is three o'clock. Uh. Today is the seventh of November 2024, the board of police commission is called to order. Let's have invocation by chaplain, Hattie Grady. Grady, is that correct?
Yes, it is. It's correct, okay, most kind and gracious God, we thank you for this day, this moment and this hour, Lord God, we ask that you continue to keep your hand upon our mayor, our chief of police, this board of police commissioners, our police department and its citizens, God, continue to give grace and wisdom to the board of police commissioners during this meeting. Oh God, as they handle the business thereof, and so continue to keep them this day and beyond, and we will be ever mindful to give your name all the praise, all the glory and all the honor that it is due in Jesus Name. Amen.
Commissioner banks, present, Commissioner Bell. Commissioner more, present, Commissioner Hernandez is excused. Commissioner de Walsh, present, six. Present, seven. I'm sorry, seven present. You have a quorum. All
right. Thank you very kindly. I entertain a motion for the approval of November 7, 2024, agenda, so move support, moved by Commissioner Bernard second by or any discussion, or there being no discussion, I did it wrong, okay, motion made by Commissioner Bernard Second, by Commissioner Moore, any discussion, anyone opposed, the motion is carried. I entertain a motion for the approval of the minutes of October the 31st 2024, so moved support move by Commissioner Bernard, supported by Commissioner more. Any discussion, all in favor? Say, aye. Anyone opposed the motion is carried, introduction of Bill, PC, staff, Chief of Police and elected officials.
Today, we have president, parliamentarian, Dr Francis Jackson, Mr. Robert Brown is Theresa blossom. Mr. Drew freeze, Miss Mary Barber, supervising investigator, listeners, Sloan, chief investigator, Warfield, interpreters, Ms jakata and Dr Stephanie Beatty court reported on handy side, Sergeant Quinn audio, Mr. Charles Henry media services, Deputy Chief Tiffany Stewart, and those are the persons represented at this time.
All right, thank you very kindly. Let's go to the Community Impact Report 10 minutes.
Thank you Mr. Chair, and thank you to the honorable body I want to and I'm bringing up on the screen for those who are online, share the screen here for our report for today.
Okay,
um, this is our report regarding the end of the month of November, numbers. So everything that happened during the month of October, not over the second month of October. As you all know, the mission of the Office of the Chief Investigator is to fairly effectively and objectively receive, investigate and make recommendations regarding complaints concerning Detroit Police Department and its personnel, and it is our goal of the OCI to assist in approving interpreter, to assist in improving to assist in improving the Quality of law enforcement services by instilling citizen confidence and integrity of Detroit Police Department. One of the things I want to do, I want to be very clear that every week for the past 18 months, OCI has produced a weekly report that comprises five sub reports. One of the reports is assigned cases, and you get that every week, and that's basically a snapshot of how many cases are being signed, assigned out to which investigators in any given week. You also review closed cases, which cases were closed during that week. Then you'll get an uh, OCI leadership review, uh report. That report deals with the cases that have been submitted by the investigators and they're in the review process. You also receive, or you have been receiving, the Commissioner Review Report. That's the cases, of course, that the commissioners are reading, signing and approving and bringing back. And we show that as well, as well as those cases that are still needed to come back to the office. And then finally, we do a caseload report as part of that five sub report, weekly report that you get. And that's basically a shot, a snapshot of investigators, case load for that particular week, for that for those seven days. And all of these numbers are very fluent. They come and they go, so they change often, but, but that at least gives you a snapshot every week of pretty much where we are now. Monthly we produce a monthly report that pretty much Chronicles and provide a monthly summary of OCI investigative process, how many cases we've closed was currently in the office. So over the course of a month, you'll get 21 reports from the Office of the Chief investigators, so that this honorable board is very keenly aware of where we are from the status standpoint, and we've been doing that for the last 18 months. I put this video up on the screen because, for me, it depicts what's going on in our office. As you all know, and we all live in Michigan that we face blizzards. And if you go outside and you shovel the snow in the blizzard while it's still snowing, what happens? Snow still falls, but you have to clear the sidewalk. Well, that's how sometimes we feel in our office, when you look at caseload, when you look at where we are this year, we are going to top off over 2000 complaints. Last year was a record year when we did 1742 complaints. This year, we're going to top 2000 complaints. And so is some kind of a type of Blizzard for us, as relates to the number of cases that come in. And you can see the orange bars on that graphic represents this year's complaints that comes in on a monthly basis. The blue bars represent what came in as far as complaints from last year. So you can see the trend going up again. When you project out, it looks like we're going to be over 2000 cases, complaints that are coming into our office for this year. Let
the record reflect that Commissioner Carter and Commissioner burden is present.
Well, also wanted to do is talk about our total work product. And this is again, for the month of October. So our investigators closed 700 I'm sorry, this is for the year. This is for the entire year. Investigators close 767 cases. We have another 153 cases that are scheduled to be closed, but they're in the review process. So when you add those two numbers together, which I call our work product for the year, we have 920 cases in house that we are have either closed or in the review process of being closed. We are projecting, based on those numbers, that we're going to end up closing about 1073 cases this year, which is more cases than what we closed last year by about a couple of 100. And what's even more significant about this is when you look at the investigators that's actually in rotation, on average, there's been about 10 investigators in rotation, because the rest have been in some form of training, although those who are in training have still investigated in closed cases, they have not done it at the clip that those who are in rotation have, but they have done a yeoman's job, and we just added four investigators to the rotation for this month, so we have now 14 investigators in our rotation. Also wanted to give you as relates to the cases that we've closed based on the year that they were initiated, right? So this year we've closed 127 cases that were from 2001 all right? We closed 78 cases that were from 2022 I said, 2001 2021 and we closed 78 cases from 2022 we closed 214 cases from last year this year. And again, we got over 1700 last year, and then we've closed this year, 348 cases out of the 1666 cases that we received so far this year. So our approach is to make sure that we spend all the cases that we don't just concentrate on one year, as I presented my timeliness program a few months ago, that we make sure that we hit each segment of the cases that are in our offices, because we believe that's the best way to have a full, well rounded approach to tackle closing these cases. Want to look at our staffing right now. Obviously didn't make this slide, and I apologize so that is some raw slide, but not this one, but I have two administrative assistants who handle basically processing the cases throughout our office, and make sure the commissioners get the cases and come back to us. But they do a lot more than that. They handle all of our FOIA requests. They handle all the requests that come in, for promotions, for research and things like that. We also have two, four time supervisors. We have one acting supervisor. We're about to that position is not posted. We're going to shortly start interviewing for that position. We have four senior investigators. Two of those investigators are signed out, though, one is working as a quality assurance reviewer, to review every case that is written in that in that office and make any correction suggestions as needed. And then the other senior investigator is was doing training for the these last this last year and a half, for the number of investigators that have come on board in rotation. We have 13 investigators in rotation right now, which helps a great deal enlightening the low for all of our investigators, and we have six additional investigators that are currently in training that we are projecting to be in the rotation at the start of the year. So all of our training will be done for all of our investigators. And of course, we have two vacancies. We receive resumes and applications for those positions, and we know, Mr. Chair, as you've done before, we know that those positions will be filled up fairly quickly. That's our alright. So I say all that to take us where we are in our open cases. In our open cases, we have
one second. Yeah, sure you need some clarification. No, I
was waiting until you open I'm sorry. I thought he was through a way for you to open it up for questions. Alright,
not a problem.
That's what he was. I thought he was through.
Okay, thank you.
I'm not rushing you or nothing. Okay, we're good. I'm not rushing you. None to you. I'm trying to
stay within the time through the chair. All right, go ahead, through the chair. We have about 2429 cases in our office. Total of that 426 are within 90 days. 2003 are past 90 days. And this is also important for me to point out that the title of backlog, it qualifies for any case that's past 90 days. So any case that goes past 90 days is a backlog. So any case that we have not saw, let's say that we got in August, the first of this year, is considered now backlog. So these numbers are coming down, although it looks like it's not, they actually, they actually are coming down. If you look at our team output, our team output is producing and improving tremendously. When you look at the cases that have been submitted and the cases that are closed, our total work product is 268 cases just for the month of October, which is amazing again. Our staff, our investigators, are doing a wonderful job again, and we are. We are crossing the span of all years, and I'm proud to report that we do not have any 2021 cases in our shop that still needs investigating. They're either closed or they're in the review stage. We'll get to that in a minute when we look at the cases that we have received versus the cases we have closed, you'll see that on this slide right here, in the month of October, we received 166 complaints. We closed 115 complaints. But again, when you look at the total product, the complaints that were closed versus those who were submitted were well over that 176, we had 268, which is where we need to be to make sure we continue to knock down that number so we are well ahead of the game of bringing that number down. Switching gears a little bit, looking at the allegations. This year long, we've received 4212 allegations from 1666 complaints that have come to our office. And you know, typically, again, you'll get procedure service and demeanor as the main allegations that come through. But yet you know our as you all know, our investigators investigate each allegation that comes in, not just you know, just the complaint, but all the allegations within that complaint. When we look at the sustained allegations from January through October, this is a chart we want to present to you that out of 767 closed cases that we've closed for the year, 151 cases had sustained allegations, which represents about 19.7% almost 20% of those cases Come in are sustained. And again, that represents from January through October. The good thing about that, and I've seen this with the department, is that training takes place. A lot of the training we get the administrative messages that talk about some of the issues that we're seeing. And so we applaud the apartment for making the department for making sure that those training opportunities take place, and we're also in the process, and you'll see it next week, of producing a brand new report that deals with the additional findings that we have found that we believe could go to the various commands so that they can train very specifically to issues that We see in particular commands, and so we'll produce that for you next week. When you look at the total number of CCR allegations for October of 2024 you see it right there. For the month of October, there were 405 allegations out of 176 citizen complaint reports. And you see that information right there. And again, you see those numbers break down. And as always, we break these numbers down per command staff. Now the numbers look a little lighter than what they should, and that's because, again, for the additional information, for the additional findings that we're finding that's not related to the actual allegation of the complaint itself. We are taking that information, we are chronicling it, we are telling it up, and then we're going to send that back to the department. Certainly you all have a copy, so that appropriate training can be done in those areas for those particular matters that we see that there are issues, and that's pretty much my report.
Commissioner banks,
yes, sir, this year, Chief white, I mean, chief investigator, I just want to commend you on the progress that you made, because I know about four or five months ago, you come from 12, over 1200 cases in the backlog. Now, over 1200 cases in the backlog down, and now you a little over 500 and I just want to commend you and staff for you know, making that progress, making some great progress. So just a little kudos, man. I appreciate what you're doing, you and your staff, you got your staff buying into what you're selling. So keep making progress, man.
Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner, the loss.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just a couple of questions on the report on the current staffing, where you talk about 13. Wait, what is it? Some investigators are in 26 How long is the training period?
Great question through the chair, the training period is bare minimum, six months. Some investigators get through it a little bit quicker, and we're able to put them in rotation a little bit quicker. Some it takes a little bit longer. One of the things, one of one of the approaches that we made since I've been there, is that we want to make sure that we don't overwhelm the investigators when they come on board. There are a lot of nuances to investigating a case, and there are a lot of procedures that the investigators have to follow. So we pretty much take them by the numbers, and they are making tremendous progress, though they really are. Mean, some of our investigators are new. Investigators are leading the pack as relates to the number of investigations that are closing on a monthly basis, monthly in the month out. So we have a very good group of investigators and
just as a follow up real quick. So the ones that are being trained six months are they getting the same case loaders, a lighter caseload, or what does that look like for them? That
is another great question through the chair. So their overall caseload is about the same. However, we give it out to them differently, so they have the same amount of cases and sometimes even more, but we divvy it out to them in smaller chunks so that they can digest it and not get overwhelmed, but they still have responsibility for the same caseload, so to
speak. And then, just related to that, when you do give them the cases, do you assign them immediately, or is there a wait period before the cases are assigned to investigators?
So through the chair, when the cases are assigned, they're assigned through our administrative staff, and they go straight to that particular investigator, and that investigator has three days before they contact the citizen to try and get the citizen's personal statement, and then they start the investigation at that point,
thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chair,
Mr. Bernard,
a couple of questions, and thank you for an excellent, excellent report. The first question is, don't we close cases, and we call it an administrative closure, don't we? When you contact me and I don't contact you back, I filed a complaint, but I'm too busy to deal with it, for example, that's an administrative closure, right? Not
necessarily the chair, not necessarily. So we continue to investigate the case. So what we use? We use the complaintants response when they first started, when they first put the complaint in, so we investigate off of that, and we go forward with that. So so we don't close the case and administrative closes just because we call the complaints in the back and they don't answer our call or return the message back to us.
I see the second question is roughly 20% of the cases that are filed appear to be closed. We appear to be sustained, meaning that you found some police misconduct, 80% then of the complaints that we get are frivolous. I wouldn't
say they're frivolous. Through the Chair, would say they're frivolous. We just, in our fact finding, could not sustain those complaints so and that could be for a number of reasons. That could be because there was a lot of information that was missing that we could not correspond it could be because we saw some things, but we didn't see enough to sustain it. So it could be unfounded. So there are a number of reasons why. There are a number of reasons why we we cannot say sustain, but what we will not do is sustain someone we don't see the factual evidence that we can prove it, that that is done.
So every complaint, then is is registered in the office. We attempt, we do some form of investigation, whether we get the cooperation of the complainant or not, and we make a decision about that,
through the Chair? Yes, every single complaint that comes into our office receives our attention, whether it's whether there are complaints that's going to be transferred to another division, we still have to do our preliminary investigation. Every complaint gets a level of investigation.
Just one final question, Mr. Chairman, on your on your sheet that says sustained allegations, January through October. There are three critical areas. There 105 were sustained for demeanor. 266 were sustained for procedure, and 24 were sustained were sustained for service. Once that happens, they're sustained. And two questions, really, this is what you were talking about, additional training. But the second part is, if the if it's sustained, does that go on the officer's record, and when we're looking at promotions, is that the information that you're giving us?
So there's two answers to that question through the chair as relates to those cases that are sustained. So once they're sustained, we send every sustained case over to the disciplinary department. The disciplinary department then follows up. They do their own due diligence and look at the case, and then, you know, they take it from there and and most of the times they agree with us, sometimes they don't agree with us, and so, but they handle it at that particular point. The case is out of our hands. The second part of your question, can you repeat it for him? I'm sorry.
It relates to the what, what we do? When, when you, when we ask you for a report on an officer before we promote them.
So you don't just get the sustains. You get all of them. You get the entire you get the entire complaint file. So if that particular officer received, let's say, 10 complaints those, none of those complaints were sustained, you still get that information. So you get the entire packet of that office, and not just to sustain, but all of it, all every investigation that our office done, completed.
Finally, can you ask the department to give you what they do to officers when it's sustained by us and we send it to them? You put I know when we transfer the file is out of our hands, but it would be nice to know what happened after that.
I think you asked for that. We have, we are expecting a report on that because and we wanted to stay current, and we want to make sure that every time that happened, that a sustain happened, how much time it takes to for them to do their process? So you're right. You're spot on, Commissioner that we will, we would stay on that. And I think through the citizen complaints committee, you know that that is a powerful, a strong apparatus to make sure that that is consistent. So great question. Yep, you're done. Commissioner Smith, Let the record reflect that Commissioner Presley is present.
Thank you through the Chair. Yes, ma'am.
Afternoon,
my question was similar. I was noticing that most of the complaints and allegations was procedure and demeanor. And could you give me an example of what that looks like? Because I want to know, why is it so many
typically? And I looked at this right before I came, just to make sure, because I had to fit on that question was going to come up again, I'm sorry, through the up again. I'm sorry, through the chair, we're still getting a great deal of electronic issues as relates to body worn camera either being turned off too early, not being turned on at all, or not operating and then not documenting that is not operational. If the officer documents that the body worn camera is not operational, that's not a problem with us at all. So because that's according to the policy, so that's where the majority of the procedure comes in, as relates to the demeanor. Obviously, that's when citizens feel that they are being talked to in an unprofessional manner. One of the things that we're seeing is that there are a number of conversations that begin with, Hey man, hey dude, Hey sweetheart. And those things are against departmental policy, and so we make that notation, and we sustain those officers for not professionally addressing the citizens in that case. So there are a number of things, but those are two of the common things that we're seeing.
Okay, thank you.
Anything further? Yes, sir Commissioner, thank you. Through
the Chair, as has been mentioned, you know, our hope is through the citizen complaint committee, to standardize these reports to the board, so that our committee receives it before the board does. So we can kind of respond to these questions. But to your point, you know, I have found in the cases that I have been reviewing that again, primarily whether it's a procedure around body worn cameras not being worn, or demeanor with casual salutations with names, but then also just the use of profanity, and sometimes that profanity might be directed to a citizen, or just might be, again, informal communication, but either way, it's against policy. And so that's why we're seeing such high numbers. And so to the chief, you know, I know the chief white, I believe it was last week or the week before last, you know, stated that, you know, we have 100% body worn camera use rates, rate. And I was concerned hearing that, because the 100% you know, is always very absolute. But again, the cases that we're reading are finding that a number of body worn cameras are not being worn. And so I'm just trying to figure out how we can reconcile whatever is being done in the risk management to say that DPD is adhering to the policy 100% while the number of sustained allegations, you know, suggested that that's not particularly the case.
So through the Chair, I'll certainly do with the risk department to see if they can figure out how to marry the two. Certainly, when we do our body worn camera audits, and they may not be looking at the same cases, but there are random audits, and they look at a large volume of cases. And if every all of the parameters are there is considered that the officers a pass for the officers, and that they have their body worn, cameras activated. But maybe there's something, or some way to marry the two.
Thank you for that. And then just overall, the general number, you know, is saying 19.7% of the cases that have been closed have been sustained. And I'm just trying to refer back to last year's data, that that will be an increase, correct? That
would be an increase.
Thank you last year, I
think through the chair last year, I think we're closer to 15% like 1414, right? Yes, yes, sir. Thank you.
Yep. And anything further, yeah. Commissioner Bell,
thank you. Yes, sir.
I just want to say that Chief Investigator being very modest about the mirror, there's too many cases in the culture that we've been noticing my entire times that went to body camera the F word. It seemed to be a culture of the effort so that we've been talking about that quite often, and from Chief Craig to Chief white, it's been a common language culture. I know it's out on the street, but we are not the street. I think we should emphasize the reality of what we're dealing with the culture. Thank you.
Thank you so much and and thank you for the work that you're doing in terms with the new recruits, and going over there and making sure that you know you give you baptizing them in the proper way, in terms of the the training that you go in the presentations, as you do with the new recruits. And look for you more commissioners to participate in that because I think it's vital important that these new recruits understand that that culture is not acceptable. Having said that, I want to go, I want to you to report out to this board about the force allegations and the harassment. You know, I see that there's is like a 4% and then as it relates to harassment, that's 5% that was sustained, right, correct?
So to the chair, there are certain force allegations that go over to IA, if there are certain conditions that it meet. For instance, if there is broken bones, if there are, if the victim is visibly or the citizen, I'm sorry, is visibly cut or bruised or whatever, we'll send that straight over to IA. And sometimes they do their inside force investigation reports right at the scene. So that becomes a part of our report that comes over to us. So those things go straight there. As far as, I think the other question was, harassment, was that the other category, as far as harassment, certainly one of the things that we've seen, let
me cut you off there. I think that these were sustained allegations, right, correct.
Let me go back to the care while
he's looking for that, just for a point of correction, you all stated on record that that's 4% and 5% but I think those are just four cases, five cases, four cases. Yeah.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the clarification, Commissioner. So the four cases of the five cases, we need to be reported on on that. One is when it comes to anything as relates sustaining on force and sustaining on harassment. Those are very, very serious charges, and this board needs to know that immediately, when that comes in, especially when they are sustained, and we want to know what's, what is the follow up to that immediately, yes, sir,
including as a piggyback on that if, in fact, it results in litigation against the department, usually when they're excessive force or something, or harassment of that nature, it usually results in litigation. So what some of these complaints actually result in lawsuits? So it would be good to know which ones do, which ones don't. Just thank you.
Yep. But great. Great job. And let me ask this as it relates to I know the conversation is that you have a timeline in terms of when we can get fully out of the backlog. Are you prepared to speak on that? Well,
I would rather wait until we get through with our wing sweat process to the chair. And I would just want to report just briefly on wing swept our new case management, sir, we have been meeting weekly right now. We're in the testing phases of it. Our IT department here in the city of Detroit has been in direct communication with the wing swept people over, and I think they're in out of Boston on the East Coast. And so we're having another meeting tomorrow to see if the changes that we've actually put in place have taken place. We're hoping to get our wing sweep wing swept up and running by next month at the very latest, so that we can start getting used to using that system. We took a delegation again over to the Office of the Inspector General, I believe, was last week, just to see, from a practical standpoint, how they were using that product and versus how we can use and we are very confident that is going to be well. And I want to say also to the departments and that their new their new process, their new process is going to is working, will work very well with ours. To the department has been very open and very, very amenable to meeting with us, as relates to making sure that, I'm sorry to making sure that right now, mass, which is undergoing some changes, is still going to be operational in our new system. And so their new system benchmark, if I can say that their new system benchmark is, is a phenomenal system, and it works hand in hand, the fact that we are moving away from these antiquated systems and coming up in technology, I think is phenomenal. And I want to thank all of the employees of the Office of the Chief Investigator, also the board of B, O, P, C, our staffs work work together, very good. And our people do some extreme work, from the front office to every investigator, to every supervisor, to every senior, even to administrative personnel. We just want to say thank you to all of them for the outstanding job that they do day in and day out.
Thank you kindly.
Very quickly, may I say just Mr. Chairman, because we're trying to implement a new system and a new computer sort of thing that perhaps we might want to consider authorizing overtime so they can really get this just, you know, 35 hours a week, or whatever it is they're currently working. May not be it may take us four months to get this up. Why don't we do a crash course authorizing overtime and get it done?
Um, we can refer that to the budget director or buddy budget committee chair, as well as the the citizen complaint committee chair, to explore that if that's needed as needed, yes, ma'am,
Mister Chair, just that may be a recommendation that we might want to give to Mr. Freeze, right? Absolutely sweet, because he needs that by Friday.
Absolutely six plus training, right,
right? Mister Chair, just a real quick question. Just for my clarification, I meant to ask this, and I skipped it on your report, where it says cases closed versus cases submitted. There's a 15, a number 15 duplication. What does that mean, and how did those 15 cases get reconciled?
The chair that is an outstanding question. It is the duplication cases are basically cases that are resubmitted over and over again, sometimes by the same person looking to maybe accelerate the investigative process, so there's basically the exact same case that's being asked to be reinvestigated or to be investigated. So we don't go, and we don't go and investigate the duplicates. We just add them to the initial case that came into our office, so that case gets investigated. Then sometimes there are cases where there's a cloud people, and the allegations are still the same, but it's coming from different people. So we look very carefully at if there are different allegations, different members who are focused on the allegations, before we deem if it's a duplicate or not, but duplicates are basically carbon copies of the same allegation that we're already investigating. Thank you. Thank you.
Mr. Chair. Yes, the parliamentarian just wants to be clear, you are referring to the budget committee and assistant complaint committee, and not
officially, I'm just, you know, for them to look into it. You know,
it's not an official referral, yeah, no,
it's, you know, it's something for them to look into far as them. But I'm not, you know, making a motion or anything of that nature. They hear it, they receive it and they know what to do with it. Okay, thank you, sir. Okay, all right, thank you.
It's just quickly last week, you know, I was concerned about the nature report we had. We couldn't read it, all that kind of stuff. I want to compliment you on this extraordinarily accurate it appears and professional presentation and report. It's outstanding, and I think the job that you're doing is outstanding as well. So I'll go wash my mouth out with so thank you.
Okay, let's go to the chief of police report.
Good afternoon to desirable board. Stewart. I'm going to go right into our crime data. We continue our reductions in part one violent crime, we're at a 6% reduction in total and Part One violent crime, with our greatest reduction in non fatal shootings, that's a 23% reduction. That's 168 less victims in this time last year. That's 168 less victims than this time last year. We've got an 18% reduction in both homicide and car Jackson's, and we have a 16% reduction in our robberies. Moving on to our mental health related calls for service this this week, in the last seven days, we service 302 calls. Year to date, 2024 we service 13,104 calls, which is actually a 7% increase over this time last year for mental health related costs. Moving on to some of our significant events, we've had a couple multiple shootings this this past week, we're going to talk about one fatal shooting that was not a multiple I'll get in a couple of those, but the fatal shooting happened on October 31 at 5:30pm officers were dispatched to the 14,000 block of Saratoga to investigate a fatal shooting. After the investigation, the detective determined that the victim and the suspect were acquainted with each other and got into a physical artication, at which time the suspect shot the victim and left the scene on November 1, detectives were able to locate an arrest suspect in the 6000 block of plain view on november 5, a warrant was approved by the Wayne County prosecutor's office, and the suspect was charged and arraigned at 36 district court with first degree premeditated murder and a host of other charges, including felony firearm and firearms, weapons possession by a prohibited person. The suspect is being held in Wayne County jail without bond. One of the doubles, the fatal, the multiple shootings that I want to talk about involved two juveniles on Saturday, November 2 at one o'clock AM, officers were dispatched to the 1000 I'm sorry, the 10,000 block of West Bank Nichols, to investigate a non fatal shooting. They responded to the scene and were told by witnesses that a large fight had occurred inside the location and that someone had been shot, but left the scene as the officers were talking to witnesses, a victim one walk back to the scene, stating he was shot after four individuals attempted to steal his glasses. Shortly afterwards, officers were notified that victim to was privately conveyed to a local hospital suffering from gunshot wounds and was listed in stable condition. Officers from the 12 person precinct secured the scene and the detectives were you unit were notified they determined that victim one and suspect two, both 16 year olds were the shooters. Both were arrested at the scene. Victim one was treated for his injuries at a local hospital and then transported to the detention center and substance. Suspect two was transported to the Wayne County Youth home. Actually, the detectives from the 12 precincts submitted warrants to both Wayne County prosecutor for review. They denied for additional work. They returned the warrants for additional work, so they're still actively investigating that same incident. Three was a couple shooting that seven people shot at a location on 6000 block of Devereaux that resulted in two fatal shootings and five non fatal shootings on Sunday, November 3, at 1:30am officers were dispatched to the 6000 block of Devereaux to investigate the seven person shooting. Officers arrived at the scene and spoke to witnesses who stated all the victims were at a party on the block. When the individuals began to argue and fight, the party ended and the participants continued to argue and fight. Suspects began firing shots at the scene, striking seven people. The victims were transported to local hospital, where two victims were pronounced deceased, two victims in critical condition, and the remaining vehicles. The remaining victims were enlisted in temporary, serious condition. Officers from the Fourth Precinct preserved the scene. Detectives from the homicide Task Force were notified, considering there was so many victims who were shot, the good thing about this case is the detectives developed information on possible suspects and did submit a warrant to the Wayne County prosecutor's office or review the last multiple shooting we had was a triple shooting, domestic violence related that's also closed on Tuesday, November 5, seven o'clock officers were dispatched to 15,000 block of West Bank Nichols to investigate a triple shooting. They arrived and observed victim one and victim two at the location, suffering from gunshot wounds. They were pronounced deceased on the scene. Victim three was transported to the hospital where they later died from their injuries. The Texas were able to determine that it was a murder suicide. Victim three shot victims wanted to then himself due to allegations of an affair between victims one and two positive stories that we had. We did have election day go down without a hitch within the city, there were a couple news articles that suggested that there was some issues. There were no issues we department have planned appropriately for months, I think, almost a year out, with regard to how we were going to staff elections, working with the Wayne County Elections Office, so we did not have any issues in the city of Detroit on election day. And for those who are acquainted tomorrow, there is a coffee and cake here tomorrow, from 12 to three with Corporal Alvin cherry. He will be retiring after 28 years with the Detroit Police Department. And that concludes my presentation today.
Any questions, Commissioner press,
thank you. Through the Chair, my question, the cause that I've been getting most frequently has been of residents who are concerned of suspected home being used for drug activity on their block. And so they'll often, like, send me an address, and you know, hope that DPD will go by. Can you explain what a resident should expect if they provide DPD a address where they feel like their suspected drug activity?
So what happens there? The information will be forwarded to our major violator section, they will conduct an investigation. The citizens are welcome to provide information to Detroit Police Department direct and report to the city's arms Busman office district managers. They can report the information in a variety of ways, but it will be forwarded to the major violator section. They will actually conduct an investigation that may until surveillance and a number another of other investigative tools determinate whether or not this house is being used at that capacity. If they determine that it is, they will conduct their investigation. It will be probably raised on a location. People will be arrested, arrested and once presented to prosecutor's office. Okay,
thank you, and I appreciate that, particularly the surveillance part, because I think for some of these residents, their expectation is when they provide the information they're expecting, to see a police vehicle, I guess within the hour or so, but obviously there's some time of accuring potential evidence before taking that step. But then, in line with that, for some who have gone through that process, has been investigated. Rates have been done. They have lifted challenges. Where the people come back? Is there anything the DPD does to ensure that after a period of time, those homes aren't reopened for drug activity? So
it's not necessarily what we do. We DPD does? We do present some of that information to the city's law department, for them to take whatever measures that they can with regard to enforcing that no one lives in that house or whatever, we will provide the information to out of the mayor's office at a law department. Okay, then lastly,
in the line with the same question, concerns about confidentiality. So there's some neighbors who know that this drug activity going on, and they're afraid to be the ones being noted as to call the police trying to avoid any potential retaliation that might come from doing so. So how does DPD hold the confidentiality of these neighbors who might be alerting you of a potential drug activity
in these homes? Well, the
anonymous neighbor information is never given. That's where the surveillance and all the other investigative tools come in, just just because your neighbors face that they don't like you, they may not like you, and you know, they may want to use, least in a capacity that we should not be used in to cause trouble. So that's where the investigative aspects comes in that and usually during that time, the neighbor we may not even know who made the complaint. That's where the tip lines come in and things of that nature. Okay, thank
you. Thank you. Chair, Yes,
Commissioner Bernard,
just a couple of things, really. These are for the benefit of the of the public, and if you have something to to comment on as well, that would be great deputy chief. The first is that for our community, the department is paying a $2,000 bonus to enter the Academy. If you live in Detroit, you get 1000 when you start training, and you get another 1000 when you graduate. If you are in the suburbs, it appears that you get $1,000 because we're trying to incentivize Detroiters to become Detroit police officers. So so much of the force, about 80% of it, are non Detroit residents. So therefore we're trying to non resident student police officers get a one time $1,000 bonus. So that's one of the things I just wanted to call to the attention of the public. The other thing is that the minute, where did I do with it? I have to write all the stuff down. The other thing, oh, when you have when you're on a no gun status, if you're a police officer, no, you cannot carry a taser either. I did not know that a taser was considered as dangerous as it is, but it's all written out here, a taser is a dangerous weapon, I guess, probably a deadly weapon. I'm not sure. Maybe you can respond to that, but if they you can't carry a taser or a gun and a no gun status. So maybe you can elaborate, if you don't mind through the
Chair. Yes, you are absolutely correct. Commissioner Bernard, a taser is classified by the ATF is considered a weapon, firearm. So that's why, when we have we make someone no gun status, they are not allowed to carry their Taser as well.
I just have one question as well. I know that we've taken over policing of busses, and I guess the little train that runs up and down Woodward de queue line. First of all, I don't really, I never really understood why we did that. I've met some people from the transit authority, and they said that most of the people that ride busses are students. They're used to dealing with the students and older people that do it there, you know, because they've been doing it for years now. So they're, they're familiar with the lines and everything. So why we now have to train people to be transit police officers, which is a whole nother sort of paradigm. Then, you know, the ordinary I call the police because I've got a problem. I think I'm being broken or not being raped, or whatever. So why is that and and what is the nature of your training to make ordinary real, real police officers? In my opinion, you know comfortable with doing what is really considered sort of mundane, sort of people, type of job.
And we know that transit police are real police officers. Well, I know a
different mindset? Was it dealing with kids every day? So
that's what I was going to say. So Transit Police are considered regular police. So what we did was we actually just transferred, we put out a transfer request when we took over transit police to find out what officers who would want to go to the trans the transit unit, we got a number of officers who were interested in that assignment on transit just, not just carry students. There are a lot of adults who hide the city bus. I don't know if you've ever been to a mayor's district meeting. They speak intimately and quite massively about the transit system in system in the city, there have been some criminal issues, some criminal element issues. You had bus drivers who were being attacked and a number of other issues. You have people who were being robbed. So quite frankly, I think they went to the mayor and just asked if DPD, based on our law enforcement experience, could take over Transit Police. And I think that's a decision that was made
every city has Transit Police. I was surprised that we no longer have, if you will, just a transit police unit that you know it really responsible for riding a bus and all that kind of stuff, right? Okay,
any any further questions? No further questions here. Yes, sir, I have
a question. I raised this question last week. We had, we had, we had a sergeant that was killed, that was a member of this department, a request for for the board to review the now one call that was made, we want to know what really went on on that particular day, commissioners, we were out and and training in Arizona when this broke. The news was very alarming to hear from other cities are asking commissioners what were going on in Detroit, which we had no idea. You know what we're going on, but we learned about this while we were away in training in Arizona. I like for this department to to give us a update, because this is the officer involved shooting. We don't know what really went on. We have not seen body worn cameras video. We have not heard the 911, call. But this was a member of this department 16 years on the job that was respected by many members of this department, and so we can go off of words or accusations. We need to look at the facts, and we need to hear that 911, call and hear what we know what was said. We need a thorough investigation of this. We need to get to the bottom of this. We need to know what really happened, what went wrong. We have not had any updates and something like this. It was definitely embarrassing, very shocking across the country. How can something like this happen? We need to know what happened is that that sergeant had a family, that officer had a family. He had members of this department that he worked with, that cared about him. And as a commissioners, we have to exit out for this year, for this year, for this responsibility to get to the bottom of what really occurred. We don't have, we only we don't know. We don't know what happened. We haven't, we haven't requested one single thing. I requested this a week ago at last week's meeting. So this is seven days ago that I requested to hear the 911 call and a thorough investigation and an update. We need a we need a update to what occurred. Can you prepare that for us, Chief so
thank you for that, Commissioner Burton, no one was as shocked about the circumstances as we were. We have interim chief medicine starting next week, and we'll alleviate your concerns with regard to an update regarding that investigation
to help the chief to the chair to the chief, yes, sir, an additional question follow up. Another question was raised by Commissioner banks out of district three, as well as I raised a couple of questions last week as well, pertaining to the football player that was stopped. What updates do you have for that? Apparently, it appears it was a good stop. But overall, there, you know, were, I guess a gun was recovered or whatever. And we need to know who gave the authority to let Williamson go, if this was Pookie ray, ray, anyone else in the community get caught with a gun? I they would never got let go. They would have never gotten the pass. So why? What's What's the issue here? Can someone give us an update on what happened that that's at that stop? We like to review those body worn cameras as well and audio, and we want to know who gave the authority to let Williamson go when he got pulled over riding with a gun. We don't have the full story, and that's what we asking for. The full story somebody gave the authority to let Williamson go. Who was that person? We want a thorough investigation on that as well.
So regarding that case, Commissioner bird, I don't have any update with you regarding that case. Beyond that, a warrant request was submitted to the Wayne County prosecutor's office. I'm not sure whether or not a decision has been made with regard to that case, with regard to who was given authority, I could not tell you that. I do know that an investigation was routed to find out whether or not there was any criminality or there was any improper procedures with regard to how that case was handled.
And I will just speak in general that Mr. Williams is a young black man, and just like any other young black man in the city of Detroit, they deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. You know, I wouldn't convict him in the public like that, as if he did something wrong. And so he deserved due process, just like anybody deserved due process. And so I would leave it at that. I wouldn't say anything further on that, on a board officer here, excuse me, I
request to ask, excuse me. Let me finish. And I gave the order to let Williams go when he got pulled over by with a gun. We do have a power. We do have policies on this type of nature. A request has been made last week, as well as has been made
point of order. It's not recognized by
the just very
quickly, very briefly. The mere fact that a person is pulled over does not mean that the officer actually had probable cause for the stop. Furthermore, there is no right to search a vehicle unless you ask the person for permission. The driver of the car had a CCW and had his had his license and gun with him. The other gun was found under the other passengers seat, according to
the press, according to we don't know it. We don't know what happened there. Let me, let me. Let me end it right here, because I don't want us to be very, very careful.
Yeah, for the video and audio. Got
a title to that this thing is in the prosecutor office and and we, we await their decision. Let's go to oral communication.
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, we currently have seven speakers, of five of those in person, and two on Zoom.
Chair, I'm glad I apologize before we get into public comment, is to the last conversation while I do recognize that there is an open investigation and it is in the prosecutor's office to determine the standing of that case. I do think that there's some validity to Commissioner Burton's request about who gave what kind of order and so again, under the purview of trying to determine police misconduct and if any was actually done. Again, I do think that it should be a matter of record and following up with the department to get that feedback on how actually that was communicated down that whatever the initial stop was, how it came to its 1,000%
in agreement, there's an internal investigation that's taking place too. That was stated last week, and we await the conclusion of that internal investigation. They emphasize it's an internal investigation, so that stuff has been internally investigated. But when it comes to the criminal aspect, we're not in no position to condemn nobody to as guilty and no board of police commission meetings. So I agree with you, Brother commissioner or communications,
yeah, Mr. Eric bond, followed by Miss sharnita Williams, followed by Miss Bernice Smith.
Good afternoon, board. I'm Minister Eric bond from Sacred Heart Catholic church right here in Detroit. Good afternoon, this, this, this whole citizen complaint issue brings up just a press of of issues. So Commissioner Presley, glad you're here, but under your leadership, there was not a 2023 annual report issued by the board of police commissioners. We'd like to know why it could be that it was a 50% increase in citizen complaints. So Commissioner woods, with another 50% increase in citizen complaints over 2023 we expected annual report from you as well. I on to OCI, if 90 days is considered a backlog, how do you guys close a case over 125 cases that were from 2021 that's like super backlog just doesn't make any sense. And when it comes to allegations, the categories are very, very manipulated. From my point of view, when I filed a complaint, the category was totally false, in my opinion. So when we do a citizen complaint review and we categorize them, I think it's absolutely necessary that the citizens need to be provided with a definition of the categories of allegation and agree to that category anything else could be deemed to be manipulation. So when you talk about year over year things, and only 20% of the cases of allegations were sustained, a 5% increase from last year. What about the last five years? And the last thing I'd like to say is OCI brought up a whole issue of handcuffs without being arrested. Does that trend continue? And is that considered police misconduct? Thank you. Thank
you very much. Next speaker,
Miss Williams through the Chair. Yes. I don't know if the board secretary might be able to communicate the distribution of the annual 2003 report. I know that we did get an email that state is in draft review, and I think that the email states that we're hoping to have it published by the end of the month. I don't know if that's still the timeline, but just so that the citizens are aware,
we will follow up and an announcement will, excuse me, an announcement will be forthcoming. We do anticipate pretty about a week, week and a half, right after In fact, we looked at a draft just this morning, so it's about ready to go to prep.
Thank you. Okay, absolutely, Mr. Brown, it was this 2023 report release. What was that report that you sent show me the other day?
It was 2020 No,
it was 2022 Okay, all right.
All right. Hello, chair. It'll be a year, less than two months, when I was raped. Nothing's come out of this, right? I continue to continue to say that my rape is being covered up and my life is constantly in danger. I constantly come into these meetings complaining about the same issues. So, like I said, it's not acceptable when you guys are not doing your job correctly. I went to OCI the other day, matter of fact, yesterday, and the complaints that I had, I know Sergeant Robinson is very detailed when I get heard the complaints at the second precinct. And I was complaining about officers in the shelter at 3426 Michelle Hall, and I described the color of her hair, and I said 613, and from me going in there making complaints, and then when it gets to OCI, the complaints are different. And I know she was very detailed when I gave her these complaints. It's an issue when I'm making complaints against officers, and when I get to OCI, my complaints are totally different. And two officers that was in the patrol car, 2250 36 one of the officers called me a bitch, that was not in the complaint either. Okay,
ma'am, watch your mouth. No, I'm
going on with the with this. Okay,
I understand. Okay,
so you wasting my time. No disrespect. Okay, so at the end of the day, I have to watch my mouth and be very mindful what I say up here. But, um, I continue to to continue, continue to talk about people not doing their job correctly, and to the spine, cover up anything illegally. And like I said, at these shelters, they are not just living in these facilities. They're taking space from homeless people. And there's officers that work in these facilities too, and record me and violating my civil rights. And that's my issue for today. Thank you. Have a great day.
Mr. Smith,
good afternoon to my
Good afternoon commission,
young lady, welcome. Well, we all been excited for this week, and I'm not going to talk about it, but anyway, what I want to say more. First of all, what is your meeting going to be? In regards to I would like to attend through the
chair, November 13, yes, 5:30pm at the Wendy's on living noise and Grand River,
in regards to
just community concerns.
Oh, okay, that's all I want. I didn't know whether it was something special that you wanted us to come and hear you. The whole world can come, alright, baby. I'll be there Dan now we we have had a terrible report today. Every time I come every week, somebody's at some party shooting and going on. What is wrong with us? Do we have to carry guns 24 hours a day? And anyway, I think now it's time for us to check people when it comes to your house for a party, because look like they got guns and shooting going on. I mean, I sit here and listen to this report, it's terrible. Also, do we have no peace in our neighborhood anymore? That's another thing that I wanted to ask you about. So those are the two things that I I'm concerned about now, some things that my mother used to tell me all the time, and I think we should address it here, and for you to listen to it every time a fool speaks, he's advertising his ignorance. We cannot sleep walk through our life. Detroit cannot cross the finish line if you don't participate in the race. Also you have the power, and we got to start using it now. Then I have another one that says we are living in a state of destruction. Racial injustice is the black man's burden. We must pray. Okay.
Next speaker, the next set of speakers, Mr. Chair would be Mr. Jante Smith, followed by Miss Michelle. George.
Thank you, Woods. You're welcome.
I like your Commissioner Burton, but you bringing that Jameson Williams is really, really detrimental to young black males with a firearm. So I have a CPL, so I'm riding my vehicle. Anybody who has a firearm longest registered to them, even if they're not in my vehicle, I can have eight firearms with me, as long as none of them are stolen. They're in my vehicle. They're in my possession legally. I can carry them. So one person has a Cpl. As long as a firearm is not on the person that is riding with me, they're fine. There was a fifth precinct officer who was arrested for selling drugs, and she beat the case. She was had a felon in possession of a firearm in her vehicle with her, and beat the case. So I want to talk about that also, how often does the towing commission for the board meet? I have never seen a toll committee meeting on the on the schedule at all, ever. I also want to talk about the fact that I got pulled over within the last two weeks from the seventh precinct Special Operations Officer. It looked like Tiger. Officer. It looked like Tigris. I forgot. I don't know his name, but I've seen him before. He knows me, and he said he pulled me over, asked and I break any traffic laws. He said, No, because I didn't have insurance, which is to my to my knowledge, you have to pull a person over for a moving violation. Not having insurance is not a reason to pull a person over. That is a reason to search a vehicle, which did not happen. But even though I do have insurance, it doesn't matter. My thing is we have, we have a lot of procedural issues inside this department. I mean, maybe not, but especially afford to be a Special Operations Officer pulling me over to say I have no insurance. And I'm sure there are people on the seven precinct that are killing people selling drugs through other things that are more important than to try to pull a person over because they have no insurance. And I feel like through the work that I do, I'm a target for some officers, especially in the seven precinct, because I seem to get bothered by seven precinct officers very often. Also, um, I want to mention that Trump promise of immunity to officers that is not going to help you guys out, especially not Detroit. Like, you know, those, those illegal devices that have cost switches, these young people got them. Y'all think y'all think y'all can over police people because of this problem. So immunity not going to happen. Um, also, just going to lead to more lawsuits for the city. Also, I hate to say it, but Commissioner Smith just kind of interesting. You just out of all the time you don't say anything. The one time you say something, somebody says the language that the officer said to them, that's the only time that you respond to anything. And when Tara called you out, that's kind of interesting.
Thank you. Next caller or next speaker, Miss George,
so nothing about the the toll committee. No. Toll
committee, the chair.
We don't have a date. Next Next speaker, yes,
thank you.
Excuse me, excuse me,
excuse me. I'm the right one. Next
speaker,
good afternoon. Good afternoon, Deputy Chief and to this honorable board, I do want to say a few weeks ago, the white lady that was caught by Officer parish and Officer flannel did an excellent job. Stephanie Marie binder, I went to her case, so she was sentenced to three years. She was the one that kidnapped those four African American children, so I was glad to see her serve some time, throwing her name out there, just in case they let her out early to do that. So she was charged, and thank God for three years, even though she has some concerns about her money. But I do want to thank and I said this in front of Mayor Duggan at his meeting to kudos to Officer parish and flannel. Also, I wanted to speak on just hoping that the police complaint committee meeting is that, is there a meeting that will be scheduled soon with the citizens complain? I see it all the time. I apologize. Correct it. Yeah,
there's one scheduled for November the 19th, at 3:30pm Okay,
so So hopefully, and I do hear about a lot of the the inappropriate language by police. So hopefully, when a new recruit start, maybe you can have a sheet of paper where you can say, relax, you being don't, do not resist with, you know, just putting out that word an inappropriate words, because we already see what's going to happen next year with stop and frisk and everything, just like the young man stated. So we want to start early to make sure things are done correctly. And I'm medicine is not here, but it's good to I wish chief white the best, but to have our other chief. Thank you.
Thank you so much. Hold on through, through the chair. Can
you give me that name again, please? Oh, those officers. They were officer the woman. Oh, Stephanie. Marie binder, thank you.
Yes. All right, thank you. Uh next speaker,
Mr. Chair, the next three speakers will be from zoom, starting with Mr. Rule, this Marguerite matter and former Commissioner William Davis, okay, Mr. Rule,
hey, Darryl woods, Darrell woods, listen to this. Now, if board of police commissioners had a one person towing committee that was headed up by Willie Bell, and he also, to my knowledge, was a housing director of the towing trap located right across the street from Detroit Receiving Hospital. Now we got number of authorities in the city of Detroit, just operating under contracts and making agreements, but there was no public notice in violation of Michigan State law, no public notice given the citizens the right to referendum, and we also got a Detroit City Clerk, Chairperson of the election commission, that on April 25 NFL Draft Day, told a bald faced lie, saying she had sent the findings on the allegations of voter fraud by anonymous citizen report to every member of council that was nine. The Mayor's office that was 10, and the law department that was 11, lies in one sentence. Now there was you walked in there after the board voted to subpoena the DPD case, two, zero, dash, 11112, the Michigan State Police findings and investigation that report, you told the Acting Secretary not to start the speed of process and instead to send a letter over to the Michigan State Police, because you have been talking to somebody over at the Michigan State Police and you you saw the board's directive, somebody make a motion remove this man as chair of the great police commissioners. Effectively, immediately.
Next caller. Miss. Office.
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that thank you So much. Next caller, Commissioner Davis, good afternoon. Could I be heard? Uh, you may be heard.
Okay, let me start off by saying that I was pleased because myself and the members of my team went around to all the various polling locations. Well, not all of them, but many polling locations. We're able to see that even though there was a lot of people in line, but there was no outside agitators that was doing anything, and I was pleased that we didn't have no major incident to make national news this year like we had in the past. Also, I am curious. I know before, when we had the Justice Department ended reviewing us because we had our outstanding backlog of cases. Do we do anyone know how many cases we had at that time that encouraged the Justice Department to come in? Because I think the number we have on backlog cases is still extremely high, and more effort needs to be done to reduce that. Also, separately, I was pleased to hear that there's an economic incentive for Detroiters to join the police department. Stuff like that. Y'all should be really spreading the news and, you know, encouraging that. Also, I know Mary waters of Detroit City Council has a proposal about police fire, EMS, about getting extra incentives, like, say, reduction of property taxes, whatever, if they move back into or stay in the city Detroit, I think this group should also be advocating for that in Lansing, to encourage more police officers to live in the city and to move back into the city. Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Mr. Chair, that was the last speaker.
All right, thank you so much. Let's go to the secretary report
the chair, the incoming communications for today you will find on your tab 11, which is the chief investigators, weekly inventory report, the announcements for the week are, our next board meeting is Thursday November 14, at 6:30pm Adams bustle Recreation Center located at 10500 Linden Street. And the next community meeting is Thursday, December 12, 2024. Is 6:30pm location WC three district Curtis l ivory campus, which is located at 1001 West Fourth Street in Detroit. The next committee. Meetings of the board of police commissioners are as follows, Budget Committee Friday this Friday, November 8, 2024 at 2:30pm Policy Committee on next Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 5pm citizen complaints on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 at 3:30pm and the budget committee meets again on Tuesday, November 19, 2024 at 4:30pm this ends the report, sir.
Thank you very much, Mister
Chairman, yes, sir, Madam Secretary, I sent you three emails regarding follow up issues. Do you have a report on any of those?
No, sir, I don't I responded to, I believe, two of them, and what was if we met. Excuse
me, one second one was due today from the department, so I was really curious about that. I believe Commissioner Bernard made a request and gave the department two weeks. So I'll just
is that the one from HR? Do you
remember what you requested to the system chief? I do so many emails, I have to go back. Honestly, that was,
I think that was the one. And the HR director and I spoke, she's been off site, and they asked for a two week extension. I just got it late last night. So you know, I've been back and forth communicating. So I apologize. I did not know you wanted the report here, but yes, the department, I have been speaking on all of those, okay, I think about five total. Okay, okay, thanks.
All right, yes, so tomorrow the the special personnel training committee meeting will be occur, and they will finalize looking at the proposals for locking down the search firm for the to do a search for the chief, and so that's part of new business, and then through
the chair, yes, just and I hope it doesn't cause any issues, but just for clarification, is there a rationale between why we're using a special search committee for that process, as opposed to our personal training committee, because
having getting a number of folks at that meeting, okay, yep, yep. So it's been just trying to make sure we have coverage.
Thank you. Well, I would encourage you to have a conversation with our attorney only, because, again, as that committee was created last year. There was some very specific guidelines for what it was being used for. So just to ensure that, you know, as the wisdom that Commissioner Bill gave, that we are, you know, ensuring that there's no potential questions around the creation of that committee to be able to handle Absolutely,
and it's essential to personnel training committee, but that's giving them extra help. Okay, yeah, yeah, all right, and it's been led by Commissioner Hernandez, okay, the the chair of the personnel training committee.
All right.
The this is going to be a four minute recess.
We're going to fill up on the new business.
Okay, I was about to go into closed session, but we, if you want to do it now, you can do it when we come back, because we still that'll still be on a new business.
We'll come back.
All right, all right. Three minute recess closed door. Set Point
of order. We need a motion to go about to
make a motion entertain a motion to go into closed door. So moved, second by Commissioner the wash and second by Commissioner Bernard. Any discussion? All in favor? Say, Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed, the motion is carried. It's a four minute reset, three minute recess.
Yeah, they still got me on committee. I hear
hammer, talking about me.
What would I do? Like that? I'll tell you when you Hotel the chair Mission Number Nine,
