This podcast is brought to you by the profitable blogger society, a mentorship program that gives bloggers direction for increasing their income and growing their brand to thrive together dot blog slash Pb S to learn more and enroll today. Welcome to the Thrive podcast, I'm Brie pare your host and blogging coach here to help you take your brand to the next level. At thrive, we're dedicated to bringing bloggers and influencers, tactics, strategies, and behind the scenes info from the best in the business. We know that you have a big vision for your brand and life. And we're here to support you with blogging and social media tutorials, workshops, a community and of course, this podcast, just head to thrive together dot blog for all the latest tools. If you're ready to grow your brand and looking for education and encouragement, then you've come to the right place. Now let's get ready to thrive. If you've ever felt like you're not quite sure what your niche is, or if somebody were to ask you, well, what do you blog about? It's a little hard for you to answer that question without feeling like you just word vomited a whole bunch of stuff, then this episode is one that you're going to want to tune into. Amy is a blogger over at Amy center.com where she shares oh my gosh, I'm not even gonna get into it. Because I want you just to listen to this episode, she is going to share how she got into her niche. And how she also was able to combine that with something that she was passionate about her love of art that previously people had said, Hmm, you're not very good at this. And you shouldn't do this, which can be very discouraging. Hello, let's want to tell people we're bad at art. Art is so subjective. Anyways, she was able to combine that with her passion. And she talks about how she was blogging about all the different things and was able to finally narrow that down and lock in on what made sense to her. And what her audience really needed from her and how she was listening to her audience. And really, how they helped her with solidifying her niche and her elevator pitch. So great episode, you guys. Be sure to tune in and check out the show notes Dr. Dre though dot blog slash podcast. All right, let's get started. Hi, Amy, thank you so much for being here on the show. I am so excited to have you in to chat with you. So can you first tell us about yourself. Tell us about your blog, and your audience and all the things that you do. I'm
so excited to be here to just inspire other women to grow as a blogger and take their vague random ideas and turn them into something that you can actually make money at. Yeah, so I'm a Christian lifestyle blogger, and I have a unique style of making digital products. I draw everything with illustrations. And what I do is teach women biblical literacy and spiritual growth. And when I first started out it was I really couldn't tell you what I did. But I knew what I did. And so that's kind of what I want to teach you guys is how to figure out exactly what your niche is. And especially if you're scatterbrained like me, because if you can't explain it to other people, they can't explain it to their friends and be little ambassadors for you.
That is so true. Okay, before we dive into that, can you just tell everybody where they can go find and follow you while they're listening? Yeah,
my website is super simple. I'm so glad I did this. It is ami center.com. And that center with an s. So s e n t r,
I want to know, you know, what made you choose the niche that you went into? But then also, why do you think it was kind of hard for you to figure out? This is what I do. And why do you think you're kind of like, oh, maybe I do too many things. Or, you know, what were kind of some of those pain points at the beginning. Yeah. So
basically, I was an education major with an art minor. And I taught second grade. So then when I stayed home with my kids, when I was a stay at home, mom, I'm thinking, Okay, I want to stay home with them. And then when they go back to school, I'm going to need to go back to teaching. I ended up I was in the beginning of you know, trying out the blogging world when that was brand new. So fast forward. A few years into this, I got super, super sick. And long story short, I was ended up being diagnosed with Lyme disease. So I'm like, trying to figure out how to get better to the point that I'm in a wheelchair and I'm taking 80 pills a day and I'm having seizures and tremors and I feel like I'm dying and nobody's helping me. And everybody's telling me that the last doctor you went to was a total idiot. And I know everything. And so it was just like, I'd never been so mentally beat down. As I was, in that time, every step I took to try to get back to my little happy, stay at home mom life, it was like I can't, I'm like, I cannot move forward, I can't figure it out. And so basically, the reason I bring this up is because I found myself in a position where I'd never been before, where I'm over here going, I'm not a happy go lucky person. Right now, I'm not being optimistic. I've just everybody thinks they've got the answer, including family members, and all friends and all these people who want to help and I just invite everyone to shut up, go away, you don't understand this. And to the point where it was like, I don't have a medicine or a doctor or a person that can fix this. And what if I'm like this forever. And so I just got this really dark place. And so I grew up in the church, I'm a Christian. And I had, you know, had faith my whole life, but I've never really had anything really hard happen. And so when this happened, the mental part of it was making me question my faith and question all this, like, is this just like, I've got a, you know, what do I do here? And so I realized, I just hit rock bottom, physically and mentally, and I had to make the choice. No, I'm going to just, I'm going to start a gratitude journal, I'm gonna start reading books, I'm going to start do anything I can learn about how to get out of this funk. And so a lot of what I was reading was, like, just people who dealt with hardship Christian, non Christian. And so I feel like I'd put my life and my dreams and my goals and all these things aside, and I was so like, wrapped up in what other people thought, like, I couldn't do art, because I wasn't good enough. And I couldn't go to work anymore, because I wasn't healthy enough. And I couldn't be a mom, because I had to get a nanny, like, every part of my identity was like, this was not the plan at all. And so in hitting rock bottom, I learned well, a lot of what my identity is what I believe about in my faith, so I had to figure that out. And that was deeply, deeply personal to my journey. And so I started seeing light at the end of the tunnel, even if my circumstances hadn't changed. And so I went back, like, what do I want to do, if I don't, my husband's like, Don't worry about a job, you don't need a job, you just need to get better. And so it was like, when I took the expectation of everybody out of it, and I just did what I wanted to do. I decided I'm gonna start blogging, I'm gonna talk about what I'm going through and try to encourage people, I love encouraging people. And then when I was like, I'm reading my Bible, and I'm learning things I'd never learned before. And I'm sharing those, and then would be like, I love art, this is what I do. This is what I'm working on. This is just like my blog just became an outlet of, and I didn't know what it was, I didn't give it a name. It's like, it was a me senator.com. Because I was like, I don't know what this is. I'm not planning on making money with it. But let's just try it. Basically, my business was, was birthed out of hardship. I built this business from my bed. And I am so thankful that that's not where I am now. But that's what it was birthed out of. And so what I kinda want to transition into is, so how did I figure out that it was a business? And how did I figure out my niche? Because as I was exploring all that, it was like, Hey, let's talk about motherhood. Let's talk about Christianity. Let's talk about art class. Let's talk about this is what I'm decorating for Valentine's Day. Like all is there, everything all of it? Yeah, I just made this recipe. And so I at the time, I didn't even know you could make money blogging. So the more I looked into, like, how do I make this blog cool, I'm looking at a wait, that person made some money like what what is that? How do you do that? And so it turned into me just having this passion and joy for life that I didn't have. I felt like I had a purpose. And so it was basically birthed out of a hobby. That was because I needed you know, self care. I needed mental health help.
Thank you so much for sharing all of that that I have known you know a lot of your story and just being able to share that with everyone is I'm just captivated just listening to you tell all of this and just you know for anybody not watching the video because you guys can watch this video on YouTube. Now she is not in a wheelchair. She was up running around going and grabbing water a second ago lightly she is in such a good place now. It's just so so glad that we're not there anymore. Holy moly, yes. So talk to me about, you know, one, you know, even like the last, let's say a couple of years, because I've been working with you now for like, two and a half, three years, I think you started in PBS, and then moved over into shift. And so I have been able to just see this evolution and see this turn into such an amazing, incredible business for you. So even looking, you know, like, at the last like, three years, what were some things, you know, picking and like solidifying that niche to, you know, figuring out Ooh, how, here's how I'm going to make this an actual business for myself?
Yeah, actually, a lot of it came from other people's feedback. And I kind of went, it's kind of like, when you're like, should I wear this shirt? Or should I wear this shirt? And somebody's like that one? And you're like, Oh, I didn't want that when I'm aware that. Like, yeah, not really sure. Yeah, it's like, you know, when someone else tells you, you're like, now I know. And if somebody picks a shirt that you want to do, like, Yes, I knew it. But it's like, you don't even really know it until it's so clear. And that's what kind of what I did. Because when I started writing, I started with this is my Lyme story. This is Lyme disease. This is what I'm going through. And then I had people filling up my inbox. I have Lyme disease, my son had Lyme disease, my sister had Lyme disease, what did you do? We're terrified. Where's your doctor? What's the name of ABA blah, blah, blah. And I was like, my heart is breaking for you right now. Because I want so badly to say, XYZ. Here's this. And I did not have it. And I realized everybody's coming to me as a Lyme expert. And I was not an expert at all in Lyme disease. And I didn't want to talk about it, honestly, like when people would contact us about so and so has it, I'd be like, I'm not calling them out, I don't want to talk about I can't even fill up my pills without getting upset. Like I can't, I don't want to talk about this. And so my husband would tell people, This is how we're using it. And it was just like, This is not I wanted this to be an outlet for venting about Lyme, not a help line for long. So it was like, Okay, I need to pivot then if I don't want people asking me and talking about Lyme, I need to stop talking about Lyme. And so that was kind of like a Oh, I didn't even realize I was like, of course they're gonna want to talk to me about something I'm already talking about. So it was like, Okay, what part of this is a personal you need to just get this out on a journal? And what is this needs to be a blog post, and I had to decide that, that
right there hold on like that, right? There is such a huge thing that I want to like call out. Because so often, I think a lot of these, you know, lifestyle blogs is born out of like, oh, well, I like this. And I like this, and I want to talk about this. And I want to talk about this. And it can be very stifling, I think to people to be like, whenever they hear me talk about No, you should niche down, you're going to be able to grow easier. And I think you know, it's looking at it, like I'm not telling you that you can never talk about this, or you can never like, like what you were just saying like, I needed to journal about that. Or I needed to find another way to like, let out that frustration or if somebody else is like I need that they need another way to let out that creative outlet. It's not that by you saying no, I am not going to make my brand about this is not you saying no, this is not a part of my life. But when we're being strategic with our business, you made a very strategic decision on this is what I am going to build my pillars out of, because I know this is what's gonna help me grow. And this is what I want to build the business foundation on. So I just want to like call that out. Because I feel like a lot of people like niching down can be very challenging.
Yes. And I think we all have something hard and not that I don't talk about live if you get my Hey, meet me about me page, like my email my welcome sequence. It's like my second or third email is my Lyme story. So it's not that I don't talk about it. But I have changed the way I talk about it. Because fast forward, I'm a Christian lifestyle blogger. So everything I write about points to encouraging people to seek out Jesus. And so my life story is now like a testimony of why I how I learned the importance of spiritual growth and what I do about that and how I can help you with that and how I can help you understand your Bible. And so my life story pivoted into not let me help you with your life. It's let me point You did Jesus. And so that was my niche. And so I also to kind of get out of the I'm not the Lyme expert, I ended up when I decided, like, I don't want to be like, what Lyme? What are you talking about, you know, you don't want to just totally drop it like that. Because people have anxiety and they have depression, or they have Bipolar, or they have whatever and you want to relate to people. That's how people, you know, are drawn to you, because they're like, I totally relate to that. So you don't want to lose that factor. Because a lot of us are here to encourage and help people. And that's, you know, part of it is our story. So what I ended up doing was made a blog post that kind of detailed, this is what I went through. And this is how I can help you. And it's not medicine or doctors, it's encouragement community, I'd love to be in your inbox to just help you through your hardship by pointing you to Jesus, so it's it. But if I've got those people that are talking about Lyme and stuff, it's like, here's a blog post for that. I hope it helps you. So it's, it's like I've put it in that compartment. It has its place, but it's very strategic now. And then the other things I did was to figure out my niche was basically my audience resonated with one little thing I did on a Bible study one time, I was like, Oh, I've been reading the Bible ever since I was a kid and didn't understand how all these stories stuck together, like what is shown to have to do with Jesus. What does Exodus have to do with Nehemiah? Like, in short, basically, this blog post was I figured out the Bible isn't put together in chronological order, like it's by genre. Here's the chronological order if you want to figure out the story, and I had like a cheat sheet, Old Testament, here's the way you read the books of the Bible in order chronologically, and I was like, 20 views a day, like, so excited. And when I got this little thing, and I love Pinterest, so I thought, Oh, just put on Pinterest. And then it was like 2000 views a month instead of 20 views a month. And yeah, one a day was a month. It was like 20 views a month. 2000 views a month, I was like what was happening? And everybody was like, Can I get that sheet? Can I get that sheet? Can I get that sheet? And I was like, okay, like, cool. And so that was it wasn't like I was like, I'm here to teach you the Bible. It was I'm talking about lime. I'm talking about Valentine's Day, I'm talking about art. I'm talking about Bible. And everybody was just like, but what about that Bible thing? What about the Bible thing? It was almost like, I don't know, I fought it, I really did fight it, because I wanted people to understand. I'm not the person up here. Like, hardcore, this is my political view. And this is the pressing issue. And this is, you know, I was like, my vibe is fun, really laid back. I mean, we're going to be artsy, we're gonna have we're gonna learn things. And, you know, you don't even have to put your makeup on, or pants on. For that reason. It was like, I, it was so hard for me to figure out where I fit in. And so everybody just kept pushing that I was so passionate about it, because that's where I encouraged people. It's not in, you can be a better artist, or you can be a better decorator. I'm like, I see you in your crap. And I've been there and you can get through it. You're not alone. That was my passion. But I really, really think that just getting other people to look at your stuff. Tell me what you see. I literally thought I had my brand so nailed down the other day, and I really do, I'm really succeeding at what's happening, and I'm loving it. But I went in chat, GBT and said tell me my content pillars, Amy sen.com. And it was like, give me 12 content pillars from babycenter.com. And like, three of them were like, onpoint and the other three were like, what's alright about? I do, I've heard about that. And then I'm like, Oh, maybe I do focus on that. And then I did like, give me 12 content pillars of daily grace.com or other, you know, Christian websites out there. And I was like, yeah, that is on point exactly what they write about. And so I'm, I am not changing my niche. But I'm constantly pinpointing it, because I learned I had so many people that were like, I'm loving what you're doing with the the day me center, intentional living vibe, like what is it? Like they would try to tell me a compliment? Of I like your stuff, but what is it uh, like, what's, what is it? And so it's like, if they can't explain it to say they like it to me, then they aren't going to be able to explain it to other people to be like, This is why you should follow this girl or whatever, because that's free advertisement and that's the best kind of advert tising you're gonna get as people who love your brands, and so it's constant reevaluating how to clarify my message for people.
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my audience gave me the idea for how I make 90% of my income. Now. It was that printable was really cool. What if you did every book of the Bible, like they asked me to do Genesis, and it was like halls, like 50 chapters, and it's really in depth and detailed out. I didn't go like I grew up, Christian, I went to a Christian college, but I wasn't a Christian. You know, I didn't go to seminary, I didn't become a preacher. So it's like, I don't I don't have authority to do this. And so I think a lot of us feel that to no matter what your niche is, like,
I agree, you said that earlier. And I was like, Oh, I hope we can circle back to that. Because you talked about like, oh, I want to talk about this on the blog. But what if I get something wrong? How did you kind of work through that mindset of, you know, with feeling like everything has I have to be right, with what I'm doing, especially with what you know, you have a very specific thing of like, oh, there is like actual facts behind this. Whereas other ones if it's like a mob mom, blogger or even a food blogger or home decor, like little this is how I do it, it may not be like, if you went to a you know, professional, they would do it differently. So how did you kind of work through that,
that's still ongoing, in that something you kind of have to, especially in religion, you're gonna have to kind of figure out what your stance is. One of my things for like niching down is once I figured out what my niche is going to be, you kind of need to figure out your tone. Like I said, I'm not like a very serious Christian blogger. I'm not like, we're not like we're gonna be laughing the whole time with whatever we're doing. We're going to be creative and fun. We're also not going to get controversial, that doesn't mean that I'll have opinions, but this is not the platform for it. So I had to kind of pivot that too. So I would have so many people approached me like Do you have the Catholic books? Which version of the Bible are you using? Where did you get your information information? I need to know your background thing. What's your denomination what I have people ask me all that stuff all the time. But if I don't define what my denomination is, I use all the translations. I have posts about different translations and how you can use them together and all these different things. But when people fly, I flat out will say, I don't answer those questions, because what I'm teaching you is to find your answers for yourself. So that's basically my platform is I'm teaching people how to, to figure out the format of the Bible, and the basic layout of how all the pieces fit together so that when they get these controversial topics are when they figure out like, why is ESV bad, but KJV is not an all these, like, random, stupid topics that we can just fight to death about. And I'm like, you know, to me, the only thing I'm not budging on is the Jesus thing. So I'm not going to talk to you about denominations and all that other stuff. So I'm not necessary. I'm, I'm not telling people. This is the answer. I'm telling people, this is how you find the answer. And so that's helped me out too, because if I had started out being like, this is exactly the answer, then, if you don't agree with that, everybody's wrong. Like, if people will make comments in my Facebook group and stuff like that, and I will, you know, I'm like, if you're gonna start that, then you can leave the group, we're here to encourage and learn from each other. I'm not promising I know, everything. Thank you for letting me know that this was probably incorrect. But we're not talking to each other like that. And then most of the time, people are like, oh, sorry, I didn't mean to, I love your style, or whatever. And so that's cool. Because it is like, I'm throw mama bear down here for a minute. Like, you have full rein of what you want your brand to be what you want your tone to be, I'm very much like we're all going to play nice. Or you can leave the table, you set your own rules for it, what you're going to allow in and how you're going to respond to people. And in dealing with that, that helps with impostor syndrome, because you're like, No, if this is not what you want, then this is not for you. This is not your place. But you know, you're gonna get a lot of people's opinions, you've got to really figure out where's your What are your rules, there's people that will complain no matter what you do. And you've got to, and when it's a niche like mine, which is deeply personal. It's hard not to take that personal. But I've learned that if I want to grow, and I want to enjoy my job, I've got to niche down into as far down as we're friendly. We're, we're fun, we're supportive. We're encouraging. We listen. And so
you're writing down those core values. Yes. And
that comes from, you know, serving my audience, Facebook group, you know, what kind of stuff are you interested in? What's your vibe, what do you do for fun learning about these people, and then sometimes declining, the people that you know, are not going to be the people that you need in that space, because you're trying to attract more of niching down the brand of the community that you want? Because I mean, we're doing this because we're passionate about it. So you don't have to follow everybody's rules, you make your own rules. So
I'd love to know, you know, what are you looking forward to in this year? You know, what's next? What's working for you now? And what is, you know, what are you excited about for 2024 with your brand? Okay,
so this is my January was the five year anniversary of my business. I literally finished the entire Bible two years ago, I outline the entire Bible in it's like 100 pages of these little cheat sheets. And that was where my business took off. So I had this big product I could sell. And I was exhausted when it was done. I was so excited as done. I love it. I'm still talking about it non stop. It's still still selling. And so I have just been last year was like, What do I make next? Like what's going to top this? And then it was my business was growing and was like, Well, do I need to pay taxes now? Or do I need to have a better looking website and do I need to you know, all the business things I want to grow. So I was like, I'm not there yet. But I'm making the plan for where I want to be. So last year, I literally took a break. And I made nothing. I made no new products. And it was really really hard because all I wanted to do was make new products and I spent all last year working on business stuff. So I got it New Website, I figured out how to market my product I, you know, got all the legal stuff, LLC all those things. And I, oh my goodness this year hit 2024. And it was like, I hated that I had to pause the creative stuff, which wasn't 100% Pause, but I had to focus so hard on, I want, I really want the six seeds, I want to do this right. And so I focused business wise so much last year. And I'm like, so excited, because this year is like, new product, new product, new product, new product, new product, which is what I love to do. So all I'm doing is designing and creating. And I've taken like all the stock photos off of every blog post, every and I'm drawing every single photo, it's just been so incredible just to be like I was so intentional last year about setting up all these building blocks so that I could hit the ground running this year, and all the systems are in place was totally worth it. But it's hard to pause, but I am rocking and rolling. And I'm loving it because I'm not figuring out my niche anymore. I'm just I'm enjoying the fruits of my labor.
How are you looking this year for you know, balancing? Because it's not that you are like, Okay, I'm not doing any business work, right? There's always your business CEO hat that has to be put on. And that can be a very difficult balance there of like CEO computer work versus like, I need to go and be creative and create the blog post create the content, how are you planning to balance those this
year? Well, and I haven't even talked about this, and I've talked your ear off. But basically, when I figured out I need a you know, in this interview, I need somebody to keep me focused, keep me on task. And I had been listening since I found out you can make money blogging, I've found your podcast. So for years, I've been listening to your podcasts, and I'm still listening to your podcasts and learning and I'm realizing all this stuff works. And then you came up with PBS. And I think I was in PBS for like a month. And you were like, I've got the new program. Are you interested in shift? And I was like, Oh, yes.
I was gonna say you were in it for very long. I don't feel like no,
it was like two, three months before you started shift. And I was like, I want that. And what it was, was, I was going to have to make an investment. And basically, I wasn't making much money, and I was gonna have to turn it over to you. And I was scared because I was like, I'm gonna have to take this little hobby that's breaking even. And I want to turn it into a business. And where do I put that money and where it's worth it. And honestly, I'd followed all these different people and yours. I'm not even joking. But your stuff is the only one that I was like it's moving the needle. And so I'm signing up for this. And I was like, you weren't even selling me on it. I was over here like, but if I give you the money, it'll probably pay itself back. And then I might make even more and you're like, do you want to be in the group or not? And I'm over here like, Dude, it pays for itself. It pays for itself. Like times for Good grief, I went from starting with you to breaking even. And I was proud of breaking even to fully I just passed my teaching salary. Like may because because what you did for me was said, This is what I see. I see two shirts, which one do you want, you know? And then it was like, This is what people notice when they see you. It's your art. And it was like, I'm literally drawing stick figures on stuff. And people are like, your stuff is incredible. Because it's like I just owned it. And I'm like, okay, because people are like, well, I can do this if you could do this, because it was just like, your opinion, helped me so much. You're like, here's the roadmap, how do you want to make money? I'm like, I don't know, people say I can make printables How do you like what do I charge? What do I do? How do I sell them? And so honestly, there's lots of bloggers that make ads. I don't do ads. I barely touch affiliates. 90% of my paycheck is printables. And so what you did was you are this specific niche for this specific problem you're solving for people. This is how you're gonna this is your roadmap to make this into a business. And for me, I'm trying to figure out like, I guess I just talked about the Bible, but I promote other people's stuff to make affiliate. No, that's not what you do. And so it was like it took all of the guesswork out. And I had somebody in my corner being like, I will show you how to get there. or if you take my advice and you stop, you know, trying to do everything. And it has been, I mean, I'm coming on three years with you. And I'm still like, Okay, I've hit one of my major goals. But I know there's more to go. And honestly, I don't really know what my next roadmap thing is. And so that's why I'm excited for I know, there's more, but what is it braid, and I know you're gonna die, and I know we're gonna have a plan, and no, we're gonna get there. And it's just been the best. It's been a huge, huge encouragement and blessing to my business and my family. And it's just been, it's been the best thing I did for my business.
I'm so I'm just so glad, like I haven't written down, like on my board that I want to help women quit their jobs or like make you know, that salary that they were making, if they're not doing it anymore. And hearing that you hit that is just so freakin amazing. I'm so proud of you. And I love you know that you brought that up too, because I think, you know what I hope that people know. And I talked about, I know, I talked about it on the podcast and stuff, too, is like, I'm not a coach. And we're not going to create programs that put people into a box of like, okay, cool. Well, here's my exact method. And you have to make money by doing X, Y, and Z. And I think a lot of people do that. And that just doesn't work. And so I mean, inside shift, you know, we have people that are, you know, making 90% of their income from affiliate links. And then we have people like you that are making 90% of your income from your digital products. We have girls that are doing brand deals more than anything. So there is that variety, because everybody's business is different. We're all in this blogging world. But all looks different for everyone. And I'm just so glad that you through this entire podcast, like the theme has been like, you were able to figure out, this is what works for me. And this is how I can keep going back to my audience and checking in with them and keep growing in that way.
Yes, absolutely. I love it. I can't
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