Yeah, well, your first point about academics, I don't have anything against academics. I appreciate the deep research. Somebody who's studied the whole field of the literature is trying to integrate it and, you know, come up with some kind of clarity. I appreciate that. And I'm, you know, on Tuesdays, I meet with uh, Jody Jensen, who's working on her PhD, you know, on empathy and, and she's, you know, and she's older, so she's not, she has her own ideas. She's coming into academia, you know, studying empathy, but also seeing other points of view. So she's not, like, totally into the individualistic psychology sort of mindset. So I really appreciate that, but I also see that the academia has has become elitist in a lot of cases, and they don't. It's like they're in their own bubble, in their own world, and not everybody you know, like Dan, not Dan, but Dan. Batson, maybe that's who you're thinking about, who I interviewed a couple times, and he's open. He was like, let's have a dialog. His point is, there's all these definitions, you know, say what your definition is, be clear on it, and then stick to it, and then just put it out there. And, you know, you can't tell everybody to, you know, accept your definition, but this is how I'm defining it, and how does what you're saying kind of relate to that? So that's kind of what I'm coming you know, point I'm coming from. So I don't have nothing against academic mindset, except that it's things like, against empathy. I mean, here it is Yale University, you know, supposed to be a top university, and they just muddy the water. He didn't like clearly create, you know, a def definitions. It's like, you can just see the ego part of it's like, let's stir things up, I'll get attention, kind of, it's, it's Paul Bloom from, from Yale, you know, he wrote this book against empathy. And it's, you know, it's the same thing, what? Yeah, many years ago. And, you know, he won't die. He wouldn't. I mean, I tried for five years to have just like I said, Let's do an empathy circle, you know, with him. And he wouldn't, you know, he just refused, you know, to