Yeah, and there's, there always seems to be this kind of check, almost, of let's let's check where we're at, let's check what this looks like, let's check in and make sure that this is safe. And And for you, in that experience, it wasn't. And so you really created, I love the way that you created spaces that were safe, that you could do that, because that recognition of that importance. And I think a lot of my my experiences and that are fairly similar and yet also different. Having gone through my master's program, identifying still as a woman identifying as a gay woman at that time. And really, also very masculine presenting. So within this, this culture in this world, and, and the time period of you know, the early 2000 10s of there, there really was no doubt to anyone's mind that I was a woman who was attracted to women, right, I very much fit that stereotype and took that on for a lot of different reasons. And then after coming out, you know, really recognizing myself for who I am, and coming out as trans and then starting to medically transition and pass as male. Gaining access to essentially straight passing white male privilege was a huge shift and left me a lot of leeway to decide, do I disclose this or not, as a student, especially as a doctoral student, as a doctoral student, teaching undergrad counseling classes, or counseling students, or navigating my own identity of what it means to be male. And I think for me, what that also meant was initially, early in my transition, my goal was to pass my goal was to be male in all the ways that I can make that mean, because there was safety in that. And now that I'm a little bit older, and I've had some more time with this identity and my own activism process, and my own just gender process, kind of moving away from some of that embracing my identity, and the things that it has shown me in the ways that I can exist in the world. And I also remember, there were a couple of times that I used my identity as a tool to try to change people's minds, right? That especially teaching undergrads back in Texas, there was a class I remember teaching, it was an undergraduate, social and cultural diversity class. And we spent the entire semester talking about marginalized identities. And there was a spectrum of students from very liberal, very open minded, with diverse identities to students who this was really their first exposure to any type of diversity outside of their hometowns. And having that experience of been going into, okay, this is the week we talked about gender and sexuality, and then towards the end of class saying, so there's a, there's kind of a myth that a lot of people have that they hold on to, or a belief that you've never met a trans person and trans people or so. And so and this was also at around the time of one of the first bathroom bills to come up in Texas and that sort of thing. And I said, Well, I want to share with you all that you have met a trans person, it's me. And being able to take that and kind of use it in that moment as a blend of humor and getting some feedback that that really made a difference for people. And in that moment, that worked for me. And then as I got older, and especially got into, like counselor education. I was like, I can't I don't want to separate myself that much. You know, it was very clear when I was interviewing for my position. When I was interviewing for any positions, really, I was very clear about my research centers, trans lives, my advocacy centers, trans lives, and how I can use my identity to disrupt those norms. But I couldn't do it in a way that was a I'm subversive in that same way as I had used it, initially. And that really, I think, you and I, having a lot of these conversations, put us into this work, and looking at all of the things that go into these decision making processes, talking about your process, talking about my process. And I want to kind of shift this back to ask you what doing this work of talking about self disclosure, talking about your self disclosure, and then also interviews with other queer and trans counselor, supervisors and Counselor Educators, what has been your experience through this process?