it also has a long history to it, as I think I think I mentioned earlier in the conversation, you know, Peter Gluck did build some houses early in his career, when he was still in architecture school. I think one house was for his parents, but I think there were some other of those houses that were done more speculatively. He also did a speculative condominium at a scary in Vermont, um, early on in his career and and in fact, it was for its time. It was really kind of groundbreaking. It wasn't just a speculative development. It was also he was, they were pre fabricating components. They were they had walls built as panels and craned onto the job site. So it was erected very quickly. So it was a very, very early kind of flat pack modular project. And there's sort of amazing drawings that Peter did for that, where they sort of, and again, this kind of attitude of doing everything. We didn't just design it. Peter didn't just design it, but he was also creating these sort of flat pack drawings that was drawing each wall component and labeling it with an A one and an A two. And all that document documentation was done by hand at the time, and it's kind of amazing to see. But anyway, so there's that sort of early history. And then when I came on and started to work with Peter, I had been living, I have sort of a different life, in a way, outside of architecture. I didn't, I didn't, I'm not one of the people who knew early on I wanted to be in our wanted to be an architect. I was, came out from some different angles, but I had been living out west in Colorado and New Mexico, and had interned with Peter, so I knew him and and I had been living in Aspen, Colorado. I have family out there, and I have had, again, kind of a ski racing and skiing coaching kind of career, and I'd been out there and, and Peter and I had been talking and, and he was was very slow at the time, and we started talking about Aspen and housing needs that were in Aspen, and how crazy it was because you had this incredibly Fancy community that's at the end out of, you know, Colorado, but it's at the end of a long valley, and it's like a dead end. And so the workforce really can't afford to live in Aspen. They work all along this valley, this 40 mile valley that leads up to Aspen. And so their community, they commute every day. There's traffic problems they had, they had Aspen, in a way, has all the problems of a big city, but it's a very small town, right? So, and they had been making efforts the town. And actually, if you look back back at it, historically, they made incredible efforts to solve their affordable housing problem. But at the time this is now, this is the 90s, mid 90s, they hadn't really fully solve their problem yet, and they were looking for solutions. And Peter and I started talking about how great it would be to to figure out a way to do affordable housing there, and and, but we didn't really know the landscape well enough, and so we thought, You know what? There's, there seems to be opportunity here to do some spec homes, some fancier spec homes. There's, there's, there's really no modernist housing in Aspen. There's early modernist housing from the 40s and 50s and 60s, that was even 70s, that was really beautiful, beautiful stuff. I don't black people, don't know, but that, you know, the whole kind of Chicago school that came to Aspen with the Aspen Institute, and that Herbert buyer was doing buildings. Marshall Brewer Saarinen did buildings. Early on, all that history was lost. And in the 80s and 90s, people were just building rocks and logs, traditional mountain style stuff. And Peter and I, you know, looked at that or just thought, you know what there is, there is a real opening here to do single family homes that are modern, that have open space and big views, and that we would have no competition if we did it, because there's no one else doing it. And so we found a bro, a real estate broker, who kind of believed in our vision, this vision of because if you talk to the typical real estate broker in Aspen, they would have, at the time, they would tell us, you gotta build, you know, it's gotta have, you know, big boulders, and it's gotta have timber, you know, trusses and all this kind of stuff. And so we found one broker who had a different point of view, and and we decided to, we decided to basically build a spec home. And the whole idea was to kind of learn about Aspen, learn about the real estate market, learn about what properties were available, and eventually, and also make some money so that we could translate it into an affordable housing project eventually. So we, we started, we did. We found a piece of land. I was living out there at the time. I found a piece of land in the west end of aspen, which is sort of the, it's sort of the the historic sort of grid of aspen that was built during the mining days. So it has a really nice kind of fabric. We found a suburban lot, a 6000 square foot suburban lot there. And, and purchased a lot and and designed and built and developed this spectrum. And it was, it was very interesting experience. I was, I actually came to New York, worked on the drawings with another one or two people in the office. And then when it was time to build, I moved back to Aspen, and I was, I was the person on site, and was the general contractor. And then I was also, there really is the wow, is the developer. I was working with the broker and really developing, you know, kind of the marketing aspect, etc, for the project as well. And in fact, we did all the marketing materials in house, we have some amazing old marketing materials that we produced with, you know, again, sort of it was sort of on the cusp of the computer age, but we sort of collaged all of this kind of marketing material together. But anyway, so, so I was, I was, I was really there for a period of a couple of years when was doing that. This was 9797 and and we, you know, it's an interesting thing that happened. We were halfway through the project, and we sort of were soft marketing it, and someone came to us and wanted to buy it. And this was before it was completed. And it was an interesting decision to make as a developer. Do we sell now? It was essentially, it would, it meant taking on a client halfway through, because we knew they were going to want to make changes, etc, and and they were sort of getting in midstream. So they, you know, that the offer on the table was one in which we would make money, but it wasn't there was probably the ability to hold out and make more money if we complete the project. And it was a very interesting decision. We decided, ultimately to sell the project midstream, and we felt like it would allow us to make some money and then to move on to the next one. Yeah. And, you know, and in hindsight, I think if we had waited, we would have made more money, but we probably couldn't have moved on to the next one as quickly. So I think, in a way, it was a good decision, but it was a, it was a, it was a typical developer decision where there wasn't necessarily a right answer. It was a, it was a strategic question and a strategic answer, in a way, a tactical answer, I guess. And of course, we did. We then became an architect with a client, and it was a bit of a pain in the ass. I mean, they were, they were fine as clients, but they made lots of changes, and they were all, they were all fine, but in a way, we went from being a developer to not being a developer.