Yeah, you know, the other thing we have talked about before, just between the two of us is one of the hallmarks of trauma is becoming desensitized to what's appropriate and inappropriate or normative. And so if you're, you know, growing up, and your family dynamic was a certain way, that's your norm. And you don't understand that it's problematic until you leave the family. And you start to kind of explore on your own other relationships and, and see what, what's helpful, what's not, and what's normative. And so when we talk about trauma dumping, one of the other things to be aware of is that sometimes our trauma has become our norm. And so when we are sharing with other people, we don't even realize that it's completely out of the norm. And that it might be actually too much information for someone, just because they, you know, are more, I don't want to say sensitive in a critical way, but they are more sensitive to the issues that you may be talking about. And one of the examples that I was thinking of is early on in your career, you were working with juvenile sex offenders. And it was, you know, like the first 10 years of your career, right. And we would have family dinner every Sunday with our entire family. And I remember during this time, that sometimes you would say something, never, you know, breaching confidentiality, but just make reference to something about the work you do that I would get this like deep pit in my stomach, almost like a sick feeling. And I remember, the first few times it happened, I was just kind of assessing silently, like, oh, man, that just, I am so uncomfortable. And so you weren't trauma dumping about yourself. And you were I wouldn't even been considered necessarily a full on trauma dump. But it was so normative to you that you would make comments. And it was so uncomfortable for me. And so I remember talking to you, eventually and saying I can't handle that information. Or it's too upsetting for me. Now, I understand it was a trigger. Right, right, because it was transporting me back to my own abuse. And it was a form of oversharing or trauma, dumping, not of your own trauma, but just kind of trauma in general. And so I was thinking about that as we were preparing for the episode.