it's never a good sign when someone new to Zen asks how long it will take it's hardly a deal breaker. It can be it's just one phase one can go through early in practice trying to figure out trying to apply transactional assessment of it how much do I how much time do I have to give in order to get what I want and that that falls away as we go on. But you can come back here at too often with people who've been to many machines without having had a break through and may go through all of these mental maneuvers. But how long it's been how much longer it'll be it's just just only creates a further hindrance to go through this calculations it's it's understandable i i went through it myself for a while, but you just can't give way to that. Those kind of calculations when quality people plan to investigate mind, how can they set a rigid time limit Listen, we've read accounts in teisho, of young, young ardent monks who say okay, I'm going to give it 90 days. And if I don't get it, then within 90 days then I'm out of here must have been, you know not so rare for the these newcomers to SET set the time limit like that, but he says here, how can they set a reg rigid time limit, just achieve deep faith and consistently go forward you are sure to walk upon the ground of reality, if you renew yourself day by day and strip away your illusions day by day. Step back all the way and it is this When you reach the point that even this is not established, this is precisely the place to do the work.