it is? Because I don't know What it is. And most Americans don't know What the benign and innocent explanation is either. And that's why they're pissed off.
Well, this touches on something a lot deeper as well, which I've been saying for a while. Really, I think on the surface in the United States, we believe we're debating political issues, but in reality, we're debating moral issues. I would say even the gun rights argument is an argument between you know, whether you should have the right to defend yourself the argument even around abortion is around the argument of whether you believe in the human soul or not. We're debating morality, while I think falsely believing we're debating politics. And I'm curious, if you What are your thoughts on this
100% agree, I would even maybe take it to another degree and say that we are debating spiritual issues that we are, we are watching a form of spiritual warfare open up in the political arena. And you know, the old culture war that defined us really post sexual revolution until about five or 10 years ago, the old culture war in the left right diagram kind of was defined to this way. If you were a little more liberal or left of center in nature, you agreed you had individual autonomy individual agency, and the only limit on that would be that if What you were doing could be proven to have harmed another person and consent was really morality. If another adult consented to your actions, then it was okay. And there was no higher value other than consent, unless you were doing something that hired people who could not consent visa vie children, or you didn't have consent. On the right, we used to say, well, there is another authority, your Creator, beyond just human consent, there is another ethic. And so these two sides waged war for a generation they both agreed and agency, they both agreed and autonomy. They just disagreed on on who governed those things. And What the limits on them were. The new culture war is that either have unlimited agency and autonomy to do whatever the Sandhill I want, no matter how depraved it is, or as we saw during COVID, Josh, I don't have any at all, I don't have any agency at all. I have to be completely compliant completely award of the state. And this by the way, is spilling over into the moral issues to let me give you just a very practical example. When you and I were growing up, and when we went into the locker room after you know, a sporting event and showered with our teammates, we might notice another kid naked in the bathroom. Maybe he looked different than me he was more endowed or less endowed than me. You wouldn't say it out loud though. You kind of kept those thoughts to yourself, right? Because that was just you know, we're we mean What happens to other Yeah, Yeah. Are you made fun of each other for doing it? Exactly. What happens now is I jump on Tik Tok. I make a video and I say and I say, you know, I noticed another guy naked Is that Is there something wrong with me? Then What happens is a feedback loop gets created. You know, everyone on Tik Tok, everyone, you know, jumps on and says, you're gay, you're trans, maybe you're really a Woman. And you wouldn't dare push back on that now. Because that would make you a bigot. And that exact same crowd will now turn on you. And you will wear the scarlet letter. And so this momentum gets going and gets going and gets going. It gets fed into the subconscious. There is no moral line that says, Alright, let's push pause on this here because it's starting to get weird. And then before you know it, you're in a clinic getting getting counseled for gender reassignment surgery. That's because the the number one value in America today isn't merit. It isn't morality, it isn't significance, it isn't compassion, it's compliance. Am I compliant with the will of the regime with this with them with the social media mob? And that's how I that's how I achieve virtue. That's how I achieve its acceptance. Its significance is compliance with that mob.
You know, Steve, I think you're hitting on something really important as well here, which is, you know, where's the button to say, okay, stop enough because you're told right now that if you do say stop enough, I don't support this you're being called a bigot or a Nazi or a fascist? You know, I've been saying for a while now, it's really an inverted moral system. Absolute liberalism, taken to its extreme is devoid of any morality. And the what's considered moral now is essentially the total abandonment of morality what's considered moral is saying you do not support something what's considered the morals if you say you don't support something, but where's the where's the baseline with that? Where is the where do we stop if you cannot say you don't support something? It does seem to be this real downward spiral things are on but but given that I do wonder if we've hit the breaking point is as we were discussing, these boycotts we see now sweeping the country do you feel they're gonna they're having an impact in changing or shifting the culture
will judge the slippery slope arguments the only undefeated argument in the history of humanity? The reason why they always get mad when people Like me use them is because they're undefeated, unfortunately. And and there is though eventually a point of reverb and blowback eventually, I think that we many of us thought we would have hit it long ago or by now, but there are there are anecdotal signs that we are hitting it. Now you mentioned What happened with Budweiser and target what's happened to their stock their their market caps, the same thing with Disney. I was doing our monthly grocery shopping with my wife yesterday in Walmart. And when we got done, I looked at her I said, did you notice something or maybe not notice something we went through this entire store? Where's all the rainbow stuff? I mean, I mean, it was, you know, it was basically gay Christmas, it was rainbow jihad, Christmas at Walmart, and all these places, even here where I live in Iowa, every June, all right, there was no sign of any pride stuff or anything at all. In fact, a lot of you know, I can't speak for the rest of the country. But even in Des Moines, Iowa, where I live, it was omnipresent this year, man unless you're at affirming, or What we would call heretical churches, or corporations that are really down with the with the with the virtue signal, outside of you know, political Twitter and the debates we're having, you'd have no idea and many places that this is going on. And it is not nearly as obnoxious as it has been in years past. And I wonder if pardon the pun, the fear of God has been striking to some of corporate America. And I thought Elon Musk made an excellent point the other day when he said, you know, in any other era, we would have already seen class action lawsuits by investors against places companies that are publicly traded like Disney and target. What are you doing tanking my stock like this for your political cause? Now, we haven't gotten there yet. But I wonder if they're backing from the brink, because they sense that they might have brought us to the breaking point.
Yeah, Steve, just last question on this, given the direction of the country right now. And you know, your film doing very well, by the way, where do you see things heading? What do you it does feel like there's a shift right now? I think a lot of people can feel it. But I think because maybe of the Internet censorship and so on, people can't really communicate it as well with each other. What do you feel is happening right now in this country?
I think on one hand, I am I'm grateful to see that there is a giant backlash against the mob outside of locks house. On the other hand, the mob outside of lots house has also completed Antonio Gramsci has long march to the institutions. I mean, right now, we are all clinging to a social media app owned by a transhumanist as our last bastion of free speech on planet Earth, that ain't a great place to be Josh. Okay. But that is where we are. They have completed the long march through the institutions. And so the backlash is here, but it's also come about 10 years too late. Now, you can't do anything about that. But but there is still some leverage, as we were just talking about with corporate America that we can exercise. But ultimately, we have passed so many red lines as a culture, Josh, we're in revival or bust territory, we will either see a repeat of the Great Awakenings that gave birth to America and centuries past or we will see America eventually go the way of its secular pagan, socialist democratic heritage that that's become of Western Europe now. Yeah,
I think we're neighbors seen that split happening right now in real time. And, Steve, real pleasure to have with you on thank you so much.
