And the last few weeks, I'll turn it over to our solicitor Mike karate. It's a partial financial security production for the library.
Can you just give us a sense of that?
Yeah, sure. So the library has completed work, obviously, building the new library is they do that there are certain public improvements, they have to put financial carrier money up for mostly sidewalks stormwater management facilities in the life, as those are completed. They submit a certification, the borough engineer that they've been done, the burr engineer that goes out and checks the work when you do that, unfortunately done but checks the work to make sure it has been done. And then gives us recommendation on the reduction of that financial security. And that's what's on the agenda. Thank you.
So with that being said, Council, if there's no or is there a motion to approve those three items to add to the agenda? I'll go dad, those three items to the agenda. Is there a second? Second, any discussion on those three items? All in favor of the additions to the agenda? say aye? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? All in favor of the approval of the amended agenda? say aye. Aye. Opposed? The agenda is approved. We will now move on to public comments. And this is a time for suggestions, petitions, comments By residents. I see a number of you new to kick Borough Council meeting. So if you do speak tonight, if you can come up to the podium, and just give us your name and your address, we encourage all those speaking to do so within three minutes. Stay on topic, present your comments and a spirit of cooperation and collaboration and be respectful to the institution of our council and the public. The rewards comes in gestures.
Hello, this is all an artificial.
My name is Susan Myers. I live in free from Marshall Street here in the Barbara and I'm here tonight with several other people. And the concern is the streetscape. on State Street coming in from the eastern gateway, several years ago, trees were taken down. And some of them were in that condition. But they've never been replaced. And there was some idea that they would be replaced, I think residents put down escrow for that to be done, which was in turn return. But now with a fabulous new library, calling great attention to that part of town. The fact that this type of dead zone there right now, visually, it doesn't flow nicely into trees into the rest of the borough. And there are like cutouts in the sidewalk where the trees used to be. I understand there was an issue with trees and sidewalks and roots and so on and so forth. But smaller trees or perhaps other kinds of planters or something. I think it's appropriate. I mean, we are known as some flower town are we kind of publicized that way and then we've taken away the hanging baskets. I'm not sure why that
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The burrows barrels, I think we're in bad repair but they were not to be replaced. So that is our hope that maybe our council would consider doing something about that part of town and making a nice visual continuity with the rest of the town. So that's a grasping and we have members here have garden clubs who would be very happy as they do all the time beautifully. Plant the planters so thank you
good evening. My name is Sonia McLemore. 524 Lafayette Street. I spoke two months ago about the crosswalks at Lafayette and West South Street. Nothing has been done yet on painting the crosswalks on the streets. People are jaywalking across the street cars are not stopping the stop sign at the corner of Lafayette and Westchester is completely hidden by very very big bush at 401. My style has to be processed row wide by people just jaywalk completely across the street. It's a very dangerous corner anyway, people goes way too fast at that forum. If we could get something that we have at the top of members hill that says 25 miles an hour, that says 50 miles an hour for that, for that curve that would probably draw some attention to the fact that I'm not supposed to be speeding at that corner. And if we could also paint that crosswalk, the pedestrians would probably cross there rather than at other spots. Also, I would like to call attention to the fact that July 4 is two months away. We've been having trouble with the Seven Hills neighborhood I live very close. We have fireworks they're they're worthy of long word. Seriously, it's it's it's very, very big, very loud, very dangerous. And they're happening at Garfield Street, right behind the Lafayette Street Apartments. They're had they happen on Lafayette Street on Lafayette Street just above the MPSP apartments and Scarlett Avenue. On the other side, they've happened two years in a row. And these do not be periodic demonstrations. These are just people taking advantage of lawful lawlessness to shoot firecrackers and fireworks in neighborhoods that they're not allowed to be doing. This scares children. This scares parents or scares veterans scares animals. It's a It's very dangerous and very annoying for lack of a better word to the neighborhood. I would also like to point out if I may, since Susan was talking about beautifying the area that although it is a modest and working class neighborhood, we have what is kind of a glorified junkyard. On less out street it we have a trailer park that has fallen a trailer that is falling apart is held together by duct tape that has broken windows with flat glass holes through the glass. The the houses have broken windows, with bats flying out of them with plants growing out of them. It's people come to our town to a point there to go to here to Genesis for for for festivals and for breweries and, and they walked down there I see definitely in my neighborhood parking. This is not a good example of what a township look like either. And it's as someone Councilman said to me, once it's a it's an attractive nuisance. It's dangerous. There's kids that can do very stupid things, and endanger their life and endanger somebody else's property as well. So I'm wondering if that if we could look into into that particular neighborhood, particularly the the trainer, it's been there for over 175 years or something and it's literally literally falling apart? I mean, it's caving in held together with duct tapes. So I think that even though we are the Southside we don't want to look like a drink or part that's falling apart either. I appreciate your attention thank.
You key phrase for this castle was six minutes. Six minutes to mark. The person is to speak. Three minutes tonight. And then three minutes on Wednesday, which you go pay attention to, because you're voting and there's no discussion. There's no discussion about any six minutes a month. It's bad now right here. You people are doing what the hell you want when you want to do it and you don't care what we'd say or do. Don't look at this agenda. This is going to be nope done on by Wednesday. I get up on Wednesday and try to talk about a couple of these things, especially the business of a parking lot that you're messing with again. And you cut me off and then you just go about your business and vote on it. You know, I am still upset. Very upset with the FBI 37. It was my understanding last year that you were going to settle with Kenneth tansy of about before for 2018 And to do that 21 Before you even talk to him about anything. That's the only way to get him to do anything. Is get into PE at what they do and then say we will not talk to you about sewer until you settled in the first part. You can't do it both. You can't that just doesn't work with it. And believe me, I've negotiated contracts for almost 50 years and some of them were kind of town sick and I'm telling me there's some of the toughest because they got money and they don't care about Kennett square. Kennett square is useful that they want it if it's not useful and they don't care what other ground they got, say they got their their their property in towns that have saved 30 We have a 30 year contract for sure whether they use it all up in four years. Now explain that today. They got more sewer use? We do. And we've been here since 1923. And now they're begging for more. And that's where we have we we don't need to give them anything. And they are customers but they will come in to the surprise. So six minutes an hour a year. A concern says had no say no rights. Just the abuse we did try to give you because we want you to listen, we get no response that you won't respond anything I say Wednesday because you've already passed. That's one day for me to absorb what you're trying to do. And I get this nice time to read it all. It's ridiculous. And he was cause
so what so far actually through regular B Street and Kennett square, Pennsylvania citizen outcry, since lead crime is borough since about November has been pretty strong. People come up here echoed the same things that John and I have said over the years. And he said about the clear and bad sometimes, and even bought additional things to you that we didn't bring to what we still see you see they're very solidly, and I get an adequate response. Matter of fact, it's an insult sometimes because the response is so asinine. doesn't even seem objective thought out, or benefit in general citizens at all. That is crying chain. I heard you say right now that somebody wanted a break was a school wonder break and how they pay something. I heard you say that before about Penetanguishene. They needed a break. They wanted to receive Genesis wondered reduction. Can township that break? What did you give us a break? You hit us with a tax and some real. And then I heard you say you're just in ours might have to do with two, three more times before it was even ensued. That's what the rest of the people may not have heard. I've seen here. I heard you were basically the school don't give us a break. I don't want to say anything gets can township I could care less. But we have our laws and ordinances and zoning practices that have always kept us in check and preach and protect the citizens rights. Once I've seen that duly noted, when I look at the love of being that man in that facility, with no bark, nose, no poor communicating. And now they want to come up here and ask for something. They have no right to ask for nothing. Because they assured us to do their following with parking garage, or is your members that short? Oh, they can use the garage. As far as I'm concerned, they can use our municipal parking lot today that doesn't deserve to have any encroachment on any CO ownership or anything of any sort. Because they can walk through that alley and get back down to that new library and see whatever they want to see. And as I told you, I don't see you write in any of this thing. And I don't know you go back and read all his mental notes on all the papers you get to read. The bottom line is that you should have enforced parking before it started. So we don't want to hear that. You need to protect our interest. And that hasn't happened. Then there's the fiasco down the middle road. That is a total joke, and mismanaged by whoever's building it and you know, what do you have some money to build it's inch. So the stories are There's materials on our city streets. So the he ruined our lives as we come across Lafayette excuse me, Washington and state to make that term. And just shorter yesterday, we have Sunday the cones were on one side and the day gentlemen and one on one that gets eaten in a chair and on the other side. And I almost got in a wreck because as I went to go back into when I when it comes where a workplace, right that intersects another car who was brought on to a younger kid just went on through No, and I just said, Of course I used to win, because I liked my car and I don't want to pay. But the bottom line is that that is the most unsupervised, unforced thing I've seen in his firm in a long time ever, ever. That pit is deep enough to shake hands with Lucifer going to need to understand nothing like that should ever been built here. And the minds don't minds went back in time somebody behind the scenes while at the SunShot remote recording and prospering we know that. But the bottom line is that there are people that every bit of their you take the equipment and their supplies, industry. Even the truck on a dance studio today at Chevron Washington Street down as they please in its survival artery in his camp should be ashamed of yourself. And you should be enforcement people so much that they don't want to come back for nothing else. And I don't know if I've agreed no engineer been down there. I don't believe in an engineer been down there that Oh, as I sat on a metal thing, and for all my cars, it's gone. But it's done. Hell it was somebody needs me to vibrate you shook I think what you're about to get somebody down there with some expertise, because our people did inspect that planes, our people did it been down there because I've been down here, I began to talk to the workers personally. When they started blocking streets and had an accident down in the writing department either hit and run, because they were blocking everything and nobody knew they were gonna block off anything, somebody down there, and it's not our road crew people's responsibility. That's a bigger job. The other thing is, I always say, the government starts at the local app, you should realize that when you start building all these things, and the rental start outweigh the home ownership, that you have totally destroyed your game. Because representing bringing in transient populations, they never get secured and set in place. We want people in homes, we want people going to the same churches, the same school organization, so they know one another. We want people that are diverse. We want people diversity, not only ethnicity, race, economic status, marital status, we want to give everybody a chance and you've destroyed that now, as the park pavilions close down, and we could reopen under help show your park and face people as they did on Linden Street. And I'm not happy with that. Mr. Norris, I read that man that you told me his name works. But that should never went in historic district should ever even have another floor. Because we're violating our own codes. We should not have a street a house on that street. Let's sign on advertising something as as somebody agency to draw a piece. And it's empty and been empty to start the neighborhood because we don't want them in the middle of our blocks. No, thank you as well. I know you're going to get me there. But one more thing.
One more thing last time, God Okay, now there's two things
you need to hear because you give us 30 things each time we come to get on an agenda. That's what the time was for now. Don't try to change one thing, citizens comments. One more. I hear the lie up. You're trying to tell me I'm wrong. Citizens comments or anytime
wants and that's enough. You
don't want to hear any more. Any more public trash down the street, it should have been trashed. Because Watson, you're going to hear that because nobody can drive down there. That is certainly an elitist mentality when you put one bid down in Salem Street in town people to get there. And they don't even know when we have bins all over town and we pay too much for what we're not getting and what's not that these people start screaming at the same way I did.
My name is Sandy Lehmann limit to 18 vesicles pm and I just want to add to what Susan Myerson I have to say our garden club came up with the barrels. And to my understanding, we were like 20 Barrels short, they had been removed. And one comment we heard was they were removed because they were dilapidated. And another comment was, well, they're going to be replaced with barrels that we watered automatically. That would be delightful. But we haven't seen any yet. And we have touted this time town, in publicity and center as being the flowers. And people come to see the flowers, they go along with it, nobody can square, they are anticipating seeing flowers along the street, because that's one of the pictures of our town shell. And it's time that we get the barrels more barrels and have them. The other thing is we were also telling the barrel was no longer going to warm. They had been water for several years, we did it with little one bucket at a time, going into all the stores asking for water to water the barrels. And finally bird took over that responsibility. It is not a big job for the public, because they described as to go home is yours to go over there. And now they're saying that they're not doing that. I think that's wrong. It's not doing the town any favors. Thank you. Thank you.
Marker about pointer
to federal and North Broad Street. I don't know anything because I haven't heard yet about this easement in the parking lot behind the library, old library. But I had an issue with us giving a permanent easement to someone we don't know who the person is, we don't know anything about what the status is of what they're going to have loaded or unloaded. There's parking places in front of the library. Other people get their deliveries industry, I'm not sure why we would give up or space. If there are tractor trailers, I don't even know they would get back there and to load or unload because they would have to come up that Middle Street where the over a building was and crook around to get into that parking lot. I just don't see that being a viable option. And I don't think that us as for residents should give up that parking lot. I think it should be used, especially if the low current library has been parking. And now they're businesses in that little area. But that's that's all I have to say about that because I just don't know enough to say anymore. Thank you for being
here.
I'm Holly Peters, and I own one of the buildings right here that parking lot 109 South Broad Street, I'm one of those little businesses. And in Marbella, we've got four built businesses. Right next to us, we have the American Legion. And if you folks were at the previous meeting where this was discussed, just really good covered what I said, Then, which is that I believe that it's in the best interest of the community to keep that municipal parking lot as is available for everyone's use. I think about before businesses that are in my building KPC grew kind of square parallel lash studios and life. This is Holly Peters right in the rugs. And to the point about loading and unloading, we unloaded 17 pieces of furniture off of the truck last week, which is commonplace for us. And we got it done pretty quick. We've unloaded tons of rugs and carry them up to the second level, which is where my showroom is located on a regular basis. And all kinds of things are coming and going from the NRA. This weekend, there was a jazz festival, the parking lot was full. The American Legion banquet hall uses it all the time. And their events have as many as 300 people coming into town into a hotel or let's be clear some of those many of those folks are from our Latino community, and the rent that they pay goes to support the veterans. And I think that's really the way that community could set should say, to ask those folks who have been doing that, in that manner for so many years to now, you know, hike up to the municipal parking lot and give special dispensation to one entity. I just don't see the point of it. I think there's enough space back there for everybody to work together to To be able to use it. And I'm just talking about the businesses, I haven't even touched on all the folks that just like using that parking lot when they come into town, handicapped people, people with children who don't want to unload on the street from the office in for shopping, coming into the borough to do business. So that's really the crux of what I want to say. I do think that before anything would happen with that, with that parking lot, that there really needs to be careful consideration. And like a feasibility study, I know that communities are changing, and the way that people move around them and are changing. But to the point, perhaps before we take these like, sort of say, Okay, we're going to throw our throw this out here and then pay for our sins later, I really think we ought to look at the bigger picture of the whole parking situation and where people land and where they parked when they come into town. That is the last parking lot as I understand it in town. And I think it should stay public. Thank you.
Thank you, Miss Peters. District Attorney, can we have a hand up first?
So I'm going to take the hand, it was up twice, no
problem. Thank you. I appreciate it. You could find me with it being the new chair of the cola bison commission as your service. I want to introduce myself, I want also to inform you that this year, we can do the same call imagine. Sorry. Celebration, I'm kidding. Because they because they will increase and that will take a lot of time for us. We hope next year when they do look like that we are planning to do the same. And we tried to do last year to look here in the morrow earlier this year who we celebrate with. They got us wrong, I won't date a single module will be done necessarily the fourth at 430 in the afternoon, and you are all invited to this celebration. That for America is the same for America is pretty important for the Mexican is second one after an Independence Day. They potentially Puebla was very important because was a confrontation with the French. Okay, as your service anytime.
Thank you, Mr. Chang.
Thank you. Can I report to American history? A couple of things. One, it just seems to stick the most is the consideration for retroactive approval grant applications and letters of support. I know I've mentioned it before. Part of the problem with that. Not that every one of us agrees with me is having only one monthly Council ad open to the public. If you had to, you probably be able to eliminate a lot of this retroactive stuff. Now. The Barrow could lose out because it was late. Whether you approve it or not. It's silly on the Burroughs part to have something that comes in that you're trying to get money to pay for stuff that you want to do. But it doesn't get sent up there until after the deadline. It's a deadline for a reason. Not the only town or borough that is looking to get the money. That's why we went to this one meeting a month, and then a work meeting on Wednesday. Kind of this meal, but it doesn't give any member on his Borough Council the chance to sit down and look over everything that's going to be brought up at that work meeting and make a semi good idea as to what they want to do. It's silly, it doesn't work properly. It hurts the borough overall. tends to piss off some of the community. And we lose money that we would get to pay for some of this stuff that we want to do. Like the silver, like water, like the roads, all these things that the borough needs to take care of. That's what the money's worth Police Department. That's what that money's for. And by not getting them there on time. You're not hurting anybody but to borrow as a whole. Because you're not getting it on time. Deadlines are deadlines. Do you want me to I think you guys are not charging military. Because the military grand is way. We speak Russian. And I speak from 20 years experience in that business. So, and this stuff about the easement on the parking lot seems to go hand in hand with not doing departments study for that same parking lot. Doesn't make sense to me. Doesn't make sense to a lot of people from what I hear. So I mean, you know, the buyer wants to do away with it. That's up to you guys. As far as the easement, what is the easement for? I see on here on your agenda after every opening line says attachment. Jeff, I think that maybe people at the department would like to see what those attachments are showing and saying. You have a thank you that? I don't think so. We I would like to see some of these things. Just because one I'm nosy and see what's going on. And I want us to know what's going on in the park. Because I live you may have only lived here for 15 years. But some of you guys especially you know how I can be. I appreciate your time, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you Mr. Edwards. And happy birthday. Thank you. Any other public comment?
That struck
especially? That's absolutely.
John Thomas 467 Pro Street. We lost a member of our borough council from years ago, this last week. Steve Kelly. He was 61 was a lawyer and he was also on council and I was on the council. And he volunteered a lot. And it was good man. We fought like cats and dogs. But we got along very well. And I'm sorry to hear. And I think it's important. And this bird though, that Steve Kelly passed, and it was a good remember this. He has a wife and a son.
Thank you, Mr. Thomas, I
appreciate your words.
And other public comment. There being none, we'll move on to the reports. I do not have a president's report, I will move to Berman
Sure, happy to provide some feedback, a lot of good comments here. If I miss anything, feel free to connect afterwards. Just before I lose some people on the flowers, we are going to continue to water and I'm not sure where that number came from. And kind of collaborative actually makes a decision on the pots or barrels and things like that so we can connect you with them. But I don't know where that rubber
came from.
We're not playing the stop water. And on that point, actually, we're looking for volunteers for cleaning up the the side of State Street as you come down in Boulder, so the north side there, because that's a bit of an eyesore as well. They're just don't have the funds to hire a company to do it. But we'd love to do to dress up that area and make it a nice entrance. So if you could leave us your feedback or your contact info so we can can talk about that. Thank you. The the mentioned crosswalks from the last meeting, that area has actually been paved. So it hasn't been painted yet because we want to pave it first and then painted. The bids just went out. So just hold tight. That'll be late summer, early fall. Yeah.
So I forgot to mention that Sarah Street, and west. That was the Austin's the crosswalk, completely thing.
So in about
a month, it might be six weeks, we're going to put out once all of our bids come back and we hear back from the county on a funding kind of grant going for will release all the roads will be repaid dishes can be quite a few. And then what we're planning to do in the next couple of years, so that'll be new real roadmap for the work that's being done. So just hold tight on that
so yeah, just we're gonna say thank you to the volunteers for for their work, and I think we're going to do something public pretty soon. See, I'm just trying to go through these comments here. In terms of the fireworks, we'll we'll check into that. We'll see if that's, you know, in terms of a noise violation or what can be done there. I'll ask our code compliance team to check and ask our code compliance team to check into the West house screen with junk, the junkyard? And check into that house.
If we Yes, yes.
Well, let will limit the public info that you just took when we get through our reports.
In terms of the parking proposal, the staff and council got a pretty clear message about what the community thought of that a few months back. So just hold tight we're going to talk about tonight is a much more scaled back version of that. So I understand you're seeing it now. But just hear it out. And let's go from there. The same on the school district? proposal? I think we just need to have that discussion, that council here. You'll hear what our thoughts are on that. And I think that's about it.
Any questions for? Chicago? Probably anything from the Solicitor's Office. Yeah. So
just to add to what Kyle mentioned, in terms of response to public comment, Ken made a comment about if there's an attachment or referenced attachment to the agenda. Those are both posted on our first website and the public public reading documents, as well as Rachel has two copies of those packets up here before each meeting. Otherwise, we've got a number of different agenda items we can go through and look forward to talking to those through as you guys will get
them. Thank you, Mr. Chief, Holdsworth, police department.
Good evening, Council, Mr. Mayor and public. So I did submit a report to you this morning. Unfortunately, with as the month closed yesterday, you weren't able to compile until this morning. So it isn't Dropbox now. If you have any questions about that, please feel free to ask. One thing I would like to point out that this was a discussion point, I believe in the fall it was there Norris had brought up the whole volume seemed like dipping gave an explanation as to why that was beginning January one this year. As you can see by the numbers, the numbers are drastically higher. But it's not because there's some rising crime anything along those lines. We were categorizing things by grouping them strike save for officers to some some data entry time. Now, beginning category one, the Academy which is our computer aided dispatch, began our pagetiger project which actually automatically begins a computer entry for us into our RMS system. So it cuts down on a drastic amount of report entering time for the officers. So now everything you see is more of an actual one for one of what the officers are actually doing. That's why you see for a year to date 2023 The numbers are 4000 compared to year to date 22 was 2300. So I just don't want you to get the wrong perception. something drastic will take place and this is just going back to how we used to document on our officers activities to clarify that but I don't have anything else to add most urgent questions
have
any questions for the chief? prior company chief Brady and we update Thank you sir. Committees um, I'll start with personnel. We did not meet this month but I am wrapping up kasi bow finally and we'll be scheduling time to deliver that to him this week.
Public Safety our meeting this month mostly focused on the special events permits that are here so we can address them as they come up. I will point out for folks that don't know if you if you don't know that the police department there is a drop box for prescription medication that you want to discard. So if you've never been there, I didn't know that. You can go in and drop off your your reputation. We want to make sure that the medication doesn't wind up into the sewer system. A lot of people think it's better just to flush it we don't want it in the sewer system. And just to give you an idea last month, we collected 36.3 pounds of medication, which is a lot of medication if you pour in what's leftover so you can stop in during business hours into the lobby and drop medication often there's a lockbox there
for it to be properly disposed of
by Nance flycatcher two reports if you don't mind briefly, finance as well as the sewer absolute meetings with the township. In terms of finance committee, we had our most recent meeting April 23, April 28, everyone is always invited to them. And briefly, we have our final year in summary numbers in pretty much where we expected them to be Nick as those final numbers. Overall, our general revenue was about 10%. over budget primarily from our book COVID payments of $326,000. Water and Sewer very close to the budget perfect projections, overall parking revenues, the cost to do some capital improvements on the garage were less than expected, we actually ended up with $134,000 surplus. So a very good turnaround year for the garage overall, solid waste trash was basically breakeven as it should be. In liquid fuels, there was a small amount of money. I think it was $50,000. And we didn't lose us last year. But we are carrying that over to some large projects this year. Our audit, first draft is due June, we're trying to speed that up. And March, overall March year to date for 2023 is is in good shape. And again, parking is ahead of where they need to be in a lot of large capital projects are going to go off very shortly, you know, as the summer of warmer season comes on. I also just want to make sure there was a comment made earlier about me leases finance committee chair, saying that we kind of have to raise taxes two to three times more. But as far as I'm aware, we are just certainly not planning. I certainly never said that. Yes, we can we can agree to disagree and agree, ma'am. Yes. We can agree to disagree. But you certainly
as well. would certainly
not want to raise taxes again as
Yes, that's what I say. Yes, what I said was Watson. Reminds me and then charge me at the same time. You have grown? Oh yeah, I do that with you. I hold a board drawers. And you have a conflict of interest. Right. And
this isn't designed for this.
Yeah, let's say when you sat down
to do this, so
we have no desire Yes, taxes was good man. Holy cow.
No problem. Am I
wrong? We had a sewer reading with Canada township on the 17th of April. And we are required like it or not John will be required through the DEP to do a joint 537 Because we have an agreement with them. We also have an agreement with with Newberry Township. Newberry has not been using their sewer capacity, which is not helping us from a revenue standpoint, but it's certainly something we're looking to try to redeploy. We are still working with Kennett township because they have a contract for the amount that they have to pay for the sewer. What we're really trying to do is to get them to increase the cost that they're paying for the sewer, that they're not responsible to pay, what we're trying to use that for leverage going forward as well. So those are two brief reports.
Thank you very much. Let's see here. Anything from municipal relations
nowadays not this month? We
do and we are having I think I believe on Wednesday, one of our workshops is reorganization for our committees, boards, and Chairman just to make the order or commissions just to make sure we're being effective as possible when those committees. We are moving to the public meeting now chapter 11 parking ordinance updates, Mr. Crotty and or the chief
striking. I'm gonna read verbatim the entire ordinance. Just kidding. Coming out of that public safety meeting, I believe there's been some discussion about some changes and tweaks to the parking readings that are set forth in our firm code. These are part of our or ordinances that we enact in detail where parking is allowed and times that it's allowed. The ordinance itself has been advertised in the newspaper. And the purpose of tonight and as well as Wednesday night is to accept any comments from the council as well as from the public on that draft ordinance. The chief is here I'm sure you can go through a detail on a specific particular questions or changes that have been made to it. But with that, Stephanie
is there any public comments specific to the parking wardens In this update
if that's what we have a problem,
then this was up at last month's meeting and then it was advertised for the public. Last month. Chief did you want to give an update just as far as some of the background and what led up to those shorts
or so. So this came from a few handful of complaints that came our concerns, I'm sorry, those were the concerns that came forward to the Public Safety Committee. As far as additions that were looking for parking restrictions, different ways to improve safety and a couple of different areas of town. As we started, then, looking at the ordinance itself, I started reviewing and seeing that there was multiple things that were just incorrect, there was mistakes, there was from street names, there was sections of town that have already been developed, such as, for example, by by Miss Watson, there was no parking, supposedly, from cyber street to the railroad tracks. Well, there's no street that makes it all the way to railroad tracks. So sections like that were removed, just you know, for you know, forever for clarity on it. And updating was done to to actually make it correct for where all of our parking ordinances need to be, especially for enforcement purposes for parking. So this was not a an overhaul of adding things to it. This was an overhaul of fixing corrections, or adding corrections, you know, to things that were just improper.
And I know that as I look at it, that's what it was
more 95% of this was just corrections.
Discussion from Council,
where there are a few neighborhoods like North Broad Street, from Linden to circle, it saying it's residential parking only with that in place of the permit. Only parking Yeah,
so that was kind of a crossover session, we have ease limited series considered part of a residential parking permit area. But then there was also a section in the let me see if I can actually find it, that actually allow for to our partners. So it defeats the purpose of having a residential parking area only to then have people come there and be able to park for two hours without any enforcement possibility. So that section of His ministry was removed from that to our parking. So it now says all the residential parking. So it was, again, it was a combination of a bunch of different things that as I came across, it just didn't make any sense to keep them in there. So the road forward to public safety.
And our there are a few places where right by adding meters,
we are not adding meters actually, we have added more restricted parking on on Mill Road was one of the concerns that came up public safety as far as where the residents were Magnolia places mailboxes are on the west side of the street. And there was concern that because of where cars were able to park, residents were having difficulty with traffic seeing them as they started to try and cross the street. So we added that as a no parking area. And then we also delineated in the ordinance the east side of Mill Road, which was part of the construction and design, but it was not in our ordinance. So we added the restriction for parking on there. Even though the signage was already up. It just wasn't important.
It was a lot of information.
It most certainly was especially as I was going through.
So can I ask you want to split them with the churches being there? If you're saying that's all residential marketing, now, we're the people that attend that church, where are they supposed to park?
So church does have a parking lot behind it. But also most of the Church activity takes place on weekends when residential parking time effect.
And everything will just be signed and
visible. We do work with the church as far as when there's funerals, large funerals, watch and research some scary for them.
Only one church has a parking lot. Okay.
Anything else from Council? Yeah.
I think somebody might have mentioned motocross.
Sure. Yes, there are some changes that residential only what is
now North raw Street is affirming street. So there was a few permits that were on the street already. Those are still actually staying in place. That I don't believe. I don't believe there was anything else done to change the motocross racing.
Bill. Yes, sir. The Alley back in the old vertical and the SP Bang. The pocket mirror you come out in the drive thru, wanders the edge as you can see up the cars fly down that out. It's amazing how fast they go. And you can see because there's a car parked right by the hedges and one
which which section of the aisle you're talking about. Shalini talking about church allocation between Apple and, and cypress?
Cypress. Okay. that secondary is simply a winner and one edge to it as a car parked by the A's on on that side of the alleys. You're on the road going inside. Yeah. And there's a car that always want to drive thru between the drive thru and cypress Street,
his next property are the hatches on the bank's property,
though the edge is on the old burr property, and you cannot see and opposite for I'm just amazed how fast cars the added because they don't expect you to remember that there's Dr. Z coming out and said, you know for years didn't. So it's dangerous. And I don't know if you had that any evidence? Check that.
Sure. So we'll take a look at that now on relational problems.
Question. Yes. Sandy Dantonio to 20 North Broad. I just want to bring this up again. Linden street residents do not have enough parking spaces. And I mentioned it before the parking garage charging at night, to me is a problem. As I've mentioned, I have a driveway. But I'm just getting out. I just don't think that's fair. So that's what I wanted to say. Again.
Maybe not comments, any other questions regarding this ordinance from the public. Any other discussion from Council? Chief, I want to thank you all involved for looking over and making the housecleaning items and your objection with moving this to consent. Thank you move on to special events application the Chester County town tours and village walks have the city clerk do not pay fees here. I also have cheap potential backup for the background information here.
I'm sorry, I'm going to insert
a special event application
for the Chester County town tours
called I'm sorry this this was brought up public safety limited actually discussed. What there's going to be is certain groups of four taking place walking tours throughout the town. And we had agreed to to actually station in either the parking enforcement officers or parole officers at the two slots one will be on Marshall Street and cypress and the other will be on Russia and Cyprus actually crossmembers just to make sure that everything's safe the rest of the results or
areas and this is pretty much the same as they've done with the ghost stories in the Audit History tours etc. Yes,
yes my knowledge is
there questions or discussion from Council on that? Always a good event and it's nice to see women show up on the agenda as well and keep wishing her well that Dickens considering the appointments of Esmeralda Carrillo and add car Hernandez to a cola Mr. de cine anything that you wanted to present as far as these candidates
Perfect
thank you. I am very old. I would give a tire as soon so we have the pleasure to have for the new generation that is coming to a corner and two young ladies than the dino ladies that will help us to improve our Saturdays in the future. Okay, plenty we are we are very pleased to for the new generation is something that we need to pass the slack for them to grow and create for over two each. So really, Miranda is a member of that they are members of different organizations here in town and are profound. I hope that they will do an excellent job in the future. Excellent. And your questions were thoughtful
to either one of the candidates when they say anything introduce themselves Rob stole the microphone
See, I believe
but it's not just at the last minute I'm gonna say it's gonna carry yoni. Yo, good evening everyone. My name is Amanda De La Nina. I live in 454 is Street in Kennett square round that corner and I'm here tonight so apply for a column I populate me Thank you. Thank you
could you mean my name is Ivan so it's easy pronounced
I hyphen D I that I live
at once on for new guard Roman and Alcatel and I hope we go like tickling kids in consideration of applications for me a member of their
family, we put you on the spot.
Any discussion or questions from Council?
I have one question. I know you're you're from you live in Avondale? Not Canada boroughs that correct? That's correct. I personally have been trying to get as many folks from the borough to populate the borough committees as possible, because I think that's what those committees involved with. And I certainly have no disrespect for your willingness to serve and to help the broader Latino community. Have we tried to get Kevin residence? On Mr. Chairman? Yes, we have.
The situation of a community here that mainly are working in, in our in this area, is that they are spending 60 hours a week to be working. So several individuals in our community that they would like to help, they would like to volunteer, they really don't have time. If you see, you know, I haven't been but also the ACH. You see that sometimes, the report is not able to go to the medical service, because they don't have enough time to do this. Especially in some of our jobs, you've got to find a schedule, that is fixed. Sometimes they move you. So you have to go to the medical service. And they change you the working day. So you can do that. So that's a problem in our company. The simple belief that I'm sorry, I see my time.
That's a good idea.
to patiently wait, use the situation to change our habits, after the COVID really sit down with our members, the young members that are working right now from the house, they are not totally adjust to the new scale. So it's something that I believe that we will need to already be to hear from more, in addition to the time that we put together the better situation. I don't know what to add subsidized.
Let's find out just like to have to find Kathleen Snyder. I'm also a member of Macola. Vice President of Ebola, and a couple of years ago, I'm not sure if the day an amendment was made to allow people who do not live in the world to serve.
And not please, please, I don't mean to offend you whatsoever. I'm just, I'm offended.
And you're not the person. And I certainly support I support you and grateful to you and we'll certainly vote for that. I just want us wherever possible to get kin residence caliber residents and populate the communities that we have as much as possible. But
thank you very much.
Really which I write, but also it mentioned something you know, that is impacting our community that the cost of living in Canada earlier. Yes, Scalia. was part of what they'll say. It's a situation that this company, okay,
thank you. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, you just said you didn't even like
my name you Select that video I live on 510 Ridge Avenue in Kennett square. I've been here 27 years and I wish I can volunteer. Allah I don't have the time I volunteer in order organizations and I if if I have to vote I need my vote to identify because really like it's really hard to, to find members of a Kennett square to join a Hola, have you been asked many times in anguish I have the time but my vote goes to that I'm sure she's going to do a wonderful job and she will not let anyone down. Thank you. Thank you.
Now if you didn't, I can add it. That's okay. Yeah, yeah. If your workout rent, I would like to do have one more? Oh, there you go.
Yeah, but just to let you know that we live with people, we've tried to solve it to recruit people from the borough. But we don't just want it to be in San Juan, just in San Juan. We want that perfect person who's willing to work with the government. But it's also as willing to put their heart out for the community, someone who, who can take care about the community, and what's the best for everybody, right. So that's why we're like, looking for other people around wonderful people that is, unfortunately not to have like the opportunity to live in this wonderful area. So please consider that to be part of that whole lot. She's an amazing person, we can say enough of her willingness to do some work here. Because she's just right in the corner, he can finally find you
by month. Exactly.
So part of the community. Yeah. For councils, discussion.
I think we just really appreciate the fact that you are stepping up and volunteering your time for such a worthy cause. So thank you.
It's exciting to see the next generation coming up and taking part of it.
Any objection to moving this weekend spent on Wednesday, counsel. All right. Thank you. Thank you both. Civil Service Commission, except the certified hiring list developer for certified electrical was by council on November 2022.
Yes, so this was brought up the last Council meeting to charge the Civil Service Commission to then create a certified hiring list for a full time officer should the position become available civil service stands as one of the manual on April 17th, to review the previously generated certified Eligibility List and create a new hiring list. And that has now been approved by the Civil Service Commission.
And the questions
of same question I think I've asked before Chief, do any of these three candidates be fluent Spanish?
They do not. wish they did. I wish all of them did.
Do any of them plan to learn to speak Spanish? I'd be for that. Thank you.
Anything else? Any objections or concerns? All right. Codes and zoning, zoning hearing what application for 110? The State Street top dog spirits. Carrie, did you need the mic?
Probably not. Upstairs is one of the tenants going into the lunch and the Street property. They are applying for a variance from us in that our town Scarborough allows brewery and winery but not distillery. They are not going to be making alcohol there. They will be bringing it in bottling or canning. I'm not sure but don't quote me and then packaging it to resell. So they're basically asking for a variance to the use. Allow the use permitted in that in that field. distillery describe the particular reason.
Any questions and just as far as I got since this is a zoning issue. Council is not approving this per se Correct. That we're just advising and basically giving our thoughts more or less.
That's absolutely right. It goes to our second zoning hearing board. They hold a hearing that's advertised in the newspaper right with a court reporter and party status
but they're There's nothing wrong with counsel just discussing it and getting thoughts out in the open. That's all
in retail or not. Yes,
it's right to history.
It's retail, it's not a storefront. It is inside, it is
inside they will be repackaging to send back out. They have, they do stuff later, which is permitted a tasting room where you can go in and purchase. But the time to get there means request is the actual use, because they must be licensed as a distillery with the state to deliver a control board. So distillery is not defined in our ordinance, winery brewery is one thing,
very filling.
And so this is just looking for a variance not for adding distilleries to codes.
Right. Yeah, I'm just clarifying. Yeah, yep.
So we're not opening ourselves up to suddenly having a distillery in a highly populated area that could be
in Aries. Although strictly that that property in that location.
So it's not opening us up to other distilleries wanting to open up in other parts of the Uptown downtown
quadrate. They'd have to go through their own variants.
If this specific case, were to have their various granted, would there be anything to prevent them from saying, you know, what, refactorings Niceville. Now we want to actually distill can they just go do that
is typically when they go to the zoning hearing board, they're gonna have to describe the specific use they wanted to make. And the zoning hearing board can impose conditions on one of those is typically you have to comply with the statements that were made during that hearing, which would be you know, as
write me notice something essentially, or no actual
distilling, that could be a condition that
closes, scrapped gets potentially
SubTerra follow up to the sort of Mr. Thomas's question, to write up that he sent us seems to indicate it's basically a mixing room, they take some stuff in juice and whatnot, and then mix it up, bottle it and send it back to this broad, whatever it's called a big company that that there is their primary client, boardroom spirits, but
other other tap rooms, other facilities here in town and purchase, there's their dreams right now. So,
I understood that part. But then, as part of the application, there is a map or a diagram of the layout of the building, which includes a tasting room, I said in the restaurant, for kitchen,
kitchen. Yeah, when they were talking about the tasting room, which is a permitted use and not part of this variance, it cannot be it cannot be disputed, it is a permitted use no matter what they are in that area
or a tasting room.
Similar to Thai pants, very similar.
Okay, thank you. So, Terry, basically, considering that the word spirits is basically just going to be bottling, they're gonna have shipments that come in from a distillery.
Yes, they will not label
and not mixing stuff together.
They are going to mix juice with a capital with spirits.
I'm sorry, but last I knew
they have to be licensed in the state of PA as a distillery, that's a limited license, they will discuss all of that at the hearing.
That is, it's it's not a quick question for the country to be up there. And I know that they're not supposed to
be discussing it here. I'm just trying to figure out what it is. We're going to say mixing layers mixing something
with alcohol
making it something different than what the basic product is it's going into that to me is a distiller
about a variance to the permitted uses in our
distillery legalized moonshine that's why that's why they're there. That's why they're applying for America. That's why they're here and then
I just want to do replication is wonderful. Whether there's going to be, that's what I want it.
They bring out well and then they sit live from what I'm gathering again, this will go to the zoning hearing board, but by law the proceeding afterwards is Borough Council and Planning Commission. To explain all of that they will bring in alcohol from what I'm gathering next improvement or juices and Ray cannons similar to seltzers flavored beers, the microbreweries mix their alcohol, I assume they will explain all of this at their hearings.
So well, they have to adhere to the same safety standards of
the birds, the breweries that are in town as well.
That's the whole reason they brought it in is because the LCB is requiring their license to say distillery, because it involves alpha, not the IRS now, not why
this was brought up
the sort of distinction of what the seller needs in this case, is that something that counsel wants to put out a recommendation for
a year night? I don't think so.
Okay, I don't think so. I personally think your recommendation to let the zoning hearing board right decide what's best for the town is is the best position possible to pull this off and
to we're not taking any action there's no action on this. Yeah, this is apparently discussion just
Council one stuff that a retail store in your retail space. That's why I did was go read it there and making gin and scotch and you could win it by when you're on the storefront the retail at that standard
right, any other discussion? All right. So, we are not taking any action on this anyway, this was just strictly description police department.
So, this is the follow up and acceptance of the grant will trial for in November of 22. We have been awarded through pccb partial award of 77 154 for the grant period for 123 through 3125. And this is now the council to formally accept the grant so I
ECCD when
there is no match to this grant.
Any discussion from Council? I accept
any objection moving Mr. Consent? Cannot thanks. Thanks again chief for looking after those brands and getting them in. Mr. Moran considering consider the temporary construction easement agreement for 227. East South Street. Right now
we have our South Street pump stations are about station and backyard. And we have plans to move it over to next to the borough parking lot across the high school and the beating out the bloodline and getting paid to do the work and there we need every instruction has been
questions comments discussion from Council? Pretty straightforward. Any objections to moving this to consent?
No.
Fee resolution schedule for the liquor license transfer
fee. Are you chill with Pennsylvania law when someone wants to transfer a liquor license into the borough, we have to hold the hearing and go through a process to do that? He does not do that. Okay. Instead, Rachel and I were talking and one of the things our fee schedule is missing is a fee for when those hearings come in. So in order to recover our costs, when those do come in, we wanted to make sure our fee schedules updated and things that $1,500 which is consistent with nearby municipalities and consistent with RSS feed costs to run the advertising keep the lights on get the court order otherwise.
So what have we observed Roll those costs with previous situations like that.
I believe I don't think we've had one come in in the recent past. It's been a number of years.
And the only reason why this came up was we've had a request or it has didn't come through. But we figured that it just made sense to have it through there in case that it should come through in the future.
Thank you for looking at how often do those charges change? Or do they change every year? So is this is something we should look at annually?
So we can change the fee schedule? Anytime, right? preciously.
But I mean, based on what the charges are, that this fee is paid for more or less?
Yeah, it's really, we can't make money on these paperwork in terms of what our expected cost would be. So as our costs shift over time, we probably want to adjust our fees, whether we do that in each year, or kind of during the budget season or some other
questions.
Just a question that I heard that someone, can we not just charge the actual cost and not to pass on the actual cost? Or is that not how it works?
No, it's not how it works. So we need to first we need to make sure we get the fee up front, because you don't want to try to run after your money afterwards. Try it. And second is a lot of the stuff like the administrative time, the some of the, you know, keep the lights on. Those are all squishier terms of a specific application can say, Okay, you took two and a half hours, we're gonna charge you so many kilowatts that to
whatever. Anything else we have any objections to concern? Thank you for identifying that Rachel and Mike, considering the retroactive letter support for rules free for
sure. So the next few items are somewhat intertwined here. The first one is a retroactive letter support for grants we put into the Chester County community revitalization program. It's largely an infrastructure program, the county has, they have a particularly high amount of money this year, they're switching, I understand to an every other year funding system. So we didn't want to miss the opportunity to get this and it was just in missed the previous agenda. So coming back here for retroactive approval, we have put in the request of No, we put into request for $500,000, it requires $100,000 local match, we have the funds to do that, that was primarily the tax increase dollars are going to grows. So this seems like a winner for us if we can get anything from.
Alright, we'll move this to consent. There's no objections. And then tied to that the retroactive approval of grant applications and letters of support. So
having said all that, obviously, we're not going to give up an opportunity to miss out and bring dollars, but no one wants to have a retroactive action on here. So our staff member Sonny didn't come forward, like and suddenly craft a good policy, just to work through which grants should we absolutely come to Council for approval before we submit, and which ones can be quoted, you know, and come to council with after, if we're really tight on time. So I mean,
yes, so we had a recent grant opportunities that came up. For the promo, we wanted to have shorter application timeline windows. So we want to develop a policy in which the girl would be able to apply for grants, and not miss out on a possible funding with retroactive approval. So the policy for retroactive approval would be that if there's any match funds, if there's any resources to borrow would be committed to upon receiving the grant funding would be clearly identified and already budgeted. And that the project or the initiative of the grant was outlined in either the borough budget the capital improvement plan, the strategic plan Initiative, or some other broad document, which the borough has already expressed support for it. So for example, G previously submitted a request for police vehicles. So I don't believe it was a match for that. So that would have been applicable, obviously, the idea of improving our capital assets or an infrastructure that would be applicable, same with the county grant that we just that we just are seeking approval for now. So under those two criteria, area, it'd be something that we'd be able to apply for the grant and then had a bunch of actual approval from the from the council. And then that's what happened. The other half is also getting letters, US issuing letters of support for outside entities in their grant request. And it's interesting because we have in where we might seek a letter of support within a day or two, but when outside entities contact us, and they say, Oh, can you guys letter support, we have to say sometimes, so we have to wait a little while longer, where it's at the discretion of the borough manager and the council president, if it's a project borough with with support, and the borough is not the is not submitting a competing grant in the same pot of money. And at the Bureau is not the source of that point that we would also be able to issue letters of support for the outside entities that are seeking to support us for their grant applications. So if it hits those criteria, we'd be saying, Oh, the Brandywine red clay Alliance, they were looking for a grant application letter support for their buffer restoration project. And so things like that, at the discretion of council president, it meets those three criteria, which instead, we'd be able to issue them letters or a lot more quickly and be a little more business friendly, and quick turnaround. So that's kind of the outline of the policy. How long are
these grants, such as short turnaround, this is the kind of problem
we have, we've had to in the last, you know, month or so I don't know how often but it is a good policy, just that in the event that we have the opportunity to strike that Chief was like lightning fast. I think we did it within like a day or two. But we also asked for letters of support from outside agencies, they gave it to us and then so for us to then give, ask for that and then not be able to return kind of return the favor when they're seeking funds. Also, you know, I mean, it's happened twice in the last month
or so understanding, you're giving him permission to be the advocate of the pre work and then come up with a retroactive your approval. Is that right? Yes. So you don't miss out on anything. And you're done going on and what we can do.
And to Mr. Thomas's point, ultimately, this is only to apply for grants, if we were to get a grant for whatever reason, and how to change his mind, you have to vote to accept it. So this is simply for us to you know, have a fighting chance to get funds in here. And then ultimately, the Council of parameters and doesn't want to accept a grant. That's your discretion, this just allows us to apply for it for it.
So we think that I mean, Mr. Edwards did raise that the once a month meeting could play a factor here, which I completely agree with that said, we also have grown consultant now we have a lot more opportunities, we're going to have a lot more grants that come in at different time periods. So I think it's going to be an issue regardless of when the council meetings are. And I think that the questions that we typically ask when grant applications come up are identified in this, this process. So I think that this covers it as far as retroactive. My only question is, and number two, under the application approval, the project or initiative, the grant is funded, it has already been approved by the council. And I just think been approved might be a little too narrow. Because let's say somebody becomes available for something that didn't get our radar yet, or we haven't gone through a strategic planning process. And and if it is free money, no match. What have you maybe haven't already identified as a priority, or and or approved just something so it's not as limiting as
we've formally
approved it. The second sentence, which probably better describing just, yeah, it just it identified. Right. All right. Why is anyone listening? So you can even just
have weekly Mr. Edwards question before have we ever missed an opportunity? Because we really interested in seeing on the second section, Sunny under retroactive Council letter support request approval. Similar to the President's comment, the first number one, the project or initiative. The grant is funding is a project to grow supports. How would we define that? And am I getting too much into the weeds? No.
Maybe if there's there's no competing interests and there's no no negative repercussion writing to the council or to the borough. I sat at the discretion of the borough president and so if the council president doesn't feel it's something that would be like for example, that break any wind workflow application, we do doesn't see any reason why the world wouldn't be support with that getting those funds. But we can tweak the language.
It's just I was just trying to understand the meaning of that. I think
the main objection the better word that the borrower has a word have objections to
enlarge the tracks that are coming to that we just talked about, which is if it comes out through either our strategic planning sessions, our capital, or our budget, so any project really should fall within one of those three categories. So it's pretty wide back into the three. Okay.
And just a question. There's 30 folks in the audience who have no clue what the heck we're talking about right now up, do you know what we're talking about, but haven't had an opportunity to see this? Is that possible? I mean, is there any reason other than reg is going to hang me as well as other folks? Could these be posted online prior to the meeting? Was that a Pandora's box that you can't do? Mr. solicitor? Maybe that's you might.
Since we didn't since we had to amend the agenda, I was under the impression that I couldn't put things on the agenda and put the documentation out there. Since we have not amended the agenda.
Gotcha. What are all the other documents?
Documents are out there? They're all online for everybody.
So just please know that all of the documents except the ones we added tonight, can you can click on them through the website is
that the same thing that you're looking at is what public can look at? Thank you. The only reason why it's an item would not go up to the public is if it was some particular sensitive nature, that our lawyer solicitor said, that's probably not somebody needed.
Especially so this particular item was supposed to be this term was posted.
Anything else with that
study? The only one I have is Ash on the back page after point three, that first sense the council will be made aware anytime this policy is enacted, would be making some sort of timeframe or method of letting letting us know whether it's within 24 hours of enacting this policy, something like that.
Thank you. Anything else? It sounds like we're gonna pull that from the consent.
Revision. Yeah.
Thanks. Thanks.
All right. final contract with Emeryville? cormar.
Sure. So this item is being brought back. Again, it's been through quite a few iterations. I think at this point, I'm hopeful that we can go ahead and finish this through that the terms are, from my understanding, pretty in line with what's normal for the market here. And Emory Hill has chosen to be our broker for this space during competitive bidding process. And I feel confident that as the broker and property management
classes are going up, you're ready. Hi,
I respectfully disagree. I think it's a bad contract. It went from one year to two years. I think the bees are are not very generous. I think that fees are tough. And we get charged an extra 2% when they have to bring another realtor in to make a deal. I just there's a lot of specifics that I just don't like. And that's the one opinion, you know, the council disagrees with even then, so be it. I mean, I can get into the specifics. But there are many of them that I think the terms aren't terrific. I would certainly value matter of taking a hard look at it, and maybe coming back on Wednesday. Since you know, that's your business, your profession as well. For others. That's what
that means that we had already discussed there was a fee put in there to them Lakbay, I thought we had been specific that prior so that they were not involved in those,
they're on the exempt transactions. There is that a
flat fee I put in there that I didn't think should be put in
there would be a fee for them developing the contract and putting them under contract. So instead of paying for our own legal fees, they would do that. So we have one common contract. What's the
percent of the time
I was thinking I mean, seeing that there's a handful on this exempt transaction list and hoping that some relationships won't work. I'm currently looking at it to the property management services. I think we are pretty nailed down. I'm uncomfortable with a lot of those.
But were you looking at both? Those as well?
I was Yeah. You know, I think the fees, you know, these are our 6%, first year 5%, second year 4%, third year 3%, for four through 10. And then 3%. For renewal, and they never really done anything for renewal. I know it's customary to ask for that. I just think it's, it's an awful lot of expense for, for what they're doing. And I can be dead wrong. I just, I think it's a really onerous contract,
sharing these six.
So in terms of the process from here, this is a policy question. So it's well within the purview of counsel, I recommend from a timing perspective that we put forward a recommendation, either tonight, or at the very least Wednesday, in terms of Emory Hill, I think, and I don't want to speak for you clay, but I think this is a pretty hard to find out where they are. And a lot of these terms, it's perfectly reasonable for counsel to say that these aren't acceptable. And then we're going to move on to negotiating with the second bidder in our process of caution, there's no guarantee that we get to the right terms with baggage free, but from a process perspective, you certainly have that option
was a percentage of the sale.
To be appropriate for me to I was gonna say if you want to
come up and either address Council answer questions a little.
First of all, thank you for the opportunity to be here to present this is my first first time one of these. My name is Clayton Hill I'm with and he's played a hell of a partner with Emory help people Delaware where I reside. So yes, so we initially had a bid, when I received comments back in which the fees were lower. And so I did, we did concede some of those points. I think there's really three elements that are worthy of conversation. The first would be exempted transactions. And yes, we did exclude the things I think were important. And that's, that's fair, because you You're far along in discussion tonight, we understand that that's one part of brokerage. The other part is, you know, bringing our 30 years of experience to the table to constantly or to create a document that will be the lease that would suit this property specifically. Rather than pay an attorney to do that we have tried and true pieces that we do wonder transactions a year, quote $100 billion a year, we have a dozen brokers. So we we know what that contract should look like. And as managers of this building, we know how the tenants should also how that you should construct the expense reimbursements as well. So I think that the middle of the fee, we have a there's a flat fee, it's really just our services after you, you've already identified that, that prospect.
So I do feel that it's fair.
The second point is the brokerage fees. So these are in my opinion, that went over, these are standard route relatively standard fees in in the industry. And when we when we receive these fees we split it with often we split it with another broker, however, often a broker, that is most tenants will come with a tenant rep broker, when they do often that tenant rep broker may be showing them a dozen properties. If 11 other properties offer a full fee, to that broker, the 6543 you see here. And this property does not offer that because our fee has to be in there as well. Then it puts it puts this building at a disadvantage, you'd be less likely to rent it because whether it's right or wrong, their tenant rent broker can say you can guide their tenant, you know, these other properties are very nice. And I personally going to pay your fee taking you there. So if there's no broker override, it really means that if if a tenant rep comes along and says my fee is a full fee, we get we get nothing. So all the marketing we're doing and negotiating we're doing which could take you know we don't know how long but it is a off the spermine office market, as we all know is It's a challenge market right now, who can't work for free. And we can't guarantee that a cooperating broker is not going to demand a full fee. And in my experience, most property owners right now who have office space are offering a full faith because they do not want to disincentivize brokers from bringing their tenants to that building. So absolutely, they have a hard line in an override fee, because that becomes our whole fee. And we think about the field of five year terms, it's a term 2% of that for all that work, but majority of the fee is going to a co broker, I think it's pretty simple. With all we did, you know, we did take out a real commission. So the concern with not having a real commission fake one, we're often negotiate in real terms upfront, so we are working for what those terms are. But also, sometimes a tenant will come in for a one year term. And they want to see if it works out for short term or short term. And then after one year, it works out great. And then they want a five year renewal. So if we're paying on a one year term with no real fee, we've done a lot of work to put a tenant in place temporarily for one year, and then they renew and maybe they're here for 10 years. So what I did was I tried to find a middle ground where we said, for the short term leases anything under six years, our goal was a tenure, tenure lease, if it's under six years, if there was a renewal, we would want to what we feel is the standard fee renewal fee in the marketplace. If it's longer than seven years, no fee or renewal, we understand that we think it's a good middle ground. So that we are, we don't do a lot of work for just a short period of time. We can't predict what the lease is gonna look like. It's what we negotiate at that time. So we just have to protect, we have to protect our time and our expertise. You know, we've been doing this for 30 years. And we do quite well, actually 4040 years old. I know it's so short. So I really feel that in the commercial real estate industry, these are market fees. Once we start working for less fees and getting less fees to a property broker, it makes us look bad as a broker. So we across the board, go with what we find to be the market. As far as a sale, we did, we reduced it. If there is no quote or we reduced it to five, we had a 5%. If there is a COBOL, we just made it 6% Because we're splitting it into three and three. Now, of course, we'd love to bring the tenant here with them, we certainly will do it, we have a lot of resources. And our partner in this opportunity is cardboard. And obviously Carver has a lot of experience. We're bringing to bear a lot of connections. So we are heavily incentivized to not have a co broker involved. But that's just the nature of the beast sometimes. And if you have more questions about the brokerage side that we could talk about,
so are you saying then that you're okay, with taking your commission as you've outlined here? For years, one through six? And your seven on would be zero?
If the if the term is one through six years, there will be no. Yeah, well, there will be no Yes, exactly. Because there'll be no renewal. I'm sorry, if there's one through six, there will be a renewal fee, which would be 3%. If they renew,
right, I thought you said or maybe let me ask Would you be okay with your fee structure for years one through six as you have it, but agreeing to no commission for years seven on?
So if we do a 10 year if we do a 10 year lease, it would be 65433
No, I'm saying 6543216. year your 7000? No, I
don't feel that that's standard in the industry. I mean, we want this a counseling mystery.
All right now, I agree that we want to, we want to create as long of a term as we can. And if you find that to your advantage, you know, we're aligned and interest to make as long term as possible. Not gonna be willing to do that out of our goodwill, but we want you know, we should align our incentives. So the longer we can make that lease and, you know, in this property bring you revenue, you know, we would want to have a fee commensurate with that term. I mean, I think what I would have encouraged is to, if you still if you truly find it above market somehow I'd like to convey you know, or get excited Animals are calm says to other buildings, it's a why this why this is common. That's why I feel it is. I mean, we really, really try to, you know, shoot straight down the middle and not not having sort of leads. It's not in our interest to do that, because of course, if we don't move forward, we don't do anything.
So I'm just one council person. So I'll take the advice of my my colleagues, I have probably 20 questions, which I'm happy to go through. Or we can have a separate phone call afterward. And we can take it off the consent agenda, whatever suits the fruit.
Well, first of all, questions, comments from anyone else right now at this time. So I mean, I think that if there's a phone call or two between interested parties, get some answers. We can have specifics as far as numbers on Wednesday night and get those ironed out. If it's a specific agenda. I don't I don't see anything wrong with just holding it off. I mean, you can get some questions answered. Now.
You go. You tell me I'm began. I'm one guy. So one person, so counsel will tell me, like down to.
More in your wheelhouse, so I appreciate it. Why don't we do this
Wednesday? Okay. Okay, specifically, because that will give
counselors one more couple more days to look at.
Can we have a conversation?
All right, can we absolutely. Okay. Thanks. So the last step was the property management fees. And we did lower that. So essentially, we we have a discounted fee. For the first what we had it for the first 12 months, we had asked for that to be indefinite, we extended it to 18 months. Again, it is a challenging office market, and we are going to have to work hard till these disability. So going back to the leasing fees, and I wouldn't underestimate how much work goes into them. On the property management side. Due to the market conditions, we don't want to offer a discounted fee in depth. We, we hire very, very seasoned, intelligent commercial property managers. So we have to pay them well. And we just want to make sure that we don't extend that extended lower feature. So we extended it out to 18 months. And reduce the setup fee 1500. There was a lot of work that goes into launching it. That's really the material things in here. And we can absolutely talk offline as well.
And we certainly recognize that this is making nothing for the borough right now. It's actually right, you know, so getting a feel professionally is in our best interest as well. Right?
Well, we would love to work with you. This is a gorgeous building. And you know, when I walked out the first time, we would love to manage it, we love it for granted, I think it has an excellent potential. And we have a lot of, you know, we have a construction division, a maintenance, division, brokerage and construction. And the reason we work so well is because we can bring our team through. And, you know, on on our time, we can bring our maintenance and construction through and come up with ideas as to why we how we put the best foot forward in the unoccupied space. You guys, we want to get that revenue in here. Well, we will work tirelessly, tirelessly to do that, I promise you that.
How many other properties of the property manager managing at the same time managing this.
So this particular one would have fibers in 75,000 square feet. The typical manager in my team has won a million 2,000,002 square feet. So I actually have a lighter load on this particular person. So we have six commercial property managers, we manage four and a half million square feet. But again, I don't have a heavy load on this individual. That's not to say they will manage some more opportunities come up. But we definitely don't. We're a lifestyle company. We don't push our managers too hard where they can't manage what they have, because it just doesn't. It's it's not to our benefit.
Now that he's stationed here, but that he's available to kind of be coming through
where he wouldn't be stationed at fidelity. That is right. That actually does live locally though. The, the way he comes to visibility often and we also have a maintenance division and part of this is an asset like this. You typically have a block of maintenance hours that somebody you'd also have a second set of eyes with that maintenance tech coming in, and just making sure everything is up to snuff and doing what they can during that time. They're kind of a jack of all trades. And then they work with that property manager to identify things that might need to be outsourced to other vendors. So we have a lot of eyes on it. Okay.
With that include the police department area, as well.
I'm sorry? Yes, yes. Oh, yeah. What's your guy's work.
There's a six month notice.
I'm always confident with any notice, because if we're not doing a good job, we should preface I'm you could make it 30 days notice as far as I'm concerned, and actually, it was a one year contract, and I didn't extend it to to your site, if I'm unhappy with work, it does take a lot of roof off. So at least like one to make sure we're breaking, you know, kind of breaking even. But if we're not doing a good job, you should have every right but we're going to exceed we're gonna see expectation. So the term is of no concern to me to be honest with you course, they can be month to month. Thank you, Mr.
Dolan. Appreciate it. You're welcome. Thank you. Alright, so moving on to the easement request for a portion of the municipal parking lot for the buyer of the old library.
Sure. So
there are a request came in from a potential buyer for the library. I understand you're here tonight. Appreciate that. I understand there's members of the public who aren't here for this item. So Rob, if you could, can you give us a sense of what the initial proposal was, and what a few of the options you inherited work through over the last week.
The initial proposal was that they, well, first, let's let's go back, they need to log in now. And in order for them to make sure that they have constant access to that loading dock, they would need to be able to go through our parking lot. So that's the reason for these, but we could say, you know, there is no easement. But then if we were to change the use of the park line, if we were to develop it, they wouldn't have access to their particular. Now, what they initially proposed was to go from church alley, between the parking area that's owned by the whole library, and our parking area to back up to the loading ramp. I did not support that. There were two things that two different options that Terry and I and Denise work for. The first one was to use their existing property on church alleys because there's enough room between church ality in the building to play learning area and, and that will be on their property. It was they wouldn't have to ask the bird or anything. And the other one was to go from Apple alley leave out valley the way it is right now. Whereas as you all said, where we're used to the bar, and we'll leave that all setting, the easement would be following the path from absoloutely. Up to the loading ramp, we would only use once one spot, but it will allow us to have maintained parking and near the parking on the South side of town. So we asked him to come in and talk about it and see see what we could figure out Yes, sir, go ahead.
Thank you. I didn't want to say that in season this proposed is to minimize paying no parking if possible. That is our goal. Instead, we just want to be able to get box trucks we're not doing 53 floaters, my twin Ray. These are Fox trucks. This is ruggedness furniture store, which is a high end. Amish furniture was an homage heirlooms. So it was a 12,000 square foot building. Obviously that size of a furniture store has to have a load. It's not something you can do off the street. So I'm sorry, John Burton from brokerage advisor.
So to that end, We were just looking to make sure we can ensure we can get those vehicles in and out. It can be we've talked about it, it could be a temporary easement just to survive as long as is gracious own the bill that could be extinguished at a later time in the future, if they sell they could work could take that space back. But rollovers won't be able to ensure our operations from a logistics point of view. And not us in part because we need that parking, it's what we want to keep that part, we feel that this will help the borough and the fact that this is going to be an upscale retail establishment, it is going to help the community is going to be run on the storefronts are going to put a significant investment into the library building, clean all the asbestos out, give it a new facelift, make it a nice shiny retail store for along State Street, I think it'll be a very welcoming and a great addition to that retail and will fit in perfectly with the restaurants, we would think it was a really like this location, we feel that it will benefit them that way your employment will bring employment and bring taxes will bring benefits.
So the two options, right that you presented as far as the west side of the existing library, where they wouldn't own it. It's there, right? They wouldn't have to do anything and have those come. I mean, we were given both those options. And we actually weren't what were the thoughts, but
we were there this afternoon before the meeting. And we're on site, the on that church at Lakeside, where you're talking about door, if you're familiar with entering the library, you enter in a split level and you're dead center. So having a loading area in the split level that's it doesn't really is a good use of unique things in that building. The architects looked at this in the survey and figured out where it is there's a lot there's a lower level door on that side closest to the post office. That's where it makes sense to put it because that would go right into the lower level. And that's where we knew the load up. That's that is we would love to keep it on our property and not have to stand here and ask for an easement of sorts, but that we looked up and down that church on the side, it's just doesn't
seem feasible. And then that second option, then, yeah, I
guess it just hit the ads, if we can make sure that our trucks in and out produces trucks can get it out. That really if it's if it is a solution to our problem, who were before.
What time of day the
trucks usually deliver.
I'm Michael garish and the owner, here's his furniture. Yes, first of all, I want to address your concerns. I don't want to lose a single parking spot either. And so I totally agree with the community as far as the importance of that parking area. That's why That's why the Our idea was you would basically we just want to ensure use of that wide driveway into those parking spots. We don't want to take up any parking spots or have anything to do with it. Typically, we would have one box truck there a week, probably in early morning it we we do most of our deliveries out of Glamis, Ville, Pennsylvania, and we currently would service this area as well from our Banda Seville hub as far as the delivery. So we would have a small amount of furniture that would arrive there at store for customer pickups, like maybe somebody bought football stores and didn't want a delivery service, they could go there and pick it up. So with that spot on the east, the east side of the building. That's where the customer holding for their furniture. So they bought four ball or stalls or bring the store truck is what they're going to bring it in it sit there in our back room and then the customer would backup in that same spot, pick up parcels and go. So that answer your question.
And customer
pickup. Yes, yeah, but But again, the Al if you look on that drill, and we do have room between our you know, our space and the property line, we do have some space between our parking spots, and the property line to access our parking spots. But to get a truck in here, we need a little bit more of a swing to drive to back down in there. So we just want to ensure that we would have that swing. Now it sounds like the committee is very adamant about keeping that parking lot. So it sounds like we always have that swing. But we're investing over a million dollars of renovations to this property and as well as purchasing your property. So we have a pretty sizable investment. And so we just we'd like to ensure that we have the ability to get our truck
right and time of day sometimes helps because it's not full of cars, but it is less likely to have an issue getting in there. Right now.
I mean, it sounds like based off of the drawings that we have, even if it is full of cars like except for the except the spots that would be on your property or would be on the old library building properties. If all the rest of the property that the borough owns was still full of cars, you would still have enough space
and doors running cut out, that parking lot could be completely booked. And as is, we could still get our trucks in there.
And if anything, if we if this easement were to be granted, it would just be something that would encourage the borough to keep it as a parking ticket as
a parking lot,
which is what the public wants.
So
will there be a truck parked there overnight? Or is that just for Netflix? It becomes maybe
never, but there would be no reason we the only reason that I can foresee that a truck would be there overnight, because if it broke down, which we have all brand new trucks. We tried to keep a new fleet so
and it sounds like you're predominantly pre planning for this location be like a showroom. Yeah, more than anything else.
Yes. Right. Yeah, we currently have four retail locations, three, Pennsylvania, one Baltimore, this will be our fifth.
So I just like to clarify that which options you speak about
I suppose the one proposed by buyer 2312 and proposed but we're talking
about two right now.
Well, that's that all one to one to clarify. This one my daughter will Bogard us was the idea that if you're loading or unloading, you're backing up behind parked vehicles, and you may be holding those vehicles there. Okay, there's the option to we actually measured often and by losing that one parking spot, you get a 20 foot writingleader Okay, so a truck can easily fit through 20 footers, and be able to swing because it's coming out of the hour. So I just want to make sure that we were clear as to which option we were talking about. Sure.
Thank you. And on option one can I ask is that viable for your business because that would be like the best option that my only concern is your truck is how's it going to go in and go out do you pull energy pull out you go off of State Street and reverse and
that would be because because the way everything's built out in the building with our with our customer holding spot in the back east corner so we've been crossed all that furniture will be crossing the entire store to get to the back holding center plus all the all everything would have to go downstairs we're like if we're doing the floor reset and have to go upstairs. We do not deal in G plus buy furniture we deal in very heavy durable we consider our furniture is if you have if you had an antique Road Show 100 years from now, it'd be our furniture that would be on we are fortunate last lifetimes and more so so it's not like carrying a cardboard box across the back it's it's some heavy lifting We need strong delivery guys so
it sounds like option one
yes
I see here I guess I'm just questioning again so so your your main issues that that these would block Park Lake are chock a block parked cars that were in there,
right if you if you look at the area that you were proposing, we have a row of bars there if you do have people loading or unloading then it is restricting the access
you know our truck would be like in the top North yellow spot right there there that's where loading or they could actually build it yeah, we're doing a ramp down through there so does he have our shows here can I show this
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back. And back is sort of a traffic state. It's not it's not a partisan
borders or word. These are two examples. Thank you for listening.
Does that does that help clarify? Is that would that alleviate your concerns? Or just? I'm not sure.
What what the benefits would be one or the other? Your proposal or our option two? Because it gets confusing spot?
Yeah, I mean, and don't get me wrong, I'm, I'm fine with option two. But it does take a parking spot away from the community, I don't want to take anything from the community over,
we're getting more of a straight access to you. Correct. I mean, it's called a straight from the alley right? Straight back is much easier for the people to navigate around the parking lot legally. And we're securities to the parking on the other side of the alley by by moving down the art. And which means that we lose a lot of people we gain how many parking spots. So we get we gained 10.
I don't think any citizen, loser one parking spot for food business.
But the one proposed by them, if we're understanding this correctly, isn't going to take away any parking.
Theoretically, theoretically, because they have to turn it simpler for me, Matthew and
John, John, please.
Please
have a couple of questions. So you're having you're you're creating a ramp to go down to the basement that the furniture and so you're, you know, split level you're going down anyway. Is there you're gonna have to bring furniture up as well. So are you playing elevated or MF CEO? That seems like a an argument that's not really there.
We are putting an elevator elevator in the building. Yes, we have to break reasons.
So where you're ramping might not be matter where the side of the building has already built in with up and down access. So you could go right down into the basement or go
up into snowboard you're hitting right in the middle of fuel if you go off of church
towers are there the stairs go down the
stairs go up exactly. So you'd hate you'd have to you'd have an incredible grade you could do either so
and and the majority of our of the furniture that moves in and out of that building isn't isn't for floor sets. Typically when we do four sets, they stay in there probably a year, at least a year. If they're great sellers, we keep them forever. But if they're but typically will our four sets lasts for at least a year. So the most of the movement of furniture would occur in customer pickup furniture weekly basis. So wouldn't be like taking photos every
day. Once a year was
the other end of the building on lower grade level so you're not going down that as far as