Brush Park Residential Parking Second Community Engagement Meeting
10:35PM Jan 11, +0000
Speakers:
President Sheffield
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I'd like an electronic copy of the presentation is available for registrants upon request by emailing MPD residential parking at Detroit mi.gov. At this point, let me introduce the Director of municipal parking. Mr. Keith Hutchings, Keith.
Thank you, Shawn. And welcome everyone. We're really excited to get a chance to finally present some of the work we've done to help mitigate some of the challenges that we have for the residents in the business operators. In the central brush Park neighborhood. Could you advance to the next slide, please? We're really excited to be here. We had a great meeting for the southern rush Park neighborhood. It was really exceptional. We got a lot of good feedback. The proposal was well received. We anticipate another great day tonight. We will walk you through the process we asked though. There's three different meetings, because each area has a little bit different needs. So we're asking if you you're welcome to attend. But if you have comments or questions and you're not in the central, residing in the central or doing business in the central business district, as we've defined it, Miss municipal parking is defined and we'd ask you to hold your comments until if you're in the northern business district that we asked you to hold your comments until tomorrow for that meeting. Otherwise we look forward to sharing with you and getting your feedback. I've done a lot of hard work. And the last night like I said was well received with anticipate this being received as well. So what our goals are in this proposal is to find a program that will provide residential parking relief, because it's been very challenging, especially in the central portion of the district. As you'll see when we look at occupancy studies. We also have to still maintain non residential entities operating in the brush Park area what we mean is businesses whether it's retail or office space, we still have to make sure that they're still able to function and operate we don't want to do something that would basically guarantee their they're not being able to park in brush park or be able to operate in brush Park rather. The third goal is this whole area we have to D incentivize non rush Park related parking. And by that what we mean is if you don't live there or you're not going to support a business there, we want to make it less attractive if you decide to come to park there. And that's the goals of this proposal to provide you as residents relief to support those business entities that are in the area so they can still maintain and thrive as a business and to make this a less attractive area. For people who are not coming to either visit you as residents or you as residents going to your own homes, or someone coming to support a business. We want to make it less attractive for them to be there. Next slide. So, just so you understand the approach. We first took time to look at the Austrian capacity for parking if you're a residential development, you had parking we looked at that to take that into account. We also took a detailed analysis of the on street parking capacity, how many spaces are available, and and what could the capacity be for off street parking. We then look into the detail on street parking usage study. We took several several days and with about five different times a day to get a good understanding of residential activity versus non residential activity and over a breadth of time so we can have a better understanding of what's happening in terms of parking behavior in the whole rush Park area. And we did that by by by having a pretty complex study which we'll talk about shortly. We also identified the residential and non residential parking activity in the area and those entities and we're not saying that we this is exhaustive that maybe there's one we missed or two we missed but we we tried to do a good job and make sure we understood that and I'm sure if we've missed something, one of you will let us know and we can add that to the list. After looking at those things, we then created a residential parking plan to reduce the pressure and that's what we're going to share with you tonight. Next slide please. So you're probably wondering why do we have three separate meetings? Why did we split it up instead of just talking about one brush Park? Well, when you when we finished tonight you'll notice that we have a lot of information just to share with you from the central part of it. But we split it up in three different neighborhoods, groups of neighborhoods because the needs were very different in each neighborhood in the southern brush Park, which was we looked at last night that was prime that's primarily a residential residential area with a little bit of business activity some hotel and Airbnb. activity, but heavy influence from Little Caesars arena and then the central brush Park neighborhoods which is who we're talking with you tonight. It's a mixed residential with retail office commercial, a very strong mix of of entities that are operating in there and you also have heavy LCA activity and of course, Comerica Park and the arena's and such, but then the northern brush Park District has mixed resident residential, retail, commercial, nonprofits, different types of organizations and government activity all in that area, and it's not as heavily impacted by the Little Caesars arena activity, but they do have much stronger activity coming from Wayne State and the DMC activity center. So they're very different and that's why we separated them the way we separated them. Next slide please.
So
the boundaries are in case you weren't certain. The boundaries are as follows. If you're looking at the map, and you see the haps back half of the Little Caesars arena, you locate your eye there and you go up to the first part of the red corner. You will notice Alfred, Alfred and Woodward so if you take the boundary starts there and goes on north on Woodward to Watson then Watson it goes east to John are and then there at that point it goes north again to Erskine comes back from John are down to Watson south down to Watson then travels east to on Watson to brush and then from rush itself to Alfred and then West again on Alfred to Woodward. That is the area that we're looking to talk to talk to you today about and that this plan will address. Next slide please. So there's a lot of information on this chart and we won't go into this on a point by point basis but so you understand on an outfit. The the makeup is of a lot of different residential units. Many of them have either some type of parking via the alley, or a lot or a detached garage or an attached garage. And while I don't know that that's suitable for two or three vehicles for vehicles or so, but it does provide some parking access which helps to mitigate some of the issues we have in the area. We have a strong commercial mix of a law firm, some bookkeeping, charge point and some of these may or may not still be there, but from the information we got saucy brew works which I'm sure you're all familiar with is a big retail venue. It looks like someone also has a photography studio studio. The brush Park bodega, and then Bondi construction are all in the Alford area. Next slide. On admin, we do see a little bit different mix. You do see some parking and there is still some development occurring. Some of the work is not complete there. There's access in some units, some mixture of units and have residential and some don't have residential parking and are off street parking. So it's a little bit of a mixed there. Yeah, the economical, economical Theological Seminary, which has a massive parking lot to submit significantly underutilized. And you have the ACL and Ace management on Woodward with a parking lot in the rear so their impact is very light light. But there also is a large commercial partner there on the Carlton, Detroit and the bar to Gao. I hope I pronounced that correctly. They have a lot surrounding the property and also a lot across the street for the bar. So while there are while there is activity there, there is some semblance of off street parking to help mitigate some some issues. Next slide, please. The last the next street Watson, that is a street that has again, not as many residential units, but some of them it's a mixture of a parking lot that might be across the street or detached garages to no parking. A lot of alley access was either detached garage parking or grass parking or or a stone parking, gravel parking there so it's a little bit less active off street parking on Watson. Again, you see the commercial entities as well, are much, much heavier in operation, but they are right now being serviced by some meters that are on the south portion of Watson.
Next slide.
So here we get to the occupancy study. Now this is a bit of an eye chart but it really helps to us to see what's happening and what you'll need to understand the way this chart is designed. First of all, you'll see time 7am 10am 12pm 5pm 7pm and 10pm. These are the times that we conducted occupancy studies. You'll also notice below that are events on specific days, that June 29 this summer 2020 to July, the first, the second, the third, the seventh, the 11th, the 14th and the 18th. On these particular days they were chosen because the events that were occurring, and we also made sure we at least had one day where there was no events so we could get a good understanding of what the activity looks like. There is a a to the far left bottom corner of the slide you'll see a a legend letting you know what the debt what the the initials mean for each venue that has events and you can understand where those events are at. So to understand what's happening with brush Park, all you'd have to do is take a color and that gives you the day and then you go across the time in a day to see if if you have a parking issue. Now why you see the 85% occupancy on red line is that is the line the threshold for us to consider looking at residential parking, according to the ordinance, and what you'll see here is in this instance on Alfre Street, we have a substantial parking problem, which we all already knew. But what it looks like is that crunch may not be just solely from events, because you see that even on non events, like for instance, on the 11th of July, which is the slide the slides and the green, the bars and the green, they're close to 85% even during non event days. And they're 85% or higher almost an every single day. So on Alfred Street, we have a serious, serious problem there. Now the other issue is we also need to support the retail activity that's there and there's substantial real retail activity that's coming in the next several months.
Next slide please.
On admin, we see it's not nearly as as drastic of a problem but it's still problem. events don't appear to be having as much of a a an effect on on admin as the street. But you still have retail entities that require on street parking. But we do see on admin, we are reaching a couple of days around seven o'clock and 10 o'clock, that we that we're reaching that 85% threshold and what this is showing us in those dates are we have baseball games to start at seven and then we also have a baseball game. That's it for but the Little Caesars arena has an event SummerSlam which is a big WWE wrestling event in those two events. You see the parking ramps up about an hour to two hours before the event. So what we're seeing here is we still have some issues not as severe as on Alfred, but Edmonds still has some some parking issues that we need to possibly look at
addressing. Next slide.
And again, this is not exhaustive. This took many, many months and hours of work to put this together. So I'm just giving you a cursory rundown of what we got. Now on Watson, which is interesting. We see we see a lot more problems with parking events clearance clearly are driving over parking in the area. We do have some retail entities that need to have some support. But what we're seeing here is primarily this is being driven through events so we knew we're you can see we're clearly over the 85% threshold on Watson. So this tells us that there's something we definitely need to do there. So we have a book in Watson and Alfred where there's heavy activity, not quite as bad on Edmund. Next slide, please. And then, of course, John R, which is the southern portion of those three streets that we're looking at. And what you'll see at John R is we don't see any real issues when we did the study occupancy usage occupancy study, we didn't see any not one time where we had to 85% threshold, which is a good thing. What this is telling us is that events are not necessarily affecting the area. We're all below 85% On every time we measured. There are some retail, commercial and retail commercial entities that require parking support, meaning on street parking to thrive. But we also believe that some residents may still need some type of support because most likely some of those residents even though they have considerable parking within their structures may need to have some level of parking and most likely to parking on the street. Anyway. Next slide. So, what I wanted to do before we got into our our our proposal is I wanted to we got this from the brush Park CDC, all actually a couple years before we actually had a residential parking ordinance and this was what their this their their recommendation and their desire was and you'll notice the focus areas in black dotted square around the area we're talking about tonight. And if you look at the the arrow pointing to that portion of the chart, you'll see that first dotted line and the red that is what brush Park the brush Park CDC was suggesting is meter parking. That's Woodward. We absolutely do have meters meters on that street. You'll notice that the next red street to the to the top of the the area that is Watson and the CDC is suggesting we have meters we already have meters in that area. So that's consistent. You'll notice that there's a red dot down the middle which is John are and on some of those areas. We have meters further north outside the area but there's no meters there now. And then you'll look at Watson on the north north east of John R and you'll see this suggestion is to make that a residential parking zone. And then you look in Edmond to the south and to the north of Woodward, to the east and to the west of John are. The suggestion was to make that a residential parking zone and then Alfred both to the west and to the east of John R. There was also the suggestion to make the brush you'll see there from Watson all the way from Mac down to to the Fisher service drive a meter parking area that is not feasible because the road is too narrow for that type of traffic with the exception of one section which in discussions with the Department of Public Works they are going to take a section and make parking available on the west side of the street which means it will it will buttress the that the the residential developments there on Edmond and on Alfred so you we will include that in what we will plan for residential parking. And now let's get to what we are what we have planned and are suggesting that we we create to solve this as the most complex, challenging area in rush park because of the diversity of residential activity and business activity, and we think we have a good plan that will help to address this next slide please. So again, this is going to be a bit of an eye chart, but just bear with me I'll walk you through it. So what you'll see is there are multiple zones and I'll explain to you why we have those zones as we go through. We will not we will not present a single zone for everybody because if we while we saw it what we know is just like the just like the outside activity from Little Caesars arena or Wayne State or any other those other large entities in making any major impact. Having a single zone could cause a significant impact from residents. By residents for instance on Alford could overrun residents on admin or or on on Watson. So, the goal was to make sure we have adequate parking as close to as possible and make sure that everybody can utilize their space and not have it'd be abused. By either each other as residents or somebody outside of Rush cart. So let's start with the zones. And it may be a little hard to see but I will try to do my best to work through it. So to the bottom of the of the chart, you'll see two zones in purple which is which is Alfred and you'll see for 15
It's not Alfred scheme is Adelaide. That's for 15. That's not necessarily that's technically not in your zone, but after some discussions we started with may or last night we made some minor changes. And we're just changing that zone to have a total of three streets those streets on Adelaide and you see there north and south on Adelaide, as well as the street on John are from alpha to Adelaide and that's not necessarily that has nothing to do with your zone. We just made some changes. So we just wanted to learn in case anybody's listening from yesterday's meeting based off in the feedback. Now the first zones that begin to impact you. You'll see near Woodward at the bottom you'll see a 416 and a 417. Now those would be residential parking zones. And what those zones are designed to do is to residents on woods on Woodward who are living in those those townhouses they have attached parking. So they do have some parking, but they have no other parking meter parking in front of them. This would give them a few spaces, so if they have guests coming over, they could actually park it with one of their visitors pass. It's not a large huge space but it does provide some spaces that only they would be able to park in. Then across the street you'll see zone 417 There is a single family residential unit that has no parking. So obviously if we're going to control the area, we have to do something for them. And so we create a small zone one or two spaces, and that would be for that particular house. Now the rest of the block has residential and retail and a law firm. The law firm has access to itself from an alleyway so we would put meters there to support the retail activity that's existing right now it's free parking, and that's why it's being abused especially during school years. By Wayne State students. So we need to do some things to begin to discourage people from simply wanting to park there because it's free parking and stay there all day. The meters will cause people to turn which will support businesses like sauce and glue works and things like that. So that's why the meters will be there. Now you'll notice on John R is read all the way on the east side of the street because it's narrow. There's only parking on one side of the street. When we look at Alfred, what we have created and that's the first zone is relevant to your your area and this for this group is zoned for 18 yard a notice on the south side our for offer. You'll notice there's also green blocks around each of the retail areas that we're talking about being a part of a zone so that helps you to identify where you would be find a zone. Now so what we would do is create that zone for 18. That would run the breadth of Alfred from John are to brush and now that we have some additional parking that DPW is going to bring online we would add to that parking from brush some Alfred all the way to Adelaide, that would be that will be the zone for those particular areas. And then we look across the street to zone number 419. You'll see the green box there just for that set of houses. They would have the same situation where we would then provide access on all of our fruit and then all of brush street would be would have access to their to that zone. And that zone wouldn't be that zone alone. And then on Watson, we would both sides of the street and have access to both sides of the street on Watson and you'll and you'll look at each particular area. There's a green box around the the residential units that are being arrows pointing to where those units will be assigned to park. The black boxes are just highlighting the off street parking that's existing in the area. Now obviously we did not do that for all the residential units that have attached and detached garages gets it become too much my chart, but we just wanted to help you understand what we're doing there. Then he was also creating two separate zones. Wow. And remember when John are when I was explaining that we really don't seem to have much of a parking issue there. But we still need support for retail and we need to make sure that residents do not have to pay to park in those areas. So that's why we've created two separate areas. One is for 22 one is for 23 and those would be residential parking areas for them to park in. Now. I want to just alert you to something if you see a residential parking area in blue that is a sign only residential parking area. All the areas I've identified that are purple, those would be metered zones. And why this part of central brush Park is different than the other parts is you have such a heavy mix of retail space that's already being used or about to come online in the next two to three year in the next six to eight months. So we have to then find a way to support them. While we still find a way to make sure that you have a reasonable opportunity to park and data can we see your hands and we will and when we come to the question part of the presentation. You'll be the first to be called on Thank you. So what you'll see and I'm going to walk you through that what you'll see is what those zones will look like. This will allow us to both support the residents and having some relief from parking woes. Keep people who are not living or going to a business out of brush Park and also allow those businesses to still be able to survive and thrive in rush Park, which makes it such a unique neighborhood. Next slide. So just to sum up the rationale, we have created a plan that would have residents have protected protected parking on most of them most of the time, except between 6pm There'll be protected parking from 6pm till 7am. Now this is the widest time we have smallest time is protected parking, but that's because of the retail activities in your area. We tried to give them the widest amount. Normally we wouldn't let it go to 6pm. But in this instance, if we shut it off at four and five, that would severely impact a lot of entities that are operating and rely strictly on residential parking. So while that is a little bit more of an impact and what we ideally want, we have suggested and this is what we do to support those businesses. This will be Alfred admin and Watson would all have additional parking like I mentioned on Brush, brush Park in which will what you'll see is when we eliminate people from parking in here because they're looking to park for free and an event and then we keep people in their particular area. The parking crash we have you'll see you'll begin to see that go down and go away. The other brush Park residents in the area whether southern brush park or Northern brush Park will not be able to cause even more congestion by parking those areas because it will only be assigned to those those residents who live in that area. The retail entities still are able to to function with the introduction of meters to this area and that's why meters are such a heavy focus in this particular area. Because we have such heavy retail area that we need to have turns no one will be able to pay for more than two hours. And they won't even be able to pay on the app or on the meter between the period of 6pm to 8am The next morning so they want to be able to park in there only residents can park in that area. Now the non southern again non southern brush Park People meaning you're de incentivizing the reason to come there so if you don't have a residence permit or or if you don't, I'm not going to business and you're not paying a meter then we're making making this less attractive. One of the things that we know is not in this not recording to study is it parking activities coming from the students at Wayne State University. When we put meters in those areas, those students tend to stop parking in the area. That's one of the reasons why we're doing this and when they park in area, they stay there all day long. So the meters will help to produce the turns that those businesses need.
Next slide.
So the signage will look similar what we've tried to do is make sure we don't do something as drastically different. Everybody is now used to our parking signs. So you will see a sign saying zone and it will have your zone number. It'll have residential parking on it, and your data will alert you or the people who you give guests passes to or whoever is assigned to be able to park in that area that alerting you to your zone and you'll know you're in the right zone. Now for those who don't have a permit and will be able to park this there'll be a sign below telling them that they can park there 9am to 4pm and this is only in those two zones right on Alfred, which were right next to Woodward that we talked about. Those are the only sign only residential parking zones.
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Now zone 415 This again this is not really germane to your area. This is something we're proposing. And we're gonna take it back to southern brush Park, CDC, the people in the southern brush park before we presented City Council just to get their feedback, but we're creating a zone for them. So next slide
now for zones for
18 for 19 for 20 and for 21 which is Alfred Edmond Watson and brushes tied to both Edmund and Alfred. We will have the signage will look like this. You'll see the meters here. If you have a permit you park 24 hours a day you never pay the meter whatsoever because your all your license plate will already be in the system. Now if you don't have a permit, you will be allowed to pay to park excuse it from 7am to 6pm. But you must either pay the meter or the app and you will not be able to pay for more than two hours at a time. Now one of the things we'll see where we are going we know we're going to do is we're going to recommend a two vehicles per permit are allowed to register. There's just you have off street parking in most of these facilities. The ordinance costs are 30 annual visitors passes and some people said why can't we have more passes? Well, we we did a detailed study and this this ordinance was was brought together and I think come on and Jeffrey from legislative policy is on the line and also I thought I saw that um, council president. Council president. Gosh, I'm flagging here Forgive me council president council president Sheffield is is on the line she was if she's not we'll give her a chance. She will give her a chance to talk afterwards. But we worked with legislative policy council president Sheffield former council member Castaneda Lopez, as well as the Law Department, Department of Public Works and the the zoning board. We work to develop a residential parking on Plan ordinance that would give us a lot of flexibility for specific issues just like what you're seeing here. And then one of the things that came about is we did a deep dive and working on all the ordinances across the United States. And when we came we came down to annual passes. This wasn't the lowest amount of annual passes. This is about the medium amount. And there was one entity that we thought it would do a lot of different things that was Washington DC. And what we saw was they ended up backing their passes back down because it gave too many guests passes and then it makes the program non effective. So 30 is the amount that we all agreed upon was probably the best case scenario. We looked at national numbers and this allows you if we give you more you can then abuse it by selling nose. So at 30 years, you're a little bit more expeditious with how you use that. You also get it potentially up to three caregiver passes. This is something unique to our residential program that doesn't exist in any municipality anywhere else in the United States. And what this really means is, let's say you're a senior let's say I'm a senior, and I need I want my my child to come check on me I can put it there. There's a form you fill out. You put the information in, we would then approve it and for the life of time that your permit is active for that year. Their license plate would be in there and they could come and park or free of charge without being enforced. Then say you have someone who comes and check on you for to make to make sure you're you know you're getting your meds and all that stuff. You put their license plate in there and that allows them to park again and you might have someone who's maybe coming in cooking and cleaning. It put their license plate and naked parking there. If you're a property owner you might have couple your your your your utility people who regularly go in and put their passes in. And if you're a property owner, you can get what is called a property owner residential permit which allows you to to visit your area. Then there's also this is another unique function. We have a car rental pass function that let's say you God forbid have an accident. Friday night at seven o'clock. Well we're closer there's nothing we can do about that. With our system you can simply take one of your visitors pass is converted to a rental pass, upload your your rental agreement, and you will be able to park without being enforced and we will come in let's say Monday morning. Look at that if that return if that rental agreement is the same name holder of the permit holder. Then we will credit your your visitor's pass back and you'll park for free. So those are some of the unique functions we have with this next slide. The last two zones which you saw an admin on John are where there really is no need for parking, but there is a need for turns and and these people don't have any protected parking now but we thought they probably still are using the space we adding meters which would allow people to park at anytime there's no time restriction. They could park at any time, but they must pay the meter or pay the app. But this also allows for residents to be able to park in the area without having to pay right now. They're already parking in the area if they are and people are already parking there if they're not residents, and there's no control over this would help to control it a little bit and and still allow for residents not to have to pay for a meter so understand in any residential zone where there's a meter, no one who has a permit will ever need to pay for a meter.
Okay, next slide.
Once this is activated, what you would do to get your permit to sign up for a permit. You will go to the park detroit.us website and you'll see the tab that we on your far at the top of the page on your far right. You click on residential parking, and it's a really simple step by step process. You upload the information. We then review it if you're eligible, we then would approve it. We use it for payment you pay for it, and then it'd be active. And that's how we'll work. Next, Next Next. Next slide please. So we've come to depart now I've been talking for about 30 minutes or so. We've come to the part we want to open this up for comments or questions. Again, we asked her, you'll be given one minute. And if you're not part of this neighborhood, we'd ask you to keep your comments to the meeting that's occurring, because we don't want to take away from the residents who want to ask questions or provide comments.
gonna unmute one minute to your comments.
Oh, my name is Donovan. I'm a resident 236 Adelaide that zone for 15 also a member of the brush Park CDC. I wanted to speak briefly on behalf of some of the residents in the central district but also on the changes that were made since yesterday. The first first zone for 15 Yesterday you had it as blue and today you have it as metered parking, residential meter and I don't understand that because Adelaide has the highest density of residents in all rush park that have zero Park and animal has 50 apartments with zero parking. The John Arne has 35 was zero park and you have them listed having the gravel lot behind them. But that's actually illegal Park and that's PDD property that they're parking on. So they have zero illegal parking. And then my house as was pointed out yesterday at 236 Adelaide has zero parking. We're completely reliant on street parking. So I don't understand why it was switched to residential meatal as opposed to residential.
Yeah, that's a great question. Donovan. And I appreciate the answer. That's why we are giving the whole street two parking. So the reason why it's now metered is we added a street on John are between Adelaide and Alfred and but that need that needs to support some of the retail activities happening in the area. So the only way to do this in the zone, so it's not confusing for you, or for anybody else named get get a get a ticket. We made it all the same. It doesn't affect you at all. You still absolutely don't have to pay the meter. But for those people who paid a meter, you park it you you paid a meter and and you do it but not just on John R, which you would do it there. Now it was going to be the same time in terms of people being able to park when it was just sign only. So the time hasn't changed is just that to for for logistics sake. It's not feasible to have that zone expand and have meters in that zone and not extend them to 415. So nothing's changed in terms of what you'll be able to do. It's just because we expanded it and it's a portion these meters. We added the meters there.
So I'm going to ask you to unmute. You have one minute for your comment.
All right. Hi, everyone. My name is Patricia. I'm the Community Liaison for councilmember Gabriella Romero. I only have one question, which is once this process is voted on, and it's possibly been gone through maybe a year in maybe two years in Is there a plan to revisit if it does not work if the residents do not particularly like
it? So the ordinance does call does allow municipal parking to revisit but I just want to just get everybody's expectations kind of probably where right sizing. We're not going to look at zones on a you know a regularity or regular situation if it doesn't work, then we would look at this. One of the things I think we also have to understand is municipal parking is being asked to try to solve a problem that existed before anybody moved in. Right so we have all this density of people and there's only so much park so we can't create parking where it doesn't exist. While we're what we're trying to do is with the parking that exist, and this is public right away. This is not private property. We're trying to do some things that will reduce the pressure and at least make this a manageable situation and I would say that no one has any any idea of what would work totally because we haven't seen a situation before. And of course, if we see that it's just not working. We'll do a study and if we need to make changes, we will make changes but we're not going to probably I don't want to make sure we don't have expectations. And every three months we're looking at doing something different. This was a massive amount of work, massive study, which we're happy to do to try to provide some some relief to the city residents of brush park, but this is not something that you do every couple of months.
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Hi, yes, this is Dawn Butler 2814 John our street kind of a three part question want to understand why we are losing the parking on John or that does exist now between Alfred and Edmund. And then how was that? Or what will be the accommodations for the new code of development? That's at the northwest corner of John R and Alfred and then Ken, can you explain which permit holders can park where? So for instance, for 18 permit holders, can they only Park in for 18? Or can they park in any of the 400 zones if they're residential parking permit holders just trying to understand that
yeah, um, before you're I'm not certain you're we're not taking away parking from anybody on John are. If parking is being taken away, then that must be that it's being removed from John arbor. We're not removing parking from anybody. You'd be able to the same parking exists now you still could park in there as it relates to the numbers No, the numbers are designed to allow people to park in the specific areas with which they reside. For instance, those in Adelaide if we said we just made one zone, they could inundate and overwhelm the neighbors on Edmond and neighbors on lots and our neighbors on John are so what we also have seen that in some instances, even people who have garages don't use those garages, they park on the street. So this would this would just basically reinforce the efficient use of parking. And it would help to eliminate the challenges by no longer allowing people who are coming to games who don't live in a neighborhood to park in a neighborhood so your parking will be drastically reduced in a neighborhood. And we feel pretty confident with this plan that we'll see substantial improvement for parking occupancy and the feeling of of enjoyment of living in the area now.
Mike, I'm gonna ask you to unmute you have one minute for your comment or question. Hello, Mike Okay, we'll go to the next person. Fellas. I'm gonna ask you to um, you
would not let me unmute if I muted No. Yes. Oh, sorry. I apologize. My guests Ian here resident at 3100 Woodward. I live above the great ghost on Watson. Thank you so much for the thoughtful consideration and presenting this plan today. I know. You're aware that the CDC has been advocating for some relief for the community in the parking situation for a while now a couple of questions here and I'll go through them quickly. For those areas that are metered what is the sounds like a max meter session is two hours. Is there an option in the app for that? Two hours to be extended? And then also what happens for enforcement on Sundays when the meters are generally offline and not enforced? And then do you have a total of how many spaces are available on street? Thank you very much. Appreciate it. And I'm going to take some time to digest all the information here but Thanks for Thanks for all the compliments put into this presentation.
My pleasure might come. Yes, you can just like any other meter or any other or the app, you can extend time, but we will not allow you to purchase more than two hours at a time because we don't want to encourage somebody to go to Little Caesars in the game and just get four hours. We want to make this completely inconvenient for you to park there. So that you now are looking at other options along with the enforcement. So you can extend but just like you could with any app but you cannot purchase more than two hours. Sunday enforcement we will be enforcing once residential parking occurs. We will be enforcing seven days a week and the reason we're enforcing seven days a week is to provide coverage for residential parking but it won't just be for residential parking will enforce everything. The meters won't be on as you as you mentioned, but you still will not be able to park in areas if you don't have a permit. So we still will enforce seven days a week regardless of of whether it's a Sunday, we'll be enforcing obviously we wouldn't enforce on a holiday. The third question I think you had was total number of spaces. We do have that. It's pretty granular. This was a massive undertaking, but we can talk about that offline. What I'll do is So Tina, can you send him to the break room to the breakout room with Sean and Sean get his contact information please. Thank you Mike.
Doesn't have to unmute. You have one minute for your question.
Good evening. My name is Henry William, and I'm gonna fill this phone and we live in. We're hosting a meeting here at 124. Alfred with some of the residents who have concerns about the parking. Now I heard you mentioned about the congestion here on Alfred Street. Now 124 This is a senior occupied building. We do have people with disabilities handicaps you know limited mobility that do have caregivers. Now when is this suppose to go online when we can get some relief from the parking because we have many residents here that have got numerous tickets, cars, towed, booted, et cetera. And we are greatly affected when we had the event at Little Caesars, the Mike Ilitch school and what happened. And you were talking about a cost for the registration what would be the cost be to the residents and When is this gonna come online?
All good questions, Henry. I appreciate your question. So the process we've actually completed two areas of residential parking already one in Cass Park, the other on on Selden. One has already been submitted. We're waiting for city council to hear the second we'll go to them shortly. Once the law department finishes writing there, the resolution for submission. We hope depending on you know, the feedback we get we think we're not going to have to make a lot of changes because we do feel pretty comfortable about what we have and we think you'll once you understand all everything you'll you'll be comfortable might have to make some tweaks. Once those tweaks are made. We would then submit it to the law department so they can create a resolution. The resolution is what's necessary for it to go to city council for city council to consider it. This is just a community engagement. This is not a public meeting. The public meeting occur will occur when it goes to City Council, and the City Clerk's Office will notice it just like they did this one. And we'll do everything we can to make sure everybody hears the City Council will communicate it to and we will set up them just like this. We won't have one for all three areas. We'll have one for each area because of the complexity that we're talking about. Now once that goes through to city council, and obviously once we submitted, they they will choose when it hits their agenda, so I can't give you a specific date about that. When when it goes to city council when they hear it. They have the choice to approve it that day. Or they can do it for 10 days. And if they don't do anything in 30 days, the ordinance says it automatically goes into effect and once it goes into effect, we can then begin programming and putting up signage. And then we would then let you know it's ready. He would sign up for it. And I believe there is a it's either a freak forget my mind is a little feeble these days either 60 or 90 days that once we establish the zone and make it so you can begin to use it. If you don't get 50% of participation then we'll will abolish the zone. So I hope that answers your question. Mr. William.
Okay. Donavan but I ask you some You have one minute for your question or comment.
Is Donovan continuing from earlier with the blue residential areas? It's not clear in the presentation as to what times those are in fact, if it's 24 hours if you want to answer that real quick, I'll have my follow up question.
Yeah, so residential is 24 hours you can park there and 24 hours a day if it's protected. Now it'll be from nine to four.
Okay, so it's not wrong in the areas it's not a free for all from nine to 4pm so event traffic can park there
from 5pm until 9am Only people will be able to park there. It's either nine or 4pm Forgive me I've looked at a lot of zones. It stopped it's only people will be able to park there in the evenings will be residents. Residents can park there 24 hours a day. The public can be able to park in that small window
at the bottom. I'm going to ask you to unmute
before we hold before the no starting time yet. Donovan there. There's really no difference for a residence whether you have a metered zone or a sign zone. It's the same functions the same for you the only difference is for the public and for the for the businesses that are in the area. They d
Butler again just clarification and it's difficult without having the actual presentation in front of me. But when we first looked at presentation it looked like the west side of John are south of Edmond and north of Alfred which currently is available for parking that that was now showing as no parking. And just to just to clarify if that is indeed a change.
No it's not a change. If you go back and look on the sign say no standing, which means you can't park there. And even in our occupancy study at first I was like why do we have so few cars parked there and then went back and check because it says a snow standing. So if you're parking near your parking there legally and you've been getting away with it because we haven't been in the neighborhood that much but once this happens, and we're in actively enforcing. If you park in a no standing zone you'll start to receive tickets on a daily basis. So that's why it's not it's never been available. There if we're talking about the same area is there's no standing signs on that side of the street. That's what's going on there. Okay, Jay,
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Hello, my name is Johnny Harris. I reside at 2646 John are the character of the city modern. I think my parking area is for 18 Regarding metered residential parking, what what type of enforcement are you guys planning for non residents when they parked on a a metered? residential parking zone outside of their allotted timeframes? Is the enforcement a simple ticket or would the enforcement be tolling since it's residential only at a certain timeframe?
Great question and will not be towing. But we will we will write tickets like we do and we will refine this after ticket or two people don't park there anymore. The reason why this is such a problem and as the area has such an abundance of free parking, it's a magnet for everybody around and this will reduce that that and make it inconvenient. Then you'll you'll drastically see the parking occupancy go down so this is a livable community for
you. Haley, I'm gonna ask you to unmute you have one minute for your question or comment.
I'm Kaylee I live on Alfred Street. And I'm hoping to get some clarification around the residential parking in the process. If we have two cars, and we're alternating who's on the street, or both of our cars registered to be on the street and how does that work? And then my second question is around the two hour clarification on the app. If if you're if the app restricts you from parking in that area again, I do agree that that's a deterrent. But I disagree that if you just have to enter your zoning and repurchase your parking that is not a deterrent from having people parked there for only two hours. I do that frequently in other areas. And so I just want to iterate that if that's what's happening. I don't agree that that's a
deterrent. Thank you Kaylee.
I'm trying to make sure I did both here. Gosh, Kaylee, I forgot your first part of your question. I meant to write it down. If you put your hand back up again. I'll get that. It is a deterrent. It's been a turn most of the time but what you're asking us to do is basically keep somebody from parking in the hole part of a zone and that's not what the ordinance proposes to anywhere but you will find it to be a deterrent. And we found this a will it will greatly reduce the number of parking and remember, you can only park on a meter in areas in the times that we say you can park after that you cannot park in those meters. Looks like I got doniphon coming around a third time.
Yes, go ahead. Donovan. One minute.
All right. The reason I spot the times is the data set that you use, I don't think accurately captures the daytime events. We have close to 60 Daytime events. In 2023 alone there'll be 35 Tigers games that started one in addition to all the lions games and then about a dozen red wings. And pistons games. So starting the at 4pm I think doesn't capture everything. That still puts a burden on residents for 50 to 60 days per year. So I think that needs to be looked at. It may be moving the time to noon or something for that, but just wanted to point out that there's a lot of day times that was missed in your data sets.
So I'm not certain that I understand that because we took times at 7am 10am 12pm 5pm 7pm and 10pm on all those given days. So we tried to make sure we had a pretty good representation of the day. But if you have something you want to send us an email you have you want us to look at something different. can't make any promises because we're trying to get this completed so we can get some some some relief to you. But please send it to us.
Haley, I'm gonna unmute you have one minute.
I'm just repeating my question. Again. My question is around whether or not my car if we have two cars alternating what is parked on the street, which car can be used and I think that Donovan brought up a great point about the day games. If you can park all day for two hours at a time. We've got Parkers from nine to four during day events.
So you if you whatever cars you register, they can park on the street. But I guess what I would encourage because we have witnesses I would encourage you as as as neighbors if you have off street parking, use that off street parking, because we're seeing neighbors that aren't using it. And that's more of a hard burden on those of you who don't have off street parking. But whatever the two cars you register can be on the street. That's the purpose of making sure those are registered for you. Thank you, Kaylee.
Okay, Jay, I'm gonna ask you to um, you have one minute for your question or comment.
Real quick again, one question. What is the the parking time allotted for non residents on residential meter Park and again what is that time
is different depending on where you're at, in the in the zones where you have heavy retail area, which would be Alfred admin and Watson. I think we said from 8am to 6pm. And remember I said 6pm is a lot later and what we want but if we make it shorter than that, and that's really challenging to a retail location, so it will be 8am or no 7am I'm sorry, 7am until until 6pm. That's so if you're coming in for a coffee or something you're getting there early in the morning, an office or something at 6pm After that you cannot park the meters anymore. And that's what I see as kind of gone, lost gotten lost in the translation, regardless of whether it's a sign or not, regardless of whether it's a meter. It functions the same way for the residents at a certain point, no one who doesn't have a permit can park on the street. Alright, so whatever that so one area is nine to five and other areas seven to six. And then I think that was what was one of the two areas I want to also come back to Mr. Williams, Henry Williams. He asked about costs and I forgot to answer that. So the ordinance sets the costs at $60 annually for a permit and $30 for seniors and $30. For those who are income exempt. If you're a senior all you got to do when you put your license and stuff in there, it will automatically give you the discount if your age is there. If your income exempt we don't decide that the city department is that determines income exemption status they decide that there's a one time fee of $40 administration fee everybody pays the same fee. If you move your zone you move from one zone to another zone within the year that you're having your year. Your zone is functional. Your permit is functional. It's a $20 administrative fee.
And that costs also for for property owners that cost a $60 permit that allows property owners to be able to visit their property if they're renting. So it looks like we don't have any additional questions or comments. We were taking notes of everything you said. We really appreciate it. We worked really really hard to try to figure out this puzzle. Looks like Phil we have one more comment.
I'm gonna ask you to unmute I believe that's Henry. One minute.
Okay. Again regarding what 24 Alfred, you know, we're still being impacted with all this traffic over here. And I'm primarily speaking for the residents, the seniors here is there gonna be some kind of moratorium on this ticket situation because we've had people cars towed numerous tickets, and I'm speaking for residents only, you know, can we get some kind of relief because they said we're being bombarded with all this traffic and you know as you speak a retail there's not much retail here on now.
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saucy can't pay in the bodega. Further east on Alfred. You know, I see you making accommodations for those. But, you know, I'm primarily concerned about the senior citizens that live here in this building. And I you gotta make any anything for handicap parking for the seniors
Yeah, so as it relates to parking tickets. Understand if you want us to fix it, we have to enforce so if you don't park illegally, you won't get a ticket. That's a That's a promise. Now if DPD tickets you they operate separately. I'm sure they're not going to ticket you if you don't park illegally so we can avoid the parking tickets. If we don't park illegally. And there's not gonna be a moratorium. In fact, you'll start to see more activity because we'll have to try to keep people out of your area. So we haven't been there much. If it was towing, it wasn't municipal parking. So I can't really speak to towing and we don't do much ticketing in rush Park. But you know, if there if there's, if you park illegally, you will get a ticket. That's just that's the way we enforce everybody. The same way as it relates to handicap parking. There is no such thing as handicap parking for seniors but if you require our you desire to have a handicap sign placed in there it won't be your senior parking it'll be handicap for anybody who has a handicap placard or has a handicap plate. You can petition the Department of Public Works they're actually the group that's responsible for that, if we know about it if you want to send an email to us, or I'll ask the tenant to send you over to the to the breakout room and shot to get your contact information. If we know where you want it. We can talk to the Department of Public Works about putting some handicap signs out there for you. Okay, thank you.
Okay, Ingrid, I'm going to ask you to unmute you have one minute for your comment or question. Hello, England.
Hi there. I'm wondering if this PowerPoint might be made available to the citizens CDC I think it's called to their website and also if there's a brochure of any sort that defines the Baris cat various categories of parking the different colored circles and lines and stuff like that. There's that available or can it be made available?
Now thank you and Greg, we appreciate you. Sharing, getting on with us and hearing the presentation. It absolutely is available. And we will forward a copy this to the CDC but if you want to request one directly, just send an email to MPD at the bottom, you'll see MPD residential parking at Detroit mi.gov. But it's in the presentation. It was there earlier but we will be sending this out to the CDC and all the stuff you requested is in that presentation. There's a legend that explains what the colors mean what each thing means. So we want to be we're always gonna be 100% transparent in municipal parking to try to make sure you understand. We really worked hard because we recognize the burden. We know a lot of people there we know personally, are suffering. And obviously we want to try to do a weekend with the with the with the I guess, authority we have which is not much, but the authority we have. We want to try to design something that will make your lives much better. So thank you. Looks like we have J again.
Okay, I'm gonna ask you, Tom, you have one minute for your comment or question.
Yes, thank you. So quickly again. So if we're paying $6 annually, right, and let's say for instance, we get home at 8pm. And let's say 15 of the resident gets get residents gets home at 8pm. However, the system allowed non residents to park there, let's say at 6pm and they're still parked there but they're only getting tickets and from their their cars and want to stay in there until the game is over with however we don't have anywhere to park because their cars parked there. And if you're not towing, I'm trying to understand how would that benefit the residents that we still have nowhere to park
so the police the police may be able to tell but municipal parking does not tell the only reason we tow is for scofflaw. So that's not part of any enforcement program that happens with municipal parking. And we know that maybe day one or day two that might might be a problem. But after someone gets a ticket, it will dry up pretty quickly. And we will be heavily enforcing the area I think it's important to remember the reason why people are parking there it's free. They don't want to pay to park in a parking lot and it's free. And you don't really care about the burden it places on you. So what we're doing is making this as inconvenient as legally possible. On a public street. It's not a private Street. This is a public street. So there are some parameters. We just can't make this a private Street. It's a public street. But what we have, we do believe it might not happen day one, but very shortly we do believe you'll see the parking behavior change drastically
Well, I don't at one point I saw council president Sheffield on but I think she's good. Oh no council president Sheffield if you're still on. I don't know if you wanted to make a statement or have any words
if so, can
you could you turn your camera on and we'll know to promote you
Okay,
at this point, then, we will have this commodity commodity you still online. Yeah, if you would, would you promote commodities with legislative policy? He did a lot of work with us to bring this into fruition. He wants to have some words in it right after him. We'll come up. Well, actually, let's go to Alfonso. He just has a question and then we'll go to come on. Hello, hello.
Hi, this is President Sheffield. Sorry about that. Navigating multiple meetings, but I just wanted to jump on to thank the community for all the work that they've been doing. I've been kind of listening in. I really want to yield my time to the community to allow them to speak. But also thank you the municipal parking director for your work and collaboration on this. As you all may or may not know my office, along with former councilmember Castaneda were killed last year to actually pass this ordinance because we knew what the concerns and the need for this and so looking forward toward the work ahead and appreciate everybody's engagement in this and hopefully we can find a solution that you know fits everyone so thank you for the work on and thank you for having me speak. Thank you. Commodity before
we appreciate that. Thank you, council president Sheffield. Thank you for your leadership. Before we go to come on there was a person did we lose them? Alfonso, what was I find that would you raise your hand again please?
I'm asking you to um, you
go ahead Alfonso.
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give you a few more seconds before we move on
to maybe have a problem for this audio.
Okay, let's move on to Anthony.
Actually, Robert was mixed. Okay. Robert, I'm going to ask you to unmute. You have one minute for your question or comment.
Thank you. I'll keep it brief. I'm just asking Could you repeat the email address as to where we could obtain a electronic copy of this report for you?
Yes, I want to make sure I tell you is MPD residential parking at Detroit. mi.gov.
So Mary Paul David, residential parking at Detroit mi.gov.
That's correct. Thank you. My pleasure. Good to see good to hear your voice.
I'm gonna ask you to unmute. You have one minute.
Hi. Thanks for everybody taking the time for this meeting. Just a quick question. I own a piece of property at 332 Watson it's at the southwest corner of Watson and brush. It's currently a vacant piece of property and I'm going to go through the architectural stages I'm planning to build a multi unit there but currently been vacant and when if this thing goes through what's parking my car on that vacant lot? Would that be allowed?
Well, if it's if it's a vacant lot, it's not legal for parking. You can't really shouldn't park there. But um, and and not really seeing exactly what you're talking about. I don't want to advise you, but you still would have the ability to get a a feminist permit property owner although it didn't really didn't really consider having a lot versus a house. But you know, do me a favor. Can we send him to the breakout room Sean grab his information. And then we'll have a deeper conversation
thank you, sir.
So I said this point if there's no other questions, can you promote commodity legislative policy, commodity Jeffers. Jefferson, Jeffrey, excuse me. Come on in Jeffrey. Hello, can I be here? Yes, we can hear you.
Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm gonna route another meeting. But I just thank you for having me on. One of the things that community LPD works very closely with the breast Park community. But also want to thank you for being here and putting this meeting on. It. Just wanted to let you all know, in addition to the council president's office, definitely appreciate her for her leadership and, and LPD is here to support in any capacity that we're just wanting to let that be known. Any comments or any comments can also be reached and for any reason, feel free to reach out to us and we can connect you with them, as many folks have our emails as already. So again, we're just here to support and we appreciate you, thanks to the community.
Thank you. Commodity Jeffrey. Also, I noticed that Ray Solomon the director of neighborhoods is on So Ray if you would like to have a comment. If you just turn your camera on, we'll promote you.
If not, it's okay.
All right. They will
have some technical difficulties. Okay. As always is great partner with your department, well thought out plan. So just looking forward to giving the community support and your department's support as we carry this carried us down the road. So we'll we'll stay till the end. Thanks for having us.
Our pleasure.
Well, that will conclude our meeting. I want to thank everybody from the municipal parking staff. This has taken quite a few people to be a part of this, as well as those of our support our staff from the Department of innovation and technology. Other people like kamati Geoffrey from legislative policy council president Sheffield in the many people to help us in the law department. The Department of Public Works in the brush Park communities, community, CDC, all those people's given input as well as yourselves. We are excited and look forward to bringing this to you as soon as possible. So you can get some relief. We've taken notes on the things that you've suggested. Looks like I think we're in good shape. And of course, we will send this this presentation to the CDC and they can circulate it from there. And then you also have the email address if you want to reach out to us that way. We thank you so much and we hope you have a wonderful day. If you know someone who's in the northern rush Park, which is on our skin and Elliot. Please let them know that meeting is tomorrow at 530 and we will see them there have a wonderful evening. Take care