Welcome to Louisiana Lefty, a podcast about politics and community in Louisiana, where we make the case that the health of the state requires a strong progressive movement fueled by the critical work of organizing on the ground. Our goal is to democratize information, demystify party politics, and empower you to join the mission, because victory for Louisiana requires you.
I'm your host Lynda Woolard. On the final episode of season two, I speak with Alsie Dunbar from Ascension Parish. We talk about her work as a woman in STEM and a mentor to young girls, encouraging them to explore science, technology, engineering and math. We also discuss the lessons she took away from her run for a legislative seat in Louisiana district 58.
Alsie Dunbar! Thank you so much for joining me on Louisiana Lefty today.
You're welcome. Thank you for having me.
Well, I always start the podcast with how I know my guest, and I'm not sure was there a moment you remember meeting me? Or was it just through the state party? I kind of want to say it was probably through Mary Landrieu's campaign. Does that sound right?
Yeah, Mary Landrieu's campaign is when I first met you. But I attended the True Blue Gala in 2017, or 2018, I think you were like, the Person of the Year for the party. And I'm like, "Okay, I remember her." And everybody, you know, "Lynda, Lynda, Lynda." You were like the the field chief, resident expert, or afficienado or whatever you want to call it.
They did give me an award for organizing that year.
It's funny, because the year prior, we kind of talked during the pre interview about my 2017 campaign, and I'm like, I distinctly remember, my thought and my sentiment, I said, "Well, I wish I would have met her a year before because, gosh, we could have really done some made some really good progress during the course of my campaign," because the field game, if you can master that area of a campaign, you can pretty much knock down any door that you pursue.
I am a big proponent of that. Well, I do want to get to your campaign. But I also want to talk to you a little bit about, you are an Emerge alum, but you ran for legislature before you went through that program. And the other topic I want to discuss with you here on the podcast before we get to that is the work you do in STEM, and the work you do to promote women in STEM, particularly. So let's start there. Just give me a mini bio on yourself on that STEM piece. First of all, tell us what STEM is. And then how you got involved in that field.
Well, STEM is Science, Technology, Engineering and Math. It's an acronym. But more importantly, it became very popular during Barack Obama's campaign because his presidential administration was one of the first administrations to really focus on the STEM outreach and community development piece of STEM and engaging minorities and underrepresented communities and then, you know, impoverished communities and urban areas, getting them exposed to that. STEM is a very unique way to promote a transferable skill set that from my experience has always promoted cognitive thinking in a way that that's really applicable to all aspects and areas of life. So with me, I'm a product of Ascension Parish public school system. Ascension has a history of having a rich and robust public school system.
I'm going to take a second to acknowledge that you're by an interstate so if people are hearing zoom noises...
Yeah, highway sounds, or as folks on the west coast will say freeway. We'll just blame it on the freeway.
But you were talking about being a product of the Ascension Parish public school system.
Yes. Being a part of a system where your your mother is a librarian for two of the most probably prominent elementary schools, there's not much you can get away with. And I don't want to say it like that, because I wasn't a mischievous person. But she was always just ahead of the curve, as far as the curriculum was concerned. So, you know, that played to my advantage, and there were points in times in my career as an elementary school and secondary education student where I was like, "Gosh, like, can she just not be that parent?" I look back on it, and it was a blessing, it was an immense blessing.
What got you interested, though, in science?
I was just always an inquisitive kid, and if my mother taught me one thing, she taught me how to research and how to read for information. So if anyone knows me, they know that I read for information only, I don't read for recreational purposes. Like I don't read a book just to say, "Oh, well, this person came up with a new novel," I read for information, and I'm that person that will know, a lot of the most useless information, like I will know what the big five accounting firms are or I will know what the gross domestic product rate from 2019 to 2017, you know, maybe was because I've been a person that my reading purpose was strictly for information. And then, once I started to engage in math, I just really found I enjoy solving problems. I don't know if that truly answers your question, but I've just been a very inquisitive and nosy kid.
So tell me STEM again, it's Science...
Technology, Engineering and Math. And I also have an aunt, Wanda Williams, she's in Arlington, Texas, and she went to Southern University. majored in electrical engineering, and finished the year that I was born, she finished in three years. So she's an engineer, and you know, that was a big thing for my mom's family. She was the one that kind of went against the grain, and majored in engineering, because a lot of my mother's sisters are educators. So growing up, I always looked up to her, because she was just heralded as the brains of the family.
And you also went to Southern University, right?
Yes, I attended Southern, and I majored in chemistry. So I got a bachelor's in chemistry, and then in physics. I was taking classes, and one class kind of related to another, and so upon consulting with my advisor, she was like, "Well if you take another 15 or 20 hours, you can get a second bachelor's," and I'm like, "Okay, well, okay, no problem." So I did that.
I love that you're talking about your aunt, and we talked a little bit about this for the (Facebook) video we do before recording the podcast: it's easier to be something if you see somebody else doing it. So your aunt was that for you. And then let's talk a little bit about what you're doing with STEM Gems, because you're really kind of offering that to the next generation of young women, and showing them that women, and women of color, really can be involved in that field.
I did tinker around that aspect or the thought of, you know, how can I give back to the community? My freshman year in college, when I finished high school in May of my senior year, two weeks later, I started working at Borden Chemical and Plastics, which was a specialty chemicals plant in Geismar, while most of my friends were off doing the senior trip thing, or just taking some time off. So I was able to participate in a scholarship program by the name of Inroads, and what they did was they provided minority students with the opportunity to participate in a scholarship program where in the summers, you would intern and gain that valuable experience, and then in the fall and the spring, you would attend classes on a scholarship. So I was able to intern for four summers, and I was able to, you know, gain that knowledge and get all the resources that I needed to get that undergraduate degree. So when I thought about what would the format for STEM Gems be, that's the format that I tried to duplicate. But the added caveat to that would be for me to really make it very specialized and unique to Ascension Parish, and to the city of Gonzalez where I grew up and where I got my inspiration from. So, that's what I try to provide to the young girls I mentor, to just to give them that local snapshot that representation matters, and that you have people here on a local level that you can count on to give you those resources that you may be intimidated or daunted by, while attending college, in an undergraduate setting. You know, traditional students of color who do pursue STEM majors, they don't come from families where they are afforded the opportunity to just attend school full time. They may attend school full time, they may have to work part time, you know, a lot of my peers in undergrad, aside from me, they had to work because they had to help support and they had to have that extra income to supplement their lifestyle, while they were pursuing their academic studies. Not everybody is afforded that luxury or that opportunity in undergrad, hence that kind of plays into the discussion of students who take out student loans while they are undergraduate students. I mean, if they're attending schools such as Tulane or if they're out of state students, those fees add up really quickly. So I really encourage students to start that process early, and if they're going to stay in state attend an HBCU, where there's a dual enrollment option, or start at a junior college and take your prerequisites, then transfer out. There are a multitude of options for obtaining a STEM degree or being a pre med student, and then attending a college where you will get your medical degree. There are a variation of options that discussion can entail. So, that's what I try to promote, and those are the resources that I try to provide.
What ages do you deal with in STEM Gems?
Really ages four to 16 or 17. So it's a very broad spectrum. If you look at the trajectory of the program, I've really invested time in young students who are in the K through four, and the fifth to eighth grade setting. Then once they get to college, they've pretty much decided, "Well okay, this is or this isn't for me," and those that decide to pursue that option, then then the mentoring continues.
What kind of activities would you be doing with the STEM Gems?
When we when we do engage in piloting a school, there are STEM Gem Saturdays that will engage the student that we will not be able to get to in a traditional school settings. But if the students attend a K through four, or fifth through eighth grade school within the city limits of Gonzalez, or I do have requests from administrators of schools from different parishes, we'll coordinate activities and it'll more than likely entail them hearing from a STEM professional, typically a woman, and then we'll do a science experiment that will also engage or incorporate the curriculum, as well as practical life science skills.
It looks like you're connected with a woman astronaut from Louisiana that might speak to your STEM Gems from time to time. I was unaware there was a woman astronaut from Louisiana.
Yeah, Alyssa Carson. Alyssa Carson is on track to become the first female to be able to travel to the planet Mars, in 2023, or 2024. I met Alyssa in 2013. She graduated from Baton Rouge International, and she's attending Florida Polytechnic University, where she's majoring in aeronautical space and something else, but she's attended all of the prerequisite space camps and programs. And she's just phenomenal. I mean, she has partnerships now, and sponsorships with a Olay, Gap, Nike, just to name a few. My mom recently called me very high strung and excited, "I just saw Alyssa Carson on television!" And I was like, "Yeah, you will probably see her a lot more," because it's unprecedented, the things that she has accomplished. The inspiration that she provides young girls, I didn't realize or it didn't dawn on me until probably our second or third year of doing the traditional visits to the schools. And we haven't done it since COVID started, but I mean, there were young girls that were literally, one little girl was like, "I want to know when will Alyssa get here, because I'm just so nervous, I just love Alyssa." Wow. You know, it's just it's them seeing someone on a local level that they can relate to that really, is doing something very unprecedented and prolific, and she will be in the history books one day. I just feel very immensely blessed that I was able to engage in and provide that experience for young girls.
That's very cool. And STEM Gems that you run has a connection also with Dr. Calvin Mackie from STEM NOLA. Is that correct?
Yes. Dr. Mackie, and I started, probably within a year or two of one another. Dr. Mackie is a very, very good friend. And he's a mentor of mine. He's a very big supporter of women in STEM. We talk all the time, and we're thinking of some ways to implement the STEM Gems and STEM NOLA together.
Before we move on to politics. I do want to mention that you've gotten a lot of acclamations, for your work in general, but for STEM Gems, in particular, and I want to name some of them. You've received three "40 under 40" awards from the United Way, from Southern University, and Baton Rouge Business Report. You've also been recognized as a BRAVA emerging activist, featured at the Great Futures Gala, and named as a torchbearer for National Coalition of 100 Black Women. And additionally, former Representative Cedric Richmond also commended you and read you into the Congressional Record while he was still in Congress. So you've received a lot of recognition for your work in STEM.
It's been a blessing to be recognized for something that I do that comes from my heart. Giving back is my way of paying homage to those who have came before me. And what better way to give back again than to do something that I feel so passionate about, that refer to my mother and my father as well. You know, they always remind me giving back is important. You always reach back and catapult someone forward to do better than what you did. And that's what they've done for me. I have no problem with doing that for the young women who come after me.
Well, I do want to say, as we pivot to politics, looking through your social media, it's clear that you devote a lot of your energy to advocating for women, promoting what they are doing, encouraging them to think bigger. You've just got a lot of space on your social media that is not about you, but it's about other women, which I think is really impressive. And I feel like that's the space from which you created STEM Gems, too, was to just elevate other women. And you've talked, in particular, about being the only Black girl in rooms when you were growing up?
Oh, yeah. At times, it was very hard. But I use that as motivation to change that narrative. Because, "changing the narrative," using air quotes, is a moment of pivot, just to pivot the focus off of what I went through, to highlight what needs to be changed. So, you know, being in that room, I made sure that I mentioned other people that can add to that conversation, or they can pull up a seat at that table. And that widens the conversation, that broadens the scope to add more influence from another perspective or another female. Let's just face it, we're in Louisiana. We are in the Deep South. And just recently we had Susan Hutson, who was elected the first African American sheriff of Orleans Parish.
She's the first woman sheriff in Orleans Parish and the first Black woman sheriff in the state. And previously, there was only one other woman sheriff, as I understand it, who was not elected directly. I think there were some women who seceded their husbands when their husband passed away as sheriff, but I don't know how many of those, I can't imagine it's that many. But it's a big deal. It's a very big deal that that just happened.
And Susan Hutson, to add on, she has invested time in that space. And that's something that is often not highlighted. Kamala Harris had invested time in the space, in the political realm. She was a District Attorney and Attorney General. Someone may Google her, because that's what we do in this age. They may Google her and say, "Well, in the previous post that she served in, it was quite controversial," but she had a designated demographic at that time that she served, so you can't just say, "Okay, well, she was this person throughout this amount of time." You have to look at the office that she served in and what she was elected to serve. You know, Susan Hudson, was a she was a police?
The independent police monitor for Orleans Parish.
Independent police monitor for Orleans Parish, so she had time she has time vested and served. And actor's refer to their trade as their craft, but in that space, she studied that post and she knows that space backward and forwards. She's very well read, and I think she will do a phenomenal job. But that to me in this day and age is what is not spoken on. You know, in the, I call social media times, the era of instant gratification. I've been an engineer for 20 years, 21 years to be exact. I sacrificed and I was able to reap the benefits of my hard work and labor, but you have to put in the work and you have to be well vested.
So you have been involved in STEM work. But you were also involved in politics. And I understand you were involved in politics at an early age. How did you get involved in that?
At an early age, I watched former State Representative Melvin Irvin, who helped to carve out district 58. And I watched him through my mother and her best friend, Mrs. Nell Irvin, who was married to Melvin Irvin at one point in time. I watched his progression to the state legislature because Melvin Irvin started off as a, I think it was a school board member. He was very fortunate and able to establish himself as a real estate developer. So this is another thing that I learned from him, you really have to really a gameplan when you decide to run for public office. It's just good to have more than one stream of revenue. With Melvin Irvin's ascension, he was just a very determined and a very strategic African American male in Ascension Parish, who really capitalized on his strengths to propel himself into the political realm. Once district 58, a majority minority district, was formed, he basically ruled the roost. And so it was very enlightening to just always see him engaging and exposing the African American community to progress, homeownership, real estate outside of the homeownership, economic development, he was that pillar that the black community always leaned on. I mean, he actually brought Jesse Jackson down to Lowery Middle School, I think it was in the early 80s. And I saw that as a child, you know, and it was very inspiring to see him do such monumental things. His brother, who is my godfather, who my mother's sister ended up marrying, has been at Southern University's Barbershop, Robert Irvin, for 50 plus years. So it just attests to the legacy and the tradition of legacy, and how that has shaped my life, and how it has inspired me to create and take on certain tasks and initiatives, and be successful at it, to further my community and further those who will come behind me, to be that catalyst for change.
So you ran for the legislature, for the State House in district 58 in 2017. As I said earlier, you're an Emerge alum, but you ran for the legislature before you went through that program. What caused you to want to run for district 58 representative?
First and foremost, it was an open seat, an unoccupied open seat. Secondly, it's something that I wanted to do because I felt that being in public office and having the chance to serve would an additional way to give back to my community. I really felt compelled to run for the seat, because in previous years, when I was asked to run or there was an opportunity to run, I didn't reside within the city limits or the timing was never correct. So at this given point in time, when I did decide to run, I felt that the seat quote unquote fair game and that the timing was right. It was perfect timing. So I just decided to give it a give it a go. I mean, I had worked on enough campaigns. I'd worked on Mr. Irvin's campaigns. His son, I worked on a few of his campaigns as a city councilman. I have family that have run for public office in Ascension.And then, at that time it was State Representative Edward Price, I was very involved in his campaign for state rep, and then he had run for the state senate. So I just felt it was only right. But little did I know, it's very different from being involved in a campaign and then being the person who was actually running for office. Those are two very distinct experiences.
District 58, you said is a majority minority district?
Yes.
So, it is a Democratic district.
Traditional, yeah. It encompasses three parishes, which is Ascension, St. James, and Iberville parish. If you break down the demographics by votes, it's approximately 12,500 votes for Ascension and St. James. And then Iberville, which encompasses most parts of White Castle, Carville, Sunshine, St. Gabriel, I think may be roughly 2700 votes.
So you weren't running against a Republican that was a huge challenge for you. But you were running as a woman. And as someone who was really not part of the political establishment, right?
Yes, exactly. Of the other three candidates that I had run against in that race, two had run for public office previously. One gentleman, who is now the state representative for district 58, had served for 13 years as a parish councilman in St. James Parish. So the playing ground was not level. I was running basically, as a first time candidate, with no name. Well, I don't understand the whole name recognition thing, because I felt that I had name recognition, but I guess not in the political realm.
Your slogan was "new energy, new vision, and new direction." How did you come up with that?
I just felt that it was time to quote unquote "change the narrative" for the district. I really felt that the district at the time needed a new direction. There were new and emerging issues that residents had been complaining about for a while. I myself had experienced some things as far as being an engineering graduate, being local, finding a job can be a daunting task, especially if you want to remain in the community that you grew up in and that you reside in. I know, several people have colleagues who drive at least an hour, sometimes an hour and 30 minutes one way to their jobs. So those are things that we would casually discuss and I kind of brought them to the forefront with what I decided to tackle on my campaign. Education, from being a STEM advocate was a was a huge part of the narrative that I felt that needed to change, because you had so many non traditional students or people, who would have qualified as being non traditional students, that resided again in the communities in which district 58 encompasses, and they couldn't get the local jobs. They couldn't even get the contract jobs at the local plants or the local refinery. So, the dominant question was, how do you change that narrative. And that narrative would be changed through training for non traditional students or making sure that the students took advantage of those traditional educational pathways, so that they could have a chance to get those jobs or to get the scholarships that they needed to attend college. So that's where the slogan came from, just being innovative and coming up with new and creative ideas, creating satellite locations that people could attend jobs fairs, on the job training, or job training to where they can have a chance to have a shot at. Something that really stuck out to me during the time of my campaign, where we reside, we are in the Sunbelt of the Gulf of Mexico, which is the prime helm for our location on the Mississippi River. So you have so many companies that vie for space, to be able to import and export, their finished products, that they sell overseas. Those types of opportunities to create jobs,and just from being an industry for so long, for every, for every engineer that a company will hire, that employs about 10 to 15 people. So knowing that metric, it really speaks to the volume of the job creation and the job opportunities that are here in South Louisiana. To know that minorities are not getting their fair share of those jobs. it was a call to action for me. So that was the synergy that I used to establish the platform to run for that seat. Because let's just be clear, on the state level, that is where the legislation is authored and drafted, that will impact the residents of the state of Louisiana.
So true. You've made the connection there, too, between education and economic prosperity.
Yeah, and when you look at the stats of minorities, it's not just in district 58, it's in a lot of the legislative districts, and then on a congressional level, you look at the the statistics of those who have been to college, those who have been to prison, those who have been incarcerated, those who are convicted felons. I mean, if you've been incarcerated, you have a you having really hard time getting a TWIC card, and we know that you need a TWIC card to be employed by a lot of a lot of the chemical facilities.
What is that? TWIC card?
It's a transportation worker card (Transportation Worker Identification Credential) that you have to have to be employable by a lot of these facilities. So it's a process of elimination. If you've been a convicted felon, and you've also been incarcerated, that whole Ban the Box legislation to me has been tied to it. And then you have advocates like Syrita Steib, who is with Operation Restoration, who's a very well known advocate for Ban the Box legislation, you know, she attended college after being released from prison, and I think she checked the box the first time and she was denied admission. And then I think she applied a second time and she didn't check the box, and she was admitted to UNO. And she went on to become a clinical laboratory scientist. That's pretty profound. Had she not applied a second time she would have been eliminated. I guess I'm making that analogy, because you have so many young black men who have made mistakes, especially in the river parish region, and EBR Parish, and they are trying to find their way. And what do you do if you see your peers getting these very good paying jobs in the community, and they are able to build a life off of it, but because you've made a mistake, you can't. You don't have a chance to truly rehabilitate yourself and your life, because in theory, that's the point of prison, it's supposed to rehabilitate you. But we all know that that's not true. You know, so a lot of that plays into the narrative that we are trying to change, right? We're trying to really, truly rehabilitate those who have made mistakes, or, you know, who have fallen short. But we all have fallen short, really.
Following your experience running for the legislature, what made you decide to connect with Emerge Louisiana, which for those who are not regular listeners of Louisiana Lefty, is an organization in Louisiana, it's a chapter of a national organization that trains women to run for office. So what made you connect with them?
I thought, "Okay, I ran and I didn't win. I could probably tweak a few things, but Emerge would be the added caveat." Because I would be able to expand my network, I would be able to gain the political notoriety that was said I didn't have. So I just felt that it was a very optimal opportunity for me to grow my network and learn about the things that I thought that I knew about running for public office, because let's just face it, I mean, we are forever evolving as students and learning. I just felt that it was just a great opportunity for me to learn and gain knowledge. I didn't realize that Emerge at the time was such a big thing in the United States. Once I got involved and started to really engage in research, I'm like, "Okay, this is a good thing," you know, because it gave me the knowledge that I needed and the foundation basically, to go forward and do the work that I that needed to be done.
You would run for office again?
Yes.
And have you thought about what you would do differently this time?
I would engage the voter base more. I got a lot of feedback from running that first time, more than I really wanted to hear. And the big thing was that the assumptions that I made about my home base, and just what people knew about me I assumed that they knew, and they actually didn't. So you are honestly and really giving people a chance to get to know you on a personal level, on an extended personal level. And so that's the thing that I would really, really, really engaged in a second time, because I did fall short with the field effort. I thought, "Okay, I'll go to this football game, or I go to this engagement," but it's really the door to door. I'm just going to be honest, I took a lot of areas that I've spent time with in the past for granted. So you just you really have to treat everything as as if it's a clean slate and move from there and build upon that foundation. That was my key takeaway.
We did a pre-interview before we did the podcast. And as I was listening to you speak, I think I thought there was a common denominator. In both your experience entering the STEM field as a woman and running for office as a woman, you were discouraged from both, rather than encouraged it seems. I suspect that your reaction to that has been what's made you such an advocate for women and an encourager of women, and making sure they know they're worthy of being in all the rooms where discoveries and decisions are being made.
Yeah. Yeah. And, honestly, being proactive versus reactive, it really changes the trajectory of your journey and what narrative it is that you relate to those who are receiving your message. That is a very critical part of your progression as a person, or as a figure, or a potential candidate where someone says, "You know what, I'm really compelled by her message, I will vote for her." I'm just gonna be honest, at times, I have been perceived, as most women are, as a person who is reactive and emotional. But it's because of being discouraged. So when you're discouraged, you really sometimes go from wanting to inspire to wanting to prove a point. And those are two totally different distinct experiences. And that has been my lesson of life from running for public office versus being a seasoned career professional in STEM. Over time, it's gotten better, but there are mountaintop experiences and narrow valley experiences. The key thing is not to confuse the two or think that those two experiences are laterals. Being someone who has consulted people who have run for office, or who currently serve in office, I thought that was synonymous with running for office. And you know, being the person that's vying for a seat, those are two totally different distinct experiences. So as long as you know the difference between the two, and you're able to recalibrate the expectations of that journey and that narrative, I think you'll be successful in whatever it is that you choose. And so that's what I tend to take away from my experiences over time. In the very two distinct arenas, even though they have a common denominator,
Alsie, tell me how can people who are interested in your work connect to you?
Oh, I do have a website. It is www.thestemgems.org. They can also find me on Instagram, I have two social media handles on Instagram, it's AlsieTheSteminist or TheStemGemsMP. And then I also have a Facebook page.
Steminist! I love it. And as always, I will link to those things in the episode notes for people who may be listening while they're driving and not writing things down. Let me get to the last three questions that I ask a version of every episode. Alsie, what do you see as the biggest obstacle for Democrats in our state?
I think that the biggest problem for Democrats is everyone going along with status quo and not believing it candidates who truly had worked for the party? I really think that that is the biggest hurdle. If the general consensus doesn't support you, then neither will the party. I may get some feedback from this. But I mean, they would rather stay out of a race than promote the truly qualified candidate. And history has shown that.
Okay. What do you think is our biggest opportunity for Democrats?
I think the biggest opportunity is to engage, to truly engage those who truly support the Democratic Party, and not worry about what the perceived status quo of the Democratic Party should look like, and not what it looks like. Those are just my two cents.
That's all right. That's what we're here for. And Alsie, who's your favorite superhero?
Can I say my dad?
You absolutely can. There are no rules to favorite superhero. A lot of people have said their mom, you're the first person to say my dad. I think so. I like that
My dad is my favorite superhero, because he did the impossible. I mean, he grew up in Opelousas and Lake Charles in a rural environment, and he ended up going to Southern University on a basketball scholarship, and then he was drafted, I think in the second or third round, coming out of Southern University into the NFL. I mean, that was literally unheard of.
NFL? Football?
Yeah, and he ended up going on to play for the New Orleans Saints. And so DJ Jubilee, who is the famous bounce DJ, his family named him after my dad because he was able to catch the football like Jubilee Dunbar.
Wow!
Yeah, so I have a tie to New Orleans bounce history. Well, my dad does, not me. So, hence, my dad is my superhero.
You said your dad, but, so your favorite superhero is Jubilee Dunbar. That's amazing! Well, thank you again for speaking with me and for being my last guest of the second season. I hope you have a great holiday, Alsie, and we'll be back for a third season in the new year.
Thank you for having me. It was a great pleasure to be on.
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