Cheers. Present number vote stones present number Charles Oakley absent Vice Chair
Roger theists
members, Senator Turner handy
present did you get that? Just ma'am. Also this chair we do have a quorum present.
Thank you, Madam Secretary. The minutes of September 12. Two Oh, may we have a well, I'll go through the the agenda really quickly. So we have a call to order and roll call adoption of the agenda. approval of minutes of September 12 2022. We have presentations from Mr. Robert Shelby air quality property tax coalition update, housing and revitalization department. Disaster Recovery funds and Detroit land contract buyer guide. Miss Karen awesome. We have unfinished business youth member status. Treasurer's Report. We have an update on district for ongoing issues, specifically flood and sewage backups. Environmental Justice FCA still and is planning the CAC community survey. We have new business. We have updates from the council woman's office and the Department of neighborhoods. We have public comment and adjournment. That's your agenda for the evening chair looks at motion for adoption.
I move that the agenda be accepted as written said that it's been properly
moved and seconded that the agenda for tonight's meeting be adopted as presented. You've heard the motion ready for the question? All in favor? Any opposed? All the polls are the same. Right? I said motion carries.
Thank you for that.
Okay. The minutes of September 12 2022. They were distributed well in advance of the meeting. The council members had a chance to review them. And if so, the Chair will accept the motion for adoption with any necessary corrections.
I'll make a motion
to adopt the minutes as presented with any amendments. Is there a second?
Member handy. I'm told that because you're not in person. We have the motion made and I was unaware of that. But
no, that is not true. Because we have been having virtual meetings for the last three years and we have moved all of our agenda items to those meetings. So that is not a true statement.
Well I'm taking I'm making an executive decision then and
and next up in your eyes either.
Exactly. So I'll accept your motion. Is there a second? I'll second the motion. It's been properly moved and seconded that the minutes of September 12 2020 To be accepted with necessary corrections. Is there any discussion?
All in favor? Aye.
Any opposed? eyes have it motion carries thank you council members for that. Great presentations. Hopefully our speakers are here Mr. Robert Showbie of air quality is here.
He's definitely not here and so what I might ask down to the end and if he doesn't, if he's not here after all the other presentations and I will give
Okay, that's fine. Without objection looking
at you guys. Oh, is that Mr. Shelby, how are you doing, sir? I'm pretty good and yourself. Good. Thanks.
Thanks for joining us this evening. In go right ahead, sir.
Wow.
We'll start off with me here.
We will speak on air quality. I guess the biggest thing I can do is speak about what's been going on over here. It's just the leftist facility for the last three years and are intended to last 15 months.
I'm just using this to show Can you guys hear Mr. Show? No,
I can do a TV and
I have my speaker my cell phone. Okay.
Okay now. TV. Okay,
Mr. Chau, thank you for your patience. Proceeding. I've just wanted to make sure to see what the room
is about to say I can basically just tell you about what's going on over here with this lattice facility. Yes. I don't know how many you guys know they've gotten another violation within the last week. It came up I believe Friday.
Air quality.
Go ahead. If you want to ask because I was going to tell you I like question format better than I do trying to sit up and just explain something to you that I go over all the time. And there's different questions that pertain to this if someone has questions. We open for that. I don't know how much time you guys out.
Well, we've got we've got about five minutes, mr. show for your presentation. So if you could squeeze your presentation and answer any questions in that timeframe we'd appreciate. I'd like to
pose a question since he opened it up for questions I liked about are some of the some of the health issues that Erica quality issues
Did you hear that Miss Shope must
be back just like with you. I just heard feedback. But there was he wanted to hear something about some of the issues with this delectus facility. I didn't quite get the total deaths
and illnesses associated
from the very beginning people with asthma, different breathing and respiratory issues and started out having more trips to the hospital and attacks and different things of that nature just saw getting. We still have some people who are more sensitive than others that are having more trouble than the average but it affects your body from from from your from headaches to your nose to your eyes to your chest to your stomach. I mean I've had different reactions at different times to different levels of being exposed to this type of pollutants. And some of them I wouldn't even care to explain to you just how bad it was. I have said it before but I really just was not comfortable even speaking I'm tired because I'm kind of a private person. But smell something immediate is unacceptable. And we've got to become conscious of what's really going on with our hair. You guys. Most of you live in District Four. So we live in a district where you should be talking about putting trees a quarter mile away from and doing something for the high school people we are being impacted and impacted by another back. No, we need to come together. You guys have ways that you can to try to get something immediate going you know, naturally you know I've been knocking on every door if there's any I don't know if that answers your question. If there's any others I'm right here
any other questions?
Mr. Mr. Shelby, have you guys considered setting up a meeting with the Air Quality Division? So the job and come up with a plan? How many violations God I don't get what the air quality does Virgin Mobile on?
That's a great question.
Um, some companies have gotten 100 violations without any movement. So you know,
but again, I'm going to ask them have you set up the meeting because they didn't get all the violations but if you haven't set up the meeting to determine how the Air Quality Division is going to move forward on this, or at least give them your concerns of how you guys want them to move forward. Then you're gonna get 105 violations with nothing being done.
Oh, good to jazz because you're preaching to the choir, in a sense, but what I will say to you is is that they have their policies and procedures. That's one of the things that we're working hard to change, you know, because there's a lot of things that seems to be out of their region in time that they have
no,
continue to put pressure on them. And to answer your question. Yes, we have made all about demands have made them aware of all of our demands, all of our requests, where we would like well, we wouldn't like I mean, I guess I can share with you guys, there was a list of maybe six things that they could have done for this, this particular SCP, and they chose the two less likely things chosen by the community. Do less likely things people want it with more trees and working on the school. That's cool has been gotten COVID money has been remodeled. It's already been done a lot of ventilation things and everything else. We don't have anything against the school. Naturally nobody's against that. But the point is, is they're not doing anything for the people to hear. And they are aware of all of this so you know everything that you're asking me they are aware of we have had conversation with them. And this is where we're at.
That's not but I didn't I that's not what I'm asking you I know that you have made known your demands. What I'm saying is, have you sat down with the Air Quality Division, the Air Quality Division can and the reason I say that only because I've done it and from that constant meetings with them, we were able to shut down the incinerator and we were able to have the incinerator. Find $4,500 For every day they were out of obtain man, but that came from engaging the air quality the vision here in Detroit, not in Lansing here in Detroit on the Boulevard, that Cadillac place.
I know Miss Wendling I also know the people in last and I've talked with all of them. I've been in meetings with all them attorneys have talked with them. Everything that you're asking has been done. I'm sure you you dealt with incinerate you know about Great Lakes legal, and they're involved in the
Great Lakes Environmental Law Center.
yeah
that guy
hope I answered your question but we've done that that's been done.
Now okay, cuz I want you to get
Okay, hello. Mr. Hello Can you hear me okay um you
never you that was it?
Okay. Hello, Mr. Shields. Just a question. Jocelyn Harris. I know you've the challenges of being in a neighborhood where everything's going on and lots of it. Not in the people's control. But my question to you is, could you clearly give us the what the neighbor said our I heard you say there was six things that the neighbors are demanding. And you got the least of those six things, which is more trees which was not a priority, and for the school to be fixed up. Would you share with us the other ask?
I do not have the list, but I can tell you what else
I think you may be on mute. We can't hear you now Mr. Mr. Show.
I'm not on mute.
Can you hear me? No I'm not.
I've unmuted myself again. I'm not on mute.
What to do hear I can hear you. Okay. Yeah.
Who else can hear but I'll ask her a question just for time sake. There's nothing else
Wow. This has been a rough day. And I have a lot going on see
when I apologize because I have a lot going on in different areas. And I can only say so much to certain people and all that so I have to be
guarded
I'm trying to get back there question. If you could help me out a little bit.
Okay. What was some of the other items that was on there? And if they can hear you, I'll write it down and get it into our minutes.
I can give you a few of them. I don't have the list, you know, but I do know that home improvement is making their home safe to live in Windows, roofs and ventilation systems, things of that nature. A relocation program. Naturally some form of alert monitoring, and those are the three that I can remember lawyer is got the list of they did the survey I just know that that part of the information
I got I wrote it down. Okay, I
heard you Dan. Oh, so mr.
show, Mr. Show, Mr. Jones, Mr. Jones. Thank you so much for more for taking the time to come in and give us information about the air quality as well.
Because the question I would ask you, Mr. Robert, you're actually doing a lot of work for the benefit of your neighbors and community. But could you say to us, you know de force CAC and all the all of our residences here. What is it that we can do to support this? How would you see a supporting this effort?
Well, one thing if you're in the community and you smell something, say something. And the only other thing and this is probably a little bit out at around because as you see with us going through all of this, they're continuing forward with this paint number Bureau and trying to fix other things up around here. Don't let anybody confuse blight with health and safety. Because we're running around here talking about blight when people are having issues. We have a health care fund that could use some of that money that's going into blight and destruction of properties and things of that nature. The demolition program enough has been done in those areas. And if you have any advocacy or whatever, I suggest you move forward in that direction
okay,
thank you so much for being here tonight. Sir. We appreciate your presentation and we'll do what we can as a CAC to certainly advocate on your behalf and on behalf of the community over here. Okay. Are there any other questions for Mr. Shogun? Off? Yes. In the meantime likewise. My question is from a community member, why can't we have poor air quality?
So are you are you referring to like them? Each resident purchase aircraft purifiers for the home? Oh, we can definitely do it. That's kind of like No, no Oh, no. I mean, a lot of us do have them. I live right across the street. So residents from doing that, but that's putting a BandAid on a cancer tumor. You know, like it could probably do. Quality expert by any stretch of the imagination, but as a layman, I do understand that. Air Purifier in my house is not going to mitigate the immediate everybody used together okay, and if I pay any other questions
Is that is that Mr. Sho me? Yeah.
I have a bunch of feedback. I'm late.
Well, we can hear you laughing.
Well, happier fires. Great. I was inside the house. It does you no good when things are coming through your windows, your roofs, your doors and every other crevice that there is so the houses need to be made safe. And they also need not an air purifying system. They need ventilation. The proper ventilation is vented properly so you can be sure that people are breathing good air.
Thank you. Immediately we sound like amongst us we have someone who has a lot of experience with this rcic member Sandra Turner handy. I don't know Sandra, are you amenable to having a direct contact with Mr. Shoots because it looks like you're involved in an effort with this incinerator and got a positive outcome. That's one thing I would think we should explore. Secondly and that
is also here somewhere
so people in our community are getting sick as a result of this situation. So I'm sure there's gonna be some action and outcome
I have no problem with with working with Mr. Shelby and others around this
as an advocate, okay, okay. Good.
Member Turner handy. English speaking.
I just said I have no problem with working with LB and other. I just have to make sure people understand that anything dealing with the environment takes a lot of years. It's not a quick it's about past
many years generator set down to get violations and all that stuff. Within three years. We've got the EPA in here on the title six. So you know we're doing the right things. And we definitely will we don't turn out any support. And I we study what you guys done. That's part of how we got to where we're at. We're not just making moves on and process involved in this. And I appreciate any input from anywhere that's positive.
All right. Sound good.
All right, sir. Well, thank you again for your presentation. We appreciate you being here and we expect to stay in the loop. Certainly, as it relates to some resolvable action that we can take. Or we can advocate for as a community advisory council, as well.
Yes. I would like to post a question. Has CMC saw the video that Mr. Shelby's testify testified before environmental
group in Washington DC
and for those of you who have not seen it, you guys should see that video and then let's come up with some suggestions on how to look for
because the chair of that group
is very upset about what is happening here in Michigan. And I think just brought you here to video and just from his words, get to give us some ideas on how to move forward we might need to do a letter writing. Send emails to him, that type of thing. But yes, please listen to that video. And then okay,
that's a great suggestion.
Thank you for that. Appreciate. Yes, ma'am. I would
second everything that wishes seen it, I think for this at her of what I would love to see or to get out is a list of the actions that our community needs to rally. So we're speaking in one voice, if there's a town of three, five, that's communicating. And then my question would be, what are methods that we can think about to expand the awareness and communication around this so my son goes to DEA, so there's a great opportunity to connect with, you know, from flyering families that are driving up and drive up and pick up drop off of the children over there. I know that we rally for the school. So I think there's a great opportunity for us to do some organizing and support and get more people behind this issue.
Thank you for that.
I asked her to repeat her
name Rihanna met with Thank you Miss medulla.
Appreciate your input. Okay. Is there any more discussion on the on the air quality agenda? Hearing none, thank you again, Mr. Shelby. We appreciate it and we will certainly do our due diligence and follow up and staying on top of this issue. Thank you, sir.
Next item is the property tax coalition update. Is there a presentation
come before us Yes, ma'am. Okay.
It's less of a presentation or more of just like an introduction. And I hope to get questions from the group. My name is Rhonda molasses I'm never ever been a surprise to her. But um, we have been actually in this district for coffee and stories. Some folks have been able to make it and so um, so we have been having these meetings because the coalition has three goals. The first goal is to stop over assessments. The second goal is to work on compensation for folks who have anyone who's been affected, whether it's foreclosure over assessment or taxation, all of the above. And then lastly, to stop all owner occupied home foreclosures. So, where we're at with those three goals is with the staffing and the over assessments. We are super excited to have ally ship with the Council of women's office and other council members and city council for our property tax reform ordinance. And so that is something that we're hoping really well, our committee of the coalition have recommended that so Hey, often says that this reform will help suture the wound right and so close it all the way not be a band aid fix, but when it comes to over assessments, like our properties need to be assessed that are proper and accurately it's detrimental when things like this is done wrong. So that's what the ordinance is. Hopa is hoping to address the issues that are very clearly leading to clerical errors for folks. Um, and so then once we can get that we want to go right into compensation. And so that brings me to some of my other updates, the copy and storyspaces where folks tell us every single month how exactly they want to be compensated, and right now we're working on a menu of compensate or many different levels of compensation for folks. The two things that are not included, but we want to make sure are part of it, because this is what community needs are direct cash payments and the property tax credits. And so we have been working just recently you caught our press conference with Nestle's office. And figuring out how you can get some legal opinions overturn that are not currently allowing for the cash compensation. People overpaid. They just want their money back. So that's what we're trying to do. That's all it is. And then for the last school, we have stopping foreclosures, so we do not want any other person any other family to have to see their home foreclosed on. We do not believe that any person that's on that list who is in a home there's there's another way and so that's what we want to work with the wayne county treasurer's office on on addressing so far during COVID We've been able to have these foreclosure moratoriums that have extended to keep people in their home. That is a band aid though, to be very clear. We are aware that that is a band aid as a coalition and so we're in conversations to continue to continue to address those issues. But overall, again, our set our three goals are to stop over assessments. Pay people back and stop foreclosures. So I'll take any questions. If there are
any questions, yeah,
well, of course, your website
you can go on and join the enjoying this initiative despite
Yes, so we do have a website but I will be honest with you and say we're trying to get it fixed. It's not that user friendly. So where I would say the best thing to do is to keep up to date with us is either with myself and we can exchange contacts and I can make sure to follow up with you. I lead all the organizing with the coalition and so I'm between myself or Jayla who's our digital organizer we make sure to keep community grounded. Um, but secondly to your point workbooks and follow up is on Facebook. Honestly, Facebook is the best place to catch us. So if you could join us on Facebook or you're on Twitter, on Instagram, that's the greatest places, but I would say the best way to contact the coalition is either through myself or with Jayla, um, so we can exchange that contact at
the end and we need it but my question is more centered around the fact that we have multiple groups often in our city doing the same thing. So I can throw out a name and just ask our is Agnes Hitchcock a part of
Yes, ma'am. Yes. So the coalition in the column our coalition has been able we have emerged or two groups like because we on different parts of the work we feel but Agnes has been a guest that coffee and stories I'm actually connecting with her this week. So we definitely tried to stay lock and stuff with the Commonwealth Coalition
for sure. Yes,
I want to know like, who in the city have you guys been talking to about the specifically the compensation for residents who've been over assessed and foreclosed on and then and then you know, how how has their response during that they've
been a minimal.
Yeah, so complex question. I think well, first, first things first, the people that we talk to most about presentation are the folks that need it. So I want to lead with that because our coffee and storage space has only been able to thrive because people have seen it as a space that they get actually get to tell us what they're looking for. So we've talked with that group a lot, because so far, we really haven't been able to make that much headway on compensation specifically. So the product the over assessment, the ordinance that I just mentioned, that one we've been able to really get a lot of traction behind. And it's something that doesn't because it's something that doesn't require monetary type of legislating. And I guess I'll leave that there. But with compensation, there's a lot of different things going on. So as it stands now, I'm council president Sheffield has been a big ally since the coalition's beginning to really try to get these conversations going. The biggest roadblock right now, however, is currently the assessor's office and the administration and it's just simply because they don't they don't look at compensation the way we do. So this is why I wanted to leave with the most conversations we have about compensation. Is with immunity because it really that's the only way we're seeing that we can influence the narrative is if we build enough people power behind some of the structure that we currently to get what we need
address yes
has the date been set yet? When Attorney General Dana Nestle is going to come down and meet with President
chef? Yes, so that meeting is going to be a coalition wide meeting. We are scheduling that for the October 17 at 4pm. Yep, that was the next Monday. So we're sitting now on a schedule for 4pm. That one will be a virtual meeting. And yes, we're super excited that we were able to get that type of conversation. Locked in before election night very busy. So for that, could you also
share with the neighbors
the location, the correlation have been having the coffee hours and let them know that you are getting posted on Facebook?
Yes, so December will be the next pocket stories that is held at the comments. And so that's 70 7900. Mac. I'm trying to think in many ways. So we typically wasn't there. Yet. Um, this upcoming trucking stories, we're actually switching it up a bit because it would have fallen on the fifth but that's get out the vote weekend. So we cannot do it that weekend. Um, we're gonna do it the weekend before so on the 29th and this time, we're actually going to be in district seven because we want to be able to connect with some folks in that area that have been asking us to come to that state that location specifically. So we'll be in district seven and for the upcoming ones, but our last one of the year will be at our normal stomping grounds over at the
Joanna what what
can we do immediately to bolster your efforts in terms of property tax changes and compensation things that need to be done? Perhaps sooner rather than later?
Yeah, I love the question. So a couple of different things. If you know someone please please please connect them to coffee and stores. I will hang back at the end of the meeting so we can exchange that concert. Or if you yourself have been impacted by foreclosure over assessment overtaxation, copying stories is the place to be. This is where we're developing a strategy space for community members. It's where community members directly weigh in on what the coalition is building and how we're building it. Um, and then from now until October 29. If you can join us on social media, whether it's by sharing some of the actions that we have on there, like the letter writing campaigns, a VESL, or it's the mayor urging him to push compensation goals I think in the media are the most important things that we have going on. And again, at the end, I can share all of that kind of digital things. So that
way Yeah.
Appreciate it. Any other questions? Okay, I think this
I'm not sure. Joanna, you want to take the question?
I don't want to don't quote me on the Coleman Youngsville. The new kit there's a there's a space in there. I forgot exactly. It's on the first floor. So you don't have to go and celebrate or anything but I'm forgetting exactly what it's called. I'm
tired or
oh I need so that I don't think that's the right thing.
That's gonna be a private company.
Okay, yeah. Yeah, I was thinking about the
title companies probably. Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much. Again, join us. We appreciate you being
here. The End All right. He was out of the room when I gave opening remarks. So we want to certainly again, thank Mr. Bernard Parker for hosting on behalf of the Brock leadership Barack Obama Leadership Academy, sir, thank you very much for being here. For those of you who don't know, Mr. Parker is certainly not a stranger to the Detroit community Eastside in particular, having served for years as a Wayne County Commissioner, and we're just glad to see him still doing his part for the community. Appreciate you.
Okay, moving on with the agenda, housing revitalization department, disaster recovery funds. Is there someone representative or who's going to present on that subject? This evening?
Yes, I'm online.
Oh, Miss ya, sir.
Yes. Hi, how are you, Mr. Green?
Good. Good.
Shall
I just take it away?
Okay.
Thank you all here.
Let me turn you up a little bit. Miss Weiss, Nicole Weiss for those in the room. Go ahead.
Okay, thank you so much. And I apologize for not being in person today. I'm actually going in between another meeting and this meeting. So I have about about 10 minutes that I can kind of talk a little bit about the disaster recovery funds with you all, and maybe have a little bit of time to answer a couple questions. So my name is Nicole wise. I'm the Chief Operations Officer for HR D. And the reason why HR D is involved is because HR D is the administrator of the HUD funds for the city of Detroit. So in relation to the disaster recovery funds, we are ultimately responsible for submitting all of the required documentation so we can access the funding and then we will oversee some of the compliance side of the grant. So just to give you guys a little bit of context of what's happening, we have two public hearings next week. Really encourage you all to come out and provide feedback during those public hearings. There's one at six o'clock on Monday. That is a city wide downcast. We will have a full presentation that will answer a lot of the questions that I think you have this evening and unfortunately, we just don't have the time to go through today. But we will have an in depth conversation then presentation and then time for feedback and questions. We will do the same thing on Wednesday at six o'clock on the D for downcast so if you can please share that information. I will also put the link to the disaster recovery webpage in the chat and I'll ask councilmember Johnson's team to share the link with the team with your with you all as well so that you can access it. The presentation is already on the site as far as the slides are so you can preview the slides and come prepared with questions or comments. And then you'll actually have the full action plan. That's draft in draft form on the website that you can review as well. And links to the HUD regulations. If you're a nerd like me, and you'd like to take a deeper dive and really understand that information. So to give you a little bit of background of how we got this money, so this is not a typical HUD allocation like we get normally every year our regular CDBG funds CDBG DR is really a result of an annual congressional appropriation. And it's usually allocated to most presidentially declared disasters, which in our case is what we had in June of 2021. I'm sure that most of you are more than familiar with what happened as you were the ones who were dealt with those issues when that when that storm occurred. And so as a result, what what the HUD money is, is it comes in after response money. So when we think about response money, we think about FEMA, we think about that immediate Red Cross funding, the HUD CDBG. Dr. Is recovery funding. So it's that money that comes in after the response to help us get our community back to where it was pre disaster. And so these funds HUD is now asking us to end March of 2022 HUD did notify the city that we were eligible to receive an award of these funds. And so Detroit is a little under 58 million, eligible for a little under under 58 million. Since then, HR D has been working closely with our partners at DWR. See, to put together all of the information that's needed in order to access the funds. This includes just certain policies and procedures that HUD requires certain forms and then this action plan. And so the action plan is actually due to HUD on November 14. We started our 30 day public comment period on October 4, and that is where we're at in the timeline regarding being able to access the funds. Now, this is important, because all of this feedback is actually submitted with the action plan and reviewed by HUD as well. So if there are questions, comments, things like that, we'll answer them via email at the disaster recovery at Detroit mi.gov. If you have accessibility issues where email is just not your thing, you can also call in or mail you can call the department at 313-224-6380. And you can leave a verbal comment with one of our administrative staff and they will log that comment or you can come to the public hearings that we just mentioned next week. Those public hearings will be recorded. If you're unable to make them they will be recorded. They will be placed on the website. You can go in and view those later and still have time to send your feedback via those other avenues that I just suggested. So that's that's where we're at now.
Again, we'll go into a deeper dive of how we're proposing to use the money. Why were those types of things during those public hearings but if you'd like to look at that presentation in advance, it is online right now for you to look at. It's in also in three other languages. If you have any of your the residents in the community who need access to that. It should all be on the website. And if it's not if there's something that's missing, again, you can email that disaster recovery at Detroit mi.gov. So I hope that was a good interview or overview of what we have coming next week. I'm hoping to see folks on the call. And with that, Mr. Green, I can open it up for any questions related to to the public outreach. Okay.
Miss Butler, you have a question.
Like, when you say recovery funds, these residential recovery funds.
Did you the question is why?
I did. So I think what what she was asking was Are they for residential, residential. Recovery funds. So hot actually has three eligible activities. They have housing, economic revitalization and infrastructure. Those are the three eligible activities
for HUD. Oh, is
that going to help us? I mean, we need a little bit more explanation.
Yes. So the public hearings next week will provide all of the in depth information on how we plan to use the funds and why. So I would recommend that you attend those meetings. And at that time, we'll have a very in depth conversation about the data, the information, eligible activities, things of that nature, and then at that time, you'll be able to provide that feedback. And if you are interested in that information in advance, you can go online to get access to that. That those slides now and I'll actually I'll share them as well with you all so you have a direct link so you can share it with the group. Okay,
so if it's residential, can you just give us at least one example of a recovery for a resident just one example.
Yes, of course. So hard requires that the funds tie back to the disaster itself. So it has to be it could be a repair that is impacted that was something in the house that was impacted or that caused the that which resulted in the disaster. So for our in our case, it was flooding. So when we talk about repairs related to individual households, they have to tie that back to that disaster. So there could be a repair in the home. As it relates to what the flooding the flooding caused an issue. That needs to be repaired. Okay, thank you. You're very welcome. Ms. Weiser. I'm sorry. Ms. Ayers,
Ms. Why's that public hearing is getting next week. Can you give me the date and time again?
Absolutely. And I'll share the flyer with you all. I think, Mr. Trey Scott, I'll get that information to him to share with everyone. Next Monday, and it's virtually via zoom. It is at 6pm. Okay, yep. That's the 17th I believe and then the night to Wednesday, the same time 6pm And that also was on the flyer so you have the zoom information on the flyer that you could share with the with the residents at the meeting today.
All right, thank you very much. And again, the if we want to get a preview of some of the things that are going to be highlighted that's available on the city's website. Those slides are available for review, right?
That's correct. So I'll I will drop the direct links in the chat. And then I'll also ask Mr. Scott to email out to the group as well, if that's possible.
Okay. Thank you very much. Council are there any other questions for Miss wise Yes? Okay Hello, we can
be excited to know that the end goal
this practice is
here, I'm sorry, Miss Harris. I cannot hear anything you're saying right now. It's breaking up.
I can hear her we can hear. She's muted
that's why I can you that money would door people back to blood stain.
Yes, so the definition of recovery for the CDBG Dr. Program is to address the the impact of the disaster to restore jobs, homes, infrastructure to the pre disaster the way that it was pre disaster
that answer your question member Harris.
Just a little more. Okay, well look. Yeah, thank you. No worries. We're gonna do our due diligence. The community is in a very stressful situation. And so glad our government is responding to this stress. But we're going to work backwards to help our government accomplish the goal, as we understand it to be to bring residents back to pre flood. wholeness. Thank you so much.
Great, thank you and I look forward to seeing you all next week for sure. Any other questions for me? Mr. Green?
I don't see any in the room. Any council members have questions at all? And let me check the chat right, quickness wise. I don't think there's anything there. Okay, I think we're all set then Ms. Wise, we really appreciate the information that you've shared this evening. We will get the word out about next week's public hearings. And we will be in attendance. Thank you very much.
Thank you so much. I'll post those things in the chat now and then we'll also get an email out to you.
Okay, thank you very much. Thank you.
Appreciate it. Okay, moving on. Thank you for that. Next item on the agenda is the Detroit land contract buyer guy, Miss Karen odsonne. Is she in the room? Oh,
right here Sure.
Turn the camera your way. Thank you, man. Appreciate that.
All right. Hi, everyone. My name is Karen OxiClean. I am a project manager that works with whoever. I'm finally I'm here today just to make you aware of course. Detroit land contract buyer guide. We've got physical copies of the buyer guide there in the back so everyone can take one if you'd like. They're also available at www dot Detroit land contract help.com. So all the digital versions are there as well. But this is a guide that was created in partnership with the city of Detroit Mayor's office and Enterprise Community Partners. I'm sure many of you are aware of what a land contract is. But for those of you who are not a land contract, sometimes called the contract for deed is a way to purchase a home it's a legally real estate transaction. It's legally binding, where a buyer pays for the for a seller for a home and monthly payments over time. But they don't get the deed until they've made all of those payments, which could be years of time. But while they're paying off the home, and while they still don't own the home, they often have all of the responsibilities that a regular homeowner would have which are typically paying property taxes and doing the home repairs, which puts them in a kind of risky position. Because at any time they could lose the home and lose all of the investment that they've put into the home. If they for example, Miss one payment or violate the contract at any time. And unfortunately, land contracts have a long and Ongoing History of exploitation in the city of Detroit and across the country, particularly in black neighborhoods, where predatory sellers have intentionally structured the deals to fail. So that they can take that home back and just do it again to someone else. And so that's why we created this guide was because there's been a resurgence of the use of land contracts. They became extremely popular earlier. 1900s With the advent of explicit explicitly racist when lending practices but then again, there was a wave of time after the subprime mortgage crisis when people were not able to qualify for mortgages as much and now we may see it again with home prices jumping so high and interest rates rising and people losing income because of the pandemic. So we're trying to get ahead of that by just educating people more about what land contracts are and what are the right questions to ask. Because while they are, too often extremely predatory, they are one of the only only pathways to homeownership while there's still a serious lack of mortgage financing in Detroit, and if you can't pay for a house in cash, which most people can't, if you can't get a mortgage, one of your only options is to go through a land contract unfortunately, and so a lot of people are using them. We've also seen them being used in positive ways by a lot of community based organizations throughout Detroit. Some examples of organizations that offer what we call supportive land contracts that are not predatory, that tend to result in homeownership, but bridging communities has done a lot of them. And so it's not impossible to become a homeowner with a land contract. You just have to really be on the defense and ask the right questions. And make sure that you're entering into a fair deal. There's really a lack of regulation around their contracts, which is another issue that we're working toward. But while you're working toward legislation, we can all be prepared to ask the right questions. And make sure that we're able to spot a predatory deal before we actually sign the paper. And if you've found yourself in a predatory deal, you can still make your Trent your contract safer for yourself. So this is a pretty long guide it's split into two parts. The first part is really detailed explanation of all the stages of buying a land contract we talk about what what happens before you buy what do you need to ask what are the potential risks and pitfalls? What are the predatory scans to look out for? And then we can talk about signing. What happens at signing
immediately after signing? What do you need to do during the agreement emerge more successful and what to do once you finish the agreement and get the deed and all this detail is really audience for the Detail section. And more for housing counselors and advisors because it's really dense. Most people want to read through it. Where contracts are tricky because it's in the details. Where you get you know. So buyers can certainly read us a thing or two but we're hoping that housing housing advisors would learn more about land contracts to the US side. And then toward the end. There are some step by step guides which are more focused on simpler takeaway worksheets for buyers. So you can prepare the sheet for every stage of the process that across the person to ask the right questions and think of potential pitfalls. So for example, before signing, doing your research so one of the questions is who is the owner of this property? Sometimes the person that is selling you the land contract doesn't actually own the property. So you need to build that before you actually go on there. Are there liens on the property yes or no? And so there's a red like stop signs or things that might be a red flag. So just stop and check. Make sure everything's still okay and where to find information. And throughout the guide, there are contacts or legal assistance, free legal assistance, where to find all this information where to check on the taxes and liens how to file the register the land contract, and basically how to do everything you can to make sure that you're getting into a club land contract and out of that one and all of this is online at Detroit land contract help.com as well where you can get copies of the full guide as well as the worksheets just one at a time and here in Spanish and English. I just put that everybody takes one of these guides and shares the information. So that you know when anybody is you hear of anybody, you know getting into a land contract. Okay,
I have to ask some
questions before I proceed. Any questions?
Thank you miss out on any questions in the chat. Let me check that real quick. Okay, some folks had trouble hearing you miss it and
learn more about this. If you put in the chat website.
Yeah. The link to the guide is already in the chat. Okay, great. Okay. Any questions for Miss Dotson?
Just a comment. You've absolutely hit one of the rural areas that's causing people a lot of stress. And so the guide is a good opportunity to look at it but I've been on save somebody a lot of stress.
You know, here when I'm talking, they just talk and then proceed.
Thank you very much, ma'am. Appreciate. Thank you. Okay, we are now at unfinished business. The youth member Charles will remember of I'm sorry to report council members that Mr. Oakley has been largely unresponsive. He is as I understand it, working a job with conflicts with his ability to be diligent and in attendance at our monthly meetings. He did not attend school today. So I did not have a chance to really sit down with him and talk to him. He has not attended one meeting since he's been sworn in I believe he was actually sworn in in July. And no there was some delay when we were all seated in around February so there was some some problems with getting him sworn in. And the delay took so long we couldn't get him until July. So at this point I'm at a loss, quite frankly, to explain to your satisfaction or to the mind quite frankly what the next steps really should be other than replacing him with with another youth member. So that's really, as I see it. That's our only option. At this point. I'm sure there's many other worthy and well qualified youth who would jump into this opportunity. I thought he was he came highly recommended. And I am again, it is unfortunate that he has not made himself available or provided really much of an explanation as to why he's not. I've offered to go getting bring him to the transportation was an issue at one point. I'd imagine is still is so but he has me to depend on that for him. And again, he's been largely unresponsive so I would encourage any of the council members or the council woman herself or her staff to that we need to probably seek an alternative at this point and get that person identified and sworn in as quickly as possible. Councilwoman, do you you see any foresee any problems from a charter mandate responsibility for the Sandpoint in getting that Charles Oakley replaced?
I don't believe so. But I was just wondering if the charter speaks to not attending a certain number of meetings where they can be resolved automatically. Just
three meetings, I believe. Yes.
So then they've been removed because he has not shown up and he has not reported it.
Right? That's correct. So So is that removal? The question is then, is that removal automatic? Or is that is that a vote of the Council of the CAC to affect that
in the charter that speaks to three three absences and they are removed as a result. Of not showing up I see what he's saying but the charter is the default. So if he has not shown up for three meetings, then he should be automatically removed. I can share the information with the clerk's office to let them know that he has not been present. Okay, and then the body can move forward. On appointing someone else or identifying other young people to a point.
Okay, thank you, man for that. And so just to make it official, Charles Oakley having missed three meetings of the CAC, after having been sworn in, is hereby removed as a member of the CAC district for
any objection at all. Okay, all right.
Thank you for that Councilmember. Appreciate that.
I have a comment, as
well. The fact is that when we look around us, and reality is somebody's doing demographics on our community. And there absolutely is the 18 to 44 year olds, you know, we've got a big population of young people. Just sidenote, I left three of them in my basement. Okay, and I bet if anybody here thought about it, you've got some of them at home somewhere, a child, a grandpa child or something. And so as a community, we're going we're really in a bad shape when our young people are not being prepared to take our places. So I don't know I'm a grandma. So I'm very intimidating. I have a car. And so I had three people commit to come to next month's meeting. Understand that they won't be able to drive the car. Even though their license. They will be at next month's meeting. Now I also putting in a suggestion that might that would have to go through the, to the charter, you know, because all of us probably parents and teachers, you know, it's hard for a young person to come along alone. Think how intimidating it would be for them to come before us and feel like they are really representing, you know, their their peers. So I did put in the last meeting, your recommendation that we look at a charter revision that would maybe look at a team with a mentor as opposed to a one standalone person. But in the meantime, I don't know. This my suggestion, we need to get some of those young people out of our basements. That's in our refrigerators seemed by any means necessary, and I'm just talking off the walls of Burma. To get some of them here to these meetings so they kind of get acclimated to come out and taking the seats. Rightfully member enticing encouraged.
Member Turner handy. Yeah. Do you have your hand raised? Your mute muted Sandra?
Yes, at the last meeting, we did have a conversation around maybe Vice President. Yes, reaching out to Mr. Oakley to find out what the challenges were beyond the fact that he worked at this time with this challenge in itself, but to see how we could assist him in some kind of manner, but if, I mean, if he asked to join by phone if he's at work, and he can join by phone or virtually somehow, he still would be at the meetings. But that was left as unfinished business for us to talk about today of reaching out to him and maybe seeing how we could see what the challenges were. I don't like the idea that we immediately want to just kick them out without finding out what the challenge
well actually, actually remember Turner handy that I'm seeing Charles every day at the easting was village preparatory cat. So and I'm constantly in his ear and talking to him about the CAC. He initially tells me he's, he wants to participate. And when the meeting comes, I'm telling him hey, I'm coming to get you and then he tells either he doesn't answer my calls or texts. hides from me in the school. And then And then he's unavailable because he's working. So I I think I've done personally I've done all I can to really engage him No, have
you asked him what the problem is?
Ask. It has been his work. He's told me his work schedule, which he did not have a job, quite frankly, he did not have a job when he was selected. But he did get a job subsequent to that. I think he got the job during summer vacation and he's been working that since he's returning to school. So in my opinion, that's a very legitimate reason that he can't be in attendance. I don't think that I think it's a restaurant job. So I don't know that he would have the flexibility to actually attend our meetings and work at the same time. And then, you know, then again, it's it's the overall interest or lack thereof, that I'm troubled by, you know, because it's me, I'm primarily the one that's initiating conversation about it. When I do see him, there's no mention of it. And as really not much of a response when I engage him about it, other than Hey, I have to work so. So at this point, I think it's it really is a moot issue because it's the decision has been been made and without objection from the council, so I think it would behoove us as a body to move forward with another zoo doodycalls Dre.
My comment for that? Yes, man. Okay, being a great grandmother. Okay. And working with my young people at Denby. And in my community. I would think that we would use this as a learning process for us when we bring on another young person, find out how we can support that person and being a member of this body couldn't agree more. could not agree. Yeah. So I think that we need we need to show that support as the adults in the room.
Absolutely. Totally agree with you. Okay, and then we need to have a really frank conversation about the, you know, the expectations and requirements and and the, the the obligation that comes with the with the with the position, it's not just something that you know, it's it's a working position, you know, yeah. And then but we really need and no and Charles again, he came highly recommended. You know, he was he was I didn't know him personally, prior to really meeting him and spending a whole lot of time with him when his name came up, but he's, he's been a leader in his own right in the school to some degree. And we had all the faith and confidence in the world in him that he was going to be able to step up to the position so it did not pan out the way we expected and so we have to move forward at this point.
I just want to make a common engagement in the basement. So a couple of days I will say. I agree that the decision right now is maybe to dismiss him with the option to come back and I would recommend that before considering another candidate that you do a charter revision.
I was right that's gonna take some time.
But now recommend, and these are just recommendations we can do. What you have to do. Getting you to come to meetings like this. It's going to be very difficult and getting them to stay engaged. So my recommendation or how you revisit engaging with you long term, is it a coalition of youth and maybe change how many leaders they have to attend and then also look for meetings in which they may be able to lead or think about how they are specifically contributing to the needs of AI in the autonomous been working with you coming to meetings like this where they're sitting down, it's more school, and they definitely don't want to do that. Exactly. So the organizations that seem to be successful in engaging our young people, meet them where they are, and I think that's going to be how this group passes the baton and get them engaged right now. So I know that's gonna take some time to do a charter revision, but I think amending the requirement for them to be there. So like my son couldn't do with a visa for sure. And so he is not choosing us and there was an option for him to engage in other ways, or Mason's engaged in community service projects that are the priorities of the CHP do some flyering go to some of the community events. There are opportunities especially for those being driven around for them to get involved. So I know that the revision takes some time. But this young man if he had an interest, I would definitely as we go through that process, and we'll get a way to make it more conducive for children, families to be involved. And if there's an opportunity to find some way to incentivize their involvement.
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for that. Thank you. I'll be calling you. I mean,
what's the age right,
sir, the age ranges from I believe it's 14 to 17 or 18. is pretty much high school ninth to 12th grade, and it's a one year commitment. Yes.
Yep. Okay.
Thank you for that.
Okay. Miss Bala.
That was more of a charter. And the three habits is not a bad thing. That's
We just got to work on how we get the next person without just putting them into something
that they may not understand fully. And in all fairness, like I said before I'm looking at the chat. I'll answer that question in a minute cookie. Yeah, he at the time when he when he was selected, he was gung ho really was interested. excited about it. The delay was the swearing in and then he got the job. And so I think, you know, Eddie been sworn in sooner rather than later in the year. He would have at least attended Yeah, yeah. And I think but when he got the job that pretty much you know.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah, no, just the question cuz no, no. Do they have any form of civics or students Sam? Oh FurReal Subaru government in the schools?
Absolutely. Yeah. Yes, there is a they have civics and government classes. In the 10th grade. Charles is in the 11th or 12th. Now. So he would have already had civics and government. And there's also a Student Leadership Council and easting was village preparatory. So every grade level has its own few students in that think he's on it for the 12th grade. And so again, that was why he was you know, highly sought after as well because he was seen already as as a leader type. Okay, awesome. Cookie. You asked him if do the youth get any school credit for their position? Nothing on their transcript, but they are encouraged to do a certain amount of community service back in the day. High school students had, I think earned 200 hours of community service, that is no longer a requirement to get a diploma in the Detroit Public Schools community district so but they they are certainly encouraged to work in the community and, and be involved and we highlight as many students as we possibly can through our various local neighborhood organizations. Okay. Hope that answered your question. Okay, moving on. So we'll work diligently the next couple of months or so to hopefully maybe have a viable candidate for the youth position, hopefully by the next meeting, and we may we kind of have some offline conversations council members, between meetings to show that process Thank you. Treasurer's Report. Member Harris Thank you
Please didn't get passed out on so maybe, like uncommon even as your ad sets been passed out, you know, the charter does not. And I put at the bottom there's nothing tells what the treasurer is supposed to do. But we making some assumptions, you know, so a treasurer without any money. No Treasury is doing what I've been doing for the last meetings. Zero. Okay. So now, so now we gotta get too into the weeds of things because nothing works without money, but we all agree. So the charter says that rcic can not receive any city funds, but may accept donations and or grants in accordance with the federal state, law or code. That's what it says. So we tried to stay with the rules. So based on the rules, we can get donations grants, to stay within the boundaries, donations and grants. So go back up to the top here and it says that I'm just saying that it looks like and we need to begin and this is all a draft sport conversation to begin the conversation. Okay, the first thing we've got to do is get with the appropriate entity to establish the process. We're by we can establish where the money is gonna go. Okay, we got to follow the rules. So I put some open parentheses here. So now we for sake of time, how can we hear from our city council person? Because in so many words, we've got to identify a process would you see yourself our city councilwoman Johnson having a hand in this establishing how are we gonna get our webinar on how are we gonna get money or where were we gonna put the money once we get it because we could have been selling peanuts and collected 10 dot $10 today, but the question is, where are we gonna put the money when we get it?
You want to respond or no?
Effectively you want to identify a nonprofit organization that will be willing to accept the money and effort to do here is
a nonprofit organization. Act is our fiduciary.
Okay,
so that's it to do as we're going through this conversation. Okay, then. So we're gonna get acquisition at the money place to be positive and the use of funds for we look at and is it possible that we have established a fundraising committee?
Yes. Okay.
Let me ask a better question. When any of you be willing to be on the fundraising committee thank you so much English, your name. Okay. We know we don't need one on one person why please ever get any money and we start being Miss Clark start doing our thing. You're gonna question every dollar. So please think about to being involved. Okay, going on to number three. We have some immediate needs. You know, everybody's been using their own computers and printers and paper and ink. And I guess I'm just going through the list and how you want to do a chair when you print the supplies. We need business cards as CAC members. So when somebody asks Who are you, it can be in writing with your group. This is your report member here. Okay, so then also we need some uncommon introduction cards. A lot of people don't even know we exist, what we do or not. Some people call it a kicker card. I don't know what we got to call it but we need something. So they're sitting out on their counter every time we you know, all of our community even can take them and say do you want to know we got it CAC and here's what they do. Okay, awesome or brochures. That further explains what we do by charter. at every meeting, if we've got debt, people that are are diabetic, they can't afford to sit through a two hour meeting with no water no it's not. So we need some refreshments so I'll get right to eat too. But anyhow, we need refreshments for our monthly meeting. And then the facility thank you so much as governor Parker for donating their facility and spend your time and you don't have to but the reality is we should leave something behind a donation we've been a lot of churches, and I'm certain Dennis you chime in on this saying that maybe we should have left them a donation as opposed to this opening up. Non heat in the air conditioner and then we leave it to the end of the day. Yeah, like a like a love like a love offer a love offer. Okay. So, basically I put this together as draft for discussion. So we we know we got to fill in the blanks while we're meeting.
Oh, question number one was the computer and printer. Where, where's the where's the computer and the printer is going to be located.
Just that suggestion with our secretary who handles the understanding
so yeah, so yeah, so I guess I guess that was just justice, my wife for the computer printing and printing and printing supplies. That was just my that was my one concern. But it seems like everything else. Item C D, E and F. We would have the font we would have to fundraise for it to get up to get out other stuff or reach out to or reach out to a nonprofit to see if they're willing to assist.
So what I hear you saying everything that's listed there cost money. So unless somebody was to donate it, or allow us to access it, then yeah, everything costs money. So what was going to happen after we come to consensus as to what we need, then we have to do a cost out so we can come up with a budget for our initial costs.
Okay. Any other comments, suggestions, deletions.
CAC could also receive funds from foundation
foundation.
Grants. Yes.
Right. So I would think that a grant would be one of the main ways to go, but the question would be
what, how would you present this
grant to the proposal right? To a Kresge Foundation or whatever. When we are all getting a second CAC so maybe the Delta to find out how we can actually approach of course the foundation or one of the foundations to get the money, made it might be that once we get it done, they will continue to fund but that's going to be something unusual for them. Yeah. See, proposal ask them for you know,
I would, I would thank you for that Miss Butler. That's that raises a kind of concern, I guess, a question in my mind. As it relates to, you know, I don't have very much experience with grants and but I've been a part of them here and there over the years. And there's something known as well, most proposals that I've been familiar with, don't want to make it appear that you are enriching yourself. And that not that that's what we're proposing here at all. I don't I don't think that's we're trying to get the tools that we need to better serve the community and be more efficient and effective as a CAC, I believe as the the the thrust, if you will, but I would, I would. I don't know if this is possible. Maybe the council woman can maybe chime in on this but is it possible to get some, some guidance from research and analysis as to what we can actually do legally? And how we can best go about getting the funds but I guess I'd rather measure twice and cut once rather than sort of play attorney and come up with a plan and actual ironclad plan and then get tripped up on the legalities of what we're trying to do. Now, this all makes sense, and I believe there was a former Councilman CAC member who actually did have business because I think Bowman, I saw Scotty Bowman with some business cards at some point I could be mistaken. And Scotty, if you're on if you could chime in on that, that will be helpful. My question would be if you did have business cards were they paid for by your by yourself? Or was that city funded? Or just what was the case? Are you this guy? Yes, I
am. I paid for them myself.
Okay. And and those had the city sealed and everything on him.
Yes. Okay.
And who authorized that? I did. Did you you didn't need city approval to use their their
voters? The voters approval. I was elected as chairperson, that community advisory council. The Charter says that we do not have any money from the city that we can fund things ourselves, which is exactly what I did. Okay.
Okay, so by virtue of your election as a CAC, member and Chair Okay, all right. So donation himself. Yes. So he invested in his own business guys say? Yeah, that probably was reportable under campaign finance. Yeah. So, okay. All right, Scotty, you I may have to have a offline
job. I wasn't the candidate when I when I did that.
You were you were an actual council member, right? CAC member
right so I printed cards identify myself as a council member with my contact information. Just like every other elected city official has business cards. With the city logo and their contact information and their office.
Okay. And was that expense? Did that expense have to be reported on your campaign finance report?
It wasn't part of the campaign.
Okay, all right. Okay.
Thanks, sir. We'll probably be talking just to get some more insight on this. Going forward very soon. Member Harris,
you know, to write a grant, proposal writer.
Yeah. Okay.
I'm gonna ask this question. So glad that our custom woman is here. Because all of us had the ability to fundraise. Is fundraising a part of this? Can we do fundraising?
You can as long as you have the
funds go to the nonprofit organization.
Okay, so
as you know what we need now some people would call it seed money. We need seed money, meaning that we just need an initial startup cost like you would do in a business. So again, thank you so much for volunteering to be a part of the fun of the Treasury fundraising committee. But we will we will need at least one more person. So by the next meeting, we'll want to have answers to the question. We're gonna look for a fiduciary. That's a nonprofit. We're going to take all the items is listed as a part of our budget items that are needed and come up with projected costs. And then we're going to come up with ideas for fundraising. Is that okay? I want to put that
question motion are still discussing.
I think we need to put some more meat on the bone member Harris quite frankly. I really do. I don't think this is going to be like a really, really quick turnaround not trying to I know we've talked about it for months now. But I think we're just kind of getting our bearings such that you know, we're almost ready to proceed. But I just really want to do it very cautiously and carefully. So that we're doing it right. And I hope you can appreciate that. So I'd want to get some input from whatever experts that are maybe perhaps in the city's apparatus to help us along this way. Because and I don't know if district seven has any sort of apparatus set up yet. So we really can't rely on them here.
I know district seven chairperson brought everybody in business cards. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, hey,
I'll look into it. So we'll, we'll see what we can do. And yeah. And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, not to necessarily change horses right now. But in terms of promoting our selves, as a council, I believe could be mistaken. But back in before the summer, I believe there was an email that I saw from someone in the city at maybe the clerk's office asking for our BIOS, and a picture for the website was the city's website. I do believe I saw that yeah, there was and so it was somebody in the clerk's office. So if we could do that, while we're trying to work on this, that'll go a long way toward promoting ourselves as a CAC and let the community know more about us individually and collectively. Okay, that makes sense.
Yes. Okay. All right.
So we'll, we'll start with being able up at a time sometimes. We don't want this to take years no, no. So we'll produce a timeline by the next meeting, and hopefully, we at least have one step. God would the city experts. Yeah, step one. And we'll have a timeline for the next meeting.
And maybe even a fiduciary or nonprofit identified Okay. Got it. Any other parameters or input from the councilmembers?
No, not from me. Okay.
All right. Any question, Miss Butler?
No. And I would say they can't roll that. Hopefully, by January 23. You will have that funding in place.
And I want to add
something else to that.
I was listening to Roland Martin today, before I came here and he was talking about how we actually put in a push on our eternities and sororities in our country that have not given back to the black community. So I think that might be an avenue where we ask them for some funding. Find our CAC.
So fraternities and sororities are not technically there. They're nonprofits but they are under they're not 501 C threes. Many of them have a 501 C three associated with them. So my fraternity Alpha Phi Alpha has the gamma lambda Educational Foundation. So it's really focused primarily on education, and scholarships. Fraternities and sororities, fraternal societies are under 501 C eight there. Those are those that's the IRS designation for those types. So I don't know if they would be the best fit for actually, you know, our purposes but, but your but your comment is well taken. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you for it.
So one thing you find out that we need to find out if you wrote a proposal to upgrade it or whatever. How would you do for the UI? Right? Because they thought we never had gotten ahead because we do have a C C. So we need to find that out how to do that. And that was choose, Robert. I agree. Because once they you know, they get it they do it one time. For us. You know you can do if you could just ask them to do it before you ask more than once, and then we'll be good to ask them and they'll make a
friend in the company.
Yeah, okay.
Okay, well, thank you for that. Any other discussion on the treasurer? We have our pretty much our mandates and responsibilities duties and to do to get done by the between now and the next meeting and certainly by the end of this year, and into January. So we'll get we'll continue to work on that. What I want to do now is I really want to move our council woman and Mr. Perkins up in the agenda. So because they we spent a lot of time on these others. I'm going to come back to those are I want to move her up now. Mr. Johnson, if you can come now and present whatever's on your heart and followed by our deputy district manager. Mr. Parks.
Everyone. I am going to talk quickly just because of the hour, but try not to talk too quickly. So first, I want to start off by saying thank you to all of you to the FCA NAC to Mr. Chau to all of the residents throughout District Four, they have been extremely vocal about the challenges they've been having with FCA and as a result of how vocal and the work that you all have done on the ground. I was part of a meeting on Friday that talked about the supplemental environmental project that FCA has agreed to do for the community. But Mr. Chau mentioned that six of the items that were presented to them, they chose the two that were the lowest line. I reached out to Mr. Software today. He and I are going to connect tomorrow to have a meeting so we can discuss changing those two items to be something that is more in the interest of residents in the community. So if Mr. shelf is still on, I want to make sure that I get all six of the points that were presented. To them and have that conversation with some lenses. I also had a conversation with Creo this morning, talking about everything that the community has experienced from Cilantro is and Ms. Butler pointed out the fact that the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency has been very supportive of holding Samantha's his feet to the fire. And so we're going to have a conversation with Eagle and come together to reach out to the EPA for the EPA to push at a federal level to make sure that the Lantus is doing right by our community. And so I want to make sure I stay in touch with the NAC and Mr. Chau especially because I know he's been extremely vocal on the ground and sharing information and making sure that everybody knows the challenges that they're having in the community. But just to make sure that I'm staying connected and I'm aware of the issues and can work to resolve the issues in a way that is palatable for the community that really addresses the community's concerns. I also want to I believe, try and post it in the chat. Tomorrow is a huge vote for city council. I'm believing it's happening tomorrow. I have not heard that it is not. But tomorrow we are voting on ShotSpotter ShotSpotter is audible technology that reports a gunshot like sound to the Detroit Police Department and then the Detroit Police Department responds to it. We in our office have put out a survey a very simple survey just asking people whether or not they support the expansion of ShotSpotter technology. It is currently in the eighth and part of the ninth precinct in the city of Detroit. According to the police department, they've gotten over 300 some odd guns off the street, but there's there are a lot of concerns about ShotSpotter technology and whether that is going to put more police officers in our communities. Some people believe that it is racist technology. And there are a number of concerns. So we wanted to make sure that the community had the ability to chime in to whether or not they support the expansion of the technology. It will go into roughly 28% of the city. I'm not really sure how many precincts that is but it will cover about 28% of the city and then the police department I believe is expecting or interested in growing the technology throughout the city of Detroit, but it all hinges upon the vote that we take tomorrow. There is a cost of $7 million dollars for two years for the technology. So just want you all to be aware and if you would please complete the survey that we have. There was also a program today that was announced with several of my colleagues a jumpstart program because several people said well, why don't we spend the money on this? Or why don't we spend the money on that one thing I want to share and I tried to continue to say this is that city council does not have the ability to take money from one department and provide it to another department. And so my ask has always been if you say no to ShotSpotter What would you like the police department to spend the money on?
We know that we need affordable housing we know that we need mental health support. We know that we need job training programs. Those are things that council members are pushing and asking for of the their respective department. So that's not lost on us. We recognize that we need to address those issues as well. The jumpstart program was announced today. It is really looking to identify organizations that currently mentor and work with individuals that have been unemployed for six months. I believe it's six months or more and to mentor provide support, provide guidance to them for them to if you don't have a GED to get your GED to encourage you to sign up for a training program to encourage and support you and getting a job. And those are things that we believe address the root cause of the violence that we see within our communities. It will ideally get people off the street walk with them provide the support and the guidance to to them in order for them to become gainfully employed. That is a $34 million investment that the city is making and we will continue to add programs like that we several of my colleagues and I have really been pushing for affordable housing. So my team and I will start to do a little bit more around affordable housing because we know we have to be creative in order for it to happen. So beginning next year we are looking to do some housing fairs that bring people connect them to the resources that are available, because a lot of us recognize that there's an opportunity in land bank houses, but we have to get make sure that the land bank gives people the opportunity to rehab the houses and then we also are looking to connect a financial source so that the people have access to the dollars to be able to rehab the houses. So we are pulling all of those details together now and we'll look to start having the housing fairs and bringing the variety of resources that the city has available, in addition to some other items that can help support people in acquiring the land bank houses recognizing the conditions of them, but having the financial support to be able to rehab those houses. Then I just want to hear him share information about the Detroit land contract guy here have reached out reached out to our office and we actually want to go into a deeper dive on land contracts in January. So we're making the arrangements to have them come out and have a special session with our office to do a deeper dive and make sure that individuals know and understand what to look for and what to push for in a land contract or else. Leave it alone move on to the next one. But we need to establish norms in our community so that people are not being swindled so that they don't have the house pool from under them after they have invested in the property. And so that is another way that we recognize that we can get to affordable housing because usually it's not having access to capital but being able to extend out how you pay for the property over a longer period of time. And so land contracts work for some people, but we just want to make sure that the the contract is something that is favorable for the individual that is buying the property and not the the landlord who's going into this, this contract with anyone within our community. And then lastly, I want to share three events that we have coming up on October 15. We have which is Saturday next Saturday. this coming Saturday, right? October 15. We have shred day and the ninth precinct at the ninth precinct police community relations count the ninth precinct. I don't know where I get all of that from, but it is going to be from 10am until 2pm You are welcome to bring up to five boxes of items to shred.
So that will be again at the ninth precinct on Gratiot and Gunston. And then on October 17. From six until 8pm. We are hosting an emergency preparedness session with the Detroit Fire Department making sure that people create any evacuation plan in the case of any emergency and also sharing what should be an emergency kit that we all have in our homes. Just in case we do have an emergency at home. We will have some emergency kits that we wrap along. But we want to make sure that people are thinking about these things before you actually end up in any emergency situation within your home. And then the following month we will have someone from alert 365 to come out and talk about what to do if you hear the sirens that we hear tested every first Saturday at 1pm. We're going to talk about fallout shelters we're going to talk about where you would go if there was a city wide emergency and just sharing that information that is going to take place at the Samaritan center 5555 Connor it will be a hybrid event. So if you'd like to chime in or join us on Zoom, we'll make sure that we have the capability to be able to do so. And then October 21st at 3pm I am joining my pally councilmember Mary waters with copy hours I tell the 21st at 3pm The location is one of 1040 Whittier. It is across the street from Martin Evans church. Ah, I believe that is all that I have to share. I save any questions
yes oh. Awesome. On the last last session,
I need a understanding or there was conversation around the funding that that the funding that the from the from the been clear that it is going to come from a video that has
not been verified with me as of yet train. Have you seen the source of funding for the contract is the department's general fund
would have to be so certain that you have this general fund or procedure?
That is one in the site? Essentially it's the police department's budget.
Okay, so that means that that would be something that the council would have to vote on what changes they have made since the last budget of the police department.
Now we're just voting on the contract. The funding source is up to the department essentially, where they have the funds available. Initially there was a request to use ARPA funding, but there were several council members who asked them to find a different source of funds.
Okay, I understand that so that's what my question. So tomorrow, if the vote is to table with a vote the vote for the funding to come out of general funds and the vote for
ShotSpotter. No. So what is presented to us is the source of funding. And if the department has changed it to their department budget, it just indicates the source of funding the vendor the amount, the length of time for the contract, so all of that will be one vote
with just one vote. Yes. Okay, okay. So is the vote yes or no?
That is correct. Yes. Or no on the expansion.
So they already got to do the one where it's a $1 million.
We voted on that last night last week before last so that
yeah, that expands
to 777 point
7 million. So that's what is if it hits the table tomorrow. Yes. That's what you guys have been told. Yes.
So the community is waning and continually. Yeah. And so I know all of us are hearing the technology. But more importantly, some people are seeing is reactive and not proactive. So now you the spots where the shot came from, but somebody might already be dead or running in the basement because they shot the gun. So what's the point?
So all I think Oh, Detroit Police Department measures are investigated in nature. A police officer standing right next to you if you want to commit a crime. I don't necessarily know that it will stop the person. So, Mr. Bryan saw Mr. system setting
up a couple of questions regarding ShotSpotter. The first question is how many police runs had been made? Due to ShotSpotter and how many actual Gods you say 300 But how many of those 300 guns have been caught you and ShotSpotter whatever like, has it been like 600 runs and that kind of like goes out 300 Rugs because because it just worked out or 1000 or 750 toys runs.
So let's see if we can pull up the data because I get it from the police department. And
my second question is, Councilwoman, how much does it cost for so before segment but but first question is how many shots spotters are there in the city? So far?
Currently there are two there are eight and one
so how much? How much does each ShotSpotter unit unit cost? Yeah, those unit cost
as your ShotSpotter
so the unit cost is for the unit as well as the continual reporting of alerts. I want to see if we can pull up the information.
Since this contract is for two years, the $7 million is for two years.
So how many additional shops bodies would there be?
I'm gonna see if I can pull that up because there are roughly nine or 10 but we can pull that up because DPD provided a map.
You said it's gonna be it's gonna be nine return or additional
right so it will cover 28% of the city. Let me go to Mr. Sisler. We're going to come back to answer your
question. I guess my concern what we're spending our $7 billion would it be better spent training officers how to use the Taser train and better mental health services where people instead of bullets are used for certain use cases in some kind of therapy or whatever. I know there has been talk about putting the mental health and mental health with aging
so we do have the call response program that does provide for a mental health official to join the police department on mental health runs and the recent situation with Mr. Burke's there was a mental health professional one the same
guy with the gun when not to do
so my my to be honest, wonderful. One of my questions was who was the commanding officer on the scene and who's directing how this scene is going to play out? Shot raised Yes.
Councilwoman, something in the chat. Scotty is saying that he thinks there were about 20 arrests on nonviolent gun offenses per 1000 responses, approximately I'm not sure how fact based that is but 20 risk
that's too busy. Okay, my hand is raised
probably can't see it. Was it Sandra?
Okay, so I'm gonna say that since I have been working with ShotSpotter since it's been initiated in the ninth precinct, that if some people come to meetings, they will have those numbers. I do not have those numbers. on me right now, because I'm out of town. But we do have those numbers that have been given out and it has been very successful and the ninth and I think that is why it was expanded for this period of time for the continuing the ninth precinct. We have taken a lot of guns off the street and a knife, so many that they have taken our commander and send them over to the knife, I mean to the eighth, because he's been so successful with shot spotters. And getting guns off the street and the night
outside the city guys sure
we have people in our community. We have that type of situation. In our neighborhood and with a spotter I'm perfectly fine with because the seven fingers that you see out in the middle of the screen so if we had five immediately
at the scene
because they have all these houses
still squatting in, in some of them never feeling lot of people have not
been taking care of themselves well.
I mean Mitchell, Miller, Miller
I could never is there another way
in Charmin know, they don't they don't train like train the Police Marksman.
The question has to be can be retrained really shoot someone 38 times.
Yeah, they can be changed.
From you know, can I have a conversation with Mayor just before this meeting? We were talking about that. And I suggested that when you have the same like paper, you're gonna have more than one scope that you're maybe three right? So you have Alpha Bravo and Charlie and I suggested in the training process now going forward, we have so many mental cases like this going forward, that the output units be the primary unit to engage in, if at all possible. You know, of course we don't want that it's always trying to de escalate as y'all saw on the video, right? But I'm retired. So this is a big deal. When you're in that heat of the moment, you don't realize you're pulling that trigger. It's just your adrenaline is like okay, you try to keep an eye on the subject. people you're trying to keep safe of course yourself and your part is a lot going on. So it's not like they intentionally try to shoot somebody dirty. But if you're trying to say okay, I'm the primary unit doesn't matter. You got my basket up, hold your fire. You know, I'm saying it until you have to first find your
everybody else that's coming up. Yep. And let's let's get our eyes working.
Out and interest village shoots
prime. Yes.
So the first responder
yesterday
was this just a nice
everybody doesn't have to shoot. No, no, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Have a designated to be the engaging, engaging, difficult
to shoot. Probably even shooting
there to see the targets, what bullet and what place on the body will kill you. So why are you gonna keep shooting 50 times that's what I think
because in my opinion, I'd say you don't have a constitution that supports us anymore. And so people other than ourselves have printed certain variables of laws that will protect them when they do dumb stuff to us. Okay, so they said this needs to be eliminated. Here's what I saw on that video is what I've seen and how that has really been said. So I feel like as a primary straining, which supports them medication definitely be eliminated.
What happened in this man had already killed somebody. So what were those officers? Don't come and stand back and hold up and all of that but then you go to this poor chap and he's, you know, that's what really got me
okay. Yeah, there's just some comments, Councilwoman cookies cookies asking why five officers shot though. Some someone else is asking can you repeat the time for the straight day 10:10am to 2pm for the straight day on the 15th of October at the 90 Is this okay, and then the
Yes, yes, ma'am.
And yeah, that's it. That's it in the chat.
Is there anything else not one for me?
Nothing. That's perfect.
I see. One time because it is like this the old way of doing things because you're talking about affordable housing. You talking about the need for rehab? Is there any exploration of something used to be called model Homes where home owners can come in and learn how to rehab their own notes? And I think
about that. I can talk to the land bank about that they can have a model home in every district.
Absolutely. Right. So we can see that saw that in some of the meetings where work being done in a home and people don't know how do you put in a sphere or how do you do this? And I know that wasn't my beloved love it? Yes.
Do you think more eco work training classes in the next week really? There's a book called my home as a system and that's very good, but every household should have to even stop things before they get to that.
So we'll add that to our list one of the things that we're working on doing is creating a magnet if you will, that has things items that we should all be doing to our house, summer, spring, fall, winter, just to make sure that we are maintaining it properly. Like cleaning your gutters or cleaning it or take it out departments filter and you know, things of that nature, just to make sure that it's on people's minds. But we can certainly add an eco work session or we will talk to the lamp bank about a house in the district is that people
can see.
Miss Clark has a question.
Yes, I'm kind of subject. I just quickly looked at the initial plan for the disaster recovery. And I mentioned this before but not necessarily distinguish what has sustained damage in our home and it has three year budget, Connor, as well as I'm aware that how they're breaking out the code for what's in the plan, just chart that like you need some $30,000 per household for certain areas. Most of the funding is going towards
that.
That is actually going to be a city wide program. Recognizing the extreme cost of the actual work that will be done. There are I believe Gary Brown is estimated about 1200 houses that they will be able to provide that support to but it will be city wide it is based on I haven't seen that actual document that you're referring to but when we had a meeting with the department, it was indicated that it would be a city wide program, but it's really based on folks that have had a basement backup that had won last year. Yeah. So again,
I'm an East English boy and my area is not calling down a lot of times and I know there's a lot of sea fish a lot of a lot of Georgia cities and tillers but on some in on this in these English village where I am. It's not the case and always kind of face on once you cross drive there, I'm sorry how to drive. So at the end of the day, we did sustained damage. FEMA didn't come through none of those appropriations came through and now this one doesn't
understand. No it will. So let's I'll take a look at what it is that you saw but based on my conversation with Director brown it is a citywide program because what they discovered as they were going throughout the pilots for the base and backup protection program, a large percentage of people had their water line their sewer line was disconnected from the city's main line. And so they're looking to as they encounter that recognizing that they may encounter that more often than they thought they introduced this program where they will go in and reconnect the line where they have to dig up your backyard to reconnect them on. Now there is one caveat though, because this is HUD funding it is for individuals that are in low income. Yes, that's what I thought was really presented well we'll ask the Perkins to share because no the you know presented, presented
Oh nicolaes.
Engineer. We need some interviews. We
don't think about just
talking to us and we will have a meeting on the left.
Here's employee employer for tomorrow. Tomorrow,
Dan and Jeff Tom, and hope
church. Okay,
so could you Mr. Lee's as
we get some engineers on that call on Monday
still dependence mining name development
engineer
Yeah, we can we can we can we stay on task? Because we still got to get to three other items and then public comment.
We know Detroit Mays two applications opened up October one. It'll be gone through October 31. Must Have you must fill out the 2022 Hope application is not too late to do that.
Still fill it out.
Need Assistance? Excuse me. Call Number 31322402742240274 that Monday through Friday. nine to six Saturdays from nine to 12. Awesome. The lifeline lifeline programs with DWSD. They're going to have a enrollment fair on October 24. A Grace Community Church located at 21001 Ross right there at i 94. That'd be from 3pm to 7pm. And that's it. Thank you, Councilwoman appreciate it. Miss worklessness.
Let's appreciate it. much appreciate
okay
all right manager
All righty.
We have a few more items to address here on the agenda. We can get through this. Appreciate it. We back up to updates on District Four ongoing issues flooding, sewage backups. We already addressed that pretty much in the presentation and
you know what I'm honestly like this, I don't want to talk. I've worked some papers that everybody needs to take note of because believe me, is so much and not just flow. Yeah. And the fact is that now there's money and all so a lot of work going into making sure that the what the young lady said on the video about bringing us back to the pre flood conditions is a lot of working backwards to make that happen. So I would advise everyone to come East English village, everybody to come to the meeting. So October 6 tomorrow. You got that flyer? October 11. I'm sorry. We had that October the 11th. And hopefully can then help me Mr. Dennis Perkins, our manager because we should put these in our calendar tomorrow and then what is it about the 17th and the 19. They're all important
meeting that Nikolas spoke about.
And believe me that in because we've been been educated by Jay surfacing, there's been series of education going on in Jefferson Chalmers about water, and there's gonna be he's gonna do some more. Okay, that's what he's good at. But the fact is, we were talking about
engineers tomorrow as his knowledge and we have seen,
I can't see
retention time, you know, that's not right. So I'm not trying. We have experts retentate Derksen for disagreement this is what will work, this won't work.
It has his finger up in the air. And we know that our taxpayers our tax dollars must work for us. So we're looking from four experts from the city to give us accurate information. So tomorrow's meeting is going to be very interesting. Okay. I'm just want to say that and the flyer speaks for itself. Okay,
and I believe that they've been distributed in the room. The meeting and somebody asked a question it's in a chat 6pm Oh, is answered. Okay. 6pm. Thank you for that counsel.
All right.
Thank you for that member. Harrison. Anything else on that? We good. Okay. All right. Environmental Justice and the FCA still Anna's point we had a presentation tonight on that. Has that been addressed? Or is there anything else we need? Vice Chair the
just one thing really quick. Eagle has a proposed consent agreement against FCA sublattice for the odor violations. There's going to be a virtual public information and comment section on our session on October 19 At six o'clock and when that information would come in the the Zoom information is available. I know that the council was office will have it and you know do the email blasts and the tats but just to make you guys aware, that's October 19, at 6pm and it's going to be completely virtual.
Okay. All right.
Thank you for that empathy. Yes. And lastly, on the updates CAC survey, remember Brian
nothing to report right now just made sure that last day to do the survey is October 31. And after that, I will have a full report for next month's meeting.
Yes, sir. Thank you for that. Okay.
All right. Members, we are now a new business.
Is there any new business
recommendation to the chair? Yes, me because there's so much going on across this before. And some things are documented in flyers I wouldn't would recommend that a community be encouraged to bring fliers from across the district events and information. I tried to do a little sample board up there. Sometimes you can't get all the flyers but you can put them on a board take them somewhere and we can make the practice of learning from my grandchildren. Take your camera and take a picture.
Okay, good idea.
Okay. All right. Any other new business? Okay, hearing none. Now we're at public comment. Not that there hasn't been public comment to date. Is a anyone have any public comment?
All righty, oh.
Three Exactly. The network. We are hosting neighborhood day or night. It's accent neighbor black club day. And I've got we see our first one. And our goal is to bring all the neighborhoods in the group on the east side together so that we can all start listening in on our neighborhood improvement committee zoom. So we can all kind of stay on the same page with issues also. Okay, Saturday 123 and we will have sex
123 Okay, yeah. Teenagers. Absolutely.
Okay, Mr. Sisler. And then, Scotty Bowman in on Zoom. Yes, sir.
Johnson make a comment about people being on the floor. And there's 1000s of people here and there was a study done by the Congressional business. That was actually kind of a build job. Congress. There's like eight to 10 things that show in our president unemployment system with it. Putting people off give them deadlines, not allowing them to know they're going back to work. Causes drug problems, alcohol problems. Health problems. I mean, there's just 10 or 15 other than next time, and that that system needs to change any input or the bill 1000 which would change
it almost 10 of what you said it will change your appointment system. It will take all the present fun and if somebody lost the job, they say well
what if it doesn't look like what then the funds will be there to help you to do something to improve yourself to get another job say would you like to be able to sponsor you? So let's get actively involved is it something new so it really wasn't crew
violence and Oh
Bob, do you know how far back that study goes for that? analysis from CBl gentlemen. Okay, I'd be interested in to look at thank you for that, sir. Appreciate it. Scotty Bowman. Have your hand up. Yeah, um,
so I was um, just the other day noticing over on East Warren over by the Alger what all the construction has been about and I really thought that they were doing something to improve things, but instead what I see is a bunch of concrete obstruction taking up even more of the very narrow East Warren which has gotten progressively narrower since we had bike lanes in there. It's like it's narrowing even more and there's like these cement obstructions now sticking out into where some of the parking is that looks like there's some room for parking. But now in order to get out of your space instead of people being able to move forward and merge with traffic. The way it's going to be, is you have to like back out and try to pull out sideways around a cement obstruction, further blocking the only one lane going in that direction and East Warren. I'm wondering, since this is something that clearly affects District Four specifically, I'm wondering when the city council met up with the Community Advisory Council and consulted with them about this.
You're talking about the street streetscape. Yeah.
And I know there's been some, you know, planning as far as storefronts and I'd like to limit this is like out into the street. He's not listening to
Scotty Scotty Dennis Perkins is he's answering your question, sir.
Okay.
We've had plenty of community meetings study the community took a boat I can't remember the facility. voted on that design traffic. It was designed to slow traffic now because they're going to it's going to be a whole lot more foot traffic. Just like it is Illinois and so it's a wrap Well, we gotta drag down.
Yeah, it's a minor inconvenience, Scotty Well, Major, depend on where you are. But yep, I gotta get to work. But we got to we got to work through it, Doc. All right. Any other public comment? Hearing and seeing none. Chair will accept a motion for adjournment. Second, all in favor, Aye. Any opposed? eyes have it motion carried meeting adjourned at 9:32pm Thank you so much. Thank you community for being online. We appreciate you