this is what Roshi Kapleau says. Energetic chanting done with a pure mind with single minded involvement is another form of Zen, another mode of learning the Buddha truth in a direct non conceptual way, performed in this manner chanting is also a means of strengthening Samadhi power and of helping to bring about awakening. So don't underestimate the power of chanting. And now for the Dharma talks. Some there can be a question about what's the difference between a Dharma talk and a teisho where the commentary and Roshi, Roshi capital addresses this too. And this is turning to another, another section then merging of East and West and this is what he says. He says, The word dharma distinguish it distinguishes the talk from a talk on social, health, public or other general topics. Although Dharma has many meanings in Buddhism, for most purposes, it refers to the Buddhist teaching the law of the universe. Unlike a commentary, or a teisho, which is less a talk than a demonstration of Zen offered directly to the Buddha, a Dharma talk is delivered somewhat informally, with the Roshi or whoever's talking, facing his listeners. Also, unlike a commentary, a Dharma talk may include questions. So there won't be so my talks or notices she won't include a q&a but outside of sesshin, they do. So what do you do with the body and mind during during the Dharma talk, it's very similar to as during, during chanting, the recommended posture is same as a kneeling posture. Again, for the same purposes, for the same reasons to allow, it's more of an outward kind of posture allows the energy to flow. And just as Errol said, you can, it is recommended to sit still, however, you can change your posture, as you need to just do so mindfully. And that mindfulness has more to do with your your neighbors are probably not paying the least bit of attention to you. They are focused on what they're doing. You're moving around for what in whatever way is going to be more disruptive for you. It just creates this kind of bumpiness in the mind. Like okay, my, my knee is starting to ache. And do I change my posture now? Or I'll just wait a little while? Oh, no, it's starting to ache a little more, I better do it. Now. As soon as you feel that the need to change your posture, just do it. Don't fuss about it in your mind. Just do it.