was on my calendar for one o'clock so I don't know if others saw that too I almost hung up
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when you log in to zoom it says you know meeting will start
Oh, I see what you're saying because I'm on the zoom it says that it starts
on the calendar starts right now.
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um the new Mary the meeting starts at one, right? Um
130 to 130 pieces because Mary was going to join us at 130 Okay. Yeah, I'm trying to see where, um, so I had told her I was like, Oh, why don't we go ahead and do 1pm and then you jump on it 130 Because I know she was she wasn't in a meeting prior to this. So let me just send a note to the Novia because I hope there wasn't any confusion, because I feel like on the email, I said, Yeah, but maybe that's why the Zoom is only is probably throwing people off.
Senator, I mean, if she doesn't, if maybe like we give it another five minutes and then if that's not the case, maybe we jump on I want that. I mean, yeah, you probably have a hard stop at two right? Yeah.
Oh, I think your mute Yeah, me. Sorry. There was a meeting right now my office that jumped off to join this one.
So yeah, I'm a little I don't know what's happening
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get ourself into Okay, um, well, why don't we I was an obvious on the waiter. Great. Awesome. Great timing.
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Hi. Sorry. Sorry if there was any confusion. Dan had flagged that on the zoom it had said 130 instead of one so I hope that didn't throw you off or anything.
I was going to email you. I was waiting to get in. And then the one that means I was going to email you. Oh, that was weird.
Okay, well, well, I'm gonna we're both on or the that side three of us are on. I know Mary is gonna jump on 130 Pacific time. So just in 24 minutes, she has a meeting so I figured we could just kind of get the ball rolling and then Mary can jump in and share her thoughts if that works for you all. Cool. So how's everyone just a quick little round of check ins How's everyone doing? today or this week?
Doing okay, for those heavy zoom days? Lots of calls?
Yeah. Yeah, I second that. i It's been back to back since the legal services working group meeting so okay, let me so I'm just gonna share the screen real quick. And y'all can let me know if you can see it. Can I see that? Yep. Okay, awesome. So we had when we last connected, I believe was January 31. So it's been it's been a minute and we did shift a bit of the title and you know, cleaned up the description a little bit. are commenting that and so instead of like just saying shifting philanthropic practices or shifting power by shifting practices so I think I think that I actually really liked this this this edit I worked out pretty well but we largely kept the description pretty much the same. And then I prior to this call, I was just I read listen while I listened to the to the author notes that we had from our last call. And just sort of was trying to like, you know, just to refresh myself and sort of what, where everyone was coming from, and there was a lot of synergy. about talking about infrastructure. You know, public private partnerships, you know, supporting the movement in an intentional way, right. It's been with the intent to like shift power and shift practices to build the infrastructure of the movement. And so I kind of I added these two pieces to the gold session, which was, you know, participants will walk away with, you know, being able to learn and share with each other best tips and advice to shifting practices in their institutions. And I was thinking about it as you know, I think, folks are coming from all angles into this space. And I, I'm curious if it can be a space where, you know, where there's co learning and CO sharing happening, just given, you know, where folks are at in their respective institution. And so that's the first thing that came to mind. And then the second thing was having an in depth understanding of the importance of public private partnerships was sort of the most like second immediate thing. And I left you know, I highlighted list two of their goals because I wanted to talk to you all. Yeah, about if there are additional goals or you know, that we should capture here, but then also, these two goals. Yeah, does it is it okay, and like, Should we add it, move it around? So I wanted to have a discussion on that. And then later on to just jump into q&a. And the small breakout session and get your perspective as well. So I'll just pause there but and just start with the goals but if you have any questions,
yeah, let me know. Learn and share with each other. Are you is that the panelists? Are you talking about everyone and is that part of like this smaller breakout? I guess, I mean, walk us through how that's gonna happen.
Yeah, I I was trying to imagine how you know, just some of that we're not it because part of the part of the conversation last time you all felt like presentation would be great, but you didn't want to just talk at people the entire time, right? So like, how to make it as engaging as possible. And we have about 20 minutes of breakout space. So it could look like folks just sitting in, in groups of three, or in groups of two or depends how many people are going to come to the workshop, but sharing with each other, their strategies and how they've been able to navigate shifting practices within their institution or I was just trying to get like a space of like, learning and sharing with each other. But also, if that doesn't make sense, we can totally pull that out. I just wanted to name that.
Okay, thank you. Now that's fine with me. i Yeah. Tried to get are they going to share out any sort of themes with a larger group at the end? How does that work?
Yeah, um, yeah, we have like a five minute optional large group report back.
Yeah, one thing I like about workshop models is that you can collect information from the audience. And so there's a mechanism to get good ideas and record them somehow, whether it's report back or some someone can take, take notes and then bring them back to you. That would be that would be interesting. To see what other practices are out there.
wondering at what point you wouldn't know how many people will be at the session? Because 20 minute breakout is probably enough depends on how many people are in each of the breakout groups by so you may want to have a little bit more time for the report back if we have like, say three books. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Some of the I think time it could be a little festival or the discussion part. Could be 40 minutes and more three minutes. So that it's not talking at people the whole time,
right? Yeah. Yeah, cuz you're probably gonna need a minute or so for to even transition, right because people are gonna be asking too, so there's gonna be a facilitated q&a session and then the breakouts Okay, yeah, I was just I was thinking about the goals is like, here's like our Northstar, right and for me, it's it's how do we share folks in an authentic way? Like, this is, you know, my institution's journey to getting to someplace but also like, here's all the incredible work I've been able to do. I just feel like it's just always something that I think people need to hear and people appreciate is that peer to peer sharing and learning and so just had that up there. So it seems like these goals are pretty good unless y'all have any thoughts on any additional goals, we can add.
Okay, awesome. I'll see if maybe Mary also may have any additional goals. Um, so I'll just jump to the q&a. Just because last time, you know, our first call was a lot of just brainstorming and CO creating together right. And again, it's I know it's been a while so I don't know if you've all had the chance to look at the notes from from the last meeting or I can also just give you like a quick little like, rerun it what happened at the last meeting, but you know, I this time around I've kind of honed in on the questions a little more. And I was thinking, you know, why do these questions sit right with you all, are there additional questions we need to think about? And then I think just delegating, who's going to be taking what questions or if it's, you know, maybe I can ask one question to two folks or I don't know if that's if that's sort of where we're looking to go. And so as you can see here, folks will be coming in. There'll be like a G sir. Welcome with logistics, framing into participants in the moderator. I'll be the moderator. But I I'll be able to do more of the framing so that people know what they're walking into right in terms of the panel discussion. And I was thinking we can start off by just being like Welcome. Please share. With us more Oh, Mary's jumping on. Great. Mary. I'm just sharing screen we're going over the questions for for the panel and just kind of making sure that it fits or needs to be moved around or needs to be taken out. But we're just kind of talking about the q&a and well, pretty soon we'll go into the small breakout session but I'll sharing that you know, in terms of just getting the conversation going, I thought you know, doing a welcome, you know, asking you all to please share a little bit about your organization, your grant making strategy, your focus area, so people know, just sort of your approach and how you've been right thrown into this work and then from you know, the first thing that popped out was like, why is it important for Philanthropy to shift practices and empower in this moment we're living in I think, and I think a lot of folks already know, but I think it's just important to keep reminding like we're, we're a unique period and as a sector and so yeah, like why is it important? To share to shift practices and power? And then kind of going into examples of how your organization's have shifted practices in your grant making strategy or in your programming, etc. Just so that people have something to latch on to and then how can Philanthropy leverage its position to partner with with government, and I was thinking a lot about the things that you shared at the last meeting, Dan, and things they use it you also shared an Obeah around your public private partnerships that you all have worked on. So I just think it's important to just have a question to name that and then sharing a little bit more about your organization's journey to shifting practices and power. And then this this question question if I didn't know how to structure it, but I basically wanted to just kind of have a question around like, What Can Philanthropy do to support the infrastructure building of the Immigrant Movement? What does it look like in your current work? And just having a final question around recommendations for funders, you know, as they're looking to shift power in their institutions, or practices, etc, so I'll just pause there, but welcome any feedback or reflections?
I was just thinking like the 40. The question, it almost seems like, but I guess it's not unfair or something for people who come to our sessions. Obviously, they you know, believer that the 15 the dynamic is important and they are either doing it or figuring out how to do it. Is it possible that there may be non believers that would be coming to the session, so that we may need to kind of ask a question differently. So I'm saying for people who are poor believe or who, who are already figuring out or doing, you know, the power shifting thing, and this is just like, a happy occasion to care and learn from each other. But then there may be other funders that are not even close to there yet. But they may be just curious to see what is the still at thing that you guys are talking about? So how do we kind of bring them into the fold in the discussion? That's what I'm asking. Okay. Yeah,
yeah. And I'm wondering if the piece that you're speaking to synovia is something that can be I don't know here. I don't know the breakout small groups piece to like, I think there's a wonderful, there's an element there too, because this this one is for the questions. I'll be asking the three of you and then the breakouts is like, you know, where they're going to be interacting with each other and so but yeah, that's a really good perspective action.
Yeah, I think that's a really good question. And I wonder if we all say Why shifting practices might be important? And what does that look like for your individual? No work. No Pay won't be able to get too much detail about, you know, I work for a private family foundation, which has a, you know, in a very, very structured particular grant making sort of priorities. But even within that sort of rigid confines, I think there's a lot of ways that we can shift grant making so that we can bring in, you know, grantee perspectives and what we do, how we do it. And then even in the public private partnerships, one thing that we do that, you know, I want to talk about is how we help grantees come into this sort of program and grant making space to provide ideas to government and Philanthropy without being adversarial without looking at, you know, without without lobby without mitigation, if it gets a different way to actually have power. That I think is kind of unique to sort of the role that Philanthropy can play. And that's, that's within a family foundation that has a very, like, very specific, narrow priorities. I think it's there's still ways to experiment and allow for, you know, shifting practices and shifting power.
Yeah, I think for me, it's kind of similar to Dan in the sense that we're also a Family Foundation at the Durfee foundation, but we don't have a specific issue area that we focus on though immigration is an important component of the work that we're funding. But something I think that I've pulled from my experiences and engaging with the trust faceful and every project that Durfee is a part of is, you know, meeting people where they are and so talking about shifting practices in a multitude of layers, right, you don't have to do everything overnight. But what are steps you can start to take to instigate that change, whether it be at the board level, whether it be at the staff level, there's different entry points, and conversations as well as resources to talk about how do we shift power in the sector.
Trying to capture it and we also have otter so make sure to capture these
Yeah, I love I love that point around meeting people where they're at. And I think that's a tension right, that sometimes we deal with. It's like, we're ready to move with the folks that are ready. But then there's also like, you know, there's folks that that need to that we need to intentionally build with over time.
Yeah, I think it's a really good point. Good question from Fabia to about non believers out there and so how we frame this conversation can also if it needs to be careful so that we don't scare off the non believers and it's still meeting where they are, you know, like, I think some of the there's a lot of tension I feel like around trust be glad to be in in in sort of presenting and as you know, just transfer the money and look away kind of scary to a lot of funders, but there's so much in between, you know, that's the part I think we could talk a lot about
I guess he was really different from both of you. We are not a foundation but we have a client making a grant making function, but we also create programs that we use to raise money so that we can make grants from so we are kind of at the mercy in some ways. Has a foundation by so they have to be interested in funding what we what we want to do so so it's it's a really kind of tricky dynamic and that's why I brought up the non believers question because here Texas access to justice foundation is the main funder for legal services. But, you know, they their funding also come from the legislature. I mean, Texas legislature is just not like immigrants. So how do you convince them that some of the money should go to fund immigration work? And how do you package your ask in a way that, you know, they won't notice it? Or they won't find it offensive? Right. So kind of thinking about it from that perspective as well. patch of itself support immigration work, right. But therefore the funding is sort of elsewhere on the issue. And I guess in some foundation, you know, you may have a mixture of people, you know, stabbing board or not seeing things eye to eye, and so that could make you know this shift a little challenging to do
that's also a really good point. When you said non believer, you think we did a whole different level. But non believer means in Texas, which is different. But yeah. But that's a really good point. Like I imagine there'll be a lot of local funders at the at the conference that are like, public private partnership. Like it's not even the conversation here, but they're you know, I think about like
10 generally like for you to have, like for the Targeted Universalism approach that Utah Powell talks about where, you know, you don't have to be afraid of immigration or immigrant rights work, but you know, if you're working in a community that's mostly immigrant and you're trying to or you know, has a large constituency of immigrants, but you're trying to address the specific area work that's gonna help them, you know, that, I think is another sort of framing that that can be useful to talk about, like Are you familiar with John Powell and targeted universalism and his framework where basically you have for it's it's kind of very shorthand way of saying it, it's like, you know, for like lifting up all boats, like there's a way that we targeted inequity community that really faces inequity. The framing has a larger goal, you can still lift up that that particular community.
This is also the point that Mary made earlier that meetings are where they are. So a funder is interested in funding health care. Health credits, also Amazon issued to less primate that way or education. Yeah, I think that is important.
So great, and that can be back a follow on there. Like question, Judy. Or whatever, are on recommendations or advice.
Back to making a lot of noise. How just so what do we I guess, like in terms of the remainder of the questions, how is it sitting with you all? Um, does it capture the scope of what you all wanted to talk about? You know, I was thinking, right, like, there's so many ways you can talk about infrastructure. You know, and I was trying to like, capture it, you know, there's like movement and for sure, but then there's also like, legal services, infrastructure and funding infrastructure. So I just, I don't know I just I want to make sure like, it's a big kind of like, almost umbrella and we can capture a lot of it. I know you all will probably talk about it when you're answering the questions anyway. But if you feel like these questions are sort of broad enough that it does that. I can just, you know, keep it moving but
got a question about Texas fun to be in its culture. I feel like I read that that, like the private sector did a really good job during the pandemic. And like with the freeze to step up, and when the government did not, is there was there something is that when first of all, is that true? And then second of all, is there something there that can be gleaned about how to develop partnerships? Okay, kind of reading about like mutual aid programs that were funded? Like we can do bear in South Texas. You know, other rural counties where private Philanthropy was able to help.
Yeah, I am not too familiar with you know, the rural area, but definitely during the free especially the mutual aid group, we're the first and most important relief entity to bring not necessary money but things like water food to the community. Generator, for example, when people are powerful for you know, they and, and a lot of them are actually led by what I call the rapid response immigrant, kind of image, anti immigrant rate active rapid response team. It's the same people that that kind of organize and use social media they use, like, organize people to respond. And then because, I mean, if the pandemic has done anything good is it really teach us to use social media more effectively? So as soon as someone send out information about where to get food, water, or gas, you know, which gas station has gas, we never thought that that would be an issue. Then people who have who have power who have access to internet will treat those information now. I mean, one example for us was that one of our staffers and was in Los Angeles during the free all of us had no power so we couldn't, no internet, no power, so we couldn't really do anything. So she was the one that you know, get information and tweet out information to our Twitter account. So it is it's kind of a multifaceted way to to respond to crisis. And in terms of financial assistance. United Way as you play a pretty key role in collector collecting and channeling those financial assistance to foster not eligible for any of the tax relief funds, and very Houston Community Foundation together with another way where the two major funder director funds to the community and he was just another kind of pressuring reacquainting entity. And and that was actually the main lesson that we learned on main lessons that we want to share with the funding community is that have faith in community have faith in the people in using the financial resources in the smartest way that they can to meet the you know, urgent needs? We should not prescribe you know, this money is only for rental assistance as money is only for food if money is only for medical care. So the financial system end up being kind of open ended, you know, give you $1,000 Use it as you will, and that was the first time that the financial assistance our clients are not prescribed for some purpose and during the freeze, you know, it was it was done in the same way but in a lot faster to get the money out the door. So, but this is this is Harris County right in Houston, which is not representative of the rest of the state. Outside of the municipality area. So so if this is just an exception and not the norm of Texas, convoluted way to answer your question then
really, nuggets there about why why changing clubs out of practices matters. I mean, you're talking about trying to address so many unthinkable problems that people if you had a really restrictive grant that it just wouldn't serve all the needs they just identified. So I think that's a really good point like at this time where we have you know, polarized society, anti immigrant governments, natural disasters happening in so many different ways that destroy communications and infrastructure, that you just have to be able to pivot a lot quickly. Like where you're just talking about the last two years. Talking about like, last 100 years. I mean, it's so it's like, yeah, I think that's in some of our grant cycles are only two years, you know, so that's a really good point to highlight. Why, why this matters to you right? It helps to be more flexible
Awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you for sharing. I can move us to the breakouts. I'm just trying to, since we're past the half hour mark, just to dive a little deeper into how we want folks to be engaged in the session, right? I mean, I don't imagine we'll probably need like a PowerPoint for this right. I feel like we could just engage in conversation and I think that should be fine. But in terms of the breakout small groups, I these are the sort of two things that came up for me and I thought, oh, maybe we can add one or two more questions here. But I yeah, I was kind of having a hard time with this. But I think for me, it's getting folks to reflect a little bit on what they heard from you all, to just sit with that information. And then, you know, sort of what are the ways in which you may support and help you to shift practices in your institution or? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it might not be the right question, but I just those are the two things that came that came up for me.
About during the discussion part, at the beginning, we invite people to kind of jot down one or two ideas of topics that they want to explore for the breakout session so that we won't be having 10 People come to the room and start from scratch. To hopefully half the people will actually take the advice and pick out one or two ideas to start the conversations during the breakout session. If not we can ask those two questions completely forgot that isn't in person I was I kept thinking how to do it and so
Oh, I still capture anyway. Yeah, we're done. Yeah, this one's in person will not be sorry. I mean, we can do a poll or something. Yeah, I was just kind of just trying to get folks to reflect and to share with each other. But if there's any like I don't know if there's any material or Yeah, we want we want folks to like read or to set with.
I mean, one of their websites like trust base philanthropy.org. Let me just share with the top 10 practices that are recommended there. I mean, how you implement these ideas is really a challenge challenging we have we have before hiring a consultant to help us think about this and I've talked to other we have a working group within the foundation, to think about how you engage in practices and to be it's a whole evolves everybody. Cliff with the help of a consultant and conversations with the board over the next two meetings. It's a big process and they've reached out to other foundations to think about how the data they give you the more like some of them hired evaluators to talk to all their grantees about this, like the Santa bird foundation. That's how they approached it. And then they had retreats and a consultant to work with him at the organization and on board. There's so many different ways, but it does seem like the principle seems to be you got to have it by across the organization to make changes because it influences everything like how you know, how what the board expects from you what kind of outcomes you're after, to reporting and what the grant how you know, the grantees talk about to work with you. How many times have talked to things like that, it's it's, it's quite a process, but um, I don't want I don't want that to be discouraging to people, because I think they should, you know, try to keep up with where the field is that they're serving.
I would actually add so for us, one of the things that we like to phrase it as the opposite of ChessBase, Philanthropy suspicion, baseline therapy, right? So reframing it as like, what type of approach do you want to have with your partners? And for Dorothy, maybe because we're smaller to how we got to this as not consultants at all. We really focused on developing our relationships with our partners so that we understood their needs better and so it's more of a PERT, like, when we talk about it, and we talk about it for more of a person a person approach right? You want to hear from the partners what's going on to to achieve your mission as a foundation you have to also work with your partner so that other component, right? And that's why we talk about our nonprofit partners as partners a lot of the time not as grantees because there's also this grantor grantee dynamic and so how do you even challenge that conversation right there moving forth to do this work together? Right. Those are two pieces that walk hand in hand and so you have to think about those components as you are engaging partners. So for me, I'd be happy to share out about kind of that process that we started on. Um, and then with the ChessBase Philanthropy document, I can probably find something for that.
That'd be great. Yeah, we'd love to I'd love to see that document. And yeah, I think the thing that comes to mind is and you know, you'll have touched on it like the evaluation and the metrics and like that, that in itself, right has often been used as a tool to like, you know, in power dynamics, but also just sort of, you know, preventing I think people in the field to building intentional relationships with people in Philanthropy, right. Like, I feel like there's that divide and I think part of it is how we even exactly St. Mary's, how we talk about grantees, but then also Yeah, like how to be more creative on how you collector your measurements, right like it does it have to do you have to put the grantee through like a million pages of report or it could it be you know, like a video or I don't know our conversation or an interview, but just something that kind of push it like even if it's like someone I don't know, in like the Midwest that has been doing something forever a certain way if it even gets them to, like, think beyond just that sort of, you know, way that they've been doing it, I think would be really powerful.
Yeah, there's a component on that to me. ChessBase Philanthropy super example. And again, I can provide examples for this. Allowing our partners to use grant proposals that they've submitted to another foundation, right? Is there really a need to, you know, redo everything or allowing copying and pasting for questions that might overlap and if there's certain questions that a foundation has that are unique to the foundation, then that's the only piece that perhaps they'd have to write or asking for more basic questions, or the technical aspects and then inviting the prospective grant recipient or organization into a conversation and then the onus then goes on the philanthropic organization to kind of type up the notes or have those conversations right and to gather that data and information in a way that's less onerous for the organization that's applying for a grant. But again, that also has to do with capacity and that's where kind of, you know meeting people where they're at what what does that look like for you? It's not going to look the same for every single organization, but there's pieces that organization can start to think about maybe shifting certain practices.
I think I you know, one thing that we're trying to adopt this philosophy of testing and learning just to try different things on, you know, to your point about we are we're assessing what's kind of permissible within our organizational framework, but testing ideas and, and learning and thinking about what that process looks like, for example, you know, listening to one of our grantees. They didn't want to do a written report or written proposal, they wanted to do a video. So which we know we decided to do anyone in the two years operating support grant. though things are, you know, things that are recommended space Philanthropy practitioner, and we've tested that out, it's learned but one thing I have to say maybe we can figure out a way to talk about this is from the downsides of these practices, or, you know, like, that particular group, I find it very hard to advocate for them with other funders, but they don't. How long ago was that snapshot, the video? It's been like, we haven't heard from them since, but other grantees that are in regular contact with us, who do give us like, written materials, or send us the updates regularly, or do briefings, you know, on a quarterly basis that verbally those ones I know really, wow, I know their work. And some of that funder calls me says, Hey, what do you think of this group? I have a ton of stuff to say because I think I'm very well informed. I would throw up to you. But the other group, I guess, I've lost either the content I can't advocate for that. So there's, I would just kind of flag some warning that there's something that you don't want to that will lead to disengagement and then reduce your ability as a player to advocate for more funding. For that group because just can't be as up to date on what's happening with testing and learning. I want to give that feedback to my grantee to say I appreciate what you want, but I can now I don't think completely at a loss about what you're doing. So not a great advocate
I don't know why assumption screen. Sorry about that. Um, yeah, I love the piece of experimentation. I think if we can invite folks to experiment that's really great. So I really like that. You know, this is kind of your point on Dan around like, also showing the sort of where like, you know, this, what are the sort of the downsides and you know, we're having this situation here. In Boston, where we had this leader who folks really vouch for invest, you know, grassroots leader was able to mobilize a lot of folks during the a lot of the marches in 2020. And then in 2017, really well respected there's been accusations around mismanagement of dollars and all of that stuff. And then, you know, that's sort of been blown up on the globe, and now everyone in town is talking about it, and it's, you know, she's been indicted. Like, there's like, there's this whole sort of thing. And I was caught, I was talking to someone and they were like, you know, but the thing that I was kind of pushing on was like, even though we even if this person did do that, which was not even confirmed, right? We can't not do the work you know, I mean, like we can't, we can't stop the trust base. Philanthropy work because maybe one person did something that wasn't ethical or whatever. Right. And so I just I don't know how to. Yeah, I don't know if this is the example but I just I guess to me, it's like the thing that came up for me as you were talking, it's like that there's risks to even doing this. Like, are you But are you willing to kind of like stick through the long run to write because there's a lot of really great people doing really great work. Who can be you know, get caught in the crossfire when these things happen?
Yeah, I would think flagging that there's a risk but then there's this mitigation strategy, like, think for folks who don't want to deal with proposals reports. You know, the what I was, I think the mitigation strategy there would be like to quarterly check in for you know, do more interim oral presentations. And so that your program officer has the language to be able to advocate for you with other funders and, you know, lift up your profile. Because it's not great when you just get a grant and disengage, disappear. Super, you know, and then your example I mean, there might be other mitigation strategies around due diligence to just check in to see if there's something a red flag occurring, or at least be well versed on what happened so that, you know, if you're bored or whoever audits you, you can say, we did luck but these are not things are so obvious.
Yeah, I would I definitely agree with everything that Dan just said. And then for our for example, for us, we asked for it annual financial reports. Right. So ChessBase Philanthropy is just necessarily giving up all the reins. It's thinking about how to make a partnership easier for both sides. Um, I think that's a better way to frame the conversation, right? Because I think as Dan so aptly mentioned, so many folks think of trust based Philanthropy and they're like, so completely hands off. And there's definitely some funders that are like that, and that's their approach. But there's ways in which you can lessen the burden of work paper work in particular so that organizations have the capacity to continue doing the direct services work, outreach to community that you know, both organizations want when the funder and also the organization's mission is to do the work. So, you know, I think providing examples of different ways, again, this is how you kind of go back to this conversation of meeting people where they are. So you know, again, there should be opportunities to check in to make sure you know, as a funder, we do have this full responsibilities to adhere to, and at the same time, you know, partners that we're working with having it's about building those relationships at the end of the day. That's what trust based Philanthropy is so that both pieces are moving the work forward.
That's really great. I love that. Um, yeah, that's really great. Okay, well, I it seems like these questions then, are the great breakouts, they resonate with you all, or at least for now, though, so if you if anything comes up after this meeting. Where you're like, oh, wait, actually, could we reshift this a little bit, feel free to shoot me an email? I can, I can just add it to this piece. But yeah, I just I really I just love the idea of folks being able to learn colonna with each other. And I think if we can create the conditions for that, whether it's in pairs or in groups of three, I don't know, we're aiming, you know, ideally, would be 40 to 50 people per session. I don't know if we'll actually have 40 to 50 people just given you know, like, I don't know how, ultimately how many people sign up and then registration and all that so, but once we get closer to a final number, I mean, registration wraps up on the 15th Yeah, I can send you all just like a final document with everybody.
Okay, so why don't I so what I'll do is I'll just clean up this document and make it prettier, and just kind of send you all a more finalized document that involves just everything that we've all talked about today. Just the flows and sort of the goals that you all each want to want to cover. I guess I'm wondering before we hop off, are there questions that the q&a piece that you all feel like you like, you know, like, Dan, maybe you may want to just talk about Philanthropy in government, you know, and maybe it's a you and an OB or maybe when we're talking about infrastructure of the movement, maybe it's to not be married, but I guess I'm just trying to think about, like, what is the best way to divide and conquer a little bit? Or, you know, I guess Yeah.
I'm trying to think of how to how to, you know, have our conversations flow from how we've advertised the panel, you know, theme power shifting practices, I I just want to make sure I have like, a way to make it logical to tie to that description and title. So I mean, I will still talk about public private partnerships because I think that is a way that we have kind of utilize our raw power and having our giving our grantees a lot more access to power, especially in government by giving them funding, you know, through connections allow them to experiment with policy, programs and policies. With government. And I can illustrate that through the use of core there's also a workforce project that we're leading. But you know, now I'm also thinking about trust based flattery, how that fits into public private partnerships. So you know, what's really two big topics just want to make sure that point?
Yeah, and it doesn't have to be like a question. It could be just part of the, you know, your answer, or how, you know, like, there's gonna be parts here where it's, you know, you all will be able to share, like, what does it look like in real life to be able to do this work? Right. And maybe it's public private partnerships, you know, obviously, there's the the trust based Philanthropy piece of things and participatory grant making, but think like clear strategies there. Yeah, it's totally okay. If it's on the talking points on things. But if there aren't any questions that really stick out to you all I can just sort of it seems, it feels to be like these are pretty broad enough. That I think you all can kind of answer if that right like is that sort of what I'm getting? And I'd rather just keep it like, you know, instead of just picking one person to answer one question, I'd love it to be just more of a full conversation. I don't know. Does that sound about right to you? Oh, okay. Okay. Um, alright, so I will again, I'll just clean this up. I'll send you all of my final document. And maybe, maybe before, like after, I'm sorry, during the convening, we could probably connect for, you know, 1520 minutes before the session, just to sort of make sure that we're good to go. I think this is going to be really great. Now, I'm really excited for it. So thank you thank you for your thought partnership and collaboration and yeah, I'm just really looking forward to and if anything comes up for you all after this call any questions or any thing you know, that you want to get clarification on or any you know, you're like, oh, there's something really important that I think we should talk about. Feel free to ping me. We're still making edits for longer stuff until I'd say until the 15th. So I'm happy to give you all seven minutes back. Thank you so much for jumping on and yeah, we'll be in touch okay,