Care of Magical Shippers Podcast Episode 11 - We Love Lucey!

4:31AM Sep 12, 2021

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Care of Magical Shippers Podcast

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Nathan

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Hello there listener. Yes, you specifically, you should know that sometimes due to the things we discuss on the pod, it might contain potentially triggering content. But the good news is you can always review the episode descriptions for a full list of the warnings applicable to this episode. Oh, and just so you know, this podcast is rated R for really filthy. It includes adult themes and explicit content. So if you're an adult, buckle up, gird your loins and prepare to flood the basement because we are going down with these ships.

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Okay, so I had this this popped up in my head like, I don't know, I don't know what I was doing. But it just happened. So if Arthur was going to give Lucius a birthday gift, what do you think? What do you think he would give him?

Oh my God. What a question to ask me on the spot.

Sorry, I know. I just thought about this. I was like, okay, so for me, I'm like, would he like say that they were boyfriends or whatever. And so then yeah, that's him at Malfoy Manor for somehow he gets allowed into that place. He's like, man, this place is really dark and dingy. I could see him giving him a flashlight.

Yeah, a Muggle one. Not even anything magical about it.

But yeah, just a Muggle flashlight. Him being like, Uh Arthur, I can do lumos. And he's like, Oh, but we're still underage. You can't use it at home.

Yeah. And full on, like, explaining to Lucius what batteries are. And having the fangasm about that.

Exactly. So yeah, that was I don't know why I was like, Oh, he would give him a flashlight, for some reason.

See, I thought you were gonna say he was going to give him like a Muggle musical instrument. Because I feel like there's a really emo part to Lucius. And I see him really, like secretly clandestinely getting into the guitar. And like, but not just the guitar, like the bass guitar, you know? Just just learning a load of riffs. And then, obviously, he starts a band with Arthur.

I was just gonna say I was like, okay, so they're in a band. So yeah, so who else is with them in this band?

Well, I would have to figure out, like, who their contemporaries were. Like, I'm assuming I'm assuming Molly's there for reasons and then I have to look, I don't know how old Narcissa is really bad. But like, I can see them. I could see the four of them like in a band together. But like, I I feel like the the the Lucius/Arthur ship, I'm going to call it a battleship. Because it's, I love it. What's the word? What is the word? They're like, at each other's throats all the time? I can't think this is a good start. I'm being eloquent today.

I don't know words. Why are you asking me for words? You're the words guy!

I don't know. Apparently not today. Yeah. Anyway, they're, they're all in a band. And there's love/hate going on. And I buy that energy. Yeah.

She's 1955. So she's a year or two younger than Lucius, even. This could be like an after school...I don't know, eventual something-something. Not to say like, I mean, hey, they could just be like, Oh, man, this girl is like a prodigy drummer or something like that. Like you're 13 years old. We're gonna just like kill it.

I absolutely see Narcissa falling for Lucius. Like, because he's the older boy. You know, she's looking up to him. But he's in a band. And then she gets invited because one one time whatever one of the regulars like fall sick or something. And she's really talented. And then she's like, Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm in this for more than the music.

Oh, gosh. Yes. Oh, so good. Yeah. Okay, I love the idea of Narcissa and Molly and Lucius Arthur being in a band together. This is so great. And of course for me as far as the ship goes, I'm like, okay, so Arthur and Lucius are dancing around their feelings and that whoops. Meanwhile, the two girls are like crushing on the boys not knowing that like, sorry, ladies. It's never gonna happen. Or maybe it will maybe it just ends up being this whole big poly family.

Yeah, exactly! Maybe they're bi, maybe they're pan, who knows. But yeah, it could happen. I see a load of things happening and they're all really good.

All right, so we got, hey, flashlight and a bass guitar.

Obviously. But you know what, listeners? What you should do is tweet at us with potential band names for this group. Yes, yeah, yes. Really? Yes, please. Because normally we get we ask you to tweet at us with like fic recs and things. Just it's a bit lighter duty this week. We just want you to come up with it with an awesome band name for us, please.

So I just came up with two really bad names. One being The Weird Brothers and Sisters. And then Poly Jam, instead of Pearl Jam.

It's also like Polydor, like the record label. Perfect. It's awful. I love it.

Yeah, I told you, hey, I pulled it out of nowhere. So.

I mean, I've got nothing, so you're doing better than me.

Man, you've got a terrible band name, but I have none.

So. Welcome back.

Yeah, we should probably introduce the podcast

Yeah, that's, that's the thing that we should do at this point. So I'll go ahead and do that. Welcome back, listeners, to Care of Magical Shippers. It is your Harry Potter ship culture podcast. This week, the ship we're looking at is a battleship. It is Arthur/Lucius. But my favorite ship name for this pairing is Loosely. I love it so much.

Loosely! Oh my.

Yeah, like Lucius-slash-Weasley.

Woo buddy.

Take me loosely. Can we use that? I don't think we can use that. But I was proud of it.

Oh, gosh, it was like parsley.

The quality of these of the caliber of these episodes is just degrading as my level of filth goes up.

Oh, yeah. Sorry, guys. We've peaked. It's happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but Oh, yeah. Megs here. Yep. Just so you know.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, just in case you didn't know, I'm Nathan. I think. I think I can remember my own name.

Oh, yes. But okay. I'm so excited about Arthur and Lucius. We've brought this up in the past, like multiple times, we bring it up all the time, about how we see those two at Flourish and Blotts, rolling around on the ground, punching each other and just get all up in each other's business. And you just look at it and go, I ship it.

Ueah. I mean, this was this. I'm gonna be honest, this was not a ship I knew I needed until we saw it in that list of slash ships. And I was like, why have I never considered this before? Yeah. And then once I started thinking about it, I was like, Okay, so what if that like, somebody was able to take the canonical like, quote, unquote, Muggle duel that happened and Flourish and Blotts and produce something that riffed on that. And then so I knew what I wanted from this ship from like the get go, as soon as I was invested. And I went on AO3, I found it. Found I found my fic. So I'm going to like, I have to confess I haven't read it all yet. Because idiot that I am, I only thought it was one chapter. And then, like, ages later, I was like, no, it's chapter one of seven. I've only read the first chapter, but it's so far it's given me everything that I need from this ship. It's called The Seduction of Arthur Weasley. I will link it in the description. And, forgive me, I would quote or reference the author's name as well, but I'm just not gonna do it justice. So it is by somebody who is very talented, whose name I cannot pronounce.

That's fair. Hey.

And we're possibly -- you could take this out, if we don't end up doing it -- but we're possibly going to come back and talk about that in a discussion episode about the ship because I've loved what I've read so far so much.

I'm so excited to read it. Because Yeah, that was like the foundation of why we wanted to do this episode. And when you brought that to me, I'm like, why not? Of course, did I have to see this 15 minutes before we were gonna record today. So yeah, we're most This is probably going to I feel I'm feeling in my bones. And apologies if this doesn't happen, but I feel like this could be another Tomarry situation where we just get really excited about this. We did find a fic. We love and we're probably gonna talk about it. We'll see, we'll see what happens.

We'll see if we have time, that magical thing that we are supposed to have lots of. Where does it go? I don't know what happened. So when you hit your 30s. So even in your 20s, you're like, Yeah, can I can I'm doing a reasonable job of adulting. And then so then you hit 30. And you're like, wait, stop. And by the time happens, like, what is time? I, you know, I just sort of feel like, like Gandalf, whenever he comes back as Gandalf the White. And he's like, 300 lives of men, I have walked this earth, and now I have no time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, weird crossovers notwithstanding, we have no, we have no free time. So we, like we, conclusion, we want to do everything, but what we actually get around to doing will be up for grabs.

Exactly. We'll see. But anyway, so. So this ship, so of course, as we were doing research, we figured out that they're kind of their proximately, like three to four years, like difference as far as age goes. So like, if they were in school, they, you know, when Arthur would be say, quote, you know, in seventh year, then he would want be in third, I guess, or fourth. So yeah, you know, so I mean, they would have been at school together, but as far as like, actually kind of interacting with one another. But so of course, for me, the way I would like, picture or read it or think of writing it, like I would probably like go a little AAU and like have them be like the same age so that whatever point in school, they're interacting, kind of like, you know, Harry Draco situation of like, it's like, oh, you're the Gryffindor boy, and I'm the soldier and boy and classes together, and we have this conflict for whatever reasons. And because, of course, you know, from a young age, and of course, I'm curious, like, what did it like? What What do you think did it for Arthur as far as him becoming obsessed with Muggle stuff?

Oh, that's a really interesting one. I think. Arthur has always been a really interesting character to me, because his fascination with Muggle stuff parallels our fascination with the wizarding world, right. So just in the same way as we love this world, but we don't have access to magic, like he loves the Muggle world, but he doesn't really get it. Yeah, so he's like an inverse for the audience. So too, so I don't really know what would have sparked that interest. But I'll bet it happened in childhood. And I'll bet it was some sort of what if it was like sidelong operating with somebody like a parent, and they ended up in a part of Muggle London and he saw, like, a milk float and was like, wow, this is just incredible. You know, it's because, because it will have been something like that. I think, like, you know, the way like, when I was younger, I was obsessed with Dinosaurs a year. You get these, you get these really, like, obsessions and stages that everybody seems to go through. But I think for Arthur, it was a sort of a way to that's his magic. Right? Right. It's his, it's his way of feeling good about a different part of the world, something that's strange and exotic to him, that he wants to be a part of. And, and I really, like I find that really endearing about his character anyway. And I sort of feel like, because Lucy is has this antipathy to muggles, and, you know, in in certain canonical storylines, that that tips over into hatred, but I write you code with the with the parrot, and I think it would work really well. where, you know, alpha has this obsessive nerdiness about it, but then Lucy is is in the corner of rolling his eyes and oh, my God, not the milk floats again. Yes, yes. Here he goes. Oh, for sure. Look, do you have any specific headcanon about the first the first Muggle thing that encounters that propelled him into Muggle fascination.

See, for me, it's like you said like either they just happen upon some Muggle part for me because of the significance of the car in the books. I picture him seeing an automobile. Oh my god. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like him actually seeing an automobile back in Well, it would have been, you know, fifth fifth, you know, in the 50s or whatever that he would see some like 50s super sleek, beautiful, you know, thing. And I could see him just being fascinated about like, oh, like, obviously, it's look at that magic, or why aren't they using brooms or something like that, and I could see his parents either. Maybe being like, aware of Muggle stuff and just being like, Oh, that's a Muggle car or not really thinking on it or not knocking it down. I don't think he was in an environment that necessarily looked down on muggles, but it's not like they were curious about it. Yes, it became his thing. Like it was definitely his thing. So I, it's, it's one of the most I feel like something that couldn't be ignored. If you were like, if you saw cars, you'd be like, Oh my gosh, what is that like that? What's that? Especially at a young age? Like what's that? Oh, it's that's how muggles get around. It's like, Well, why don't they fly? Well, they don't have magic. Like, they have to use something else. And it's like, that seems like a really complicated device to move bodies around like, yeah, and then and then him getting hold of one. It's like, you know what, now I'm gonna make this even more efficient and make it fly. So absolutely. That's kind of how I how I saw it, but and then I'd like to picture them like in school, so they're like in Muggle studies, be it like maybe they're like 1314 you know, and Lucious is like, not doing well in the class. Like maybe he's like failing the class. And, and not to say, it's funny because Arthur is obsessed as he is with Muggle stuff. He actually doesn't really genuinely know. Yeah, that's not to say yeah, yeah. Like, he's like, Oh, I you know, I have all these plugs. I love plugs, or like, oh, I'll use the telephone. And he's like, yelling into it, like, into or whatever. Well, no, rondelles into it. But still, it's like, he just he knows of the thing and wants to know what the thing does, but he just never gets there. Like he actually never gets there fairly tone, but just because he's super passionate, especially if the Muggle Studies teacher is still a witch or wizard and it's not like they're going to be unless they're a Muggle born like, they're the, you know, the stuff that they have in their sharing is gonna be not necessarily 100% true. So I could see him being like the number one Muggle study student regardless of how well he actually knows things, and then having to tutor looses, and just to be you know, cuz he's just all hype. Like, you can just see young Arthur just being this hyper individual. Oh, absolutely. And just Lucius being so like, just like grumpy, like, the whole time, like, just like sour face. Oh, absolutely.

He's totally aloof, and he doesn't want to be there. And he's like, tolerating it because he has to do and he. You just know full well, he's like, I should have been in durmstrang, right? Yes,

exactly. And he's literally like, right, going back to his dorm room every night reading letters to his parents, like, please get me out of here, please. But yeah, I can see them like in the library together Lucious like kind of, you know, has this chair turned away, like try not to pay attention. Meanwhile, Arthur's just going on and on about all this stuff. And he's so excited. And then of course, over time that finds it endearing. And then eventually he realizes either, you know, like, what happens? The tutoring is over. He starts doing well. And Arthur, like is proud of him and congratulates him and I could just see Lucius being all like, Oh my god, like, Oh, I just, it's just so cute. I just love the story of them in school, or just the things that could happen for them. It's just like, it's okay. It's funny. We talk about battleship, but I'm stuck in the fluff right now. Yeah, I am stuck so deep in this fluff and how to make this cursed pairing so fluffy. I'm actually tearing up a little bit. I was

so cute.

It's criminal and more isn't written about it. Because the more yeah talking, the more I was thinking. So what if part of the reason that Lucius hates Muggle so much is because for whatever reason, later on, they fell out of love, or they broke. All right. And so now he associates everything, Michael, with the heartbreak of losing offer. Oh, yes. So much sense. And oh, yes. And so going back to what you said about the car. I did a quick sneaky Google while you were talking. The other Ford Anglia was applied to various models of Ford between 39 and 67. So it's perfectly feasible that the Ford was the first called Arthur ever saw. And that's why he realized one Yeah. Oh, okay. Yes. I mean, obviously, yeah. Yeah. Wow. So. So I mean, I obviously think there is so much more that you could say about, you know, alphas obsession with Muggle stuff. It's it's, it speaks to a love not just of Muggle things and of the Muggle world but of a love, of otherness and of randomness, and of things that other people would throw away. Like, I think he mentioned to Harry, at one point, that he's fascinated by like spark plugs, and all these weird things. And I just think that speaks to Arthur's character, because it shows the reader that he has a way of looking at things that isn't typical and traditional. And, you know, and he's obviously passed those values down through his family and through his his sons. And I just, I don't know, I think that's really sweet. And I was thinking about, like, how could that that the sweetness of his nature feed into a potential? Arthur Lucius love story. So I did a bit of research on lipsius and I found out his father abraxis died of Dragon pox. And that happened what I think that happened in 68. So he would still have been at school if my math is correct.

68 Yeah, yeah. Because 54 ish 6465 to start. So yeah, he would have been in school.

Yes. So if Lucius loses his father in school, obviously, he's going to be really down and depressed. And I was like, What if Arthur is the prefect? That, first of all confronts him out of a sense of obligation, because you know, it's a it's the prefectly duty to do. Maybe he's patrolling the corridors at night, and he spots Lucious like, wandering aimlessly or something, or he's just in his head. And so at first he's, he meets him. And it's like, well, I sort of have to because it's my duty as prefect, but then over time, you know, he, they get to know more about each other, and it becomes this real sort of her comfort thing, where then slowly they start to learn more about each other. I just find that so much. We're still stuck in the fluff. Are we doing this isn't like cause we're normally on to the smoke bite. Now, what is

happening to us? I think, because I've kept saying over and over again, I don't understand. I don't understand fluff. Like, I don't I don't think I can write it. I don't understand. Now. I'm just like building all of these fluffy situations. needs to. Oh, it's so great. Oh, I love that. Yes. I just want Oh, God, I could see the two of them in school. That is just okay. I'm sorry. I just like I just think it's so cute. My cheeks. This is what people like. I just think that meme of the various posts that you see all the time on Tumblr and whatnot that it's like me reading smart and public and it's like stone faced and it's like me reading fluff in public and you're just like a slobbery man. Well,

you could be reading smart and public and just be a slobbery mess but not Yeah, and publicly.

Not you can't see Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yes. But I love so going off of what you said about the triggered by heartbreak. I love that so I could see them yeah, having their boot because I brought this up before so we'll kind of before I get there, so remember me coming back to the heartbreak after stuff. Because I'll forget I had mentioned I I read a fic that was really short, just like a short little one shot about them. Not like just not really knowing how to move forward and be with the fact that they were going to be on the opposite sides of the war. Like they're in school and Baltimore's on the rise the first time and lucea will be on valdemar side and then obviously Arthur isn't and that ultimately could be one of those instances where it's like either it's out of their control. Who knows like cuz you think it's like okay, so it was the end of school and they're like 17 it's not like either of them could just be like Oh, I can't because my family I mean, technically Yeah, I guess it Lucius inside of things like with all the malfoys Draco was in the same situation like you have to make choices based on your parents because of like, being disowned and like family honor and name and all this stuff and so loose Just has to be dealing with that. And even though Arthur's different he's still from a pure blood family it just a different, you know environment. But I it just it it's hurt so much to think that the war would get between them like that would be the reason why they would have to split up not because they don't love each other anymore but because they just they can't be together like it's just not it's not they're not able to Yeah, so I could see that being either like our third trying to be, I guess could be like the, I don't know, noble one like you know that there's always that one like Harry with Ginny. He's like, it's best for us to part now so that it doesn't cause us further pain and anguish down the way and I could see Arthur being that one and Lucius being like, No, we you know, like just not wanting to like deal with it at all like though it'll be fine or whatever. So maybe then he's like, bitter about that, that that Arthur ended things even though he said he still loved him or whatever. So then you've been seeing the stories like Okay, so then Lucius goes off and marries narcissa probably based on you know, with troll, though, or whatever. And then maybe Arthur and Molly had, you know, been together and maybe they were friends for years, like the all you know, they've always been friends. And then after school was like, you know, like, you're my best friend. And I guess, you know, maybe then whatever, we'll get married, I guess or Yeah. And then they have you know, they're not to say that they weren't in love and had all these kids and then later on, Draco has such a low thing for like and knows the weasleys like offhand, like he's like, Oh, so you got red hair and tattered clothing. You're obviously a Weasley. And for him to know that, like, How often would they have actually come in contact with the weasleys like, Draco, they wouldn't be in passing, they wouldn't be at the same mastery gala, they wouldn't. Like he would have had to have been told by his father about the weasleys because he's the first Malfoy child to go to school. Now he has siblings to come home tell him about it or anything. Like he literally meets Ron the first time around. It's like, oh, he must be a Weasley. And so I could just see him being so like, yeah, like, stay away from all the, you know, the redheaded kids or whatever, all the weasleys they're trouble. They like Muggle stuff, they're different, blah, blah, blah. And just creating it putting like anything say what the pureblood agenda like put putting your views on to your children. Like that's just kind of what naturally happens, not knowing it's because his dad is just super heartbroken and butthurt. And they just to constantly have that conflict. And yeah, yeah.

The, like drunk Whoa, build an awful lot of assumption into that red hair and a hand me down robe. I mean, we know that Molly has read her and she was approved. And I wonder if her brothers Gideon and Fabian, were redheaded as well. You know, I wonder if Arthur was chummy with either of Molly's brothers when they were at school. And whether or not that would have had an impact on you know, whether when Lucy Yes, disparages, or weasleys he's really lumping them all in together, right as one unit. Because it's a bit of a real overgeneralization to say, just because you're you, you look poor and you've got red hair, you must be a Weasley. I mean, obviously, there is classism stuff built into that read as well. And we're supposed to, very quickly get the idea from that sort of thing that Draco is very, you know, upper class and, and the weasleys are significantly poorer, although it's it's complicated by the fact that they're both pure blood families. So really, they're it's the same social class, but they don't have the same social standing.

Right, right. But

the same social class but not the same economic class and part of the year we're going to talk a bit about the potential for heartbreak I think, and part of the reason I think that works or that could work so well. Is the the different socio economic or personal outlooks Lucy as an author have based on their worldview because they're because Arthur's backing up the world with less money, right? So he's, he isn't afforded maybe the best career opportunities. He whereas Lucy's could potentially go and travel the world or do whatever he wants, you know, I'm assuming he's got We know he has access to Malfoy Manor. I'm assuming he's like a trust fund baby. Like he's basically bound to have access to a load of family gold or something. Right. So I think, for me, there's a, there's a sort of potential there to explore, not just the differences between their personalities, but the difference between the social situations as well.

Okay, so I just thought of something really deep and dramatic. So we're getting away from fluff and now we're getting into some like really hurt angsty stuff. So we're back in, we're back in our wheelhouse.

So normal surface has resumed normal. Yeah, exactly. Return to your regularly scheduled scheduled program. So

Oh, crap. Okay. So you know how in the fifth book, Harry has the dream where he sees mcgeeney attack Arthur? Yes. Right. So then he goes into all clemency and does all those things to potentially prevent him from seeing going there. But then the next time he does, like, it doesn't work out, obviously. And the next time he does is when he's being drawn to the Department of mysteries to save serious, right. So what if, what if that was the instance where Lucius found out what happened? completely destroyed him? So not only is he not, like, they say, like, you know, like, we see him as like, like, starting to, I don't know, like kind of like lose it a little bit. Like as the movies progress or even in the books like he's Yeah, he's less confident, he's less you know, he's, he's more desperate, I guess. I should use desperate. But let's say that the New Guinea thing happens with Arthur and he completely loses it. Like he you know, all of his hatred or resentment or, like grudge that he held against him, like completely vanishes when he finds out that he is hurt and potentially dying. And then after that is like, hey, Baltimore, my dude, like, I'll all hang out at the Department of mysteries, like, leave it up to me, like, I will be the one that can get I can find a way to get Harry there. Like, let me you know, do whatever, like I have that power. So then he decides to be the person who takes over the plan, you know, like, maybe he wasn't initially and then all of a sudden, he's like, I'll, I'll make this happen for you. Like, don't you know, don't you know, don't let your snake do all your stuff. Like, I'll take care of it. It's fine. Absolutely. Yeah. Meanwhile, he's just like, cuz he's just horrified by what happened. So that's him. Like, when it all goes bad and down, I think partially part of it could Yeah, that could really have done a number on him. And then who knows? Like then Ron gets like, attacked at during the battle, like buy the whatever the brain things and whatever, and, and whatnot. And maybe that's when he that's like, when when it shifts like, we think about the shift of being like, okay, you failed, Lucius failed, therefore, he's out of favor with Baltimore, of course, he's going to feel shitty, of course, he's going to feel powerless. But is that also like an emotional shift where he like, he remembers what he used to feel and how it used to feel. And now he's, like, trapped in the reality that he created by ignoring or walking away from those feelings. And I don't know, I just see, there's so much potential for him to be going through so much torment in that regard for so many reasons. And that being one of them.

Oh, you're so right. You know, as you were talking, I was thinking, in Chamber of Secrets. We know canonically, that luteus is sort of responsible for slipping the diary into genies cold room. So you know, he's responsible for the confrontation that happens at the end of the book, but I'm really fascinated by the possibility that Lucien knows it's a Horcrux. And he also knows Harry is a Horcrux. And so he knows that really, Harry is capable of destroying the Horcrux. So he setting Voldemort up to fail by putting by

bringing bringing two horcruxes together versus keeping them separate. Exactly.

Really, because really, in that way, he's doing more for hurry than Dumbledore would under the circumstances. Because the only reason Dumbledore even has that conversation with him, and it's years later, is because all of this starts with the Horcrux stuff. And then I'm thinking as well of in book four with the Quidditch World Cup stuff, because we know that Arthur is responsible on the night theatre happens by the Death Eaters. We know Arthur is responsible for ministry security, that night when when the shit goes down. So in my head, what's happening there is, again, Lucien is not responsible or not charged with being the ringleader of the Death Eaters for the planned attack, but he gets wind that they plan to attack Arthur Weasley and the ministry security directly. So what he tries to do stealthily, is sneak in and go, I know, I'm going to I'm going to subvert this and divert the attack to some muggles, I'm not going to you know, I'll make it humiliating. And because it's still terrible, what happens to that Muggle family? Yeah, you know, it's absolutely horrific. But he's like, I have to be convincing enough to make sure that my quote unquote allies believe that I'm doing this because I'm a loyal Death Eater. But I also don't want them to harm Arthur or any of his kids. So I'm going to take away from them. And so and so I see that then he takes charge. And, you know, when events unfold as they do in the books, but what for this ship to work, I think, because I can buy that Luke seus is really intelligent. And I think that if he were, because we see that he's incredibly loyal to Draco, and he wants the best for his son, you know, even as he's becoming unhinged, so I can believe that, when he's loyal to somebody, he'll do whatever he can, he'll expand whatever resources he can to make sure that they're they're not harmed and that they're put first. So if Arthur is at the top of that tree, even secretly, you know, he has to be planning

Yes. Oh, gosh. Oh, my heart just been ripped apart. Apart over and over again. Ah, that's so good. Oh, I love that so much. Yeah, they because you I mean, you see this trope and a lot of things where even though like people are separated for whatever reasons and there's no chance of them being together but even though their lives go on they still have those feelings for one another and so they're always still in your your mind and memory. Of course, Lucius would be keeping an ear an eye out for anything regarding the order, or any any plans that have to do with that because the whole time he's just going to be thinking about Arthur but also he's Malfoy he is a Death Eater. He's still he's still going to make those choices. One could you know argue that he'd be like anyone else would be expendable though. Like, as long as Arthur was okay, it wouldn't matter what happened to anyone else. So I yeah, I could see that it's you know, being like a selfish thing of like, no one else matters. Like still. No one in the order matters. muggles don't matter. But Exactly, yeah, Arthur matters. Like no matter what, and even if Arthur doesn't really see him in the same way anymore because of what happened or Oh, Nathan. Yeah, tell me tell me what's on your mind. So so then imagine this story that we've just we've been building up over the past however many minutes there's the moment where either like Lucius saves Arthur, you know, something happens where like he saves Arthur or they end up in the same space for whatever reason, and then is given the opportunity for him to explain how everything that could have happened or why things went wrong where because of Lucius like disrupting a plan in some way to react to them. So kind of like in comparison to like the like Snape doing all these things. I was just gonna say yeah, looking evil, but he's protecting Harry all the way through the book. The same thing could be said for Lucius and Arthur that regardless, like he cuz he's, he's obviously in the main circle. Lucius is a top dude. He's a top dude. He knows everything that's going on. And he has power. He has money and he knows people in the ministry. So like, what?

what if, what if, wow, this is just a Why does my brain do this? Nathan? Why does my brain do I don't know. But I'm not apologizing for you.

Okay, so, in the movies, they say that, you know, Lucius works for the ministry. However, in the books he doesn't, he's just a man of means. He's a man of an old name and money and just a lady of leisure. Yes, lady. Pleasure. Yes. And so of course uses money to do everything, you know, to influence things to make decisions. Build relationships with people in high places. So what if something was going down like they're doing some the Death Eaters we're gonna do have some plan against the order somewhere some reason and he knew that Arthur was there and he was going to get involved. What if he had someone he knew at the ministry or had someone do some sort of Rambo, like, Muggle affecting situation which then they knit? He knew that they would have to call Arthur over to take care of, you know, like Yes, just making baiting all of these situations like that's why Arthur is like so busy with his raids and being out so late, especially what is the what's the book when when is it that Harry goes to the borough

voted? And he gets promoted in book six? I think, because he because that's when scrim George takes office, so

and he comes over with Percy that one night, right? Like, when he's trying to collect like collect quote, unquote parry or whatever.

Yeah, he's like, it'd be really good if you showed up at the Ministry just to save face or whatever. Yes,

because that's one of my Molly's like, he's, you know, barely been home. That's when all of their spoons are on. apparel, apparel, and then it says traveling when he's coming in. He comes back and that's when they do their like, name swap thing. Like what do you want me to call? You know, we're alone together. Molly wobbles. Oh my god, that is so cute. That is so cute. Lucy will see. Cute she asked how cute she was. Oh, so him being so busy could technically be partially because Lucia is having all these things happen to keep him from like attending or being part of the, you know, like stakeouts or doing any of the dangerous things the auditor has to do because he's too busy doing his job.

Exactly. And that's how I mean I could totally see Lucy as being responsible for an exploding toilet, toilet and bath. And I think that oh, I really I want to read that. fic

Oh, isn't it like a recurring thing? Didn't he say that there was someone like they finally found the person who was like going around and exploding toilets. And did they? There was something that it was like they they finally caught up with someone who was like doing like Muggle baiting like doing this Muggle bait. Yes, yes, it

was it was a regurgitating toilet and Bethnal Green Yes that's

it Yeah. So I don't know so I mean, so it's possible that it's like they've been following this serial toilet exposure

which is really just Lucius having some his own Mundo fungus running around blowing up toy.

Exactly. And you know, he wouldn't be doing the dirty work himself. got somebody else to do, you know, hired a third party to then be like, go over here and make this toilet. regurgitate this Tom precisely? to exactly this many degrees? That it would it would be perfect.

perfectly. Yes. Oh, gosh. That's so funny. Oh, I just okay. I love it. I love the weasleys I love Arthur and Molly and I love the dynamic of canon, but also me being like, Okay, how can they be together with everyone continuing to exist? So it's hard for me to imagine and feel good about the fee idea that say, you know, Arthur and Molly were to like, split up. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Or, like on the other side of things. Like, I mean, it's the war. Like, what if like narcissa or Mali had actually died in the war?

You know, this is Yeah, yeah. This is another thing that where the potential for like her comfort comes in. And I really see you know, because ultimately, war is great social leveler. so awful as war is, if you're losing people on both sides, surely that gives you something in common that you can emotionally bond over. But as well as as well as the, you know, narcissists are OMalley being taken out of the picture by the war. You also have the possibility that Lucy is or Arthur are both by and they just exist in a sort of a weird open poly queue where it's a bit fluid and a little bit like dependent on mood and situation. And, you know, maybe there are complex emotions there. But the but they can sort of exist together and be aware that they're on different sides, but sometimes they just physically want the same thing.

Yeah, yeah. No, right. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Because it's just even though. It's like, they could just have those moments where it's like, they have that a night that night together. Like, it's like the world is is outside and right now it's just us and we're together. Yes, that's all still happening. But for right now, it doesn't matter. And then tomorrow, we'll deal with the world that we have to face again, or whatever, and it's just, oh, man, it's so tragic. It's just so tragic. But yeah, I, I do like the idea of however that would be like, say, regardless of, of Mali or narcissa, after the war, and you know, things settle down and say like, Lucius probably goes to ask him for a bit like he has to, like, that's just it's expected, like, he probably would go for at least an hour, no, but let's say it goes for five years or something like that. Yeah. And then is able to be like, appealed to, you know, to leave and he finally gets let out. And then maybe at that point, he does try and like merge into society as like actually giving to it like getting a actual job or volunteering or doing things that he normally wouldn't have otherwise done. And then kind of starts blending into and merging into the world that Arthur knows and he's Yeah, he's he's starting to see again, what he had seen in Lucius before all this, like when they were young, when they you know, became friends or, you know, potentially in love with each other. That just kind of reawakening everything and then I picture I just, I just would love to see if they say they got together for however reason they did, and then the first Christmas where Draco comes over. And it's like, it's bill, it's Charlie. It's you know, whatever, it's George and well in this regard, Fred didn't die so it's the twins my world Fred didn't die. Percy and Ron and all the evidence just like all these weasleys and Drake is just like, Dad What the fuck and he's like, just deal with it. Be nice. Suck it up do

exactly and then Draco has to come to terms with the fact that all this Weasley hate for such a long time was really Weasley love just deeply buried. Yeah, try and push it away.

As best Weasley love

I can absolutely see Draco being disgusted by that and having to like I'm just trying to eat like Molly's French onion soup and his lip is curling. They don't even have fine china what the hell am I do?

Exactly. It's like my fork. One of the fork toy tongs is like bent and like just like going Oh God, I have to come back to fork but what was I saying? Oh, oh crap. Oh crap. Okay, no, so of course Draco is like

so I have been so I have been hating these people because you've just been wanting to fuck Arthur we've just been I've been at odds with these people for my entire Hogwarts career just because you like oh man Yeah, so funny.

And then Draco it could be jealous because it's like has my loyalty like out of trying to be a good Malfoy for all these years

man Yeah, nothing on a lie.

This is an illusion. You know I've participated in a delusion just to keep your you know ego satisfied. See that being a you know what that of course offers going to try and help calm Draco down. But of course, that's only going to make Draco worse because he's like, the last thing he wants is to be counseled by somebody that he's been told to. told to despite his you know, but I love I love In fact, when we see Draco's journey from drifting away from this established, snooty upper class, you know, East thiet to somebody who is more compassionate, more understanding, more accepting. And I think that this ship in particular, provides an excellent framework for that to happen because Lucien has already decided he's all in again, for whatever reason, so so because he's already made that decision. He's just like, well, Draco, you're coming along, whether you like it or not. Yeah, same. It's that same dynamic they've always had, except now instead of selling back weird, poisonous ingredients to borgen and Burks, it's, you know, embracing the weasleys

Yeah, and I can just see Arthur like Arthur doesn't get mad often, like usually like he'll have a stern talk or Take you aside, but I could just see an instance where like, this is Oh, what is it? Oh, what oh god. Oh god what's there's there's movies I don't have to know specifics, but there's obviously like movies like this, where, you know two parents get together and there's like the new kid that comes in and then obviously gets bullied behind the parents back. Oh, yeah. 10 but, you know, they pretend that they're friends and they're doing fine, but really, they're like tormenting the shit out of this other kid. So I could just see that being Draco like Draco being like the, the central like pillar of torment around all these Weasley kids and then Arthur finally finding out and just like screaming at all of them. It's like, Draco's not going anywhere. Like you just see like, stop it. Like I raised you better than this and just like them being so guilty feeling.

So now I'm picturing. Now I'm picturing like, a version of the parent Trump, where Ron goes,

Yeah, that's what I was. That's what I that's kind of what I was thinking. But yes, yeah, get summer camp. Exactly.

Where Ron like, goes to live at Malfoy Manor for a while. You got the Raman narcissa thing going on? And and Draco agrees to to live at the bureau. Oh my god, I forget everything else I've asked for. That's the fic

Yes. Yes. 100%

Oh my gosh, I

can only imagine like cuz it would be it would be, man. Okay, so now we're good. Oh, shit, we're somewhere else entirely like we do. Like we do. But yeah, Draco would find it would take him time to get to know how to be more humble and to you know, accept and be okay with less. And then of course, Ron would probably from the beginning, feel a sense of like, guilt and unworthiness to be or have these things and look down on, like having nicer things, but then also learning that, you know, that doesn't mean that it makes like narcissa or the malfoys bad in any regard. That's just different and interesting. Yeah,

I see. Like, do you know those like toy train sets? I absolutely see a magical version of that, where it travels between the borough and Malfoy Manor. And it's used by Arthur and Lucy. Yes to communicate with each other. Yeah, that's so cute. Oh, yeah. I don't know where it's going without. The visual image was cute enough that I wanted to share it without any wider contact. Yeah, I don't need context. This is my,

I'd hope it would be like a suit. Like, even if it is a toy train. It's got to be like a super train. Because otherwise it would take like, forever.

No, but so so no, but the way up to the way I visualize it is. So there's like, so there's like a little bit of track, and then a tunnel. And then when it goes through the tunnel, that's when the magic happens. And then the magic happens instantly, and instantly, like teleports between one house to another. But yeah, I absolutely see that as their preferred way of communicating other than using the like talking Patronuses because, you know, Arthur's really into his Muggle stuff and I just think it would be like Lucy would roll his eyes getting little rolls of parchment from Arthur being like hey, you know you should totally come and do this with the family at such and such time, but he would he'd send like the door hastily scribbled notes back or whatever on the on the top of the carriages I just I love that visual so much.

What if I were all those years that they had not been talking or anything? What if Lucius like sent like every once in a while just like a little on unlabeled package with just some random Muggle something in it. Oh my god, and it just like showed up at the bureau or something or even at his office like what if he gets like what if he got to work and there was like a little parcel like on his desk, like every once in a while that would have like a paperclip? Or a pen or like I just like a random Muggle item like Yes.

What if it's like the anniversary of the last time they spoke and they both remember it? And so on that day, whatever day that happens to be they each send each other something and and so Lucius will send off a little Muggle something. And Arthur will send Lucius like, something that like because luteus is I assume he's like a collector of like rare curios, like and we had magical audit. He's I imagine that our fair look like working in the ministry himself will have an awareness of like weird things coming in or because he mentions it him that mentions Ali Bhatia and his flying carpets in book four you know when when they say about like so they have these weird Muggle rules or these weird rules about like no magic around muggles. But then they say well, like Ali Bashir keeps insisting on flying his cars yeah

I can't Yeah,

so I imagine that like every time that anniversary rolls around Arthur is sending Lucius something like a piece of a magic carpet or you know something that's been confiscated that

yes, yes. Or even if it's something that like used to be dangerous but they were able to like you know, like keep dancing yeah words and so then it was just it was still like used to be this like interesting unique like magical object which then he knows that either like Lucia set maybe Malfoy Manor has its own type of museum like which to other people could be like, Oh, they collect dark artifacts when really it's like, no, we're collecting history. Like it's just it's something it's just all a point of view. And yeah, maybe that's something that Arthur remembered that either he knew of or Lucius had talked about being fascinated with. So now I see. Okay, so maybe it doesn't work at the ministry. What if Lucius like became like a museum curator, or like opened a museum?

Yeah, absolutely. Or became just like a historian of not just like magical artifacts, but of Muggle as well, and like mix the two. And so it was like, educating wizards about Muggle history at the same time as it was educating potential squibs about magical history. I see him doing a lot of work to bridge the gap between the divides there

and and then maybe like, what if Arthur didn't know about it, like didn't know about it, but then came across like he could have been like, showing somebody like, Oh, look, there's this new Ms. museum focused on Muggle you know, like stuff like eat like a Muggle squib, whatever new museum that opened, and he got super excited about it. And then he goes, and he discovers that it's lusus. And it just like completely, that moment when he just Oh, I know he like shows up. They're so excited and just so ready to like immerse himself in this Muggle like Squibb magic history, and then defined Lucius Malfoy there at the opening up his new museum. So okay, but the way I see that the way that has to work is he gets a note, which with vaguely familiar handwriting that he hasn't seen in years, I think it's this note at work. And he's and so the note is like, turn up at this museum. After closing on opening day. Yeah, be here. And then so he goes and stands in front of whatever it is, and then he just hears footsteps behind him. turns around, and there's loose. Yes. And there are no words. Just the Okay, okay. Okay, so this, so that, imagine that, but it's actually just an invitation. So it's an invitation to exclude like a preopening. You know, like a like, whatever you call it, like a there's names for those things. Yeah. Oh, boy. either, but like the the pre, like, the day before the actual like art opening or museum exhibition.

I know. I'm sure the listeners know exactly what you're doing. Like they're just sitting there like, Oh, my fucking god, you guys.

Anyway, so you know that time and place that they do that thing? Whoa. Sorry, I'm mad that she can't think of this word, but she's taking it out in her mic. Anyway, so he gets the invitation to the pre party. Yes, the night before party, whatever. Yeah, pre launch. There we go. And so he's like, Oh, yeah, great. And so he goes expecting there to be like, a bunch of other people. But he goes and walks in and it's empty. And then all of a sudden Lucius comes in like you do and he's just like, Hey, you know, he's like, Hi, Arthur. And he's just like, Oh, my God, like this is you know, because he's like, want either he's walking around, and just like seeing the Place like on his own and then all of a sudden Lucius is there. And it's like, yeah, I've been working on this for years. And I finally have, you know, felt like I could show you. And then they just have their moments.

Oh my god so so what if building so what if, in the moment when Arthur realizes its Lucius Lucy reaches into his robes? Arthur thinks he's going for his wand he's really nervous is like, Oh shit, something's gonna go down. Now I've been tricked when he and when his hand comes out with robes. He's holding the flashlight. So Ah, oh, okay.

We're just Okay, so so we're writing a fic this episode. We're just this just a thick soak a flashlight gift way back when flashlights. So he goes, he's bought his own looking at looking at this museum and he's confused, but he's really excited about all these things. All of a sudden the lights go out. Yes. And then a flashlight goes on.

Yes. Yes. Okay, so we hope you enjoyed our like, our like real time fanfic

radio this week.

Oh, wow. Okay, so yeah, so needless to say, Arthur and Lucius completely shippable. Completely shippable. Yeah,

I don't even have to that there's no doubt in my mind. But it's so strange. Like, I never I never pictured them together before. Right. I saw them that list. And then Ever since then, my brain has just gone into overdrive. Thinking of how it's perfect. Yes. But you know, I said before, this podcast is just gonna devolve into magical slash

ship.

Yeah, in case you didn't know by now, we're sort of invested in slash. But I don't apologize for this episode at all. I think oh, I'm potentially excited to go and look at more fic and to look at that particular fic in detail, because I need it in my life but these ideas like I I hope that our listeners have enjoyed this sort of real time seminar.

Okay, so we need band names. We need a name for this museum. How long has this been in the working like we need Okay, we need character backstory. Like please tell us like the motivations behind these characters we created like yeah, this is oh god it's so it's so good. Now I just see this fic like this this in my head this this exists. Then like I can see this journey of these two. Two poor lovesick boys split by war war happening lives happening separated then all of a sudden after everything is said and done. They come back together at that beautiful moment. Ah, no, no, it's feeling very You've Got Mail. Like what if he's getting information and he doesn't know it's Lucius. And then finally when he discovers that it's Lucius it's like, oh,

so in this in this scenario, Lucia says Tom Hanks. Author is Mike Ryan. Yeah.

100% Yeah. Oh, please, please Can Can someone write that fic they need You've Got Mail a you Arthur Lucius.

Please. Oh, we're so yeah. If you if you write it, we'll do a whole episode on the on the fact that you produce.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. Nathan will definitely pod fic it, that's for sure.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, yes. Yes, I will. And I will I will work on doing my very best lucea stroll for you.

Yeah.

Well, this has been

amazing. And I totally feel like we definitely have to do that fic episode, so we're hyping it up. So it's probably most likely definitely going to happen. So keep a lookout for that. Whether it's next time or not. Yeah, that Yeah, it'll it'll definitely happen because it is it's as you say, Nathan exactly what we were thinking of and wanted out of the ship. And I cannot wait to read that and hopefully get out of that slash go and write this. This is cm fic.

That's not Oh god, oh god, someone please write this because I don't have time. All that free time we said that we don't have is still valid.

Yeah, like why can there not be an eighth day in the week? Like, you know, we saved me 1/8 year stuff all the time. I just need an eighth day that we have time to do these things. But yes, but if any of you have any free time and you would like to write these things for us, please please, please, please write and send them to us. Oh, my goodness, and you're all so talented, and you're beautiful, lovely people. And it would be great to feature your golden work. So thank you in advance.

Oh, well so as sad as I am to bring this episode to a close hopefully we'll continue with the Arthur Lucius or at least we will add on our own you know in telegram that'll be super fun. Speaking of telegram, we have a telegram Care of Magical Shippers, Podcast telegram so at care of magical shippers. You can message us directly you can you can send us voice messages. We can send you voice messages back. It's Yeah. So yeah.

I didn't know we were that interactive, but I had no idea this was happening. I want to do that. Please send me voice. Please, please do that thing. Also sort of low key thinking maybe we should do more work shopping slash ideas based episodes in the future because this is really fun.

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Let's see. What are we doing? Don't know.

A you'll see the probably Lucius Arthur fics. Okay. Yeah. I think what we're doing next is Lily James Severus. Oh, I'm pretty sure Holy shit. I'm more excited about doing Now see, I love both.

I just want to do everything. Like to be honest with you, listeners. If I could get away with just doing this for my entire life. I would be so happy. I'd love to just do this. As it stands, we kind of have to adult and that's really sad. But tune in tune in next time for whatever it is that we decide to do. And until then, Look after yourselves. Be kind to one another and make magical math with your friend.

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