transcending is not so much. A metamorphosis, such as a, a worm, turning into a cocoon turning into a to a butterfly. It is just simply seen as already there, there is this kind of a thus SNESs there, and this lessness which we can't name it anything and even the the word mine is not included in that SNESs the lessness is what we see as truth. Now, in the mother mica school with Nagarjuna he established this truth as being the truth of apparent reality and the truth of absolute reality. It's not easy to work those two together, we go, okay, well, what does that mean? Indeed, what does that mean? We have to kind of contemplate it and examine it. And when they asked him Which one is the real true, he does not respond. It is why the sutras they say it's neither existent nor non existent, because it transcends the idea of categorizing anything, because that would be what mind without the word mind would mean or would be established? Is is that it doesn't have any kind of to show any credentials. It is already that but then the philosophers they scratch their head say, No, you guys are fudging on me, you know, because I don't understand that. And then they say you will never understand it because you're stuck in this samsara you're stuck in the apparent reality. And you're trying to define something that has created this reality with reality, apparent reality. words and concepts, but it's beyond those concepts. So as we begin to see this, you begin to see how Buddhism prevented itself from being put into a corner or trapped with these words, or presenting something that just doesn't hold water. What it does is the way it holds water is by presenting emptiness. Now this emptiness is not the emptiness that like an empty cup and I wish we had a better word than that. I've asked people in Chinese home, emptiness is kind of the same thing as emptiness in English. But it's not really that way. It's more that everything is included, rather than something that's excluded. There cannot be anything that's excluded because if it's excluded, then it cannot be mined. But if we say that everything belongs to mine, we have to follow along with that and our teachings have to explain that. The reason I'm giving you this background is is that when we go into the Queen, Shamala, sutra, even this little bit, you're gonna get lost right away. You're not going to be able to follow what's happening unless you understand the purpose. Of how it's presented in this way. So I'm going to try to go through this and actually we're not maybe only get to this one passage of the queen from all sutra and not go on to anything else because it is something that we have to kind of take a look at and see, but it goes to this, this very essence of, of what mind is. We, we on this side cannot conceive of the vastness the infinite nests of of mind. We only use these conceptual thinking, because these conceptual descriptions. When we say infinite, there's no borders to it. So if we say Infinite Light, and we contemplate infinite light in this way, there is not an edge to mind a border to mind. I remember when when I was younger and they came out with the first games I don't know if it's still the same way now or not. I haven't played a video game for I don't know, you know, many, many years, but I remember riding a motorbike in a desert on in a game and you'd come up and then you'd end up hitting the side of a mountain. You couldn't go full further. You just stop right there. And you weren't like what happened? Because the game and its artificial intelligence could not create an infinite terrain. It had to stop somewhere. So at some point you run into it, that is samsara. samsara is the same way. We we will run into the edge of it, because how do we run into the edge we can run into the edge spatially or temporally or mortally. That's it. That's the end of the ride. And you go, is it really but in apparent reality it is because that's the end of you. This then causes great consternation and great fear on people who do not accept Buddhism because they go I don't want to do that one. Because if I if I believe in that, that's unfinished. And this is compared to Christianity in Christianity. You get one shot at this world. And then when you die, it's either a thumbs up or thumbs down. And thumbs down means that you inhale. So this is different than the idea of this. This samsara where one can go up and down these realms from the heaven realm, all the way down to the hell realm. All of this is conceptual. All of this is created by the mind. We don't understand that we think that we create all have these things, but we miss it. And that was the very first thing that Shakyamuni Buddha presented after sitting under the Bodhi tree and he told everybody about the 12 Madonna's the cause of love, origination. But nobody understood it. It was too deep. So then he went to more traditional way of saying wealth you suffer. You know, you should know what the cause of suffering is. And then there's a way to stop that suffering. And then there is this enlightenment, this path. And so the people go, Where do I sign up? That's a good deal. And then later, that made people feel comfortable. So there's two types of teachings in Buddhism. And the masters always talk about this. They say one of them, is for those silly people that that just don't get it and we tell them that just so that they, they can calm down or they won't have fear. One master set is just like giving a pacifier to them to stop the baby from crying. And, and little by little, bringing them up so that they can understand that and there's many people who want us to go really, really slow. Don't Don't scare the people know, if you talk like this, Gilbert, you're going to scare the people that, you know, they're not ready to realize that they don't exist. You can't do that. So what are we going to do just just fake it and give them something that that just keeps having them come back in the cycle until they have this perfect beam? And they realize somebody should have told me this, you know, 10,000 lifetimes before How come I didn't learn this? Know how many times I've just been a beetle, and not the Rock and Roll beetle, but the one that crawls along the ground.