Eric Wright w/Emily Jillette - Discoposse Transcript
3:43PM Oct 12, 2021
Hey everyone, this is Eric Wright, the host of the DiscoPosse podcast. Thank you for listening, I've got a really fun and deep show that will really help you think about the impact you can have on the world. And it's kind of cool when you get a chance to be able to do that with somebody who is delivering on that idea. This is a podcast featuring Emily Jillette. She's a mother, a wife, a marathon runner, and a puzzle aficionado. But on top of that, she's an amazing human, a philanthropist, and somebody who you're really going to enjoy listening to in the commitment she has to the causes that she supports. And on top of that, she's a producer, she's doing a lot, there's a lot going on, and somehow she fits in and we learn exactly come with techniques that she puts in place in order to do that. So thank you. Before I jump in, of course, I'm going to make sure to give a shout out to the folks that make this podcast possible. And that is our two very cool friends we're gonna mention today number one, of course, is veem. Our friends at veem make sure that you have everything you need for your data protection needs. And if you want to check out all of the goodness, to back it up, save it, protect it, recover it, don't just back it up, you got to recover that thing. Okay, go to ve.com forward slash disco posse. And you can find out everything you need for on premises in the cloud, cloud native SAS, it's right back that SAS up office 365 teams all sorts of good stuff. But do go check it out because they've got a really really great stuff and they've got an amazing campaign that they run right now so you can find it how to become an AWS superhero. Go to V dot m for slash disco posse and you can check it all out. And the second shout out I got to give is to diabolical coffee because if you're going to get a great cup of coffee in the morning that is devilishly good. The only place you can go is devilishly good, diabolical coffee calm. And on top of that, we've got a really amazing thing that's going on with a limited edition t shirt called Devil's breath by independent artists Xen Rashidi, so you can go check it out, it's in the limited edition merge, go check it out, best coffee around, best merge around. And lots more stuff that's coming up. In fact, a brand new sponsors about to drop, just putting the last couple of inks on to the contract. So make sure you check it out. Keep in touch. And with that, let's jump in. It's time for the show is Emily Gillette.
Time is it. It's time for me to open with a number from Hamilton.
Hey, everybody, this is Emily Jillette. I am coming to you from Las Vegas where I am a philanthropist, a mom and a seven handicap. But I dressed like a scratch player. And you're listening to the disco posse podcast.
All right, so I love professional broadcasters and creators is that you know how to do this stuff on a dime, and producer and mom and golfer and everything and philanthropists. And we should let thank you very much for joining today. This is going to be one of the most fun ones I've had in a while because number one, I'm super interested in the stuff you're doing. And I've got a as they would says the young folks would say mad respect for what you do in the world. And also, it's just gonna be fun because you're such a fantastic conversationalist. So we're in for a good time, we're in for a good time. So thank you for joining. If anybody for whatever reason is new to you, if you want to do a quick intro and tell us about yourself and then we'll get into what I describe is interestingly quiet philanthropy and we've I know we've talked about the fact that quiet maybe doesn't belong in the way you do it, but I'll explain a little context when we get to that.
Okay, um, well, I did mention my passion for golf, which comes up very early in most conversations. Only only outshining the fact that I ran the New York City Marathon twice, but other than that, I am a mom and a wife and I'll just say it right out. My husband's name is Penn jillette and he is the louder taller half of Penn and Teller, the long standing magic duo longest running show in Vegas. Anyway, so I have two kids teenagers who have survived the pandemic. And I'm born and raised in Las Vegas where I moved 18 years ago, I have my husband, I met my husband on a job I used to produce golf commercials. And Vegas is the greatest place to shoot both commercials because clients love to come here. And we never have rain days, which are so expensive in production. Like, never rains here. And so yeah, I met him here, I can tell you later or now if you care how, and and we got married and had kids within like two or three years, and I've been here for 18 years. And I love Vegas, I think I would love Vegas. Even if I weren't married and had kids here but because I love shows and community and restaurants and golf. But I add to it my incredible husband and family and friends and I'm where I'm supposed to be.
It's it's a perfect place when it's funny because you also spend a lot of time in another place well known for food and theater. Of course you you do spend time in New York as well. But attitudinally different than Las Vegas as far as you know, just the way that people walk on the sidewalk. Well, the fact that when one side they're usually carrying four foot tall glasses with giant straws made of countries in them. And on the other side, they're probably shoving you out of the way because they're trying to get to work faster for whatever reason.
But the the interesting thing when I look and for people that try and look up and this is funny as a as a researcher, right and like let me find out make sure I know all I can about Emily, before we get in, you also go by your Emily Zoltan on your production credits, which is always interesting, because then I've got to do a double search, you're surprisingly light on outside information. You know, especially given that you have a fairly public life, you are very good about keeping this beautiful balance of like showing the stuff that you want to and not getting dragged, you know into other areas, which is probably not easy. Given that you've got a fairly public facing life.
Well, I can honestly say that was not a concerted effort. I consider myself rather vocal on social media and a little less so over the past few months as I detox from the Trump hell we lived through. But hey could take it to edit that out?
The I don't normally vote for you I can if we really wow.
Oh no, I'm on loud and proud on that. But I didn't know if you didn't want to alienate your viewers. I don't mind. I mean, I could I could say like three good things about Trump if you want to balance it. Anyway. Um, so uh, as far as my credits though, you know, I'm I'm in a thing called the DGA, the Directors Guild, and most of my credits that are creditable like on IMDB, or before I joined so um I don't I don't know why there are no one that I mean nothing's on my IMDb I don't populate it. But I actually worked on 17 features and tons of TV shows and commercials and whatever as far as other things out there, I'm sure there is it Did you find stuff like participation in charity events?
That's that is one thing and of course this is why I mean and I've I've sort of followed your story via a lot of pen interviews actually on various you know, opening Anthony he was on a lot and howard stern and so I I'm an avid listener to talk radio, even though as a Canadian, I would be like, like basically like underground radio, like listening to these like syndicated replays of all these long form talk shows. Yeah, and I was always interested in you know, when he talked about his philanthropic work, and then that led me to do sort of strange amounts of research about that, and it led me to you and I realized that you have a lot that you're doing and then I also got found out that we have a common friend Missy young, who is such an amazing human I can't talk enough about how great Missy is it's so so cool. And when I talked to Missy I was like, she mentioned that she was on on a board of directors for one of the charities with you and I thought Alright, if I can ask that favor you know, you know, can I can I get Can you phone a friend for me and here we are, which is kind of cool.
I'm honored because I mean, in a in a town full of incredible women. I'm lucky just to know them. I'm really not top of the list, I'm going to pass you on to some good ones after me. But yeah, I mean, the cool thing is, is that I got into philanthropy, which is something you're really interested in talking about, right? I don't want to go off on a tangent.
I know that was the big thing, because it's the, if I'll say, and I talked about this, this idea, this theme of like, quiet philanthropy, and interestingly quiet, and that you're very involved, but you're not like, most, I'll say this. I want to be careful how I say this. I'm not saying most people, but a lot of people who have public faces tend to have way more selfies about their charities than the people that the charities are arguing to. And I don't want to detract from people that are doing work. And that's maybe that's just the way that they know how to bring attention to it. Yeah, when I look at what you do, all I see is the people you affect, not you doing it, you immediately pass through the all the cheers to the people that are doing it. Like when it comes to opportunity village and all these things. It's always like, these are the amazing people, I'm just here beside them. It's It's such a rarity in people that are having an opportunity to really bring themselves as the center. And the first thing you do is you slide out of the camera and say no, no, they're they're the cool people.
Well, I really appreciate that. I I assure you, it hasn't been a concert of a concerted effort. And I actually don't mind being on camera and talking. I'm thrilled to be here. I mean, like, you might be pretending the jokes are funny, and my family doesn't do that. That'd be great. But thank you. That's really nice. I hope it I hope it stays that way. Um, but so I originally got into philanthropy more than just the casual donation along my lifeline because of Penn. And that's because twofold when I moved here and became his wife, it took a couple years to I mean, I'm a very confident, strong minded person, but it took a couple years to adjust to being Mrs. July, you know, yeah, you know, because very much up figuratively and literally, literally in the shadows of such a large personality. And after a couple years of, you know, that and a little bit of a princess life, I sort of stopped working for a minute and just enjoyed our newfound love and marriage. I was like, Alright, I gotta get back to something. But I'm probably not going back to full on six day a week production. So...Barbara lasky. And Robin Greenspun who are the most incredible women of Las Vegas, I mean, there's a list of them, but those two almost make me tear up. They're so amazing. But they invited me to an event at Robins house for opportunity village, where I was blown away. I think, there I think, I wasn't even aware that there were these underground communities that just power force powerhouse, twin is it powerhouse, and help all these charities that it can't be done without it. And it's kind of odd that I didn't know about it, because I've been a libertarian for long before that actual meeting. And espouse this idea that private citizens would replace things and help those who are now being helped so much by government programs. And I just didn't realize it, but it might have been an indication of where I was living, which was Central Florida, and I was a civilian for lack of a better word. I'm a civilian now but you know what I mean for Houston and so I was enthralled and I just went out at full speed. And then pin who is in his heart the most generous person on the planet isn't actually very social. And that's because he gets a lot of a lot of attention and if he opens his heart and his energy all day to everybody, there'll be nothing left for him or his family or even his work. So he's a little guarded with all that so I'm I was able to work so well with him for lack of a better term capitalize on his presence, and sort of be the tap dancer next to him you know, so we'll go to something and and and somebody could talk to us for like 15 minutes and the lukwago Oh my God, I just talked to him for 15 minutes. It's so amazing. But if you watch if you tivoed the scene you would see that I talked for 14 out of them. So it was a really, really good teamwork. And then once I got into it, it just You know charity begets charity and people start calling you and say hey do you want to do this do you want to this and I used to say yes to everything almost everything everything that aligned with my my objectives and morals but now we're limited to about four main charities a year with the occasional donation or appearance at something else but because each of the charities has an event, the events take up a lot of time and and and preparation and so I just stick to for which I can name or not name at any point that you like.
Well tell you what I'd love to air any any advertisement I can, you know, and bring attention to what you're working on. So definitely I'd love to hear you know, who who are your your four that you're really active with right now?
Well, let's sprinkle it throughout our time. So it does right commercial, right. So the first and foremost is Tyler Robinson Foundation, and hashtag slay camps with Dragons.
I love that shirt that is the best so for people that is funny, because this goes into format we've got the audio that goes out for people get the video so I get a definitely snapshot that because it was a fantastic shirt. And I see this as the guy is wearing a fantastic shirt because I I got my own shirt.
I love it slay cancer with Dragons. That's perfect.
That there's a reason for that. And this is the Imagine Dragons charity. And they are a biggest bass band but world famous worldwide. Now if you don't know the Imagine Dragons, you know where you've been. And so briefly, they were doing the concert, as the Imagine Dragons and they got a like a Facebook message back early when people used to read their messages. And it was from a brother who was like my brother's dying of cancer, all it does is listen to your music is going to be at the he's going to be at your concert tonight, which was like 200 people in a dive bar, I just want to let you know. And, and Dan Reynolds, the lead singer, you read the message. And during the show, we called them out and they like sang a song together and it became very emotional, like you should look for the video. And it inspired them to start the Tyler Robinson foundation. That was his name Tyler Robinson. And he went into remission. And then he actually eventually passed. And so they started it in his name. And it is become an incredible organization, which helps families with the out of pocket expenses that none of us even realize exist. You know, if I have two children, and one of them is cancer, and I'm so glad that they don't. But I would rather use myself as an example. The amount of money it takes to go to the appointments, go to the specialist get childcare for the other kid, customize the room if they need, you know, disability help, all these things that pop up, those aren't covered by insurance, and they will deplete a family's bank account morale and energy. And Tyler Robinson foundation raises money to offset those costs.
Wow. That's right. Yeah, that's the incredible thing. It's like, it's not even the first order effect of of what's happening. It's that the stuff that's just the family fighting together, right? Like, especially, you know, you've got multiple kids, you've you know, I mean, goodness gracious, especially for the last 18 months where the world is vastly different than we'd ever imagined it could be. And people can barely keep their day jobs up because they have kids at home and all this stuff. So it's a, I've got, I got four kids. So I know the deal on what it takes to do that. And if anything is thrown off for a day, most people are like, I'm out, I can't do this. It's really, really hard to shift the schedule. And if you suddenly had to put attention that's much needed to a child or a, you know, an elderly relative, your wife, your husband, you know, partner, anybody. And you know, you do it, right. And that like we would throw ourselves at it if we could, but then we're stuck making this choice of, do I pay the mortgage, or rent? Or do I spend time with my loved one? Yep. It's a choice we shouldn't have to make.
Yeah. And that's what they do. And I'm, I'm not correcting you, but I will clarify that Tyler Robertson helps families with pediatric patients.
Right, right. very specific. Yeah, yeah.
And they and they really help we have an annual event and we have some of the families come and talk about their experiences and I mean, everybody says this but literally not a dry eye in the house. You just, you're so grateful that you can help them and grateful that you are not experiencing it for them. Slowly I don't know.
That's That's it, you know, it's that that's, I mean even when when I do like nerd tech presentations The first thing I do is like infuse a real story. And it's like the best thing in the world when someone like you see them they're like Chris air Konya here you know, like, like yes like this is stuff that actually matters you know like, oh by the way we do this other thing and it's neat and whatever but like Why the hell are we doing all this stuff? We do you know, oh yeah, cuz you know, humans matter and let's let's do some amazing stuff together. Right?
So and I will add, because this isn't this is like, I don't know I always feel this and people don't talk about it that much. But I think they talk about it. I'm gonna try to be special. I'm, I try to help as much as I can. I'm kind of talking about I made me cry. I'm just because I hope someday someone helps me that way. If I right. Yeah.
No, I mean, that's, that's really the the thing of it. And it's unfortunately rare, right? It's hard to, it's hard for people to see that chance to be able to go outside. I mean, my, one of the most amazing stories is for folks that as a marathoner, you may know it from the triathlon world dick and Ricky Hoyt, who are a famous father son duo and they've they've run Iron Man's and the stories that Detroit was you know, they had their son had a challenging birth cord got wrapped around the neck ended up with cerebral palsy and they said you know, what do you do you know like that so they go to the doctor and this is you know, years ago and they said, Well, your best bet is to put him in continuous care and then hope that he can have you know, a somewhat decent life there and he says, he's like no, no, no, it's not what we're gonna do it's not how we do things right so he was a military man he says we'll work our life around this and they did these things and and he said like the the first words that he spoke because he he they got this the computer that they could actually like, use the you know, letters on the computer and you know, one of the first things he's going to spell out on this computer and they put all this everything they could into this and this is gonna be Dad, it's gonna be mom, whatever. And it was go Bruins. And he was a Boston guy. He's this classic like, Boston guy, I'll tell you about my son, Ricky. And, and it was amazing. He says that he he went, and he took them in a, like, he would run with them. And he's like, so you take him for a walk and take him for a run? And he says, you know, what do you do you like that? And he says, Dad, when I run with you, it feels like I'm running. And so he became he started running like five K's and 10 K's and marathons. And next thing you know, they're doing Ironman triathlons together, and he had an adapted bike, and he would pull them on a raft for the swim. And it's just, it's incredible. And I tell people like if you watch this video of him like introducing this story, you aren't crying at the end you don't have a soul. But it's like as a parent, you know, you're like, I'd throw anything away for your kids and, and then to do it for your peer group. Like for somebody who you're not even directly connected, like it's, it's incredible. So yeah, that's the stuff that I really get. I love it right?
Yes, you have set up a perfect segue so I will just tell you the another foundation that I like to work for it and that Ken and I have done a lot with is called opportunity village and has a similar provenance if you will of its creation which was Linda Smith had a severely handicapped son and I believe that would Canadian Forgive me or anybody else if I get his details wrong, but um I believe words like throwaway child were used and they just wanted to you know put them in a in an institution and walk away like they didn't even talk about an integrated life with that that level of care but anyway Linda was like nope not gonna happen. His name's Christopher and he did recently passed away but after like 35 years, and so she I don't think she actually started opportunity village I think she found them and created the the incredible foundation that it is today. Although she's also moved on I just want to make sure I don't say something and people go that's not right Emily. But opportunity village is akin to the Hello, go Bruins statement which is to say, it takes handy it takes intellectually and physically disabled people and teaches them, whatever their level of capability is, what I call life or vocational skills. So from the simplest like, here's how you pour a glass of water if you have that capability to, here's how you take a bus. Here's how you go to the bathroom. Here's how you go grocery shopping. And here's how you get a job. And it is a it's a paradoxical goal, which is to teach them independence that's integrated into the real world. And it's fabulous, everybody, there's called Oh, VIP, and everybody has a job and everybody has a paycheck. So everybody feels self worth and value. And the amazing thing is that they have been so embraced by the biggest hospitality community. So tasks as simple as they have, like assembly line at their, at their two facilities, where they might just be putting like, a plastic silverware napkins into one of those roll things, or collating on papers for a conference. Or they found it was an incredible opportunity. They have a huge shredding business, because you know, what's the whatever is shredding business, but also out in the community. They are working in the hotels, working in the restaurants working everywhere, and it's an amazing thing that we love working for template for it on Celebrity Apprentice, and I would like to help balance my other plummet that Trump was 10 years ago, a wonderful host and a fantastic game show host and I support his career in game shows. Anyway.
That was that was one of the my first introductions to opportunity village was through through that show. And, and yeah, that was the whole thing of like, how can we, you know, give people literally an opportunity, right to actually, you know, have something that they they can do and they feel the contribution they get results from and it's not exploitative, or exploitive? exploitative, I don't know. I'm not sure what the word is. I'm not very good. I'm canadia. So it's a weird, weird,
You gotta have a small list of words you read and write, but don't pronounce. And that's what
I find the weirdest word. And this is my nerd bits coming out for a second. I say the word infrastructure about 11 times a day at a minimum, and I write it all the time and I spell it and say it poorly. Every time I for whatever reason, it's my kryptonite of words. It's Yeah, thank goodness for autocorrect but
Um, well, I also want to add because of since I mentioned, Barbara and, and Robin, that there was a guy there named Michael Thomas, who also became a very close friend. And if you happen to be in Texas, he moved and started his own new and improved opportunity village called my possibilities and he's doing is magical. So check it out my possibilities.
Now, this is the the very interesting thing about this, when you put yourself towards this stuff in more than just a donation. It's a real investment in the people behind how do you how do you find the ones that you know that your contribution is going to have a meaningful impact? Because I that's what I find a lot of people don't get involved in in much more than, you know, maybe small charitable giving, because they're unsure that what they're doing actually impact something.
Yeah. Um, I am not sure I have a delineated process. I think that certainly I read about it right away and find out what they do and I might go to a meeting or two. Typically when I'm invited to help a charity or work with a charity, it starts out with an event you know, like, oh, we're putting together a committee for this event, can you be on the committee, and I'll do that and there's a lot of gut feeling that goes into it, you know, and the people who are associated with it for example, Missy young is a gold star. If Missy is on the board, I don't have to do any of the work because she wouldn't be here if it weren't a small aside but I'd like to mention it because of my personal positions which is a generally don't do anything that's religious related. Only because I'm not a I'm not against religion, helping people. But I, I really like to walk the walk that it's people who help people. And I just want to show that that's important to me. There's enough that I can choose from that fit my parameters that I can be extremely philanthropic with and be inclusive So there's that, um, I look for fun. I mean, we could segue right into the Shriners hospitals for children. There you go. I work on a PGA event which is gold and philanthropy together.
It's like the, the absolute culmination of everything you've
created my whole life for that. Inside the ropes bet is the whole thing. I can't even hide how much I appreciate the fun and benefit I get from it. That being said, Shriners hospitals for children has been around most people's whole life. They're amazing. They make, you know, the neuro skeletal diseases and burn victims, children, I believe, mostly, but $0 medically, to the family, and they educate physicians and do research and they are just, I mean, the most in my heart, the most generous organization I work with, I mean, they have nothing on their mind except helping people. I guess the other ones due to that didn't come out, right.
But no, but it's it. If you think of as well, it's it's one of those it's very rare that you find a group that really survived decades of evolution and in the world in themselves. Like when we walk when you drive into town, at least I know, I'm fairly sure us towns in the same way. I'm a fresh new resident to the United States. So I've been driving around a little Canadian towns, you'd come in and there'd be the like, welcome to you know, Bradford. And it would have like the Lions Club and all these different things. And I was thinking, what the heck do those people do? Like the Optimist Club? Like, Oh, that sounds like a happy bunch. You know, I don't know what they actually did. They were in effect a lot of these things. And then the Shriners, we knew them from the little goofy in town parades. They were the big guys driving little tiny cars with a fez hat on. Which I didn't know, they're the only place I've ever understood what a fez hat is. I don't even know why it's called a fez hat. But hey, but that was that was my Shriner experience. And I find out that they're doing this incredible stuff behind the scenes. And now ultimately, is, is has given an incredible amount to so many families across North America.
It's amazing, it truly is. And then, you know, they have like golfers come out at the tournament, who are handicapped, but handi capable, like, it's amazing. Um, so I've been with them for maybe five or six years. And that and to go back to how did I get involved with them? Well, that was a layup for golf. But coincidentally, at my golf club, so it's a perfect fit. And its presence is felt there all year. There's other events all the time, but that's their big golf event. And I don't know, I encourage everybody to come out to the golf tournament we have, we have one of the best spectator viewing tournaments on tour.
dice. Now, the thing comes up is people even just go over what we've just talked about. And they will start to look in their own personal schedule, and not find a lot of time where they feel like they can squeeze it in. So I'm curious, both this, I mean, you've got an incredible, you know, history and what you do with your production work. And like, just keeping those cats herded, is one thing. You've obviously you've got your own family, you've got everything that's going on with you know, except with boys pen and his work. And then this incredible community of, you know, magicians and performers that you're always you know, it's, it's so neat to see how this comes, right? Like, I've got my nerd people and like, we've got our little like, you know, like sort of clique. So like little pods of people that you're like, Oh, that's like Scott Lowe and like, they're like famous people Kelsey Hightower, and like people have no idea outside of my circle who these people are, but the same way they'd be like oh my god, like this is I'm going to see Piff the magic dragon and you know, I know these people and so it's kind of it's tough to fit it in. So how do you doing so much? Just keep the wheels on the bus?
Well, I thrive on being busy like relaxing is not a thing that I do and not much anyway, I'm a jigsaw puzzle and you know I do competitive jigsaw puzzling and that's that's my relaxation in my minute.
Okay, okay, I got a second we're gonna pause on that for a second. Okay, so I didn't even know there was a thing called competitive jigsaw puzzling. Tell me about I don't mean to take you off your your thought for us today. But that's like, this is I think we got a new podcast in our hands alone. He
I'm in such a thing I just dropped out actually the World Championships because they're in Spain in September, and I'm just not ready to do all that right now traveling. But and I've never been to the World Championship This is only the second one. But it's it's, it's not a qualifying type sport, if you want to play you can play so that. But I'm just obsessed with puzzles like I have to go in right now. And I'm not speaking in hyperbole when I tell you I'm never not working on a puzzle, there's always a puzzle going. And I've always loved jigsaw puzzles, and it even ramped up to obsession before before pandemic, but pandemic said it like, like a bad habit.
Like being trapped in a store full of cigarettes and deciding that maybe I'll pick up smoking again.
And there was quite the shortage of jigsaw puzzles during Oh, pandemic. I mean,
There was a run on puzzles, apparently, puzzles.
So my favorite puzzles are called liberty and they're there they're laser cut wooden puzzles, very high end and gorgeous and artistic and you know, used to be able to just log on and buy one got up to like a 65 day wait for the right to order one. Wow, I know, a game the system a little when I was ordering, you know, under different emails. But I started a Liberty puzzle group and we would just ship them around to everybody and do them so that we all got you know, we're all buying and sharing and everything. But the the competition stuff is done. At least the ones I met with Robins burgers, which are a high end cardboard pressed jigsaw puzzle, which are super fun, and I love them. And I've done almost every one they've ever made. But once you move on to the wood ones, it they're not as great. So don't touch the wood puzzles till you're ready to only
It will break you from that point forward. You're like, no, it's wood or wood or nothing for me.
But But part of that is just to talk about my business. And like, that's not even my favorite kind of puzzle. My favorite gun puzzle is called a cryptic and it's a sort of wordplay type crossword puzzle. And I probably do those two hours a day. But I do with a partner on the phone, because each puzzle takes so much brainpower to solve so we just work on it together. But that's my favorite thing in the world. It's cryptics but anyway back to the busy you at you know as a former producer, and so everything I do is very scheduled and and thought out ahead because I used to say that if I'm a good producer, I'll do nothing the day the sheet, that means I've foreseen every problem. That's never happened.
But but but that's the goal. So like, when I'm thinking about how things are going, I'm planning it out, and I'm solving problems, setting up alternatives and backups and everything and that keeps you busy. And then whenever there is a problem, I love it, it's a challenge for me to solve. So I guess that's part of how I keep busy.
I'm like, I've got a similar mental style, where like, every time that I I feel I'm constantly overwhelmed with things to do and a backlog of stuff. And then the moment all of a sudden like three meetings cancel and you're like I have this whole afternoon with nothing scheduled The first thing I find is nine hours of work to cram into the three hour block that I had like it's but I the moment that I stop I become free to explore my own thought and like so when I cycle I might I would do you know moderate distance cycling and and and I run because I used to go to I traveled a lot so it's hard to carry a bike everywhere you go. So I started running all over the place. I've every time I go to a show, I do morning run groups every morning so that it also keeps people from going out and drinking until four in the morning because they know they got to get their ass up and go for a run with me in the morning in the Vegas heat which is super fun, right? So I'd be you know, camped out at the Bellagio fountain every morning at 630 you know, waiting in Exynos like 3040 people that are coming up and we would go up the strip, go to the sign come back, like just make it a big thing and it was fun. But the moment that I'm disconnected, forcibly disconnected. It's the most creative time and then I get back and I'm like, gotta write this stuff down. I gotta, like, gotta capture this, but it's hard when you're doing these continuous or frenetic. Always fitting other things in to get that freedom of thought time How do you that's my position I didn't write.
That's my puzzle time. Yeah, the puzzle time is it's meditative. I am paying attention you have to pay attention to the puzzle but there's there is some autopilot to it. Particularly everybody hates turning over and sorting and that's that's my jam. You know, I was the best part.
Yeah, I used to be the guy that would always count the cash every time when we were when I worked at a retail store. I'm like, I got this. It's like certain coins. Hang hold my beer.
No, I know, my mom said that. I joined production because I like spreadsheets lists Sharpies and highlighters. And so I can just make plans and lists and organize. Um, have you ever tried a floatation tank? sensory deprivation?
No, and it's funny I've thought about this just because I think it would be incredible but I'm also like weirdly claustrophobic I did like tough mutters and stuff. And one of the things that drove me nuts by did it scare the hell out of me was going into like an underwater tube, where you have literally like, just your mouth and your like your cheeks are above water. As you're like crawling backwards through like a gutter tube.
And you do that for like 15 feet. And all you have is like four spots where they're basically like blowholes thing. It's horrifying.
Horrifying and a little more out of your control. I think if you got in one of these pods and convinced yourself 11 times that you can open it or you can press the button or the person you trust the Moses sitting outside, you might be able to allay that fear because it's truly amazing. When you take away the sound, the sight, smells, but what I find there is a little bit of a smell, but also the water is like a few degrees cooler than your body so the heat and goof off mitigates it and you stop feeling the difference between your skin in the water? Well, I mean, I can't quote studies on it, but your mind refuses to be so on to be so idle. And there's visual hallucinations if you sort of allow them you could close your eyes but but the creativity is insane. And you might love it. And I started doing it. I don't know if you found in your Google stocking I mean research that I studied dolphin communication in Hawaii and and so floatation tanks were sort of made popular and developed a lot by john Lilly Johnson Lilly who was my idol albeit a bit
Those are the best titles to have. I think the only way I could name is a youth because I grew up in a time where and the only early introduction to these sensory deprivation tanks was like I felt which was a call it was a William Hurt movie. And one that he he was in his alteration I think it altered states i think was.
that is about john Bowlby and his work I mean that
Oh wow. Okay, yeah, yeah, there you go. So that this is the the oddities of connective tissue of the world. This is like Dirk Gently is holistic detective agency plated in real life that everything is the fundamental interconnectedness of all things.
If you've ever watched that British show connections.
No, no, oh no, I've got no I got stuff to watch.
Write this one down. Because this is this show was like 30 years old, and I still watch on YouTube sometimes. And it's like this British guy, and he'll take a sharpie and then he'll take a steam engine and he'll show not only are they connected, but they wouldn't eat one wouldn't exist without the other like they were showing like an integral connection between their development and your mind is blown because it's justified like you you're not just taking his word for it. Fascinating show fascinating.
So that's the stuff that I dig into my biggest thing lately is I really struggle with finding like nutritional content to take in it's so easy to get like pulled into the infinite scroll of of things and I I just feel my brain just going in bad directions because i and i Aaron's why I just I just say like, that's it. I claim to do list bankruptcy, email bankruptcy, I just like shut it, delete it all. And I'm like, I'm gonna do something you know, I find an amazing documentary. And I tell you well, here you go. Another fundamental interconnectedness thing. One of my my favorite ones that I watched not too much, not too long ago. harder to find now for whatever reason I love streaming except that stuff goes away on streaming was gambling valid. Thank you beautifully done and Johnny Thompson is somebody who people really have no idea how much he gave to the world into the magic community and and you add to an incredible a terrible loss of course in 2019 right it's been two years over two years now. But
But let me interject it his incredible partner wife and yes, that is broad wife Pam passed away last week also.
Oh no, oh my goodness. Wow.
That super sad. She's wonderful. She had her friends family and dogs around her and and she did say she was ready to go.
So I told Penn that they're editing the season right now full us and they should just do a single card in the beginning that announces that Tom Sony and company reunion tour. But no, that was fun. And I think it's thanking me because I was a producer on that. But I was really just a facilitator. The The, the idea and the talent and the passion was from my husband and tell her I just helped because of my experience and access.
Well, and that's but that really truly is the story of the importance of what we through philanthropy, through work through what we give to our families, the unseen like what people like basically looking in Johnny's his own public history of what he did for as a performer not realizing how much he did as a creator for other magicians and obviously he was very close to to Penn and Teller and in you know, designing with them and and being a consultant and you being a producer, you know, you're trying to sort of like push away of like, No, no, no is damn you're like, Well, no, this is this is what makes it incredible. Is that the name of the face on the box of the movie, back when there were boxes for movies least is often not the one that really, you know, they're the ones that sell the story, I guess, but the story is created and told, like Tim's Vermeer was another fantastic example that was tellers work and Oh God, I could I could watch that weekly. Yeah, it's such an amazing story.
That's a roller coaster mystery. It's I love that movie so much. Um, I I it's I have like three favorite documentaries in the world. And that's one of them.
All right now I got to hear the other team.
Oh, well, game was valid. But the documentary I love so much that I always tell people to watch. It's super hard to find. You might find a power VHS, but it does happen to be on YouTube. And I just lie to myself and say that the creator said it was okay. So I watched it there. But it's called the other final. And it you've seen it? I have not. So now I thought this is why writing this down here. I'm writing this down. Watch tonight and then text me what you think but in the way that I'm giving was valid is not just about magic and non magicians can enjoy it. And Tim's Vermeer is definitely not just for artists or historians. This movie takes place in the world of soccer, and I soccer so you know it's a guy that decided to create a final on the day of the World Cup for the two lowest ranked teams in FIFA. And so it was a competition between Montserrat and Bhutan at the time. Oh, yeah. And the the hard work and willpower in humanity to bring together a, you know, Hurricane rot island with a mountainside village that doesn't talk to people and get them to play soccer together to find that crossover of humanity. I just loved it so much. I can't stand it.
That is wild. Yeah, those that's what I what I enjoy about these and even like the stories we've talked about, you know, like, when you when you unlock the real like, what's behind all that stuff like it just sort of pulls you in. That's why these things are fantastic to watch and share. You know, in in in Even what we do in, in business, you know, I always say to people like they're like I I'm not in I'm not in sales, I'm like, well, everybody's in sales like we're, we're ultimately all responsible for, for some kind of impact on what we do. And, you know, while I may not be the guy that's, you know, going to go into town and footing the bill and tell him the story and chasing down the CIO is doing whatever the fact that you can be a part of it and help people throughout this whole group. It's that's what I love is the impact of it. And then when you see somebody else tell these stories, in beautiful ways, it's such a, such a magical feeling when, you know, through storytelling, watching somebody else's storytelling, that must be so as an EP, and as a producer, and like, you've got an interesting split of the like, just keeping the wheels on the bus, but also ensuring that the story ultimately is being parlayed and told in the way that's to the core of why the project had started.
Yes, and that would hold more true for an EP who originated the project at to, to realize their vision. But most projects, if not all, that I've been brought on to have been to help others. So I'm really fighting for them to get their vision and not inserting mine. So I don't always agree with everything that's done. But that's, that's not my job. And, and I've been proven nearly unanimously that they were right anyway, so
except for Werner Herzog.
I I just don't get it. I, I love incredible filmmakers. And like he's, he is amazing in his ability to do his thing. Yeah, every time I'm halfway through one of them. I'm just like, I'm not quite sure what I'm what I'm enjoying here. It's an interesting character.
But can I return to two points? Because I wrote it? Yeah. I wouldn't forget to follow up on them. Which is early on in our discussion, you talked about like, people who take selfies and maybe are have other reasons, additional reasons for why they do work. I have absolutely no problem with that. And I encourage everyone to do it. If we all did things the same way we wouldn't get it all done. I am so fine with people who they want to add a gold star to their Facebook page, or they want to be seen with a celebrity or they want a tax deduction. If you are, you know, what was his name? Sheldon Adelson? not a huge fan, but Oh, yeah, yeah. So much money because you want that kind of accolade. Bravo. I'll take your money, I'll take your time, I'll take your notoriety. Um, and I think that if you're going to shame that spectrum, or or, or let's not say shame, but minimize it, or rewrite the narrative, then then then you could do it to the guy who just you know, gives $5 a month out of his paycheck and say, you're not doing enough or whatever, we have to accept all charity for what somebody has to give, because it's not mandatory. It's what we do, because we want to so um, I applaud anybody in any way who gives to any charity.
It is an interesting conundrum right now especially, you know, especially we get saved like so obviously Sheldon Adelson is a polarizing figure as far as you know, some of the you know, some of the history in what he's done in business, but like you said, then he had this sort of philanthropic side of himself. We talked obviously about you know, 45 you know, and we and pre and post right, you know, where, where people fit in. And this is what really I struggle with, of, you know, we have to look for, we can't let the one portion of somebodies existence define the rest of their existence, because we have to be able to either surpass or forgive or you know, and maybe not maybe just say like, okay, you know,
compartmentalised right or just I mean of course there's exceptions exceptions we're not we're not interested in like supporting murderers doing charity you know what have you Yeah, but but everybody's got things that do not appeal to everybody else. And you know, I am I'm very vocal about this canceled culture stuff lately. I'm sensitive. I try to be politically correct, but it's it's to me, we're in this like overreaction period where you can say or do one thing 17 years ago, and all of a sudden, all the work you're doing now means nothing. It's It's insane to me, and I'm hoping that that rubber bands back and leave Use a legacy of sensitivity and a common place for us to all treat each other but we have to stop canceling people from mistakes. That are mistakes. I'm not talking about egregious crimes. I'm not saying let's let Harvey back in you know, I'm talking about mistakes.
It is it is tough man. And, and you even like the first thing before you even begin the statement is like, you got to make sure you're getting the right guardrails on how we say it, because we it is there. They're tough subjects to talk about. But it's like, I mean, I tell people, I know it's a bit of a deep topic, but like read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's gulag archipelago, and you'll learn about when, when good wasn't good enough. And you know, they just kept taking away the edges. And by taking away the edges meaning affected because causing genocide like they, they said, Yeah, you're rich. So we can't let that happen. Yeah, like your principles. Cool. Okay. But then once they're gone. Now, the top earners are now rich. And those are the farmers and Okay, let's stop doing that. But and then suddenly, millions die in the Ukraine, because there's no food for a decade. Right? I mean, look, obviously, that's an extreme case, but it, it played out. And that's why I always, like you said, let's not let the egregious stuff, you know, be accepted. But there's people that make mistakes. And let's, let's try and put the right context. And context can be timing. It can be especially just what's wrapped around it. Like if you take one single sentence out of this podcast, I'm going down for I'm sure, for some reason, something I said somewhere, It's troublesome. The fact that I mentioned gulag archipelago is probably gonna be the one that takes me out. But as I said, it's a historical thing that, you know, we, I often look like, we have to look at history so that we don't make the mistakes of it again, by suddenly taking an extra sketch and shaking off everything that's 22 years and older. I mean, I could get with get around, maybe getting some of the 80s music off my, my memory, listen, so good, you know, but hey, that's just me, I get it.
I'm agreed, of course, all that. And then the other point I want to hit because I don't know, when you're going to cut me off, is when you talk about, you know, getting started, how do you find what works for you and everything, right? Um, and then I sort of got off on a tangent that people have approached me, so I'm not out actively seeking. So I've been like, letting him you know, marinate in my mind when I think about it. And I think that two things that I want to say about it, one is, um, unless you are the only person in this world, you know, somebody who has a disease, or is maybe has been homeless, or has an alcohol problem, or something that is connected with a charity, and if you can tap into your compassion and love for that person, you might want to work with something in that area, because that way, it'll feel more personal to you, it'll feel less, it'll feel connected. So it's just a suggestion that isn't something I've actually done, except one would argue is all thing. But I would look for something that hits closer to home, so that you can, you know, feel like you're making a difference in the world and maybe your own life also. But what I also want to say is that, you know, like, if you're having a shitty day, and you go for a run that you do not want to go on, you just feel better after nobody ever regretted exercising or running. We're all coming out of this, like incredible time of solitude. And I just think that helping others is going to help the giver more than it ever has before. And if you're coming back to the world, and life is hard for you, and you're like I have less time than ever, I have to work two jobs now just admit, you need the feel good of giving more than anybody and you've got it if you find that time. You know, we all we all know how to make time for the things that are most important to us. You'll find the time because it's so rewarding.
Beautiful, you know, in it's something that I hope that we take what we just experienced and find lessons in it. Yeah. Nobody would like to experience what we've gone through and continue to go through. nor would we want to go through what we talked about with, you know, families who have children who you face medical challenges that you'd never imagine until you experience. And like if you can do something as we go back to the world where we open up and we get to hug again, we get to do these things. It's it's gonna feel special. And I want people to like, Don't forget that just grabbed that moment.
Yeah. And I think about back again about Barbara and Robin, he took me by the hand and let me in a, you can give out my email if somebody is in Vegas, and they want to do charity work of any level, a week, an hour a year or full time, whatever, you give them my email, I will help them.
That's amazing. Now the the interesting thing, of course, is when we look at, like we sort of, you touched on it before this sensation that you're not giving enough. And like, how do you? How do you coach people through, you know, like I said, just the small things, I often tell even if they're not directly doing it, find somebody else is doing it and give them the day off, like give your workers an opportunity to spend time it doesn't even need to be like a company giving money. It can be like, empower your, your your community to say like who wants to do something? Let's all pool together and make sure that that can happen, right?
Yeah, yeah, I mean examples you could come be a Be quiet person at the golf tournament for a day. And you'll just stand there and you know, the learning curve is three minutes. You know, when the golf for you hold it up in a resupply, and then you're helping you're absolutely, I mean, more than helping, I can't even over, I can't even overstate how volunteer, like physical work, and Manning all these events is everything, they don't happen without it. Yeah, the big checks come, but there's no checks to give to it, there's no event or another order. So you could do that. Or you could um, you could, you know, find out which homeless shelters accept food and bake some cakes. Um, you can, you know, you can do the lay up, which is helping on Thanksgiving or Christmas, and I don't roll my eyes at that. That's just that's a good starting point. But there tends to be more than enough people on those days. Right? So do it on a different day. Um, I don't know what else probably manning the phones, something you can do.
Yeah, that was that was like the whole thing was like the, you know, at the telephone banks would be glued up, I need to have, like these sort of, like, I grew up, of course, through the 70s and 80s. And it was like watching like, oh, there's Burt Reynolds. And you know, and Lonnie Anderson on the phones taking calls, but truthfully, they're, they're just holding the phone three years and hundreds of people in another room that are actually taking the calls. But
I know another one, that's great. Um, it's a smaller, a smaller organization that I've worked with. But if you can take it on to, um, tutor or mentor underprivileged children. That is something that is almost an exponential seed. Because as you create, create sounds so manhandled as you help people develop and become educated, then you are really helping them become, you know, meaningful members of this community, and having children who they teach the importance of education, that we come in the workforce, and it's it's just a cascading benefit. And so if you have a very busy job, and you have no time for charity work, maybe you could mentor a child and teach him, you know, how do we develop this product or whatever, and it'll make all the difference in the world. That's the thing you don't know what's going to be the turning point. When it comes to education. You just have to spark somebody into understanding, loving education. Yeah, you don't know if that comes from your bus driver or your teacher, your uncle?
No, and that and that's it right? And I can say that charity happens in small ways every day, even just by the way that we behave in in our community and the way that we embrace people's differences and look for I remembered I was sitting on a bus on the way to work one day, and there was a guy who was sitting in the in the bus and this was a pre phone days. He literally like just people were in books and like looking around the room. I've always been a bit of a people watcher, and I saw this guy and he had an metal arm like it was a prosthetic arm. It was like sort of a three, claw like basic sort of little prosthetic arm. And I watched the way people reacted to him. And he was just sitting there quietly, you know, book in one hand, and wearing an Iron Man jacket, sitting with his metal arm. And everybody on the bus that got on or off, the first thing they stared at was his arm. And then I it's funny, and I thought that I saw one guy get on and he did what I did. The first thing he did was he stared at his jacket. He didn't think that this guy has a really tough life. Because he has to get through every day with one arm. He looked at him and he said, That motherfucker ran an Iron Man. What's your excuse?
And in small ways, right? So an hour a day, you know, thing, we can give a small check. Just encouraging other people to partake, you proselytizing. Anything we can do, I think is a powerful opportunity.
you want to hear a simple little charitable thing that I do that has turned out to be so fun, which is, you can download an app called be my eyes. And you're entered into a pool of people who get FaceTime, random FaceTime calls from blind people. And they're, and they're like, I can't see what this says. And they FaceTime and show you any read to them. Why? I've got I've done like two hours of going through blind guys mail with him and figuring out what bills need to be paid. And you inevitably just talked to them and make human connection. And, and you really feel that you help them at the beginning. I have to tell you, I was like, Huh, how do I know they're really blind? And I was like, Well, why would anybody pretend they're blind, just to have a FaceTime call? I don't know why I thought that, but I'm just admitting it here publicly. So, but they are because I talked to them forever. And that's charity that's helping. And it's such a small commitment that you could do like, sitting on your patio, be my eyes, and then it's fun. You're meeting people all over the world that you know, I think it's all over the country you would never meet and doing crazy little tasks for them. I love it.
That's incredible. Yeah. And that's, that's what I love, where we can take take technology and do stuff with it. You know, I mean, I suppose goodness to all the folks that do other things, you know that and and what's interesting, too, is like I said, just to go back to we talked about obviously Sheldon Adelson was a name we picked, but there are many folks that are you know, it's a tough world right now, when people make a lot of money. They like the word billionaire gets thrown at them. Like as if it's a it's a bad word. Because we may disagree with some of the statements they made. So therefore, now it's a pejorative, you know, like, oh, that darn billionaire hit a. But if I do look at the positive, what they do is they've created opportunity for a lot of folks wealth, you know, employment, whether they're directly, you know, giving to charity. So there are there are things that people do. And that's it. It's just like, it doesn't always show. It's not something we wear as a badge that says, yep, I gave, you know, x hours a week. It's the quiet stuff that happens behind and it happens. Like you said, pick up your phone, you can be someone's eyes. That's pretty amazing.
Yeah, that's really cool. No, no, you're right. I know billionaires get a bad rap, you can imagine. I don't have a problem with billionaires. You know, everybody tries to pay as little taxes as possible. So you might have a problem with tax laws, but you don't actually have a problem with what they're doing if you're honest.
Yeah, well, they this is the thing that we have now is that I think people will come out of everything that we got through in the last while we come together and will hopefully be appreciative. I know I'm appreciative that you spent your time with me today. This is this really cool. I could do this all day long. But I would I would steal your very valuable time from somewhere else that very much deserved it, Emily.
Oh, you're very kind to me. And I appreciate it so much. I think you've made me out to be a little better than I am. But thank you.
Me and my oldest daughter's name is Emily as well. So that's it. It was Kismet that we we pulled this together.
So does she have a middle name?
Jordan so not as exciting as your kids name. So this is always a funny one if I'm sure. I also wanted to try not to have the same like nine questions that everybody asks you at the start of everything. So your kids are funny names, right? Like
No, no. Isn't there nobody? But asking nine questions.
I'll tell you, I'll tell you why here's the one that will test you in the closing. What's the thing, the worst thing that's ever happened to you that you're the most thankful for?
Wow. I wish you'd given me time to study on that. Um, that is so tough. I feel like I've been very fortunate when it comes to like, health issues and life issues. So, um, you know, it's a little cliche, but I think it's true, I'm not going to pinpoint one exact thing. But I will tell you that any job I didn't get I was a freelance full time, or even the worst breakups I ever had that feel like I could never be happy again. Absolutely, just allowed the space for the next best thing to happen, the next thing to happen, which was clearly better, and you look back and go, what what was I? What was I so upset about? But and it makes me feel especially fortunate when I really can't even come up with a horrible thing that happened to me. Um, yeah.
Don't think that's, that's actually really kind of one of the joys of the reaction is because you're, your first thought is, whatever it is, I'm going to, I'm going to be in the Optimist Club around this thing, right? Like it's getting through it as difficult as Yeah, especially when you look back, retrospectively, I think of all those times, and you're just like, I've always had the ability to see that. There's something else that's out there that's keeping you keeping your feet on these on the ground, and, you know, keeping the heart pumping. And it's hard, you know, when you're in the midst of some experience, you're just like, this is it? You know, I can't, I can't take this anymore.
Exactly, exactly. But you actually learn because those times used to break me, and now you know, not almost break me. And now if I'm like having the worst time with something, you know, over, I can just go like, I have felt this bad before and it passes just passes you make it better. You know.
One thing that and I apologize, I'm stealing your overtime on this one.
Fine, I'm, I'm good.
One of the things that a friend of mine, I've always had sort of a stoic approach to things, which apparently is kind of people get really frustrated by stoicism and the idea that you kind of like you look at things that are out of your control, and you realize that you can't affect them, and you have to embrace that they're out of your control, and thus they occur, good or bad, then I always think of my lifestyle, I don't like to be praised. Because it immediately, like raises my level of normalcy to the point where now everything is a trough. And so I don't like the lows. And I don't like the highs, I kind of like to shave off the edges. If I would look at it as a sine wave. That's my, my, my way of dealing with it. Yeah, I remembered sitting as like a, I was like 18 and I had a acoustic guitar, we were playing with a friend of mine, and we're at a party. And this is like the morning, it's like seven in the morning, we're still going right? And we're just sitting around the table and this dog runs by and hits the edge of the guitar, it turns around, drops on its back, the next snaps right off of it. And I like this is the guitar that I spent, you know, three paychecks on. And like this is I love this guitar. And I decided to turn around is like, ah, I picked it up and I was like, it's gonna be hard to fix. And I sat down and continued on the conversation and the guy beside me was like, aren't you gonna freak out right now? I was like, nothing I could have done. Other than put it in a different spot could change the moment that just happened. Yeah, I said so. Yeah, I'll figure that out later.
It really was a weird thing that but then other times, I will like be carrying a plate with a cup on it. And I'll say to myself, I shouldn't do this because I might drop the cup and the cup falls off. And all that goes through my head is of course it did you nothing. Like you're just like immediately taken to the darkest place really like how does that same person, drop an $800 guitar and go Ah, that kind of sucks. I'm, I'm torn. It's the mind still takes you in in difficult places. Sometimes even the smallest chance I get it.
Um, well, I don't know what else to tell you. Um, I want to tell you how I met Penn and I'll kind of finish up with that button because I am channeling if my mother were in the room, she's not dead. She's out there. That when I was in Vegas, and I was working on a commercial, and I had a free night, and I, I was like, oh, I'll go see Penn and Teller because I saw them off Broadway in the 80s they're fun like it was not a dedicated fan, but I've always like puzzles and magic and that kind of thing. And I have recently prior to that moment seen the pilot show bullshit if you're familiar with it, yes. Yeah. And and I was like, Oh, that's so great. I I'm gonna get an I'm gonna get in line that talk to him. Because you know, I've never really seen pro science biased entertainment. You know, like it was it was incredible that she made the show for me. So I have to go talk to him and thank him. And by the time I got to the front of the line, I asked him out and he said yes. And you know, that was 18 and a half years ago, and many people marvel at that story. And my mother would tell you that's how Emily has been our whole life. She's not afraid of no and so I'm proud of that. I think that's what I do is I embrace embrace experience and just give it a try
That's amazing. Yeah, also the like the the classic if you're if and always my favorite story of people are like all this exciting news of like how did you choose the three of clubs to be this like is especially meaningful and like it's just it looks easiest to find on camera I still laugh when I see a magician use you know that is their classic forest card I'm like all right that's there's the throwback a little bit of a rush to Penn and Teller.
Have you ever seen or done the the stenograph trick? Is it semigroup is that the word the with the cemetery? No talking about no feeling a little you'll I'll send you a link or you can do blip but there's a they did it like live on Saturday Night Live or some show, but it still exists now. You You do have to learn how to force with your gloves but you you do a trick and then or night? Yes. And you force the three clubs, they look at their card and they put it back and they did it and then you find the card and it's the wrong call. And you didn't get it right. All right, whatever I got to keep practicing. There's only works if you happen to be going to Forest Hills or whatever cemetery it is in LA. But you go there and you're walking along when you're talking. And there's a I believe door to stenograph I just can't remember as a tenant it's not centered rapids serigraph and there's two of them there's one for sales and there's one of my backyard and it says Penn and Teller it's an it's like it's like raised bronze as a picture of it three clubs and it says is this your card to somebody bring them there and then you're like, they're really fun.
That's awesome. Well Emily Gillette for folks that want to find you and they should wear and I'll have links as well to all the charities that we talked about and I'll encourage people to go and I'll tell you what said oh my my I asked everybody to find somebody who would love to come on and I would be neat I would love one day to have have have pin on and share his some of his story but I know he's got the show is back on you're traveling you got a lot going on. So but I've made sure that I would I'm going to do it without it but you know we'll make sure that money gets to opportunity village to support them anyways and I'm going to make sure that i i donate a couple of months of my revenue from here to to them just because you know they they do fantastic stuff and so if I've got a bounty of luck I should use that in a way that can help others thank you so much thank you but most importantly how do we find you because you're the well he may be the louder taller one you are an incredible person and yeah, you deserve the the attention that you maybe don't get enough of.
I get so much attention I don't know what you want me to give like I is it stupid to give people my email or give them an alternative email. I mean, I'm on Facebook, but I don't generally like just random except. Um, why isn't my computer working? My I think about a batteries. I can't find my other emails. I mean, do you want me to say Am email I don't know what to do
You could just give it to you we only tell you what we'll put it in the show notes just to make sure for folks that they want to find it of course they can follow you on Twitter is one spot later Yes. And and of course keep track you're heading to do some new production work, you got stuff in post production you are, you are busy, so we'll make sure that we follow the projects that you're working on.
Oh, thank you so much. Thank you. It's been a pleasure anytime and I will certainly connect you with other philanthropic women.
Yeah, you you mentioned some fantastic names. I would love to feature them and share their stories. It's been a real joy to spend time with you Emily jillette. Thank you very much.