are you worth his work? I'm a huge fan of Barnardos. And also, I just just this was it this week. I realize I can't remember. This Monday or last Monday, I interviewed Sergey Rinpoche. And Daniel Goleman on their new book coming out in December called Why We meditate. It's a really quite defined book where Rinpoche does the first part of each chapter in the book. And then Daniel comes in. He's a psychologist of he's the guy who wrote the bestseller emotional intelligence. So Daniel comes in and then does like kind of a kind of us science riff on it. And so we had fun that was that was a fun one that will probably be posted in a week or two. And so yeah, there's other stuff coming up and I'll tell you about it when it becomes a little bit closer enhanced. So here I'm supposed to do it. Alyssa tells me she says pause recording in progress there we all know Bardo practice a nice little gap. And then we jump right in. So this question was sent in by famco, who is apologize if I'm not pronouncing your names properly. She attended the luminous Bardot Dominica weekend I did draw a mountain center and she has a nice question here trying to link up the knowledge of the Red Lotus. So this is the whole notion of in the dream yoga techniques. There is one approach many of you are familiar with it is you visualize a red lotus in your throat and then each of the petals of the four petals or the syllables, odd new tah tah. Each one of those syllables is associated with our respective Buddha family gets a little bit interesting, somewhat complicated. And so her question is related to that and the following. Is it true that the elements when you die, have a different order than when you fall asleep? No, it's not true. So if I said that was misstatement, there are the same. It's just what happens at the end of life is more protracted, more recognizable, but the same dissolution process happens in a concordance or similar tude fashion every night when you fall asleep and catch this when every thought or mental content disappears from your mind, right? So it's an iterative or kind of fractal. Manifestation happens on all these different levels. So the order is the same in this retreat, I understood that this is the order of the dissolution in the elements when you die dissolution of earth elements into water. That's correct. And then paren the color yellow. Yeah, so in both Hindu and tantric approaches to the disillusions Earth is associated with a yellow color, yellow and the mandala. And so some Bible teachings say that when you are going through the dissolution process, when the body element earth element is dissolving, some people will actually see kind of, it's called a secret sign. They'll see this kind of inner yellowish appearance. That's an indicator for meditator that, oh, this is the earth element dissolving, because in a reverse fashion, and this is what we talked about so much in the retreat. Those lights actually are what bring about the earth element. So each one of the five elements that we know is the physical elements of our body, and then the physical elements of the world, are fundamentally frozen light, literally not metaphorically, literally frozen light. And so when those respective elements are returning to their matrix, they return to this elemental nature of light. You can see this dissolution process through the secret signs. You see cognitively this yellow light is disappearing because the earth element is disappearing. And it's basically retreating, retracting, dissolving back into the light from which it arose. It's amazing. So earth or earth into water, yes. Yellow water into fire. Yes, that's blue. Fire. into air and actually, it's firing into wind that's red. So these are all the things you can start to signpost uses metrics when you're going through it. And then the dissolution of the air or wind elements into space, green into white, so that's partly true, but not entirely true because the last one, it's air when dissolves into consciousness, and then consciousness dissolves into space. That's what takes place in the three stages of the inner dissolution. So I didn't go through this in exhaustive detail in that program, because that was not the content of the program. So I paint through it, I can see why there might have been some confusion on that part. But a lesson she's Esther let's see that uh,
yeah, and the attachments so she sent me a picture of it. I have written down the order of the mantra with arrows link to the Buddha's when you fall asleep if I do not understand it, please know. Yeah, so the only thing is really to correct is the order is the same. That they're not different. The order is the same. And the dissolution you just have to supplement the solution of four and five. When dissolves in the consciousness, then consciousness dissolves into space. Okay. All righty. Good question. And let me now return to the other ones. Here we go. So this is from Patrick, I have tried. I have Patrick I wish your question my friend. If you're listening. If I hit a nickel for every time I heard this question, it's a great question. Number one, number one most common question hands down by a factor of 10. About lucid dreaming, so I'll read it and everybody here is going whoa, we've heard this one before, but again, it's a good question. I have tried to lucid dream for 42 years but I've not managed to be successful. I've tried all methods, many of which are in your books. I meditate regularly. I've tried masks, brainwave readings, brainwave reading machine dream inducing drugs, but to no avail. I know when I dream, I have recorded them many times. I wake up several times a night after dreaming. Remembering that I have dropped that's great. You should celebrate that that in itself is no small thing. A lot of people don't remember their dreams at all. still determined to wake up in a dream heavy any suggestions? Or some people are not suited? Many thanks. Yeah, it's this is a super common question. Patrick is one reason why lucid dreaming Dream Yoga is considered a slightly advanced practice because it's subtle. And it's not for everybody. It doesn't make you or anybody else somehow a lesser person or a lesser practitioner not at all. Certain people have certain talents be dispositions for lucidity in the dream state just like any other particular like playing the piano or tennis or whatever some people just have sought their subtle body is configured in a way that makes them conducive for lucidity in the dream state.
So don't be discouraged. It's not at all uncommon. I mean, how many people do we have here? 44. If how many people who would raise their hand saying they're having trouble attaining lucidity or having it with regularity? Look at all the hands that come up. It is super common. And so the first thing to do is to realize that it is super common. Don't get discouraged and I have a little placard actually up in my study my bedroom from the Dalai Lama, you may have seen it this famous little statement where he says basically just never give up anything. of any value. You never give up. You just keep going. And even the fact that you're trying Patrick, something's happening. You know, you're you're working, you're heating up, you just haven't come to a boil yet. The analogy I use is the unconscious mind that we're trying to bring into consciousness. is like a big vat of cold water. Depending on how big that VAT is, depending on how cold the water is, and depending on how hot the temperature is when you put it on the stove. So you got all those three factors. Sooner or later it's going to come to a boil and something's happening. You're putting energy into the system. It may not have achieved this phase transition point yet, but something's happening. You're heating up. And this is important because you're working with the unconscious dimensions of the mind. And you're actually you're you're reconfiguring it, reconfiguring it, you're changing. You're working in Buddhist language with the piano whether you know it or not. And so therefore, we just keep going day in and day out with a with a light but concerted touch and this is an interesting thing. That if you try too hard to retain lucidity, it backfires. So it's this is another reason that's a little bit more subtle in advance and I learned this lesson from attending Stephen the Barish. His dream yoga pro lucid dreaming programs at Hawaii. I attended several of them. I taught it one or two. These 10 day programs where we we would basically do a morning session until about noon and then we had the whole bloody day off until like seven. And at first I would like mildly complain to myself as like, oh my god, we have all this time off. Like why aren't we doing something and then I realized later that there was a method to Stephens madness where the spaciousness to relax quality of being in Hawaii being in such a spacious open environment actually is conducive to the lucidity agenda. So the maximum not too tight, not too loose. Definitely applies in the world of meditation and especially in the world of lucidity, where you want to maintain the effort that's if you don't do it, it's not practicing not doing anything. But sometimes if you try too hard, it backfires. Nothing happens. And so the most important thing is really just as light hearted, playful but determined effort. You just keep going no matter what. Don't expect. Don't set the bar too high. Let me put it that way. expectation. On one level you've heard me say this is premeditated disappointment. Now that doesn't mean you can't make aspirations. You can't be excited about the possibility of lucidity. But something is happening whether you fail or not. So short of basically just encouraging you to simply just continue and then you know at some point, if you feel like it, just walk away from it for a while, the idea of fresh start, even in a meditation session. If you're sitting in practice, and this is one of the really nice things about the interview I did with Sonia Rinpoche was really glad to read where he says, you know, short sessions are very, very powerful. You don't have to do these long meditation sessions. That even can be too tight. So there are times when you can just drop the whole thing, hit the reset button, refresh or let the whole thing go. Come back. And then realize that if for some reason this particular skill set of which there are many in the virginiana approach doesn't work for you. Hey, there's a lot of other practices, right? So I have a particular predisposition obviously, seems to work for me I work at it every night. Even if I don't have a lucid dream every single night. I still do all my induction things every single night. Because I understand the mechanics of the mind. I know how things work a little bit. And I know something's happening. lucidity is taking place at the subconscious levels, unconscious levels, whether we know it or not. So light hearted, playful, deliberate, concerted effort. You just keep going. Take a break, relax. Don't try too hard. And just realize you're not alone. My friend. This is one of the biggest issues with lucid dreaming. This is what creates the recidivism, the attrition or whatever you want to call it. People just say heck, this isn't working out give up. But don't give up. Just keep going. Maybe just relax a little bit. Very often. Have you noticed when you really try something and try to solve a problem. You try and try and try and try and then all of a sudden you just let go and then the Insight arises. So something like that, Patrick, okay. All righty. So this is from ADA. I recently watched your backcap interview. I had fun time doing this with Rick Archer.
Buddha at the Gas Pump. He's he's been doing this for like, I don't know, 10 years or something. He's interviewed more than 650 people or something. And I've developed a nice friendship with him on the side. He's a great guy. So I did an interview with him. Yeah, a couple months ago. I enjoy that with you. I enjoy what you have to share about enlightenment and consciousness and lucid living. For the past few weeks I've been really struggling with the idea of relationships. I laughing AJ because I'm with you, right. Relationships and struggle are always in the same sentence, right? That's why they're so important. I'll say more about that in a second. So I've been really struggling with the idea of relationships and how they fit into the grand scheme of existence. Because I have deep love for my parents, siblings and fiance and I wanted to ask you about your perspective on relationships. Okay, and then there's a second part of the question. Yeah, this is a good question, AJ, because, I mean, it's it's idiosyncratic, it depends on on an individual right. Personally, and this ties into some of the other questions that are coming in about emptiness. This is very interesting to me, on one level, even at a physical level, literally, the only thing that exists is relationships. That's it. So let's start. This is such a big question. Let's start at a very foundational level because this will provide a bit of a backdrop for where I'm going to run with this. Carla valleys work. He's not the only one but he's the most popular one. His relational interpretation of quantum mechanics. read his book Helgoland. I think I've read I don't know if I reviewed it but are recommended. I really do recommend this book. It's an easy read relatively. He actually has a whole section devoted to emptiness and the teachings of Nagarjuna which is amazing. But fundamentally, one of his interpretations there's about a dozen interpretations of quantum mechanics. Nobody really knows what it means, which is fantastic. I'm on level, but his relational interpretation of QM is getting a lot of traction. And what he says it makes a lot of sense is totally resonant with Buddha's teachings on emptiness which means fullness is that even particles don't exist independent a relationship. The only thing that exists is relationship. That's what that's that relationship, what relationship to other relationships. And I had a interesting little conversation with Bernardo on this, I think in part two of the interview, where he actually criticizes Carlos interpretation in this regard. So listen to that. It was it was quite interesting. So I actually agree with Rovelli that because there's so resonant with Nagarjuna on the teachings on emptiness, the only thing that exists is relationship. That's it. That's another way to talk about emptiness, the general spiritual theory of relativity or relationship, that's all there exists, and so on a more kind of personal level in the way you're relating to it.
Relationships again, it depends on the individual in their particular style. Relationships can be among the most as you know, hopefully, among the most rewarding experiences of your life, even even, and especially, I would say, on the spiritual path. In other words, this is why I say it's idiosyncratic. Some people feel like oh, the only way I can really attain some level of awakening some level of pacification and stuff, I go off by myself. Hey, that's great if that's the way you roll, but then what do you do with the rest of your life? Do you spend the rest of your life in Hermitage hiding out? If you do it then you might want to look at the notion of spiritual bypassing and escapism. In the Buddhist tradition in Tibetan Buddhist tradition. There's what's called a marketplace test. Where Yes, you go into retreat at the Teradata, Indiana neuro vehicle approach you work on yourself. You think you kind of get your stuff together. And then the marketplace test is literally you go into the marketplace and you see you test your stability against other people relationships to other people. And so most of the time people fail that test, because the only way they can maintain their kind of pacified states of mind if they're in the incubator of isolated retreat. I'm not I'm not overly criticizing that that type of retreat absolutely, positively has a place. But in my viewing, you can't really live your life in an incubator. I mean, take case in point when I did my three year retreat. I did with a group of you know, men on one side and women on the other side, by design. They were there to reflect it was like being naked in a hall of mirrors. They are there to irritate you, to scratch you to rub against you. In fact, the very first article I ever wrote published before I published anything book wise was an article called rocks into rubies, which is about using the image of going in is all scratchy, rocky kind of personalities. And through the friction you create the Ruby or the pearl. And so with that said for me, especially as a tantric as a student of Tibetan Buddhism, relationships are critically important. In fact, I've heard teachers say that short of actually being with your guru. Being in an intimate relationship or close relationship is the next best thing because you get all your buttons pressed. You get your if you work with it appropriately, you get to learn so much about who you are right? So I think, you know, this idea of in the grand scheme of existence because I have a deep love for my parents, fantastic. My siblings and my fiance, oh my god. Fantastic that you have that don't get rid of that and nurture and cultivate it. But then bring it onto the path. Work with really interesting notions of what my teacher kept Burbidge I said, Love without attachment. That's an interesting one. And so AJ, I might recommend, I'm going to recommend three books to you. There's more. I have dozens of them.
I need all the help I can get with relationships. I'm not talking just about partners, I'm talking about period. Because it's such an interesting juxtaposition of the spiritual and the psychological. And perhaps I'm thinking out loud here, perhaps one of the reasons spiritual practitioners sometimes questioning the whole notion of the validity of doing spiritual work in relationship is because they don't acknowledge the the legitimacy of working with psychological principles on the spiritual path. Another form of spiritual bypassing thinking that yes, all my work on the spiritual path, my understanding of emptiness can theoretically can handle all my problems. But you know, again, test that theoretical understanding slash experience with real life experiences and so I think one reason people on the spiritual path sometimes challenge or want to run away from relationships, is perhaps because they're not so interested in working with the psychological dimensions. of their being. And so for me I look at the whole thing is the psycho spiritual now would even throw in physical, physical, psycho spiritual growth pattern. It's not just spiritual. If it is, then boy, you're you're setting yourself up for a lot of really subtle traps, escapism spiritual materialism. Spiritual bypassing, Advaita speakers, all kinds of division, new complex, there's all these problems that people can step into. So the books I recommend, my my dear old late friend, John Wellwood, died a couple of years ago. He wrote, in my estimation, some of the best books on relationships and have devoured them all his classic book is journey of the heart. I highly recommend it. It's an amazing like a little manifesto for relationships, highly recommend that book. I read it several times. And then the book that came after that just as good and much shorter, perfect love imperfect relationship. Brilliant book. And then the third one again, there's so many but not to overwhelm you. The third one I always recommend is also by my friend Bruce Tift. Already free, but doesn't mean psychotherapy on the path of liberation. These are really skillful books written by practitioners, psychologists, PhDs at least in John's case, who were also deep, deep practitioners and so they bring that they merge this psychological spiritual joint venture in very very skillful ways. So, that's my, my personal role on relationships, but again, it's gonna depend on who you talk to you right? But from my perspective, the only thing that exists is relationships on any level. If you work with relationships properly, they're not going to interrupt your path. They're going to accelerate your path. They're going to accelerate your path, so you don't need to get rid of that stuff. The only thing you have to do interestingly enough, if you're having a problem with relationships, the only thing you have to do and this is where the onus is on you is work on how you relate to it. How do you relate to that relationships? Literally? Take the responsibility, see what's going on from your own side. Last part of the question I also wanted to ask you what your thoughts are on life after death. It makes sense to me. And whether or not the beautiful relationships we share and create within you create with each other in this life. transcend death. Yeah, that's another really nice question. They do to what extent is difficult to say, but my line here, AJ is a death as the animal body. It's not the end of a relationship. And so therefore, you know, one of the reasons we think it's the end of everything, is again, because we unwittingly, many of us, subscribe to this ridiculous fallacious notion of materialism, that somehow, my my, my mind, my persona, is encased in this skull are somehow limited to this body mind to this body matrix. Not at all, not at all. And in fact, in the Tibetan world, many of you have heard this and when a great teacher dies, they're actually more available to you after death than they were in life because they're mixing their mind with space. And so, death is the handle of body it's not the end of a relationship. Now, to what extent can you actually help them or have relationships? That's a very open question, is it not? You can cultivate if you're very sensitive relationship to the dream world, and I'm sure many people listening here have had experiences with deceased loved ones after they've died. Does that mean that they've they're somehow infiltrating your MindScape? Maybe, I don't know. I don't see why not. Or could it be just unconscious aspects arising from that could be that as well I don't really know. But even then, what really matters is what the relationship to that arising.
So, to me, the relationships do continue to what extent can we communicate that depends on you your the power of your mind, your belief system or what you subscribe to. And so that's a really, really big question. That probably transcends a little bit of where we can go in this format, but great questions. Ha, thank you. Okay. So Larry, if you're here, this is a question I just literally don't understand. So I will read it. And Larry, if you're here at the end, come on and help me understand this question. Have you or someone modified lucid dreaming work for the Western mind way of thinking that will never change enough to adapt the more Buddhist or Eastern mind I'll look or approach. I don't understand the question. I read it several times and I just don't get it. So if you're here, Larry, I'm happy to entertain it with you, but I need some help.
Okay, are we doing here?
Okay, so here's a nice these are all nice questions, but here's a really nice question from Katie. She always asked such those questions. Two parts, what is the benefit of taking vows? Why isn't this sufficient to try to live a modest compassionate and ethical life? study the dharma and practice without taking vows? Yeah, nice question. Well, there's a lot of power in the vows now. tend to be sufficient to live a modest compassionate life and achieve success doing that approach? absolutely, positively. But the benefit of taking the Vows are substantial. And I've asked because this is again, this is such a wonderful, rich, big topic. I asked elicit the point pop, post a link. This is just one of many, many things. There's so much written on this that you may want to take a look at it. But I will just say a couple things about this. In some renderings, you're you're a little bit familiar with some Buddhist terms and some renderings of the first Skanda this kind of form I can't define all these terms. For those of you who may not be familiar with this term, but in the in one rendering of the five skandhas. The first kind of this kind of form, vows are actually considered a subset of the first stand up. In other words, they actually have in the Buddhist view, a type of form and so in the Buddhist arena, vows are there actually a pretty big deal, they should not be taken lightly. You don't want to just take these vows and I'll describe the classic ones, just to click them off your resume. You take these vials because they speak to you and they mean something to you want to commit. It's a lot about like the power that takes place when you make a marriage vow or when you make a formal commitment vow like that to another person. So just very briefly again, because it's such a wonderful new topic. The first set of vows were called the refuge vows where you take vows in the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha, the teacher, the teaching and the community, as a way to then basically make yourself more available to the power and the blessings if you believe that they can then be bestowed upon you when you make this level of commitment. So that's one kind of entry level, bow, it was called refuge vows. You're given a refuge name and all the stuff that goes with it. Then there's a next set of vows that take place at a certain point when it feels right to you when to call the Bodhisattva vows right where you take a concerted, deliberate formal vow in front of others in front of a community with a preceptor, which again creates more formality and the ritual creates more power. And of course, the Bodhisattva vows, as you probably know are designed to
put the benefit of others above your own. So it's basically I will defer my awakening until all beings have attained awakening and it's basically a part of the Mahayana the larger vehicle. As we raise our gaze, we start to increase our mindset or the way we work with things. And then the last set of hours are called the tantric vows the Samaya vows which there are 14 and then again within all these oh my god, all the subsets like so you go all the way back to the refuge vows and when you become a monk or a nun. There, there are literally hundreds I think it for non something like 253 vows, someone interesting, somewhat patriarchal, and maybe not so cool. More vows for nuns than there are for monks. That doesn't seem quite right to me. But that's a residue of this absolutely positively patriarchal thing and Buddhism, it's still in effect today. Sorry, it is. But there are all these kinds of subsidiary vows that are associated with each one of these main vows. So the tantric vows or we'll call the Samaya vows each one of these files transcends but includes the predecessor set of bows. So each one develops, grows and augments on the vows that you previously take. And in a very real way, this is very, very interesting. When I really examined this myself, because I've taken all these vows. You send in a very real way they're like liturgical, this is my languaging liturgical ritual, restraining orders and I've mentioned this before then in my estimation, until the ego is transcended, it needs to be re stained, retrain restrained. We need regulatory agencies. I mean, look what happens in the world when you don't have it right. The corruption I mean, in a very real way so these vowels act as regulatory agencies as restraining orders that what do they do fundamentally Katie, they fundamentally in a very paradoxical, beautiful way. The vowels limit you they limit your your propensities and your opportunities for distraction, the fundamental archetypal enemy of the Dark Age, there are ways to to restrain to contain to hold. The word dharma comes from a root DHHR which means to hold to contain. And so it's a way to hold you to what the present moment where fundamentally ultimate freedom is not doing whatever that fu was. We think it is. That doesn't work, right. We think that oh, ultimate freedom means I can do whatever the heck I want. No. ultimate freedom means paying attention, paying homage to the present moment in each one of these vows. All these sets of vows, especially the semi vows which are always broken and always repaired. Fundamentally, they're all about bringing you fully each one. It's like an increased sanity straitjacket in a certain sense, that basically is bringing you fuller and fuller into the present moment until you enter what's called the fourth moment. And that's where real freedom is found. See. So all these Vows are incredibly powerful. And in fact, if you don't really engage in these things properly, just to give you again, there's so much to say here. If you're a country cannot think you are and you're engaging in budgeting methods, and you don't have the Bodhisattva intention driven by the bodhisattva vow a tantric stuff will not work. It's like Trump, which is famously said I love this line I've mentioned all the time during the visor era without the Mahayana without without the Bodhisattva vows without bodhichitta. It's like having a super fancy ultra modern house with every conceivable electrical gadget, but no hookup, so nothing works. And so if you're a tantric practitioner, I'll be I'll be very direct. You have to have these vows, or the stuff it doesn't really work, because you're not doing it for others. There's no bodhisattva vow, it's not going to work. So, again, there's so much to say here. It's about living the vows fundamentally work about you know, they create intention of proper intention and your decisions are guided by these Vows the way you live your life is guided by these vows. With with the vows themselves being part of the form Skanda they actually help form your life. These vows are designed to help form or shape your light and alignment with truth with reality with the Dharma and some people don't want to be so restrained and I'm not saying this is you but some is like the
whatever hippie style, I just I'm just going to do my own thing. Well that's fine. I'm not criticizing that at all. But there's a reason that every legitimate tradition that I'm aware of has some version of these precepts these vows. And I've engaged in them like when I was a monkey and my retreat, I mean, we took a ton of everything out the touch of a bunch of hours every two weeks. We will practice called So John, we had to renew them every two weeks. And initially, I found it extremely irritating. But eventually I saw their real skill, the genius of it. So read the article that I had a list of posts. That's enough to say about that for now. Second part of the question also another good one. So much has written about the illusory quality of relative reality. Yes, Form is emptiness. That how to understand the other side of the equation, emptiness is no other than form. It seems to contradict the four formless realms and formless meditation. Oh lordy. There's a lot here.
Well, let me just say very briefly what the four formless realms are, just to kind of get that cleared away. The four formless realms are a subset of the fourth jhana, the fourth absorption state. These are extremely refined, formless dimensions of mind that have correlative dimensions of ontological reality. In other words, they're realms just as real or unreal as this human realm. And so these these particular four formless realms, in particular the realm of infinite space, the realm of infinite consciousness, the realm of no thingness, sometimes translated that way, in the realm of neither perception nor non perception, this is not really traffic that much in Tibetan Buddhism, but like the interview I did with Delson Armstrong, you know, that's his tradition. He's really big in these sorts of things, and he's very skilled with these jhanas in a beautiful states. But one thing in relation to that, yes, formless meditation is what gets you to these formless realms for sure. But one thing to understand is when you talk about emptiness, Katie, you're not talking about nothingness. You're not talking about this. This is a common mistake that I see that when people talk about emptiness they think that somehow it means there's just this like empty like space. No, no, no, no. Emptiness really means fullness for one thing. Empty really emptiness really means fullness means empty of self nature. Replacing it empty enough self means full of other. And so this is a really important thing to understand that emptiness doesn't mean just nothingness. That's a mistake. It means fundamentally fullness. But what you're talking about here in terms of this classic equation, Form is emptiness. Emptiness is form. Many of you know this, this is a classic summary statement slash equation of all the professional pyrometer sutras in particular the Heart Sutra, where literally it says Form is emptiness, emptiness is form form is no other than emptiness. Emptiness is no other than form. So understanding and unpacking that Katie, like you're doing here is really, really important. Fundamentally, what this equation is designed to do is to point out again, the relationship between form and the absolute between, well, just that form and the absolute what in fact, is that relationship and so somebody related to the earlier question, what this equation fundamentally points out, is that if you see the nature of form properly, you will see that it is that, in fact is emptiness is nothing but this relationship thing, which is exactly why Karl Rove led as a hardcore physicist can tell you, and does assert that what we know is form is nothing but these relationships. And that's why he said this is literally that he and other physicists say, say this is exactly what the Buddha said 2600 years ago. So what this does is it helps bring about the immediacy. You've heard me rant on this for the last year or so, the immediacy of the awakened state because sometimes attaining emptiness realizing emptiness, I should say, is considered the equivalent of enlightenment. And so if you don't fundamentally equate form with emptiness, what does that do? It creates a very powerful cosmological dualism that somehow when I'm looking for this emptiness thing is not right here in front of me. Somehow I have to return to this emptiness thing. Don't you simply have to recognize that Form is emptiness see? So this is really quite an important question. And this is the cash value behind it because fundamentally what does is it helps point out the important relationship between form and emptiness, the absolute, basically implying that the only thing you have to do to wake up you don't have to return to this thing called emptiness because that's all there is is emptiness, form fullness. That's all there is. You simply have to recognize the empty nature of whatever arises don't reify the form, de reify the form precisely what we do between yoga and illusory form, practice. And you realize that this thing called emptiness is right in front of you right here right now. This this glass that I'm holding is emptiness. This pen that I'm holding up is emptiness. This thing I'm looking at when I look at my silly face on the screen here, that's emptiness. And so therefore, oh my gosh, it's already here. Always 100% hiding in plain sight. I just have to recognize it. Okay, great question, Katie. So last one, and then we'll open it up. Oops, like, everything just disappeared. See, it just returned to the Dharmakaya Hold on. I love Katie's questions are always so great. Okay, so from Jim
Okay, I am doing a dream Gee doing a dream journal. I have discovered that many nights out of the week I will have a dream of being in nature in a forest or mountains. Wait a second. No, no, that's not the question that I wanted. Something's wrong here. That's an older one. Versus Can you send that to me, Alisa? That's not the question I wanted. He sent another one about dreams. Oh, here it is. Here it is. Can you recommend the best books and resources on premonition? And precognitive dreams? Okay. The best books
Well, I tell you the ones that I found really interesting from a philosophical point of view the work of William James read a book by James by Jonathan Bricklin. It's called the illusion of well, self and time William James is reluctant guide to enlightenment. William James was really big into pre cognition. And so I highly recommend his work. The other ones, Tim, and this will keep you busy for the next five years. The massive trilogy that I've been talking about, that I'm still trying to plow through it's like 2000 pages of irreducible. irreducible mind is the first one's like 800 pages beyond physicalism. And then the one published I think, last year, consciousness unbound. There is everything you could possibly want to know about premonition and pre cognition period. I highly recommend those so they'll keep you busy for less five years okay, but do these types of games come in different types of levels? Yes, they certainly do. Meaning do the details have to be exactly right? No, they don't pretend like dreaming of someone dying you waking up to find that person has died. No, no. Many of these are metaphorical. I mean, that's why you want to do dream sharing thing with Mary and that's why you want to work with dream interpretation, things. Work. I was using Gatlin and others. And that's why dreams in terms of I mean, I had an incredibly powerful precognitive dream a year and a half ago, that just within the last few months is finally coming to bear this is one of the most impactful dreams I've had the last 10 years predicting a bunch of things that were about to happen. They started happening about two months ago and have been unbelievably helpful because I kind of knew this was coming. But when I went back and read my dreams, the dream when I first went to in fact, this is what's so cool about this experience was when I had the dream, it was the night of the this amazing Confluence back in January 2021. I was in California. You may remember it it was the night when there was this amazing confluence of all the planets that one night and I should have known often I have something happen, something tends to happen on one night sleep and drain during these kinds of celestial events. And that night, I had this incredible dream and I knew the minute I woke up in the middle of the night which is a bit rare because they usually happen in the morning. So this is a big one. The dream was so impactful. I went back I close my eyes. I tried to figure it out. And some of it was so cryptic. It wasn't it wasn't at all direct, like you're talking about it was very opaque very and that's actually what creates some of the power I had to work to understand it. It was so cryptic, I actually went back to sleep and that incubated a second dream to help me understand the first dream was like I don't get this. I don't I don't understand the stream. I wrote it down. I don't get it. I don't get it. I went back to sleep because it was like four in the morning. I had a second dream that then helped me understand the first dream but how cool is that? So basically, Jim, no, they don't have to be literal. Sometimes they're very cryptic. That's kind of where the power comes from. Then you have to try to work to suss them out. The details can absolutely positively vary. That's what makes dream interpretation a real art. And so yeah, does a letter excess. Yeah, the rest of it I think is worth I can just let that go. But reckon I recommend those books beyond physicalism irreducible mind consciousness Unbound, and Jonathan Brooklands book, The illusion to will self and time, okay. All right, sorry, I'm kind of racing through these but there's a lot of them and I want us to have time to talk to you all live. So
somebody just asked if that was during the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in late December two years ago.
It was in January, January of your literally year and a half ago. Was that December it was January, but it was this big Confluence thing. And sure enough, I had these amazing I had this amazing dream, and all the stuff that came into that dream. Totally precognitive I felt the impact. I knew it was a dream. There was there was a dream a premonition prodromal and I took it very, very seriously because I've had enough of these I knew because of the impact and sure enough two months ago it's everything that happened is happening to me now it's really very powerful. So anyway, from das Sherry Bucha my friend fire away.
Nice to see you, sir. Yes. Sir. Good afternoon. Had a couple of questions about the classification of samsara. Desire realm, form realm, formless realm, is that it?
Do you want more? Well, no. There's 27 states of existence, you can cycle through
there. Okay, right. Now there's plenty there but, but those are the major three classifications Correct?
Yeah. So, samsara is is classified, sub sub broken into those three realms.
And when and then the Pure Land only applies to the form realm.
No, apparently and outside of samsara are outside of samsara. Oh, absolutely. That's why you want to go there. They're in a certain sense, depending on what puroland you go to, that's why you have to attend the program. If you go to sukawati and I have to say this with big quotation marks it's it's somewhat akin to purgatory in the sense that you're not quite enlightened right when you enter into cavity that's why it's such a unique puroland all the almost all the other puroland there's a few exceptions are completely trans samsara. They're they're just got they got to they are beyond the three realms. sukawati is a very interesting pure land, because depending on where you're born, and one of nine different Lotus grades, so there's nine stages of entry into the cavity, Lotus grade stages. Each one is actually somewhat dictated by one's understanding or lack thereof of emptiness. And so it's it's outside of samsara. In other words, in the sense that it's non retrogressive. Once you're in sukawati, you're not going to fall back to samsara so that it's trans samsaric in that sense, but it's not Nirvana, because you're still not awakened, right? Depending on which loaders grade you're in. You still have to do your purification thing and sukawati So you're still not awakened? That's what makes a cavity so bloody interesting and so accessible to us.
Okay, all right. Next question is when we will, in the Ning mas talk about an EMA post talking about luminous emptiness as the ultimate state. So the emptiness is that from a wrong Tong or shentong view of emptiness are they referring to or it
depends on who you talk to. If you if you talk if you talk to a good Luca interpretation of NEMA teachings like Dzogchen, right, then they'll say it's wrong. If you talk to Kagyu NEMA formal then it would be morshyn coma. So it really depends on who you ask. Right? Mostly, really depends on who you ask.
You know, it's good to know. Yeah, very good, sir. Thank you.
You're welcome. Always nice to talk to you. Okay, hey, Marian. Are away my dear.
Hi, Andrew. Nice to see you. Nice to see you too. Hey,
I want to share Can I share a real quick dream I was going to come on Saturday. But I couldn't because I had a house prepare stuff. Yeah, this I'm going to share this dream. I can't remember actually because this my dream like where I live right now is really just popping off the charts. But let me share this one dream because this is really awesome. I wanted to share. This is very short. Okay. I'm not sure if I shared it yet, two weeks ago or not. So this happened when I was up at dollar Mountain Center. And so I'm going you know, I'm going through some interesting things right? Now in my life and, and I had this very powerful dream. And this was the first like, this is definitely worth sharing. Where I'm sliding down. I was it was not lucid. So I was not aware of this dream. But it was very clear because I woke up from it. When I went and finished I'm going down the stream having a stream I'm going down the sidewalk this pave that shovel it's in the winter but it's icy. And as I'm going down this little hill, the sidewalk is heading towards a traffic coming across. And I'm realizing as I'm sliding down the sidewalk that holy moly if I don't stop I'm going to slide into this traffic and that's it right I'm done. And so I'm doing I'm coming down there and I'm going shit I like gonna stop so I did like a ski turn or escape turn I kicked my heels to the left to try to slop no more. Yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna make it I'm not gonna make it so I finally I realized the only way I can do it is I have to just completely fall down like a ski racer on my left side and just use everything I possibly can friction wise to stop. And so I did in fact, I stopped like, right in the nick of time, and then something else happened. But Catch this. I woke up the next morning, and I'm not kidding. I had road rash on my left arm. like wtf is that about? I did not go to sleep with it because there was enough of a road rash that I would not have fallen asleep. And so I woke up and literally it took me it took me a couple of hours like what you know, I'm not asleep, Walker, I don't have REM behavior, Sleep Disorder. I don't fall out of bed. And it's not like I'm sitting there even when I'm in RAM My body's paralyzed. So it's not like I'm sitting there rubbing my body raw. So I woke up and realized that dream was so impactful. It was like an exclamation point. Really listen to this dream. And so what I experienced in my dream manifested in my physical body, like how wild is that? So anyway, that was my sharing for today. I wanted to share that on Saturday, but I just couldn't get there.
So that's out there. Can't hear you.
Yeah. Oh, she got muted. There we go. Okay. Thanks. Wow, that is so cool. Andrew, I'd love that.
That's a good one. Yeah, I wanted to share it because it was like Well, I've never had Oh, my God before that was out there.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I have a dream that I want to share. Okay, fire away and have a question about it, too. So I started out in a non lucid dream. I was driving in a crowded parking lot was trying to get out of there. So I thought, well, I'll take the back way. So I drove behind this building. And there was a wall I thought it was a dead end wasn't a dead end. But I got out of my car. And I looked over this wall. And I saw it was a beautiful garden. And so I was gonna push myself up and over the wall. But I pushed myself up and I went up and up and up. And I went, bingo. I'm dreaming. So I so I popped into lucidity. And when I popped into lucidity I just, you know just became very blissful. And so I just started slow motion, landing into this most beautiful garden. Not like a pure land or something. And so, normally my go to check to see if I'm dreaming is I always stick my hand through a wall that meet you. Yeah, so I saw the wall it was gonna stick my hand through it was like, I don't even need to stick my hand through it. I know I'm dreaming. And so when I was looking at this garden, I looked up and when I looked up, my eyes looked up in it. And it took me out of the dream. But surprise. Well, that's what I was going to ask you. So let me finish so when I looked up, my physical eyes opened but my real room seemed like the screen my real rooms seem not so real. Like the dream felt so much more real than my room. But when did I hear you say once don't look up in a dream because it will take you out of it are my imagining that
what I what I said is if you I haven't said that Marian but what have said that if you close your eyes in a dream, it can pop you out of a dream. Several things several options can happen when you close your eyes and a lucid dream is it'll wake you up. Why? Because it tends to keep the eyes still the dream I still win the dream I still keeps the physical eyes still another there's a correlation thing again, when your physical eyes are still that tends to interrupt what rapid eye movement which is as with what dreaming. So I could see however, that when you're actually this is why I think raising your gaze could do the same thing. Because it's the same thing that takes place when you're doing like certain types of power practice. You're bringing the winds and the Hindus up so when you're when you're in the dream state and you're looking up like that, your consciousness the vendors are in the throat. And so when you're looking up like that, you're inviting them in the winds up, which is waking consciousness. So that'll kick you out of the esophagus chakra into the head chakra and that'll wake you up. So this is these are just two ways to end a dream if you want to either close your eyes or look up like that and it'll tend to kick you up.
What were those studies they did when they were proving lucid dreaming. They had the dreamers move their eyes in a certain way.
Yeah, they would just do what they would just have a preset Morse code thing because the only two muscles that aren't frozen are the diaphragm so you can breed so you can you can send a signal by holding your breath or you can send a signal by moving your eyes and so one of the classic ways to signal a lucid dream is the dreamer will start to do a little Morse code thing with their eyes and that way they know they're dreaming because they have the EGS they know they're in theater or whatever. And then they'll be able to use an E om they'll be able to monitor the eye movement and then that way they they join the two and say hey, while this person is definitely sleeping and this person is definitely sending us the signal from the dream world.
So cool. So then I was then I woke up and I thought ah well maybe I can just get back into lucidity. So I went back to sleep and I went into a dream. It wasn't lucid. It was about this. It had this giant white snake that opened his mouth in slow motion. And bit bit my friend and and I woke up just like in terror and it was so interesting to like just be in bliss and one moment with a lucid dream and then, but I often find that after I have a blissful dream, whether it be lucid or not listed, it will be followed by a very disturbing dream.
Yeah, so that's interesting in itself. So then what you can do is try to relate to equanimity to both. I mean, this is actually a suggestion I've heard from my Lamas were feeling really, really low. Remember the times when you're feeling really high when you're feeling really, really high? Remember the time that you were feeling really low IQ can relate an EQ with equanimity to the highs and the lows. So that doesn't surprise me either. There's a little teaching going on with that one, right?
That's right. I can't get to get to the bliss state.
That's right. Nice to see you're in is to see. Hey, Deborah. Hi there.
I want to Yeah, thank you so much for your guidance about breathing a couple of weeks ago. It really helped me cool. Yeah. And this morning I went to a little presentation by know Molly at integral life on a Qian Akela dish. I'm gonna put it in the chat. I can't really pronounce her name a goddess, the goddess have never not broken and it was beautiful. And when I heard you say that, our Samaya or when Samaya vows are already broken and already repaired. I was wondering, does that correlate at all or what can you say more about?
Well, I can say more about the Samaya i don't know i love this this.
This beautiful, beautiful goddess.
Yeah, I don't I don't know her that but I love the name. I love it. So I'm sorry. What about the Somalia boss? I'm sorry, dear.
Well, you had said that the Samaya bells are you said either already are always broken and repaired? Well,
yeah, that's a good question. Again. I'm not gonna go too far into this because this my vows are kind of tantric thingies and there's only so much I can say. There are 14 of these. This applies to basically one of the tricky topics. One of the ways we break Samaya at the level of Tantra is whenever you see the world as not being sacred. In other words, when you see the world in a not in a dualistic way and you see it as profane, that's breaking Samaya This is where the whole the whole practice of sacred Allah comes into play. And so again, there's there's at least 14 Major semi of ours and the some of the well beyond the scope but when I'm talking about that, always broken always repaired is because this is valid until you become a but it's impossible to maintain. But you're you're invited right? You're invited to see the world in this way over and over and over and so you take this vow even though you know you can't uphold it. You take the vowel and the fact that you've taken it creates a kind of power a little bit of magic that helps you hold your vision in this particular sacred way. The other vowels don't particularly have that type of description. In other words, I was broken I was repaired some of them when you break them, they can't be repaired actually, that's what makes them really damaging. But this one, the kind of the loss of sacred view, that happens all the time, right? That's always broken, always repaired.
Okay, thank you so much. Nice to see you. Same here. Take care. Okay.
Hey Cara.
You have some questions in the chat column.
I'm about to turn to them. Let me get last one on live and then I'll get some of these over here.
I don't know if my connection is good enough for me to stay on video but I just wanted to reconnect and say that something curious is happening. For this for three months. I've been swimming every day basically in the bay. And I was pretty afraid of the water and now I have a wet suit. And I have finned webbed gloves and I'm turning into a different I'm like merging with a different element. Like this water thing has become like the main thing in my life and I'm thinking it's because you know that would be close to air that would be close to it seems like a way to explore emptiness and do it in water first, you know, like relaxing my body in water and letting the water tell me what to do. It seems like such a just a different way of living. And I'm kind of astounded by this transformation because I'm a Taurus. I'm an earth sign. And I've always thought of myself as connected to solid things. And now I'm like in between I'm turning into a an empty thing. Nonsense, solid things.
Just been very interesting.
Yeah, so I mean, that's just cool. And that's why it's so fun to play in different elements like skydiving for instance, is a way to work with the with the space elements. Parasailing or doing stuff like that above water elsewhere as a way to work with a wind element. Swimming in for me scuba diving. I'm not I'm not sure scuba dive that those are fantastic. Ways to heighten our relationship to the water element. And then fire you can do you know in a number of different ways. So I'm not sure what else to say with about that car outside of really pretty awesome and just make sure you know you don't get swallowed by a big whale or something out in the bay. So do you scuba dive I mean, do you do stuff deeper in the water?
No, not yet. I'm I'm really no not yet. There's not much to see there's only crabs down there. It's the bay on Long Island. So I'm just I'm just getting used to like being the water. It's beautiful. It's unbelievable. Like this is a big change. So
yeah, it's fantastic. And I think again, like what I think you nailed it because anything that can help you de reify liquefy in this case, right. You're inviting environment and the water element is certainly can do that. And it's also in line with a classic devotion practice, like sky gazing and stargazing and darker treat, things like that where you use actual outer elements to invoke inner qualities of being and so when you're doing something like that, it makes total sense
to me. Right? Right.
That makes a thank you for saying that. That's exactly what I'm feeling and I'm feeling like as it gets colder I got a wet suit um, but I'm not resisting it. Like it doesn't feel like I'm doing this. It feels like there's something like pulling me
into the water. So
maybe if you can find it, I'm not sure. Off the top of my head. I can't think of overt references, but Google mamaki mam, Aki, she's the female butta have the element of water. And you might want to learn a little bit about her because also this will help you it's somewhat related to the question earlier. When Earth dissolves into water and water dissolves into fire at the moment of death. You might have a connection, the ability to recognize but Mr. McKee and then attain rebirth talking about esoteric in her pure lands in the dissolution process, so just for the heck of it. Okay, look up mamaki Ma Ma Aki and see if you can find any material on her on her. She's the female but uh, have the element of
water. I knew you would have the answer. Thank you.
I have a suggestion. I don't know if I have any answer but very cool. I love hearing this kind of stuff. Okay, thanks, Kara. Let me look at some of these. Let me look at some of these questions here and then we're getting close
to Okay, Lynn Hi,
Andrew. I think you said that we experienced the dissolution of the elements whenever we have a moment of non thought. This is when you are answering the first question today. Can you say more of that? Well, you haven't you have a dis linear experience of the dissolution of the elements whenever a thought disappears from your mind, not just non thought. So this is a really a pretty classic proclamation in the tantric world that this dissolution of the elements and the involution of the elements both ways takes place, at the end of life at the end of every life when you die at the end of every day when you fall asleep at the end of every moment at the end of every thought. And so it's pretty pretty difficult to see these little that night at night, let alone with the dissolution of every thought. But the literature says that with a very sensitive relationship. There's an energetic quality before the thought actually arises that right it has a kind of a light elemental, energetic quality. And then when it dissolves, you can sometimes even capture that the elements dissolve with the dissolution of every thought. That's pretty tough to see. But you can Okay. In meditation, one teacher told me to watch the breath passively letting the body breathe itself that sounds good. But every time I tried to watch the breath, my attention focuses on it. And I began to actively breathe. Yep, I know how that works. Any tips on how to let the body breathe without actively manipulating the breath? That's a good question. Yeah, again, this whole notion of not too tight, not too loose. The breath is a very interesting phenomena to work with, which is one reason we work with it because it's a bridge between the body and the mind is the bridge between the conscious and the unconscious and the fact that breathing is taking place all the time or you better hope it is. So in other words, it has this unconscious quality and so until this question, probably most people weren't aware of their breathing, right? But now everybody are some people maybe now I'm aware of my breathing and so the the instruction here the tip is Trump Rinpoche had a very interesting instruction here. Again, not too tight, not too loose. He said when the instruction is to follow the breathing. Don't take this too, literally, but you get the idea. He said 25% of your attention should be on the breath. 75% should be environmental, because otherwise exactly what happens is what you're talking about here. When you start to actively breathe, it means you're too tight, you're actually becoming too one, point it right. And then what happens is exactly what you're talking about. So maybe just a tad bit too tight with that. This is where the balancing act comes in but not too tight, not too loose. You have to titrate your own experience relaxed open and then you'll find that the body does in fact breathe itself. And you won't have this kind of excessive tightness involved with that. Okay, so loosen up a little bit 25% on a breath, more environmental that also invites more of the Passion equality because if you're totally totally one pointed like that, that's pure 100% shamatha bat at a certain point has his limitations can even backfire. So Trump MJ was always inviting that kind of larger environmental mixture with the passionate from ground
one. Okay. Can you from
land can you talk a little bit about how one can relate to or work with the situation when one of our teachers has died? i Oh, this is such a personal question, right. I mean, I can only tell you like what I would do, right? If you have a real connection, a heart connection to that teacher that I as I mentioned earlier, when they're no longer limited to the kind of the reducing valve of the of the body and the brain. They actually can become more available to if there are legitimate teacher then the mind actually mixes with space. And you know, how you how you relate to them or how to relate or work with the situation when your teacher is that it depends on you depends on your relationship to your teacher. You can replicate them you can cry out to them, you can call to them. I mean, whatever speaks to you. So it's difficult for me to just give you a hard call response to this if you wanted to come online and we could chat about it a little bit that would help. It really just depends on who the person is, what their relationship to their teacher is. And whether they actually have a connection to the universality of their mind once it's released that way. I often noticed that I work with my teachers, either directly or indirectly again with my dreams when they pass they often again, whether it's from within or without, I don't know. appear to me in my dreams, I feel their presence and that sort of thing. So this is a tricky one for me to answer kind of carte blanche. If you want to come out and say something. I'm happy to discuss it with you a little bit further, but this one's a little bit more idiosyncratic, personal. Yes. Fall Equinox is today. That's correct. Balancing night and day. Transition is shorter daylight until sources any comment on that? You know, I'm not an astrologer type. This is where if there are astrologer people, they can say a lot more than me. I believe in the principles of astrology, but I just don't roll in that world. I know for instance, in the college chakra Tantra if you won't really want to look at these sort of things. Karen, the college chakra is really the kind of doctrinal taught tantric basis for this sort of thing. Especially the second chapter. As within so without, and so as you know, I think you're a student of Trump on which is right. We did a saddle Maha Mudra and every new and full moon day, right. So there's definitely something happening correlating between outer, cosmological and astrological forces and movements within our subtle body processes. But I don't really roll a whole lot with these types of astrological principles and really any level so I can't really comment a whole lot
more about Benton needed now to Okay,
fire away Lynn.
And I actually your answer helped a lot. So I guess, to kind of extrapolate from what you were saying any any reasonable This isn't an actual situation right now, but it could be in the future. I mean, you know, even teachers pass on, um, you know, if I wanted to set up a special little spot on my shrine or anything that would help me connect with memories presence. Absolutely. That's a really one if, if they actually have that capability, then I guess it's just see what happens. Yeah, just as a result of my trying to extend my presence
Exactly. Well said, well said just be open to it. You might be surprised by what can arise and putting like a picture or some such thing on your trying whatever altar is a really wonderful thing to do. Doing keeping them in your in your practice and your liturgies and whatnot is always a wonderful thing to do. That I think you just your question. You just stay open, you just stay open. Then you might be surprised at what sorts of magical things can happen.
Okay, thank you.
Yeah, you're welcome. Okay, let me see here. Then I'll get back to him. Desperate one last one. Oh, I love some of these comments about my road rash from the dream. When I first shared this at the program it was amazing how many people it was actually quite funny. How many people came up with these amazing reasons for like how I got this road rash in the dream, right? It was actually it was very, very entertaining. It was very, very endearing because everybody was trying to help me figure out how I got this road rash, somehow not being allowed. Again, I'm not saying you're saying this, but somehow being unwilling to say might have been a totally psychosomatic thing based on what happened in the dream.
It was definitely different. Okay, here we go. All right, Prem
das last one and then we'll call it for today. I think I got all the questions in the chat column unless I missed something. faraway
quick follow up on the Pure land because I'm still a little confused on that is the Pure Land ideas all within the Bodhisattva Jana and so like there's no there's no real zoek Chen or essence Maha Mudra view on the pure lands or do they also have a view?
Well, they do I mean, you know, yeah, for sure. I mean, specifically essence Maha Mudra. And so can I mean, they don't that's not part of their deal, unless you're talking about ultimate puroland principle and see that's the most important thing is Caroline principle. That there there's absolutely positively and that's the essence of the upcoming weekend. Quite a strong puroland orientation in tantric Buddhism, for sure. It's just not really emphasized all that much. And that's one of the things we're going to be discussing. So you will find it absolutely positively in the tantra in the luxury Hana and ultimate puroland like Dharmakaya pure land I mean, that is option that is essence Maha Mudra. So it depends on how you you know how far you take that that multi Vaillant term, the purity principle altogether, right. I mean, natural, great perfection, natural, great purity That's ultimate puroland. See,
okay, certainly, but it seems like they don't use that terminology very often. It's, it's,
it's inherent, but no, they don't they don't do that. Not that I'm aware of. I mean, I'd have to look closely at the literature. Because again, when you're when you're working with those formulas, practices, they're not that's kind of not the charter, right. They're working with a particular aspect of the purity principle, but they're not working with this kind of semi ontological aspect of the overt puroland traditions of working with.
Do the pure lands have any correlation? With the 10 Goonies?
Yes, absolutely.
That's right. You can't you can absolutely you can't enter unless you go to Zuccotti. You have to have entered at least the first Bhumi that's the that's the baseline visa requirement for every other puroland. So that's how the pure lands relate to the movies. You have to have at least attending the first movie to attain
meaning. You have to have attained the the stage on the path of seeing Correct. Okay. Yeah. Very good. All right. Thank you, sir.
You got it. Okay, Jerry. Last one. But
can't hear ya.
Oh, Jerry, you're not unmuted already. We can't hear you.
Kind of a typical question about astrology comes from the fact that the sun has a constant circle in the sky. And that circle is broken up into 12 parts. Whatever constellation is in that part, is you know, like constellation Leo is in one. I was born as a allele. But the point is, the earth precesses on its axis, it just doesn't turn around itself. The point, you know, travels around the sky, and it takes 24,000 years to do that. So that means every 2000 years, the the X of the earth points to the next constellation in the zodiac. So the ones that are traditionally found in the newspapers, you know what sign you're born under that was where the Zodiac was 2000 years ago.
And
then 2000 years that's moved over. So if you were allele 2000 years ago, you are now a cancer. So I always get mixed up about which which astrology is a modern day, you know, physical astrology or
college or man I don't know. Yeah, sorry. I just don't know. I don't I don't roll on that world. But I have a lot of I mean, Vedic astrologers and I have tremendous respect for authentic astrology, not the newspaper type of thing. But outside of that this is an area where I'm definitely a dilettante, and I don't tread here so I don't try to you know, instead of saying anything, I just remain ignorant and agnostic and let the experts roll with this one.
Uh huh. Okay, thanks very
much. Hi, Jerry. Hey, everybody. Nice to see everybody. So what we do is just reading Yes, definitely. We have to run for now. Sorry, dear. What we do is this big dedication to merit whatever benefit we've accumulated, we gather. So we're not doing this for ourselves, and we send it out to everybody. Let's send some into Putin's brain. So he doesn't do anything ridiculous with the nuclear arms and all the stuff that's happening in the world we have to help. And even at the level of merit, we do that and then if you want you can unmute yourself, turn on your camera if you want to, and we can do this really sweet, geeky group hug before we close out for today. Otherwise to find my. Favorite part I love
the bye bye bye. recording stopped Yeah. That was fun.
