Friends, we're gonna call the SMART Board Meeting to order at 2:03pm. If y'all wouldn't mind, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Edie tivity if you wouldn't mind with the roll, please.
Chairman Abdullah headends is excused absence. VICE CHAIRPERSON Mr. John Paul Ray can be chairing the meeting present. Miss Tillery chambers President she obtained her this ibori Mr. Boyce man and also excused absence, and Mr. Burke rains again. Excellent. Thank
you so very much. Next, we're going to move on to adoption of the agenda. I would very much appreciate a motion real quick, Mr. RES, again, for the board briefings, we will we will exclude 10 A and B today on our agenda so we can have a motion. Are you good with that, bro? So, any second? Any discussion? All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? And we have an agenda. Miss Martin. Certification of public notice, please?
Yes, Chairman SmartWool. Hold a smart July 25 2020. For a board of directors meeting at 2pm in Abele building located on 545 Chris Wall Street, Suite 600, Detroit, Michigan 48226. This meeting is open to the public.
Thank you, Miss Barton. Appreciate that. Next, we're gonna move on to six A, the chair would entertain a motion to approve the board meeting minutes for July the eighth 2024. So then moved and supported any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Minutes are passed. Next we're gonna move on to public participation. Very much appreciate everyone coming out today. Just as a general reminder, three minutes per speaker, if you come to up to the podium, if you could please state your name and your place of residence that would be greatly appreciated. And the podium is open.
Good afternoon, brother Cunningham's you doing sir? See everybody. Um, I'm an advocate, theta smart, go to the board meetings to city council meetings, etc. And for eight years I was on the coaches before I was a taxi cab and outreach from that where I developed plus tickets, hand warmers, some gloves and things. And people just complain about the fast bus and it's not on time, or it didn't show up, which is good for business. But I'm empathetic. And I think that smart should be more aggressive. DDOT has a training program, which all they need is a license. And then they all give them CLP. And then they go on. If y'all can't beat them, you join them. I mean, maybe you guys can join forces and training bus drivers through the DDOT Training Center, or start your own. They have over 100 graduates over the last six or seven months. I mean, they're really pushing them out. I think that's a good idea. And also using the overhead or they're gonna enunciator or the the audio systems on the buses, using that to advertise the positions at smart not just the drivers, drivers need more pay, they need more amenities, to retain the drivers. These are your brothers, your sisters, your cousins, your these are your church members. These are people these are not just numbers. These are people I know but the pandemic plays a part. But this is the worst I've ever seen. It's smart. And it is what it is. I don't get paid for saying so. You know, so I have a right to say so this is the worst I've seen it. So I'm hoping things get better, more abrasive, and getting more drivers and retaining the drivers. I thank you for all your leadership. You know who I'm talking to. And you guys are always in my prayers and like I said, this is the worst I've ever seen smart. They need a contract and the higher wages and they need to keep their pension they Thank you so much.
Thank you, Brother Cunningham. Appreciate it, sir, proceed to
the afternoon,
my name is Brenda Smith, and I am a dialysis patient over at North West. They have been dropping me and others off on Lasher Street and making less walk to the building, I am not able to do that time the walking and have told them I'm going to faint right in front of the building. And I'm going to hold smartbus responsible you all have talked about this situation over and over. And you do not seem to have enough faith that your drivers can back up, which I find just disgusting, that you wouldn't have drivers drive a mess around, and you don't have faith that they can back up. I have come here to ask you to do something about that because I am. If this continues, I am going to file Ada, again against smart because there's no reason that we should be left in this industry. I also want to say as a former business agent for union, I am very disappointed that these workers are working without a contract. That seems to be a problem with smart and negotiating these contracts for your workers. Your workers don't stay because you don't seem to have enough respect for them. Please do what you can to get their contract negotiated. I know that trips that people play and contract negotiations. And as the gentleman said earlier, these are your brothers and sisters. They should not be working without a contract. The same way each and every one of you would like to have a good job that pays you well and respects you. The last thing I want to say every since you all got that millage. The service has been terrible. Absolutely terrible. I don't know what the problem is. But it seems like you had administrative problems and how to manage your people. Do something please and do something so thank you.
Thank you Mr.
Good afternoon.
My name is Joel Batterman. I live in Detroit and work as Engagement Manager for transportation writers united, Detroit's nonprofit transit advocate. True is happy to see smarts rollout of the new route 759 Highland last month. This connects Waterford and White Lake townships to the smart system for the first time. Unfortunately, the crisis of no show buses has not been resolved. Until this is addressed. Riders cannot rest easy. It is unacceptable that people continue to be left stranded by buses that are late or don't even arrive at all. It's really a matter of basic respect for those smart serves, most of whom have few other options for getting around. According to survey results from smart recently released smarter mobility report. bus riders across for more than 40 routes noted the buses are late or never showed up, impacting their trust in the system and in some cases causing problems with riders employers continue to quote, several riders mentioned losing jobs or facing workplace discipline due to late or cancelled bus service. Many required multiple buses to complete their typical trip, so respondents often missed connections due to a delay on their earlier bus. routes. 261 fast Michigan and 462 Fast Woodward received the most comments relating to delays and cancellations but 80% of those who commented on this issue relied primarily on those fast routes. It's those fast routes I might add, that are supposed to act as the backbone of the system. We've known for a long time what's needed to fix this crisis, bringing in more bus operators. To do so the job must be made more attractive. We're glad to see that smart is now offering a new hire bonus. But this isn't enough, so long as the starting pay for operators is still only $19 an hour. This is especially true now that the city of Detroit has raged, excuse me raised wages for data operators, who are now paid 19 an hour while in training. We are hopeful that a new contract with SMART operators will contain a substantial wage increase, but first the contract must be finalized. As you know, contract negotiations have now dragged on for a year and a half. And SMART operators have been working more than 500 days without a contract. Again, this is a matter of basic respect for both drivers and riders. We urge smart administration to settle the contract negotiations as soon as possible. So the operators can receive the wage increases they deserve, and that are necessary to restore reliable service riders. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Joe.
Hello, I'm
smartboard My name is Steven hiring. I live in downtown Detroit and I'm an independent transit activists. You know, I just want to first say, I want to express my extreme disgust and disappointment that we still don't have a contract, and that three drivers were unjustly fired for just speaking out, you know, during the last meeting, and you know, I have a question for Dwight fair, hopefully he'll answer it at the end. So when you were a bus driver, did you ever work without a contract? I want to know that because, you know, I know the other day. You mentioned you were fired from you're not because a clause that's that doesn't mean exactly, you know, that it could have been that you weren't doing a great job. But, you know, overall, you know, I've been riding smart for 15 years, you know, I used to take it a lot more before I moved downtown. And, you know, this is the worst I've ever seen it just the most inefficient, you know, these processes are frequently late, what was usually like, 2030 minutes late, if it even shows up. You know, it's the first time in a while that DDoS actually more efficient and smart. You know, you know, usually, you know, the last couple times, you know, when I go to Ferndale, you know, go to my parents for family barbecue. You know, I just Uber even one time I told my body, you know, you know, the current state of affairs with the leadership, you know, it's just, it's just disgraceful. You know, there's a severe lack of accountability. And, you know, I want to have a message for this sport. You know, if you don't have a contract for those drivers in 50 days, I think this board should really consider, you know, terminating wealth, or Dwight Farrells contract and leadership because this is just ridiculous. You know, I have never seen a union crisis or a labor crisis this bad. And, you know, these drivers go through hell and back, you know, this isn't some small summer job, they deserve to get paid. They deserve to be on a union, and they deserve their freedom of speech to criticize the working conditions. You know, this is just shameful. And, you know, I hope this board takes this into account. Maybe Sorry.
Hi, my name is Michel. Manti. I live in Detroit. I ride the bus to work most days during the week. You know, I've seen a lot, a lot of missed runs on Woodward. 8am, on a Tuesday on a Wednesday. I mean, it causes a lot of pain. I have a job that allows me the flexibility final half hour late. It's not the end of the world, but there's not a lot of people who ride the bus who have that luxury. I've seen people get a call from their boss saying don't bother showing up. And it's all because people don't want to work for you. Do you understand that it's not the driver's fault that they don't want to work for the terrible pay that you're offering them. It's not the driver's fault. That smart isn't willing to work with them to develop a contract. When spent over 500 days, this is ridiculous. It's an abdication of duty. So I just want you to know that you're causing real pain in the communities around Detroit, in this region. And a lot of those people don't have the ability to come here and tell you so I'm telling you for them. Thank you. Thank you.
Good afternoon. My name is Kevin cologne, and we're president at you local 1560. For the last month's meeting, Mr. Frail stated, Mr. Farrell stated that's since the union wants to negotiate in public, we can. The Union never wanted to negotiate in public when in 22 months, not negotiating public, but it was your actions at the table in here that brought us back today. I don't want to have to come down here every month, just like you don't want to see me. In your response to the union's comments a few weeks ago, you made a number of either false or misleading comments. You stated that the union didn't ask for a shift premium you offered it. We did at the beginning. And you said no, but later countered with a proposal that stated when 50% of your work is done after 7pm, then you will receive the 45 cents you mentioned, which would be less than 15% of the drivers. You mentioned that you offer us at incentives attendants and sanative. We didn't ask for it. We did it with a proposal that used a memorandum of understanding that was already in the contract. You receive government funds with the infrastructure bill that stipulated monies for such incentives. But you added stipulations that would exclude drivers or make them miss the incentives if they are called for jury duty, or God forbid a death in the family and they use bereavement days they are you stated that you negotiated the same attendance policy that every other union accepted insinuating that we were the problem hold up. Because of our jobs are different. And from all the other bargaining units, we had different ones needs to address what you refuse to move on, and failing to mention that the UAW had been forced to negotiate for 22 months as well. Just agreeing to settle a week prior to the last board meeting. You went on to state that all the changes are to provide consistent service to the people that come here every month and say we don't the public we drive or serve proudly. Change is inevitable. The Union never had a problem with change the forcing change to questionable negotiation tactics and changing at items on the contract with 49 articles is extreme and it creates chaos and distrust for the employees that you claim to value. There are more things I would like to say but I don't have the luxury of the nine and a half minute you have no rebuttal. To the one side of the story. I believe the term you used just like you were hired to do your job I was elected do mine if my membership choose to vote on your offer, so be it. If not you will continue to hear from us. Thank you. Thank you
Hi, my name is Danilo. I rode the bus for about 25 years. I'm here just as a consumer because I'm having so many problems with my rides. I don't get it. This is a lot of mixed messages and like smart with their employees. To me, this ain't the place to air the dirty laundry. This is something in house this should be fixed. I'm here as one of the public of the consumer of we see Mike Dugan on the news saying we got more buses than drivers new buses by yet twice in the last week or two. I've had to wait for not one bus broke down but two and sent in sometimes on the ground or whatever waiting for my bus to show off. Or taking my mother to the dentist's that just turned 80 years old a couple of days ago. And she has dementia. I have a form of MS that the bus didn't show up to pick us up. 45 minutes later, I had to take my shoes off and walked back three and a half, three and a quarter mile to get her home because they didn't show up. When we call the schedule ride where it says we're too 139 and line that were sitting on the phone over an hour. Now these are the problems with smart. I worked before be I had an ACL replacement out of my leg. I didn't get a raise for five years. But I showed up every day. This is a hen house problem. Y'all need to do that. But what about the people in the public? That we have illnesses? Everybody's waiting for that Gotcha. Are we calling it's like a game, we don't want to be in the middle of a game. And that's what I got to say there's problems and they need fixed. And the website, the website is out of date. And when we when I used to call for to schedule regular ride, it says they will tell you right in your day, if they have the ride or not. I wrote it for years, it always did. Now, I'm not allowed to know if that rides even available to the 12 hours before. And the last four times, it only had half the ride. Even though I got up at 650 Waiting for seven o'clock to hit. I got out of bed and made that effort. But no, you only can get Ada, why are we going to give you $2 ride when we can get $3 You know, but when you're on social security and you're disabled, it's a lot. That's all I got to say. I don't know what else to say. But there's a lot of problems. And it seems like the public is getting thrown in the middle of this in house problem. That's it. Have a great day. Thank you for listening to me.
Thank you.
Good afternoon to everyone. I am Szechuan Collier, President business agent at EU local 26. I represent the DDOT operators as well as the queue line operators. I just heard someone come up here and say they're smart is been reduced to something worse than data. I've worked for data for 35 years. So if you have become worse than that, what's come after worse? Because whatever it is, anybody that's in this room that has any handed in it is responsible for it. You are failing the exact people who are you are getting paid to work for. Essentially, that's it. As an operator, I showed up at work every day. I have never had an attendance problem in 35 years, ever. But it is the mayor said earlier in the interview, when we had enough buses, we didn't have enough drivers and we had enough drivers. We didn't have enough buses. I experienced that for 35 years at DDOT. But I showed up every day, whether he had a bus for me or not. Whether I had someone working in front of me or not. So if it's someone I thought they heard I heard him say someone who was a bus driver at one time, have you ever worked on a route where you didn't have a person in front of you. If smart is contributing to fill in their passengers, they have now created a hostile work environment for every operator out there driving the bus. Those types of situations cause escalation of violence towards operators that are out there operating. And more than once in my career, I have been attacked by multiple people at one time while being an operator. So I know exactly what that feels like. I'm hoping no one in this room. Right? would want to take responsibility for that. That you will be showing up every day to make sure that those type of situations don't happen because every operator that goes out there, to provide for their family and the public have a right to go home to not feel like they have to carry a weapon. We did this we're not an army. We're not the police. We're just bus drivers that want to provide the service and if anyone in this room is standing in the way of that the you are failing for them to have gone this long without a contract. There's pretty obvious that everyone is not on the same agenda. Now as someone who's myself had been involved in negotiations, here's what I know that we both should be working on one accord to get where we are trying to go. We can argue about the route that we get there. But there should never be a misunderstanding of where we're trying to go. I am so glad that the mayor finally realized that they had to come and compete for operators because for a long time you guys were able to come in and rob us of all our operators, guess what that has switched for you. You have to now step up to the plate and compete with everybody else out here. Who needs people who have CDL license? This is a skill. Yeah, technical skill. Y'all need to respect that. Thank you.
Hello, good afternoon to the board and to the writing public and to the public. My name is mokwena Burton. I work at smart. I'm the Vice President of AT YOU local 1564. And I live in Detroit. There has been a time when the operators of this establishment or the writing public, there have not been a time when the operators of this establishment or the writing public has been dis displayed such a dissatisfaction at this at these public meetings, as in the most recent year. Ask yourselves, why is this is difficult to communicate our concerns. When they continue to fall on deaf ears. We are now compelled to speak out. Mr. Pharaoh and his administration continually pursue an indifferent stance towards the union using tactics to silence us into submission. This is a stark contrast to the past relationship, which was based on communication and cooperation to achieve resolutions. The erosion of this collaborative disk collaborative spirit is a significant factor in the current climate of dissatisfaction. What it misses Mr. Farrell's job to try to intimidate or undermine the union. Attitude reflects leadership and in operations. It is evident in morale, seeing how the decisions being made come through the board for approval. And recognizing that you were that you were chosen to make critical decisions about the company including selecting Mr. Pharaoh as general manager, you alone should be held accountable for the choices you've made, and should have some concern about the misconduct circulating. Lastly, the board's lack of action or investigation is deeply troubling, and raises a significant concern about the grievant about the governance and oversight of this organization. This inaction not only jeopardizes the trust and confidence of the public and employees but also suggests a deeper issue of accountability within the board itself. Thank you for listening.
Thank you Miss Burton.
Good afternoon. My name is Troy Mosley, steward for itu 1564 and driver for smart. The current general manager the white Pharaoh holds the position of power sits on the board of directors during the public during a recent public hearing. He caught off the union training creating an hostile and unprofessional environment. While we may have can see some well he may have convinced some of you I would his calm demeanor and doublespeak is not for us, our leadership or our members. We ask you the Board to take initiative and regain control over the person that you God chose to hire. Remember, those who put you in those seats get elected. And remember, each one of us are voters. We voted for the millage. We voted for the people that put you all in our seats also. For the for the management team, that he's so well put together. You all have rights too. I know a lot of you are dissatisfied with his current leadership. You can stand up and stand out. You can do have to fire you for Just Cause speak up. Stop being afraid we're not afraid. Board do your job. Respectfully, I ask.
Thank you, Miss Mosley.
Hello board.
My name is Ivan Drury, I'm visiting from Vancouver, Canada. I'm a member of Amalgamated Transit Union at you local 1724. In Vancouver, I'm a bus driver, paratransit driver there. We're currently in strike action after being in bargaining since October last year. So we've been without a contract since September, that feels like a really long time. But it's nothing compared to what the brothers and sisters here have been going through. The main issue in our job action is wages. But wages are not wages alone. They're like I hear from brothers and sisters here. Wages are working conditions, wages are, or they are the ability to fill shifts, the ability to run a good transit system. Every single board meeting that we have there, our paratransit is contracted out to trans Dev. So our Union's always on about bringing it back in house, because it's so difficult to navigate private company in that private public partnership structure. So this is a bit of a warning to that being in house doesn't solve everything. But we always go to the board meetings like this and hear them talk about the difficulty of hiring people keeping people on that we have a problem with turnover. And now we make a bit more than the drivers here do not much. But our cost of living is really high in Vancouver. And so they always say next time, the company is going to be able to bring more people on board next time, they're going to stop contracting up to taxis, because that's how they deal with the shortcomings in paratransit in Vancouver is about 22% of our rides go to go to private taxi. So that kind of second level of contracting out. We know that wages mean the ability to hire and maintain people and offer good services to clients good service to passengers. So its drivers and our unions that care about passengers. And in my experience, companies are getting away. Now I think stop getting in the way support this local to get a good contract the wages they deserve, and passengers to get the services they deserve. Thank you, you.
Definitely members of the board board of directors, and the general public present and listening streaming. My name is Claudia Delahaye, and Southfield resident. And I did tell everyone last time about the 405. It is still an ongoing issue, where Monday through Thursday, buses are still missing in the morning. So I have to seek alternate route. Which brings me to the next issue. calling customer service is a help. But for those passengers, you need to plan ahead and I'm going to seriously tell you plan ahead or 45 minutes before your buses do. And make sure you ask is there a driver present is a bus present. And if the route has been cut, it's giving problems. So when we get to the bus stop, there's no bus, then we have to call again. And then we're told officially that there's there's no bus service for the second time for the route that we asked for. So I'm urging our passengers to be proactive about getting your bus and seek an alternative route. Other Other issues that I'm looking at, I decided when I left the last meeting, it's time for a consumer confidence survey. So I have your first survey out of 24 surveys 12 for the passengers and 12. For the drivers. Drivers were asked how confident out one out of 10 how confident they were about working for smart. They get a rousing between eight and 10 out of eight out of 10 between eight and 10 out of 10. Sorry about that. And when it comes to working without a contract. Most drivers were giving a minus minus one. Your high score was a three three out of 10 and passengers there. They're giving marks between seven and 10. For service, it varies day to day. So with that said, I've spoken with a VP of of operations and she says your 82% or I think it's more realistically after the break downs during the day, it's round about 75. My suggestion is that you right size on a day to day basis, and plan the day before, the routes you're going to cut. If you're going to cut cut permanently and right size the system now to try and serve you can't rub it in Troy to let all right in Novi. And thank you, thank you
anyone else from the public looking to speak? Guess?
Good afternoon, members of the board. I'm Lucas Iseki with transportation riders united. And as we sit here today, you've heard all these people speak I just implore you to think about who's really benefiting from the state of things here because I really don't see how you at the board or Mr. Farrell are winning here as everyone else seems to be losing. We the riders who give this system the reason to exist are losing a service reliability is continually abysmal. And we've now each been left stranded more time and Willie Nelson has made records which is somewhere in the 60s. People have been up ended by a years long driver shortage that is nowhere close to resolution. We the taxpayers who give the system the funding to operate are losing as our dollars are going to a system that can't even reliably run the lifeline hourly service it provides that it promises rather, it doesn't provide. We the advocates are losing as the unreliable services making us hard for us to justify our fight to get you more funding to the skeptical politician and to the many skeptical taxpayers. Smarts rank and file staff are losing particularly those in the external affairs department who have dealt with a barrage of preventable complaints from all three of those groups due to this crisis. But most of our most of all, our brothers and our sisters in the ACU, who have worked every single wheel to keep smart turning, are losing has they have worked without a contract for more than a year and a half. They've negotiated in good faith for better pay and better conditions and in return have received offers of raises packaged with a smorgasbord of benefit cuts and unreasonable rules. They have silently worked without a contract to nap negotiating and public for close to two years, spending countless months being denied their needs and negotiations. They're signaling. They're sitting idly by while management wags the dog to distract from this crisis. And they seem to have their sisters fired in retaliation for speaking truth to power. I don't need to tell you that's unacceptable. For months, you've heard me and a few others talk about our experiences with smart how this is made it nearly impossible to effectively use this system. Unless you're some nerd like me, who knows the inner workings of the system and can predict these Cots hours in advance. It's leaving people stranded in winter, spring and fall rain and snow, sleet and hail. We the riders we the taxpayers and we the advocates are sick of this and we need action now to resolve this crisis. Because we cannot deal with any more of this. There won't be a smart at this rate. If this does not get resolved. Have some empathy, give the drivers what they need. Get the contract resolved. Now. Thank you for your time. Thank you Lucas.
Any other members of the public helping to address the board today? Seeing none, we will close public participation. Next Agenda Item number eight I will forego my time and we will jump into the general manager's Report. Mr. Farrell?
Well, I've been asked to respond to a specific question. And I will do that I was asked if I have ever been in a situation as an operator where we went without a contract. I've been through concessionary bargaining, which means we gave up and didn't get. So the economic times when I was an operator is very different than where we are today. So it's not an apples to apples comparison. However, what I will say is this. It is my understanding that there's a vote scheduled for Monday, but at you to decide whether Are they want to accept their latest staff. Her latest offer, as I also understand, it would make the SMART operators the highest paid operators in the state at the signing of the contract. Which would mean that they would be paid more even on the starting level than those of D that. Now, benefits. I heard someone say that we had smart wanting to cut benefits. That is absolutely categorically untrue. We didn't we didn't touch anybody's health care. We didn't do any of those. We didn't say reducing your vacation time, we didn't do any of those things. Now if that is the case, there is something that I am not aware of.
Now am I aware that smart misses runs? Yes, I am.
Smart was missing around before I got here. There are a whole host of reasons where I could sit here and go on and on and on as to why they are. But I can also tell you that there are things that smart strive to do in order to be able to address read address this, there are fundamental changes with our organization, we have to change from how we maintain vehicles, to how we recruit and retain staff. Our purpose for anything that we asked when the contract was in no way meant to hurt anyone here, we are not cutting anybody's pension, that is just not true. Anybody who has a pension keeps it. What we propose was to give people who were coming in something different. Which was a 401 K with a match from this company. Now part of my responsibility in the management team's responsibility is to look at trends in terms of what other employers are offering in order to be competitive. Now, I can tell you that there are some places who went to 401 K's 30 years ago. So what we are proposing is not and I also want to make it a point to be real clear. As someone who has people who are in a millennial space, or a generation z space, their requirements are different. The things that I would have accepted as an operator, they won't. And so the changes that we propose will change is to address that issue. In no way to hurt anyone who was already here. So I don't want to get into a back and forth, you know, between somebody making comments in a comment that I make, but understand this, my directive was to make sure that employees at Smart were the highest paid in this state doing what they do, period. And if anybody tells you other than that, that's not true. For all the reasons that people come up here and talk about. So I'll close with this. I have never made it a point to talk about how things were before I got here. I know how things were before I got here. But I can also tell you that when you're trying to rebuild a house, which is no matter what we're doing, some of these changes must be made. But I cannot reiterate enough, reiterate enough. That wages that we offer were not less. And I'd like for the employees to have contracts too. Because at the end of the day, all the things that that people come up and complain about are things that we must address absolutely must address. So don't think that they fall on deaf ears. That smart or Dwight Farrell doesn't care. That's absolutely not true. So as my responsibility is not only to look at what's going on now, but to set this organization for what it's going to be five years from now, 10 years from now. And that's exactly what we're doing. So again, I hope that on the 30th Monday that the members of the ITU will ratify this contract and we can move on from this. And I will leave it at that.
Thank you, Miss Farrell. Any comments or questions from members of the board? This
chambers? Yes.
Mr. Chair, I think that I've you know what we have heard today and what we have heard in recent weeks, it underscores why everyone who has participated in negotiations over their lifetime and many people here, Dr. Ivory for one is someone who has done it more than I have. But for me, it underscores why negotiations are not done public, because of the sensitive nature and the feelings that the negotiations bring about. And so I think we all have to be respectful of that. This board
supports
the right to associate the right to bargain collectively, it's a fundamental right. I see it as basic as a human right. And we also have been apprised of and support the negotiating position of smart there it is, it has been difficult that it has gone on this long, but it has not gone on this long as a as a as a tactic. So I am hopeful as well. And I hope that with all of this noise, that the membership has the information that they need to make a decision for them and their families in terms of what is contained within this contract. Because I believe that the management of smart has gone through and gotten to an agreement with all of the other unions with many of the same provisions that are in this contract, that are also being implemented and seem to be implemented in a way that is improving working conditions not harming working conditions. So and I think it is important for the advocates who we respect to understand that you are not in the management of smart, and you can't really stand there and say we have missed routes. And we don't treat our drivers well enough. I mean, there is a disconnect between what you're saying. And I hope that you'll evaluate that. Because all of this comes together, we want to have the best paid drivers in the state. And we also want to have just basic common sense policies to improve working conditions and improve the operation of smart. So again, I just want to underscore that I hope that even with the noise, that the members have the information that they need in the next few days or can get the information that they need to make a decision that's best for them.
Thank you, Miss chambers. Appreciate that.
Any other segments for members of the board. Miss chambers, I will just also echo undoubtedly a tremendous amount of sensitivities. Anytime we're discussing collective bargaining, and the livelihood of the individuals that are the frontline of the service that we provide to a region of over 5 million individuals. We are hopeful that the tenor of these conversations will lead to productive outcomes on all fronts. And I think undoubtedly by the actions of members of this board and the commitment that we have with not only our local communities, the service expansions that we're continuing to see in a multitude of areas around the region in the way that we're looking to continue to leverage the smarter mobility plan as a conduit for ways to modernize service, that things will begin to not only lead to more reliable service, but more impactful service that will give people mobility options throughout the region. And I know that those are louder, flowery words from a mid level bureaucrat that's at this table and smiles every once a month. But this is something that I think is ingrained in the fabric of everyone's DNA that sits on this board. Because we are committed to not only enhancing and modernizing this, but making sure that we provide these forums so that the public can express any concerns that they may have, and put the collective forth of all of the decision makers at this body and all of the inspiring individuals that work for us every single day. With that said, we are going to move along to new business. We are going to start with a lemon a resolution for August September October 2024. Board meeting locations can I get a motion please?
So as we moved
Spark, or spark
that afternoon any questions?
See, we
this is a resolution to amend the schedule to provide for the locations and the communities for board meetings in August, September and October.
These are each one of the meetings that we will be holding in all of the represented counties on this board. Correct. Thank you. We have a motion in support. See no further discussion. All those in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Appreciate it. Next, a resolution for audit committee appointments. Ryan, what do you need from us today?
We are seeking the nomination and appointment or the audit committee which is a three at the bylaws require at least a three member audit committee. The board chairperson is also considered an ex officio nonvoting member. But that does not preclude preclude them from also participating as a full member. So we are requesting the three name three people be nominated. And one of those being a chair. Alright, so
yes, Al's not here. So that was in there. If there's no objection for my counterpart from Macomb, I will offer my services for the audit committee. And I guess we need one more for whoever's interested in joining, I would offer my service. Thank you, Mr. Res. Again, appreciate it. So we got Al myself and Mr. RES, again. Any other options from the floor? Anybody
would like to be the chair?
If there's no objections, I'd be more than happy to gavel that, thank you very much. All right. Resolutions. Everyone is agreeable to this.
So I moved through the appointment of JP Raya as chair of the audit committee and membership being made up of Al Hadis. And Brett rads, again.
Thank you, Miss chambers. Think for a second. Decker I agree. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. We have an audit committee. Thank you, Ryan. Appreciate it. Next, we are looking for a resolution for smart's fiscal year 2024 5310 program of projects. And I believe Ben is here from the RTA to give us a little bit of rundown. And Tiffany is going to provide us with a little bit of insight into what we're doing here. Sure, sure. Yeah, absolutely.
Great. And yeah, last year, the this for took an action to approve the first year of a two year allocation of 5310 funding. That program did see some some significant changes. And so what we've asked this year is for the RTA to come and talk about the process for the 53 tam program before we take an action on the second year allocation. So Benjamin Stuka from the RTA there, I don't know your title, Executive Director, negative directors here to talk about that. Thank you,
Ben, thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate it.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, board members. I will keep this brief. I know you've had a busy meeting. I'm going to do an overview of the 5310 program and kind of the general process to get us to funding decisions. So 5310 is a federal code for the enhanced mobility for seniors and individuals with disability program. The funding needs and needs of transportation needs of older adults, people with disabilities, and actually also focuses on low income individuals. It requires a coordinated plan or what is actually called the coordinated Human Services transportation plan, which is not a name I gave it, but it's the name the federal government gives it and a program management plan. The first full update of that plan which included the entirety of our region of the RTA region. So Wayne Oakland Macomb and Washtenaw was done in 2020. We are moving forward with an update of that plan. We actually have emails going out right now to staff a technical working group to pull that plan together. I'll talk a little bit more in detail about that in another couple of slides. The funding that comes to the RTA is a designated recipient is approximately $5 million annually. That's to the Detroit uca. One of the key things to understand about the program is that 55% of that funding has to go to what we call traditional projects, essentially buses and Van replacements. That's because of some old federal laws and things combining that I will not get into happy to get into op op Mike. But that's just one of the rules we have to follow that makes programming a little bit tricky. We distribute the funding through a two year call for projects. Our next call will be in the spring of 2025. So we do next call the fiscal year 25 and 26. We do that through a programming committee that includes providers, smart DDOT, and other sub recipients, human service agencies, and others to help us review applications and come up with a program that fits
to print get this to work.
Area All right, so the coordinated plan. So again, this is a federally required document, we have to update every two or three years. This is where we focus on strategies for improving services for seniors, people with disabilities and people with low incomes. We focus on doing inventories of existing service providers. So think about your community providers, nonprofits, your paratransit services, those types of services are what we're looking at. Again, this the document you see on your screen here is the first full regional update or plan ever done for this entire region. So we're just now starting our next update, that should take about 12 months to complete. And we are looking to staff a board, technical committee to to do that update. Along with the coordinated plan is a what we call program management plan. Also, as a federally required document, this is the operation and management of the 5310 funding. So this is how do we distribute the funding? How do we make meet federal guidelines? How do we manage sub recipients, which I know is something that Ian who will talk later and the SMART Board and staff know a whole lot about, and the federal government loves to ask a lot of questions about during our triennial reviews, which was always really fun. So we have the call for projects process connecting federal programming, sub recipient management. So again, this is being updated along with the coordinated plan. So as we're looking at is the corporate projects process that we've gone through working, now's the time for us to look at it, open it up and do some surgery on it if we need to. So generally, the history from 2016 to 2024. So this is inclusive, smart, and its sub recipients have done really well in this program. And the reason for that. And this took me a while to put together I don't think I've even covered, these are probably the 60% of the sub recipients, I couldn't fit them all on one page. So this is one of the challenges of this program is that we have a lot of communities, and nonprofits and partners that are doing really wonderful services. And we only have I know, it sounds so crazy to say we only have $5 million a year to invest in them. So we do have to balance the ongoing needs of these services, we have to focus on their capital needs. But we also have to make sure we have some parity and equity in the program as we're moving forward. So just wanted to identify and I could go through all these and tell you everything that they do. But just I thought it was important to identify the number of people throughout the region that are involved in funding for 53. Time. So yes, ma'am. I
will be taking questions throughout the end.
I have no issues with the chair,
the chair, so forgive. Maybe, maybe I missed over this. So go back to that slide. Of all the partners or some of the partners. I mean, are their priorities in here? Like are these folks, I don't want you to tell me all what they do. But are there certain priorities? And then are there key performance indicators? Like do they have to report back to you? Yep.
So we'll get to that. Give me two slides. Yeah. So the program that we had, and so I combined fiscal year 23 and 24, we had $13 million available, which is a little more than usual, because we had some COVID relief money that went into the 53 time program, the general goals of the program and director chambers to your question. You know, we're looking to align resources to the highest regional priorities, those are established in the coordinated plan, continue to expand regional collaboration, just gonna have general goals to kind of not reduce duplicated administrative efforts, and just continue to kind of work together. We had a review committee that included smart DDOT, AAA TA, lots, some cog mdot, our Citizens Advisory Committee, and of course, our TA staff. I can't thank Ian enough and smart in their leadership enough for how much they've helped us really understand the needs of their very, very large sub recipient pool. And they're particularly their vehicle needs and other pieces of this program. So for this program, we received $22 million in funding requests from 39 agencies for 67 different projects, why are there different projects, we receive separate applications for vehicle replacements or continuing operations or mobility management. So lots of applications that go through, again, to get into some of the priority programming priorities. 55% has to go to vehicle replacement. So you kind of want that right off the top and say we have to we have to do this. In the first year in 2023, we had about 1.5 million in additional investment for the smart community providers. This is because as we all know, during COVID, when when purchasing was happening, all those small buses just like large buses, just like cars, just like groceries ended up costing a lot more. So we ended up having to make an investment in that first year to make sure that people who had active procurements were getting those fully funded. And I want to say there was 30 Plus providers or so that were that benefited from that action in that first year. We did try the best to the best of our ability to fund continuing operations in fiscal year 23. We funded regional mobility management so that's the my ride to service which is a service that we operate in partnership with a group that's now called H weighs used to be the A Oh God, AAA one B Area Agency on Aging aging one day they change their name to age ways folks want to know Oh, that is a regional call center and website that anybody throughout our entire region can call and get information about what types of services they need if you're a senior person with a disability, a caregiver. So that's something we continue to find peak, which does travel training, particularly for people with cognitive disabilities throughout the region has been a long time. program funded through here, and then trying to balance regional equity. So as you saw earlier, the smart providers receive have received an overwhelming proportionate amount of the funding. So in 2024, we did have to fund a very competitive project for the DDOT program. That does not mean it's going to be that way every year. That's why we reopen the process and continue to talk about how we can best do this. So this is the breakdown between 23 and 24. You can see again, the vehicle replacement is again, the number one thing we're trying to do mobility management, we were able to find a good chunk of sub recipient, what I call CPP, operations, and 23. But in 24, we, we did find a DDOT project that project is to do to pilot same day paratransit service for the next two years in the DDOT service area. And that's the first funding for the city of Detroit in the last three to four years. And I think, going forward, so again, we're updating the the planning process and process. Some of the things I really want to focus on. I know our team does simplifying the application process. The small providers don't have time to fill out applications in triplicate, not that we're asking them to do that. But how can we simplify the process and just and make the money flow a lot better, more focus on KPIs and identifying regional impact, we have kind of a broad programming focus, but we want to focus a little bit more on ridership and on time performance, and what value are we getting out of these services for the region? We want to speed up programming delivery, how do we get the funding out to sub recipients a lot more quickly. We're open to discussing with smart sub recipient management and how that works. And then making sure all of this is ready for the next time the feds come and make sure we're doing all the things we need to do. So with that, I can take any questions. Thank you, Ben. Miss chambers? Oh,
one additional question is the $5 million of pretty flat over the last years and going forward.
Yeah, it's been it's been pretty flat, the 20 to 2024, we actually saw a slight reduction, because that is formula money that is tied to population. So that $5 million, used to be a little closer to six, it's a little closer to five. So we actually had to take about a $500,000 cut. In the 2024 program, the RTA took that out of the mobility management stuff that we manage, we didn't take that away from any buddy else. We just We just ate that one. So that is because our population is remaining flat, and everybody else is growing. So when we see the governor put a population growth piece forward, there's actual real implications for transit, we saw similar reductions that are 5307 funding. So Gotcha.
Anyone anything else? Ben threw out there today. And then we'll open up to questions.
I just we have an action item they just wanted to present on. Appreciate
that. It's a resolution that's in the packet, if I'm not mistaken. Yes. And itemizes the project descriptions for fiscal year funding 2024. That is in front of the board today.
So yes, so staff recommends Board approval of the resolution authorizing FY 2024 50 through 10. Program and projects. Smart applies on behalf of our sub recipients for FTA, section 5310 funding annually. The FTA requires a program of projects be submitted with that grant application. So that's what you see in this agenda item. An FTA. Section 5310. Total of $2,516,605 is included in this program of projects. And we're available to answer any questions you may have about that list.
Ian, thank you so much. Appreciate that. Any comments from members of the board on the resolution? Ben, I have one more question. If you don't mind real quick, I very much appreciate the outreach that you and the members of the board for Macomb County have had with regards to this. As we've discussed, candidly, I think there's been a little bit of friction of this with some of the reliance that there is from a number of our community, community providers on these 5310 funds. We understand that these are formulaic based on population and all those other wonderful things that the federal government prescribes in these elements. But I think that there's a growing demand here, not only with regards to the aspirations of our community providers, and I think a considerable amount of creativity that's being brought forward with these proposals. So I just want to not only highlight that while we are very much appreciative of the creativity that's coming in with DDOT and a number of the other capital aspirations that are out there with replacement. I think this is an area where we're going to continue to want to not only work with the RTA to explore and understand how we're going to advocate for additional dollars that whether that's something that we've got to throw chairs at people that work in DC, or have some persuasive conversations on that front. I also very much want to thank both Ryan and harmony on our teams for their inventiveness and finding some of the solutions for community providers. Because of some of the interest in funding some of the other areas from some of our regional providers, there's been some strain, that whether it's enriched only let Nanak CMS or some of the other things that have had to go by the wayside. Smart has done a tremendous job and picking up the slack in some of those areas. And while that's provided a little bit of strain with us, I think that we are very much interested to see how this technical working group goes with what this coordinated plan looks like moving forward, but most importantly, how we may be able to advise our friends at the state and federal level to maybe seed some other operations to lessen the concern on that end. So I know I just said a lot of things that are in agreeance, and very much in line with some of the things that we've discussed candidly, but very much would appreciate our TAs attention on them. Yeah.
Well, can I just pick you back? A minute? Maybe you have another question. So if the $5 million comes to us based on a formula of a population formula, I'm assuming of our region, does the $5 million go out? based on population? No,
it does not go up based on population. But the formula includes different population metrics, and it only looked at the urbanized area of the region. So if you assume that any of the providers that were funding are outside the urbanized area defined by the Census, you'd have to look at had that boundary. So are
there areas in Oakland and Macomb and Wayne that are outside the urbanized areas?
Yes, absolutely.
That charge that was in here included independence. So I'm assuming they're not outside of the urbanized areas.
They're probably half and a half. I don't have my map. And I mean, can't
get outside of the urbanized areas. And Brandon, I don't know where are you?
Right. Yeah.
So when we were traveling and Brandon.
So that's, that's one of the issues. I think one of the things we can discuss during during the 53 time when we're really looking at this is is using a different formula is something we want to do. How do we want to come at this, at the end of the day, I couldn't agree more with with the chair that we need more money for the pod, I mean, look at that slide. And that's, again, probably 60% of the people that have come to try and get funding $5 million a year isn't going to get us where we need to go. And things
like this all of the time. But when we think about the millage money, yeah, you know, you are getting service based on the millage that you pay in. So if you were going to tell us how much of this money was spent in Oakland, Wayne and Macomb what would that breakdown? Be?
I don't have those numbers in front of me. But so I don't want to answer that question directly without it without having the numbers.
Ben, if you can give us a little bit of overview that whether it's historically I mean, obviously shredded the pie chart, which illustrated the smarter, smart share broken down into Openweight? Yeah, just yeah, we can see the providers where they've maybe enhanced some funding, maybe we were been successful. And the other thing is, is Hillary what I'm kind of thinking to is how the could that help us maybe coordinate some of these things, not only with regards to fiscal year 2024. But as you're seeking input in this new coordinator process, if there's an opportunity for us to look at like communities, join some of the townships or even some of the Noda WOTO stuff with some of the conversations we're having with our townships. I think that can maybe help us put together some more robust proposals and access some additional funding
or transit step. It's like the one that jumps out at me is independence, right? Because Noda is now doing a pilot providing service in independence. So I'm not sure if this amount predates that, or they're transferring this money to Noda
that's we have to that's probably not 2020 for money. That's the history of the program as my as my guests. So that's, that's a great point. So one of the things that was happening during this programming was that the Oakland County millage and the changes associated with that was kind of at its infancy. So we now have a few years to understand the impact of that funding, what those providers are doing. But again, to the chairs point, they're growing. The you know, the providers in Macomb County are growing and want to grow. The city wants to everybody everybody wants to grow in this space. So we have to be able to
see I don't want you know, Macomb to make I mean, the thing that we're learning is at some point we have to rationalize all of these community based services. Yeah, yeah. You know, so that like, I mean, smart is doing this. For example, I know when I go to the Hazel Park Recreation Center, there's three smart buses sitting out in the parking lot most of the time. I'm sure it's very useful for them when they're using them to drive see yours to different events. But should those vehicles be available for other service? Sure. So everyone likes to have their own little service, but is that providing them is that the most efficient use of our vehicles in our, in our service. So we have to just think through as we're funding, the local programs are really encouraging more providers at the expense of someone who could provide more efficient service if they
were doing
it out of broccoli. So Hillary,
I think the prime one on this list for us is MCA that's been a legacy agency that's done a tremendous amount of coordinated transportation services. And while we've done great work for those individuals that access the Community Services Programs at the county, we know that there's some bandwidth to not only expand, but also partner with some of those local providers. As we know, Richmond, Lennox EMS is now coming in to be the provider in Clinton Township, which is where we house the majority of our MCA services. So I think these are some of those elements that as we're trying to carve out the influence we can have on this and bring Ben in teams some more, I guess, robust proposals, it can give us an opportunity to not only target more dollars, but illustrate how we tie that into the horsepower of smart proper to. So Ben, thank you for your willingness to get yelled at for this.
This is this was fine. This is the first time I've ever been from the smartboard by the way, so yeah, we're here to yeah, whatever you guys need. X. Thanks. Appreciate that. Ben
and, Ian, we do have a request from staff. If I could the chair could please receive a motion to approve the resolution for our smart fiscal year 2024 5310 program of projects been moved or supported. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any oppose? The and thanks for hanging out? Appreciate it. And then thank you very much. All righty. We are going to let her de resolution for authorization of a contract for Domain Name Service Management Software subscription. Mel, how are we doing today? Doing
well doing well? What do we need? Do we have to do a motion first?
Can I get a motion please? So moved removed? Supported? Okay, excellent. Staff
recommends Board approval for the resolution authorizing the purchase of DNS software. All networks utilize domain name services or DNS. The DNS service responsibility is to translate website names such as smart moves us.org into an IP address that is utilized to traverse the Internet. The software we are purchasing it for this project will provide the necessary security functions that harden our DNS and protect our network. This is to be done at a cost not to exceed $176,547.60. This project is funded with operating funds. I'm available to answer any questions.
Thank you for the information Mal. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. We're gonna move on to letter E a resolution for authorization of an award for contract for firewall software protection, three year renewals, prescriptive subscriptions, you can have a motion please. So moved and moved. Supported Mal. Number two
staff recommends the approval of the resolution authorizing the purchase of software, a firewall software and a cost not to exceed 316,790 cents. This project is funded with operating funds.
Thank you, Mel, any discussion from members of the board on this item? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Now let's try to go three for three here on letter F resolution award for revenue contract amendment with STC five LLC for the cellular tower site at the Wayne terminal. Can I get a motion? The moved support been supported? Now?
All right, Staff recommends Board approval for the resolution authorizing a revenue contract amendment for the sailor tower at the wing terminal. The expected revenue for the first 12 months of this agreement is $49,200. I'm available to answer any questions you may have.
We get about five more tower. Dry so excellent. See no further discussion. All those in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you Now we're gonna move on to letter H I believe the ratification of contract for digital sign licensing and support Mr. Bert, how are we doing today sir?
I'm doing fine and yourself.
No complaints,
habits
Can I get a motion please? So moved in second.
All right, it is recommendation that the board adopts attach resolution authorizing the award of a contract for digital sign licensing and support for the 32 inch bus stop shelter signs to connect point this is a two year contract with no renewal options at a total cost of 76,000 to $720. Any questions?
Any questions and the 32 inch centers side? Seeing none all those in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. We're gonna move on to letter I a correction for the ratification of a clerical error for towing services authorization, can I get a motion please? So moved, moved. And supported support is the
recommendation that the board adopts that the board adopts the attached resolution to correct a clerical error made in the March 23 2023 board resolution to increase the project authorization amount for primary tool and services were Boulevard and Trumbull but option years one and two, two the corrected amount not to exceed $222,000 for each option year. Along with this recommendation, I would like to inform the board on the progress to procure three tow trucks. The maintenance department has begun the process identify funding sources and drafted the specifications and ternal review of their specifications scheduled to be completed August 15 2024. The solicitation will be published online for vendor review and bid submission on August 21st 2024. And will remain open for four weeks followed by the evaluation process. Once the value of eight evaluation process is completed, I'll be able to give you a confirmed date on delivery. Thank you, Mr. questions.
Any questions? Dr. Emery,
what would you make to
the nature of the clerical error? Sir?
What was actually said?
What was the nature of the clerical error?
Looks like we approved one at Q five but we needed
to 22. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, we approve. Are you guys approved? Sean Reifel. Vice President procurement. What was approved originally was 180 to 250. And that was the original amount. You guys that the board approved an increase of 21 to 22%. But we didn't follow through with a increase in the authorized amount. It was just the rates that were increased. It's probably a good catch.
Yeah, we'll fix that one. Excellent. That won't just be a rounding error. Seeing no further discussion, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. We are moving on to letter J. Ratification payment for purchases with WW Granger for small tools, maintenance, repair and operations supplies and fasteners. Can I get a motion please? So moved and moved. Supported?
Mr. Bert? Yes, is the recommendation that the board adopts the attached resolution ratifying payment for purchases with WW Granger for small tools and fasteners for the maintenance department with an additional amount not to exceed $65,000 Through June 30 2024. Any questions?
Any questions from members of board? Seeing no discussion? All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you spirit appreciate. Thank you. Excellent. Now we're gonna move on to letter k a ratification of payment for services rendered for the strategy and for adept six software maintenance. Can I get a motion? Mo? Supported Danny, how are we doing today, sir?
Good. How are you? No complaints. Good. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of the Board staff is recommending Board approval for the resolution authorizing payment to adapt strategies and systems in the amount of $66,633.33. In 20, June of 2023, the board approved a contract to strategies and systems to replace the DEP six software with the dept IQ. That project is still ongoing. We have not formally officially switched over to IQ. However, in the meantime, we needed to have a maintenance contract to support a DEP six and this $66,633.33 would be payment for that. So services rendered.
Excellent. Thank you, Danny any discussion from members of the board? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes.
Thanks, Danny. Appreciate
it. Next we're gonna go on to H I J K L. I get to hear ratification approval of the smart Equal Employment Opportunity policy. Is there a presentation there is no presentation is coming up where I'm funding.
Chair and members of the board every four years or as major changes occur in the workforce or employment conditions. Smart is required by FTA to submit an updated equal employment opportunity and affirmative action plan that includes a signed and dated EEO policy statement issued by the agency's General Manager. Staff recommends the board approval of the amended EEO policy statement to reflect Tiffany Gunter, Deputy General Manager as the EEO compliance officer. staff is available to answer any questions. Thank you, Candace.
Appreciate it. Any conversation or comments from members of the board? Seeing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. The chair would entertain a motion to enter into closed session please. And we will need a roll call vote.
VICE CHAIRPERSON
when a motion first.
Moved support supported
roll call please.
VICE CHAIRPERSON John Paul Ray. Yes. Not to criticize or
negotiation. We will be heading into closed session to discuss discuss ongoing negotiations.
Thank you. Sorry. That I agree. Yes, that's a she I'm sorry. Interest. Sheila Cote. Yes. Mr. Pruitt raising? Salary chambers?
Yes. Excellent. All right. We're gonna head into closed session. Thank you.
Um
I'm going to gavel because I have a gavel when we have a quorum, so do that on that and All righty, so any board member business to discuss any board member business to discuss Seeing none the chair would entertain a motion to adjourn been moved. been supported all those in favor, please signify