We have the service. And it is seven o'clock. So it's your whole
Yes, I did send that to them.
Not yet. I gotta let Garrett call it and we'll do the countdown.
Okay, good evening was the zoning Board of adjustment. And before we officially start the meeting, we need to square in a new member Mr. Ryan laggy nerve and working member. Barbara, would you please raise your right hand in the room and
I'm going to begin with I'm going to start with the word Hi. And then I'm going to pause and when I after I say hi and we're going to do this twice. me just take your name independently. Okay.
Hi, Fargo Grande.
Hi, Ryan Wagner. It's only swear or affirm.
You solemnly swear or affirm, do solemnly swear or affirm, you can do this simultaneously, that I will support the Constitution. I also support the constitution of the united states of the United States, in the Constitution, and the constitution of the state of New Jersey,
And I will bear
and allegiance to this day. And the
same into the government established
in the United States, in the United States.
And in this state.
The authority of the people
is already of the people. But one more time it's a little shorter, but slightly different. I
solemnly swear or affirm
that I will faithfully and
impartially and justly partially and justly,
all the duties perform all the duties
of member of the zoning Board of adjustment
adjustment of the township of Bloomfield
according to the best of my ability
to the best of my ability,
Nicole will have individual affidavits which she will have to decline by.
Call, please send them the affidavits to be signed in return. They're gonna immediately sign in front of a notary public. I am a notary public. So maybe you could just meet her in town hall briefly
or something and get it signed. Okay, I got it. Great. Thank you. Thank you.
And welcome to our new member congratulations.
welcome the zoning Board of adjustment of the township of boonville is now in session for the regular meeting of January 28 2021. Notice so the time date, location and gender of this means you sent them now providing a 48 hours prior to commencement of this meeting. Man with this
Now because circumstance
will be held.
not she said. Let's see what happened.
two parts the first part, are you
Any other nominations for the
motion is second. Especially.
Mr. Prince? Yes. Mr. Valmiki. Yes. Miss Wagner.
Was that Mr. Director? Who was that Mr.
Okay Miss Brown
Johnson Yeah. Friends
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committee came up with
regarding planner 123
professional planners, the board unanimously came up with initially
and for traffic engineer
there were 123 proposals submitted. They were submitted by CME associates, right view engineering and negly engineering associates and you have to complete review of all the proposals board unanimously
The right view engineering.
board. Let's take the recommendation for 31st. The committee recommended in for law, Michael Rubin LLC.
Does anyone else have another additional nomination for that position?
Here we know one
lecture but for
somebody to move in.
Yes, Mr. garlicky. Yes. Mr. Wagner? Yes. Mr. Stivers? Yes, Chairman Michalski? Yes.
I want to thank the board is approved
Mr. Professional planet awards. Today's recommendation initially word. Is there any other any other nominations for that position?
here no one is presented before the board regarding the
Miss Brown? Yes. Mr. Johnson? Yes, Mr. Prince? Yes. Mr. Baum? Nikki? Yes. Mr. Wagner. Yes. Mr. Stivers? Yes, Chairman Michalski. Yes. Congratulations, Mr. Woods.
Thank you. I'll echo the comments of my colleagues, Ms. RUBIN is maroochy. And thank the board for a privilege and Senator another year. So thank you very much.
brings us the traffic engineer. The board's recommendation, the committee's recommendations the board excuse me, brightview. Engineering, or any other nominations board?
During no one that's the center please call the board regarding both.
Miss Brown. Yes. Mr. Johnson? Yes, Mr. Praise? Yes. Mr. Bell, Nikki? Yes. Mr. Wagner? Yes. Mr. Stivers? Yes, Chairman Michalski. Yeah.
I think we've overlooked the secretary.
We always saved the best for last chairman. Always.
a nomination for
I can turn the machine
on wants to
nominate Nicole Cosenza support secretary. We have a second. Oh, second. Look at that. Now you're jumping now? You're all jumping in? Look at this. Mr. Mr. Prince first.
Yes. Mr. Johnson? Yes, Mr. Prince? Yes. Mr. Bell, Nikki? Yes. Mr. Wagner? Yes. Mr. Stivers? Yes, Chairman Michalski. Yes. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. You're welcome.
Back to Ireland,
which is restoration of a resolution.
So let's start with the resolutions
memorializing decisions taken by this board.
I'll start with
and I'll say this once all of these resolutions have been distributed reward in advance and draft them for you to comment
on comments have been
So the first one is the resolution the application of the retreat centers 405 site plan for conditional use
on July 1 2018 inside of us 7083 students can profit from various different things and they also told us on 5570 safer tests of law coverage and aside from the parking use permit the conversion of second floor office space into three to better residential meals resulting in a net commercial residential use, which is a permitted conditional use in a business case for property located in Franklin Street block 435. A lot to work with anyone have any comments or discussion regarding a resolution?
Okay, it's it could either be Mr. Valmiki, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Prince Mr. Stivers or Chairman Michalski that makes the motion
I'll make the motion every
That was Mr. Johnson. Okay.
Okay, Mr. Valmiki? Yes, Mr. Johnson? Yes, Mr. Prince? Yes. Mr. Stivers? Yes, Chairman Michalski.
Next is the resolution marriage application
that works on the low end for families for a 40 hour week designed for children njsa 4455 v dash 40 v four is
called 55 vs 70 C for watch covers building coverage inside yard setback in relation to the construction in relation to the rear of a single family dwelling property located at 49 James
Watt 577 Mark 35.
Any discussion or comments regarding this?
One man resolution to approve motion to approve this resolution. The same members, Mr. Valmiki Mr. Johnson, Mr. Prince Mr. Stivers or Chairman Michalski. I'll make a motion to approve the resolution. Mr. Stivers?
I'll second. Mr. Belman.
Mr. Bell, Nikki. Yes. Mr. Johnson. Yes, Mr. Prince? Yes. Mr. Stivers. Yeah. Chairman Mycoskie. Yeah.
Next resolution resolution. Now the application of Rebecca Shaco and that is us Somali are down to serve as a 40 columns, by the SMC to permit installation of a four foot open picket fence and a front yard. Okay, got 34
this one can either be Mr. Bao Nikki, Miss Brown, Mr. Prince Mr. Stivers or Chairman Michalski.
I made the motion
I'll make a second. I'll second Mr. chairman for 10 seconds.
Okay, Mr. Valmiki? Yes, Miss Brown? Yes, Mr. Prince? Yes, Mr. cybers? Yes, Chairman Michalski? Yes.
That brings us to Revelation in the matter of the application of firewalls on Android on a dime. nj sa 40 calling 55 D 33. Mistake number six foot fence on the side to side of property located at Johnston Avenue block 970
I already sent an email to Mike that should read nine Johnson so he's gonna make that correction
any other comments
during no one that I have a motion to approve this resolution progression as national. This could be either Mr. Bao Nikki Miss Brown, Mr. Prince Mr. Stivers or Chairman Michalski.
I'll make that motion.
Mr. Valmiki? Yes, Miss Brown. Yes, Mr. Prince. Yes. Mr. Stivers? Chairman michalsky.
the resolution on the matter of the application of Angelica
can't view oh no mucho forbearance of consumed ngfa 4155. DJ 73 for the lack of garage parking, a rear yard setback deviation to permit the expansion of an attached garage and conversion to living space and the construction
of a property located at 47 Oak Ridge Road. Block 1188.
no one may I have a motion to approve this resolution? This one could either be Mr. Valmiki, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Stivers or Chairman Michalski.
I'll make that motion.
Okay, Mr. Bell, Nikki? Yes, Mr. Johnson? Yes, Mr. Stivers? Yes, Chairman Michalski. Yes.
Motion carried motion carries application.
Next resolution is the resolution the amount of applications that bind investments LLC is going to go set that is going to send me a loss of 40 pounds 55 vs 70 is the method construction of two second for dealing with expanding a single family beyond property located in New Orleans 935.
This one could be either Mr. Bao Nikki Mr. Johnson, Mr. Stivers or Chairman michalsky.
Chairman I move to approve the resolution.
Resolution so second.
Okay, Mr. Baum? Nikki? Yes, Mr. Johnson? Yes, Mr. Stivers? Yes, Chairman Michalski. Yes.
a resolution amount of the application Jessica ratios again needless to say Benjamin is a pretty calm but because we are 78 million inflation of a 4.5 foot open picket fence
as a property located at
12 well 15 Broad Street block
very discussion regarding this
This one could be either Mr. Bao Nikki, Miss Brown, Mr. Prince Mr. Stivers or Chairman Michalski.
Mr. Valmiki Yes, Miss Brown?
Mr. Prince? Yes, Mr. Stivers? Yes, Chairman Michalski? Yes.
The resolution of the application
njsa 4455 d bush 70 C for the lack of garage parking.
permits the conversion of a single family dwelling into a three family as long as the r1 a single family residence. were kicked out.
property located at 31.
this one could be either Mr. Bao Nikki Mr. Johnson, Mr. Prince Mr. Stivers or Chairman Michalski.
I'll make that motion, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Second.
Mr. Bell, Nikki? Yes. Mr. Johnson? Yes, Mr. Prince? Yes. Mr. Stivers? Yeah, Chairman michalsky. Yeah, motion carries application.
We have two letters of communication, requesting adjournments of items that are on the agenda for this evening.
The first one I have the forming here is regarding 59 dodge street
block only for last 2728 30 to 31 hours from the attorney representing the applicant. Mr. Marion has he and
he requests that we
hearing for this application to the regular meeting of February 11 20.1. Without any further greatest public notice required by the applicant.
This announcement tonight at a public meeting meets the legal requirements for notice.
The reason for this request is
one of the experts is scheduled to testify another matter and whether there's
any discussion board
motion to adjourn the application for 59 God's treat to the regular meeting of February 11 2021. Without further notice, be required. And I might also note that those applications waiting time.
the move there for a second. I'll second.
Okay, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye.
Dodds is adjourned 11th 2021 to 7pm no further notice.
And I have another letter before me.
This one is regarding to 24 Boyd street block 513 last 37. She
the attorney for that applicant Mr. shaiya is requesting that we adjourn the application to the regular meeting of February 11.
wastes time constraints and
requests that no further notice be required because we're making an announcement tonight at an open public meeting.
And the reason is because he realizes that they are far down I will not get to them this evening. Funding for toys. I must show you waste of time.
go to my favorite undergrad program this evening. Any discussion?
I have a motion to adjourn
on February 23.
I like that motion.
All in favor, please say aye. Aye.
No one opposed the motion is motion carries.
24, breastfeed is charged February 11th 2014, without any requirements.
This is item
three, which is upcoming applications for engaging our experts, the word planner or voice backup.
And the first one to consider is 50. Barbara Street. And I've looked over this application board as far as I can determine
that there are only four guys involved. CBI
appears to me there's no reason to engage to the planet Earth rather than anyone else have a different opinion.
Did they have it marked as he used bearings? No.
That doesn't make sense.
Mr. Chairman, if I don't have to
interject. I also agree we don't need a planner or traffic on this. But I would like to, just for the record, say the engineer's report is going to be very, very important on this application. So I wanted to make that comment. Okay.
All right, so we will not retain experts on 50 Fargo Street.
there was an engineer's report, and I want to report for the next meeting. And
that brings us to the second application to consider and this is 160 Willard Avenue. And this is
an r1 base single family zone and the proposal is to convert that to a two family dwelling
and a discussion board as to whether we should
use the chairman traffic or planning experts.
Mr. Chairman, that that's not the application that I have reviewed. I have not written a report on it yet but 160 Willard Avenue is a violation where they constructed a to z Bo, which has zoning issues only violations if there is no application for two family Nicola
I don't have it in front of me it seems odd that both of the ones I had on for use variances are turning out not to be used variances. I have to double check the applications in the office. They they checked off few spares but it's a single family home and they actually it's a violation. Mr. Chairman, they already constructed it. Okay. I don't want to get into the details. But that's
so they marked off us family and that's why for us and looking at the details I gathered that it was a two family.
I reviewed the application I did not write a report yet because I noticed that there was something lacking in there and I Nicola knows this. I asked the applicant to submit a new survey, but it's it's pregnancy Zeebo. That is oversized, over the height
and in the front yard. So it's it's it there see berries.
I look at it again, but I don't see a two family on the application.
I'll double check it. So
this is going to be on the November on the on February 11. Agenda. So
yeah, like two weeks from now. We can figure this out. Yes.
I'll have a report that is for March.
All right. And I will look at it again. I looked at it this afternoon and I
I thought it was a two family conversion. So I will look at it again. And so we'll put up a decision on this board. And so on the other side of the spectrum, all I can tell you is that I have the application for 161 in front of me and there's a supporting statement from the applicant. And item B says number of existing and proposed dwelling units and the properties in one family residence. No proposed dwelling, you
proposing to add any drawing is
on the second page of the application at the top where it says present use and proposed use. What does it say now?
is in use backyard proponents develop the name and nature of use square gazebo recreational use, okay.
there see there it says, Mr. Chairman.
So they're not up until March, right? Yeah. Let's put this on the 25th is to nail this one down. I'll look at it again. And see where they mistake. And he's listed as an application to be considered an exclusive. You got it?
You're on the next Do you want it on the 11th? Or the 25th? Okay.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I have for the organization appointments, we took care of that.
Five is established a special meeting for February 25 20.1.
As I'm sure you're all aware of the board's agenda is quite full. And we have many applications pending in the sense of hold the war and determine that February 25 would be a good day for a special meeting to try to move
less complicated applications for that special name. Now we're moving to a new time consuming applications for regular February 11.
already mentioned about February. So may I have a motion to establish a special meeting on February 25 2009?
I made that motion.
Sense of spending money.
Okay, Miss Brown? Yes. Mr. Johnson? Yes, Mr. Prince? Yes. Mr. Valmiki? Yes. Mr. Wagner? Yes. Mr. Stivers? Yes, Chairman Michalski? Yes.
February 2016. Under old business is the application of the x God LLC as applicant and owner for preliminary and final major site plan approval. Alternatively use conditions
such as may require the zoning board
to construct a new four story mixed use building in both a neighborhood B to business zone a residential
to family rfmd zone the premises known as map six block 94 block one and block 94 lat for a better number 55 large Street and 22 dash 24
Everyone here is qualified including our new member Mr. Wagner. He signed a certification he watched the December meeting and listened to the testimony so he is eligible to vote as well.
Seven voting members
we actually have eight but Yes,
Miss Brown, but she's the alternate.
Seven people that Miss Fowler is not there, yet.
I apologize. That's right I counted hers present. You're absolutely right. We have seven witness brown 1234567 correct.
We have seven so Miss Brown will be voting as well.
We have seven and just for the information Members this is
five votes, which is why most applicants
I just want to double check there's a couple of people on here through phone numbers. I just want to make sure that they're not missed Oliver
the application of free x dot LLC
Good evening, I have a technical problem of all the other phones you have my apologies. Something went awry with my laptop and I can't get into the zoom meeting. But I've obviously prepared to go ahead dates. I'm like elbow
fitness the gas volumes a little.
We will look at to see that handsome face.
We'll look at
the volume any better. It's just clearly
Yeah, turn yours off because I can hear him. Okay. Over here on this as I hear I'm fine.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members and board counsel David Robert jatheon. As you know, the army Casio Ramapo.
544 Union Avenue as well, Bill.
I represent the assets that it manages dot LLC. My clients are the owners of 25 large and all properties if I were to propose 51 units, will we be built in the group. This is a second hearing with regard to his application. At the first hearing Eli full of reactions testify as it proves to be the architect. After questioning the architect by the board requested we requested in the journey. During the questioning by the board members raised various issues including but not limited to the number of units, the either the structure, the parking and loading and unloading. My client and the professionals that revised the drawing as a result of those incentives board
is our opinion. And we hope the board agrees that we have addressed your concern. My client
luminary and final major site plan approval, in addition to both a huge marriage really in order to construct a 36 unit proposed mixed use building. The property is located in the FY two and RTA job. The mixed use is not permitted in the RTA and it is a conditional use in the feed to vote. The witnesses you'll hear from tonight are Bruce ed to go over the changes. He obviously testified the first time and you did not hear from any of the others. That's Mike Petri, the site engineer, Alexandra handle. The traffic engineer and Steve widen the planet. I'd like to call my first witness Mr. Steve.
raise your right hand? Do you swear? The testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? And you state your name for the record? My name is Bruce speedy St. ie. I'm a architect and principal in the firm are generally good CB architects.
The chair Mr. Steve, you've qualified last time. I don't want you to walk me through the qualifications that correct. Now the board recognizes Mr. sandeels, an expert in
the city as a result of the board.
Did you meet with your client and discuss shape the play? Yes, I did.
Have those changes been incorporated and submitted to the board? Yes, they have
Can you please start by reviewing the changes at the basement level? Yes, I can.
I'm going to begin by sharing my screen. Okay.
Last time, his entire PowerPoint presentation was Mark as a one. On my, it seems to me that this mark is revised presentation is a two
by one name.
Thank you. And this h2 submission contains the site plan set that was submitted the revised site plan set that was submitted, and it was dated
115 2021. It is titled zoning board comments. In addition to that, there are a few exhibits in there that are also new exhibits that I'll be sharing with you tonight. And I will note them when we get to those.
So you can see all
right, you can see my screen.
Yeah. Okay, so this is the presentation for this evening
to try and make that a little larger.
this is the cover sheet. And basically, this just shows a revised elevation on the front cover, and it shows in a revised location map at the bottom of the page.
Okay, please review that basement level floorplan of stars sorry about my computer problem, no problem. So
after, after we met with you all, we went back regrouped and started to think about ways that we can improve the project based on your comments and concerns. And starting with the basement gland,
we've expanded the parking in the basement by six spaces. It's now 42 parking spaces.
And one of the reasons that we did that was we were looking to
better accommodate move ins on the upper level. So we wanted to some of the parking spaces were on the upper level down into the basement parking level. And we've
identified these 42 parking spaces as being used for residential parking so there'll be assigned to residents.
The residents will access this parking, basement parking level off of Lawrence street through a garage door, that garage door will be nine feet tall, that will allow handicap access into the basement levels.
And again, parking spaces there previously, there were 36 parking spaces in the basement. Now we're proposing 42 parking spaces in the basement.
the ground level Plan G. Yes, sir.
on the ground floor, with the increased parking in the basement, we located a few parking spaces to generate a offstreet a loading area. But before I go into that,
I'll begin by saying that in addition to
the parking concerns of the board, one of the concerns of the board was the density of the project the project was previously 50 units, we have reduced the building to provide 36 units. And how we did that was we removed the projection of the building into the rear yard if you remember there was a portion of the building that extended into the rear yard here. And then there was a covered portion of the building that was in this location that covered the parking area and that kind of an amenity deck.
So with the reduction of the units,
we were able to eliminate the projection into the rear yard of the building, eliminate the covered amenity area, which allowed us to create a loading area in the back of the parking in the back of the building in the parking area. That loading area is access to all the Arch Street.
That loading area will accommodate deliveries for retail deliveries for residential, it will be able to accommodate move ins and move outs for the project and it will be able to accommodate trash pickup and collection from the building trash and recycle.
vehicles will be able to come down on our street enter into the driveway. They can pull into the parking area and back into a loading space. That loading space is convenient access to
detail surface area. For the trash holding area for residential trash, it also has access directly into the lobby, or moved in with access to an elevator directly from the rear of the building. So this new loading zone accommodates all of those functions, and also allows me to close people indirectly and pull out directly so there's no backing in across the sidewalk of service vehicles to the project.
As a result of those adjustments, there, the retail space actually grew a little bit however, the space that it grew into, which is really dedicated to retail service, it's not really functional retail space, but it allows access to that loading zone that's in this location back in here. So the retail increased to 5100 square feet.
One of the benefits of the reduction in the building size by reducing that projection into the rear yard and increase the
net reduce reduced the encroachment to the residential buildings along our street.
Those that's the nature of the changes that were made to the ground.
I do want to save time I'm sorry I did want to say one more thing. Again with it with this the retail of the scale and size. We believe that this is a an appropriately scaled retail component for neighborhood retail and retail that will service this immediate neighborhood
and the parkway lofts development.
Maybe you discussed the 36 units that is the reduction to 36 units, would you review the residential floor? Sure.
So the second and third floor are the same footprint. And again, you'll remember we had a portion of the building that extended into the rear yard along the southern edge of the site, that piece has been removed. And now we have a double loaded corridor that lines the street Front Street front along the street front on the large Street.
There are 18
two bedroom units and 18 one bedroom units in the building now, prising The, the 36 units, we have seven two bedrooms and seven one bedrooms on the floor.
So that's for the second and third floor
you will go on you the fourth floor.
Before we do that, I'd like to review a new exhibit that we've prepared and that would be called x one and that is the slide that I have on the on the screen right now. And that is a slide showing what typical units might look like for this for this project development. And one of the things that we discussed is that we have
in our unit mix we have one bedroom units. Those one bedroom units range in size from 770 square feet to 825 square feet and they will be configured in a configuration similar you see on the upper left corner of this of this sheet. You would come in there's a kitchen area live in a dining area. There is a handicap accessible restroom facility. And then there is a bedroom with a pocket closet and a washer and dryer and every unit.
There are two units on each floor that are there in the
knuckle of the building. So it's a it's sort of a where the building bends there's a little bit of extra square footage that's deep and dark. Those units are going to be one bedroom dens
and they are approximately 890 square feet and 950 square feet so they're just a little bit big for a one bedroom unit. closing those as one bedroom den. The dens do not have closets in them. They do not have a door and they are they actually contain the washer and dryer as well for the for the unit and that unit is shown in the upper right hand corner of the sheet. Again you would come in there's a kitchen, living a dining area bedroom with a walk in closet and you'd have accessible bathroom and then again with the laundry.
At the bottom of the sheet we'll see a typical two bedroom unit. There are split bedrooms so the bedrooms are on either side of the living space.
On the left hand side you know the master bedroom and walk in closet right
hand side of the second bedroom, bathroom, kitchen living dining room.
Anything further with regard to those residential units? No, that is the those are the consider configurations for this project.
Then what you discover fourth floor vanity?
choice. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think this is going back this just point of clarification, this is not for the
revised plan set right. This is a separate exhibit. No, sir, this is a new exhibit. It was not a part of the submission chef mo Mark wanted to show you the general configuration of the units that we will be proposing. In my second request, humbly, is he just expanded for a moment, I found you But uh, oh, my students kind of symbol. Sure. I'm just gonna interrupt them. We're gonna mark this a three. And Mr. Stevens, when you have a moment after sometime this week or next week, send me a copy. I'll send the shoot tomorrow. Okay, perfect.
So, this is a blow up of the one bedroom unit.
Again now, so you can see again, the entrance into the living and dining area, and the kitchen. And we have the bathroom, a bedroom
with a washer and dryer each unit, a coat closet and a mechanical space.
panning over. Now you can see the one bedroom den unit. So we've got a kitchen, living dining bedroom, walk in closet for the bedroom, a handicapped bathroom, closet mechanical space. And then again, with the washer and dryer.
Coming down, I focus in on the two bedroom unit, master bedroom to the left of the walk in closet and master bathroom, kitchen, living in dining area, second bedroom, washer dryer, handicapped bathroom, chemical closet.
Thank you. And then you made a comment about how one of these unit type ologies fits into a particular area. And that's where I want a bit. Okay, so I'm going to just zoom out here.
So I'm going to go back one floor, and I'm going to zoom in to this plan. So again, you go but if you remember that the building follows the straight line, so DOD angles off from Lawrence. And so what happens is in this angle where the corner bends, there's some deep space that
that we want to make use of. And so for that in those two locations, there's one on the upper,
the upper center section of the page and then there's one of the lower section diagonally across from that those two units which are on the larger side of a one bedroom become these one bedroom den unit
would you please move on with regard to the fourth fourth discussion and humanity so now so I'm sorry,
on the fourth floor, so again, and with the
with the reduction of the building footprints, we were removed the amenity terrorists from the area over the parking garage. However, now we've added it in again on the fourth floor. So at the back of the site, where units are once on the lower floors, now we've provided the outdoor lounge area for the residents of the building.
So again, this will be a roof tip Barris it'll have a planter similar to what we discussed last time at the edge to protect and obscure visually from the neighbors across the street.
And then adjacent to that is an amenity space of about 2000 square feet that will contain a gym, work a fitness center for the residents and then a lounge area for the residents that opens onto the roof terrace. And that becomes an amenity for the building and then the residential units back to the units down below.
And is there a roof plan you want to discuss with the board? Yes, so the plan
is the next sheet.
The roof plan now, no longer has an amenity deck on the roof. We realized that we could consolidate all of those functions onto one floor. So we removed the ability to use the roof as outdoor amenity space for the residents.
Strictly from mechanical units,
and that's the bulkhead, the elevator. So there's nothing there's no habitable area on the roof anymore.
And when you go back to the amenities, and the roof terrace to you that again, I think, sure. So, again, on the fourth floor, that is where the amenities are occurring. So we have a terrace on the entity on the fourth floor adjacent to the amenity space that will be used by the residents.
And would you add, discuss the height and elevations and review how they relate to the other building in the area. I will. So go to the next slide.
Apologize, this is just an illusion. So.
So there's two things that happened since we last met. One thing that we did do went out and had a surveyor measure some of the basic properties so that we could be sure
that we were referencing
factual information. And then we could compare it to our building.
accurate. And so this is a view looking east along dodge Street, sorry.
Okay, so this is a view looking east along dodge Street. And these first two projects are adjacent to the elevated Parkway.
so this is this is nine dodge Street. And this is 17 dodge Street. And
so we had a person go out, they measured this building, the height of nine dodge Street, it's four and a half storey building, and it's 50 feet tall.
17 dodge street is a four storey building, it's 48 feet tall. And then just for note, the Tower of the church is 70 feet tall. So we generated a photo montage that shows the building in place. This is our proposed building. We've talked about this building as a gateway building to the watts testing center. To mark this is a four please. Yes. Okay, a four will be an existing photograph. And then a photo montage looking east on DOD Street.
I'll need a cop.
I need a copy of that is well, you bet I'll get you a copy of this entire presentation. Thank you perfect.
So one of the things that we we discussed at the last meeting was concerns about the height of the building.
When we went back and we discussed with our team,
we looked very closely at the engineering of the building and how the construction is going to work. And we were able to reduce the height of the building each floor we could reduce one foot out of the floor heights. And then on the ground floor, we're actually able to reduce to feet. So we're able to reduce the building height by five.
And so this rendering that you're seeing now represents the new building height. And I'll discuss that more as we go through these images. I have another photo montage, please the new building height. The new building height is it is 40 it's 44 feet 11 inches from average grade to roof.
Plus there is a three foot six inch parapet
so that if you were to measure from average grade to top of parapet, it would be 48 feet six inches.
And then there are a few articulations along the top of the building that extend beyond
so the next exhibit I have is again, a new exhibit. So for your eight a five
will be a key for how I marked that picture eight for this one that you're showing us should be a five five. Okay, so then I have another photo simulation. This is looking from DOD St. looking west. So we have 43 DOD which is a three storey building that is 40 feet tall. So from this cornice line to the street is 40 feet. See the church that is at 70 feet to the top of this spire and you have 17 and nine DOD in the distance which are for four and a half stories. So this is the existing condition
In superimposing the proposed conditions of the proposed project at 48 feet six inches from average grade to the parapet.
Any further discussion with regard to the elevations or the relationship the other buildings, I do have a couple more exhibits, I'd like to just I'll go quickly through them.
We have quickly. Well, we have the building elevations, which are part of the set that was submitted. And these will give you the technical definition. Florida floor dimensions and our building elevation dimensions. I noted before that the garage door will be a nine foot garage door, coming in off of
Again, we talked quickly last time about how the building is articulated into a modular rhythm across the facade using vertical
reading separated by bay windows that helps with the scale of the building along the street front.
Going to the next sheet, which is again, part of the submission package, it's eight of the submission package. And this is a this has a cross section. And this is where I can show you how the building works. This is a cross section through Lawrence Street. So this shows where you would come in and come down or ramp into the basement level of parking. This showed, if you'll remember before this back section of parking was covered, it's no longer covered, it's open that allows us to bring vehicles into the back of the site with the loading access, there is some parking spaces that are located
under the building. And then in the backyard. Those parking spaces we anticipate will be used by the retail employees or the retail and by visitors to the building.
This shows that we have a 13 foot floor to floor, the first floor, a 10 foot eight for the second and third floor and 11 feet eight for the top. And that allows us
to create room to get structure in the building and still maintain nine foot ceilings in the units
and allows us to get
a minimum of a 10 foot ceiling in the retail and lobby space. But depending on how the decoration of those retail spaces works, they can use exposed ductwork and they could have a 12 foot ceilings in the retail space if that was their preference.
This also has the new rear elevation. It shows how the building is back and how the I'm sorry, I'll show you up here. This is the roof terrace area or the amended terrorists. And so that shows up along the back of the building as well. There's a fence that wraps around the parking area, screening artists from
and then I just have a couple quick 3d vignettes that show the building in relation to the rest of the development that's existing and contemplated in the future in the surrounding neighborhood. So here you see the buildings that we saw on our photostimulation nine DoD and 17. DOD, we see 40 DOD. But then in addition to that, we see the proposed build out for cell loss. And you'll note that there's a four storey,
multi family residential building directly behind our property that's been approved for phase two of the parkway logs, along with townhouses and a clubhouse facility.
And then we also have beyond that, the Westinghouse project, which is a series of four storey buildings
that occupied the former site of the Westinghouse plant, and then there's also a project at 25 watt testing, which is right adjacent to the train station. And that building is also four storey building that you've
apologized on, I have the height on that one as well.
That is three feet as well.
So this kind of shows the context of past and future development. It also shows again and reinforces the idea that this project because of the bend in the roadway, and the approach from the west on DOD, as you're heading east, this really does become an iconic corner.
And I think that the architectural feature at that corner is appropriate and well thought
out for providing a gateway and an entrance to the walk testing train station and this really sort of unique retail corridor
next slide is again just a few feet down from God promised standing up about on the on the parkway looking east. And we see again the relationship building. We need to test memory needs more today. Seven. Okay. Then next morning at eight. Yes. I like it. Wait a minute, it should be six and seven. I thought
I thought this was Ace we would be on a six and seven not so what did I miss?
What was a six? Mike?
A five was the tide West view as it exists. caustics is the tide West with the superimposed new building? Okay. 87 is the rendering with Jason development why it says a five wars and blessing him in a rendering. Okay.
So, okay, if I think that this just shows how this building begins to fit into the neighborhood.
This is just, we just superimpose. So this is a nine, it's the same rendering. But I just put this the existing height of the steeple in there to help give a little bit of perspective on this.
This is a 10.
This is just a building view from the corner of DoD and Lawrence.
And then the next slide is a 11.
This is a slide looking south on Lawrence. So I'm standing on the opposite curb looking south on Lawrence. And again, this just helps show the relationship of the proposed building 243. And it also shows the proposed building in conjunction with the parkway loss in the distance. And then my final slide is again, just a view looking west on DOD going the relationship of 43 DOD to the proposed project. And that'll be
that'll be a 12 page.
Thank you. That concludes my presentation tonight.
Again, I just click
just going to say, again, I think that these improvements that were suggested by the board and its professionals have improved the project and I think it helps the project land in better with the surrounding context.
Good Chairman artifact, no further questions. And I'll be praying that little bit of a disadvantage for that having the screen by apology been done and turned over to the board for questions. Thank you. What's your CV? You can unshare the screen.
Mr. Chairman, I the question.
I was thinking about or listening to your discussion and having how you excuse me.
You adjusted the ceiling heights in the different units.
And then also the retail area in order to come in at what I think you said was 44 feet versus 50 feet. Use go over that again and explain what what the unit I think you said nine feet. Yes. And 10 in the retail. These I just want to make sure. Obviously, I'm very
pleased that you came made these design choices seem like they're very effective, and I liked them. And it does seem like it's more contextual and appreciate your efforts there. So I just wanted to make sure that
these guys won't feel cramped or, you know, once it's built, it's built so I just want to make sure I understand
how did we date this was in the basement I'm not quite sure does sound like growing a level.
So if you if you don't mind. Sure. Thanks.
Andy Can I think
We do many multifamily residential projects throughout the state of New Jersey, and other states. But
typical in this type of construction, this would be a wood frame building over a concrete podium or base. So the structure for the first, the structure for the elevations for the first floor
can be set a little bit differently than the residential floors. And we typically, in wood frame construction for a nine foot ceiling and a nine foot ceiling is I would call that a
standard ceiling height. And most units of many units are smaller than that they'll have eight foot ceilings. But nine foot ceiling is a an average ceiling height or a good ceiling height. Initially, we came in proposing a little bit taller ceilings for the project. So that was one area that we could reduce the height of the building. So we went down from a 10 foot ceiling to a nine foot ceiling. wood frame construction, typically would have a 20 inch floor joist system or a 20 inch structural system between the floors. And that would allow for adequate structure, adequate transitions for piping and hpac. As well as for sound control between the floors of the unit. So between floor of the unit above, and the ceiling of the unit below, and allows you enough room to handle any kind of mechanical that you need to
regard to the retail floor again, using a concrete system or a skill system.
He initially proposed a 15 foot floor to floor height.
And, again, that is a generous floor to floor height for for a retail space and a lobby space. So we were able to we could we believe we can reduce that. And it would be consistent with the retail floor heights, retail ceiling heights along that street. So and when I said 10 foot, that's a minimum ceiling height dimension. Again, if interior layout for the tenant spaces and get creative, they could actually increase that ceiling height to 11 or 12 feet if they wanted to leave maybe with the structure exposed,
So again, we believe what we've done is is taken
the price the building to its minimum dimensions.
Okay, and then just to clarify, one more point, you said that the sculptural elements are, that allows the noise dampening, you know, obviously between detail the residential areas, that still is the normal level that you would expect, so that you can have by it, and, you know, quality experience for the tenants, correct? Yes, that's exactly right.
Yeah, the system has to be fire rated as well, between the residential and the retail. So it's a more sophisticated structural system between the retail and residential floors.
Okay, well, thank you. Thank you.
I have a question as to Chairman,
Stevie, going back to the
parking garage on the ground level, where the trucks space that you have for the utility vehicles? Yes, I'm curious as to how wide or will the space station wider wide enough to have double vehicles or you only intended for one utility vehicle to be parked there at a time.
Within the loading space itself, we want to anticipate only one vehicle at a time. And again, that will be a management control. By the building management, they'll have to they'll have to schedule when deliveries can be made, that schedule and movements can happen. And obviously they'll they'll know when trash pickups are going to occur. So we anticipate that that will be
occupied by one oversized vehicle. Okay, we also think that there
will most likely be available parking spaces that a UPS truck or an Amazon van might pull in to,
to occupy while they unload into the to the residential for those kind of deliveries. Okay, just curious about that. And that area also will be open to the newbie, no structure above that area. That's correct. And again, that as part of our studies on how to reduce the building height, one of the things that we looked at was when we take that amenity terrace and move it up to the fourth floor that allows us to remove that amenity terrorists and leave that open to the air so that it would be able to accommodate garbage trucks and moving vans and things of that nature.
without having any overhead pediments. Okay, thank you. Thank you.
Mr. Chairman. I have one question. And that's
Thank you. Mr. Stevie. Thank you for appreciate you taking the input from the last testimony that I have reviewed the, especially in the garbage removal. Upon reviewing the plans, I just wanted to know how large or wide are the doors, the double doors that lead out from the Trash Room, those will be minimum six foot, they'll be two, three foot doors, so it'll be able to open up to six feet in width. And that will be also for the same for the service area for the region. Is there a design understanding or an estimate of how much trash will be available to how many times a garbage removal will have to occur for 36? units?
I probably would imagine that a biweekly means by twice a week.
Trash removal from the building.
Okay, and the unit that's going to be there will definitely be a suffice to fit through that through 60. Absolutely. That what we're what we're proposing is a shoot and a compactor.
Yeah, so the garbage get compacted down into a assumption today.
Thank you. Thank you.
close to me.
In generally, I'm very pleased with the new plan that you've come back with.
It looks a lot better.
question I have is at the street level running along the outside of the or the frontage of the building. It appears that there is an awning or marquee that is our marquees that are suspended by cables from the front of the building. Is that correct? Yes, sir. And those are those would be permanent structures, right? Yes, they would. And curious to know, how far out do they come from truth from the building.
The building a setback from the property line about five foot three inches, and we anticipate that they would encroach no further than five feet. So they're still within the property line of the project. Okay, so there and it looks like I see that it looks like there's a generous and frontage or sidewalk in front of each of the building. So I kind of just wanted to make sure that if we wanted or needed to add some street trees, landscaping, they're still what you're not willing to do that. Perhaps they would guess. Right. Thank you. Thank you.
Mr. Johnson. That's a good segue into some of my questions and misperceiving
questions that somebody started now.
Tell me, if you are not
a landscaper, I noticed in some of the renderings that used to be street trees, and also seems to be vegetative fabulous.
Sure, I can only I can tell you from an architectural perspective what the landscaping is. But we do have our engineer who will tell you
Mr. Petri, review the landscape if you ought to wait for it up to you. I'll wait for a
couple other questions and
to tell us
what mechanical equipment is on the building? In other words,
getting into individual apartments have their own heating and cooling system that takes us directly to the weather or is it a centralized system? And also what mechanical equipment is on the roof? And how is that acoustically buffered from
the neighboring residential homes? Sure.
I'm actually going to if I can, I'm going to share my screen again, let me just get to the correct exhibit.
Okay, so let me share I'm adding
I'm sharing my exhibit. It's a it's the site plan submission set and we're on drawing a six, the roof plan.
what you'll see on the roof plan is that we have centered over the hallway.
We have HBase
The equipment and but basically what we're using is a split system for these apartments. So there'll be a hp AC condenser on the roof. And then in the mechanical closets on each floor will be a unit that will handle the air conditioning and heating.
And so they're one of the beauties of this system is that each unit can control their own
climate so they can control the temperature within their unit.
And so you have mechanical equipment on the roof, and then you have mechanical equipment within the unit. We also have on this, we have some detail, HBC equipment, so location from retail, etc.
And all of that is wrapped in a screen element that will help with their lipsticks. And it will screen the equipment from disability from any surrounding areas or buildings that are higher. But
that's the intention for the equipment on the roof, and a loss it will be isolated from the roof below by being mounted on curbs on the roof. And those curbs are called dunnage. They have
isolation between that structure below so that the sound doesn't carry through as well.
These HVDC condensers are similar to the ones that you might have on your home.
With no emergency generator,
we haven't shown an emergency generator at this point, one can be added.
And that, again, what we would do is it probably would be added in the location of the where the retail hkc equipment is.
And those typically have an enclosure that gets installed with that unit itself. So you'll have the unit and then the unit will come in an enclosure. And that enclosure is to reduce the noise of the generator.
So the plans though I submitted include no commercial zoning. At this time, they do not have an emergency.
And, again, I'm not sure if this is in your common sense or not. But the two
experts regarding buffering at the street level the cleaning the project and
as the newer to the right.
Sure. Again, if our site engineer can talk about how they've controlled that at the ground level.
They think that they could answer that question. And I'll have the same question regarding the driveway. And I guess we'll
see table discussing that Mr. Chairman,
decided to go ahead.
In terms of I don't know if you're the right one to ask for this in terms of employees, how many employees would be there on a daily basis?
I don't know the specific answer that maybe someone else can answer that for me. I think it really depends on on
what type and how many retail spaces
occupied occupy the space race. My second question was also with decisions being made by management, would there be management on site every day? Even the office there or?
That'd be a better question for the owner. I believe we'd have to have with Phil answer those questions. I can recall him at some point during the hearing. But to see any questions come up if we could I miss Maliki thinking? Right. Yes, yes.
Let's see any questions. You have a recap recall, Eli to try to answer those questions. Thank you. I'm sure it also leads into what parking bird never. Exactly. And this is for the good lighting. Good job.
Other questions for
you, our experts have any questions?
So Chairman, I had just won this. I'm still sorted from the last meeting because you know, I tend to make comments when I ask questions.
That's correct. I'm still sworn in. Yes.
Mr. Steve, I believe this question actually came from Mr. RUBIN. He was concerned where the zone line is located on your property when it separates.
The beakers from the art to the business owner from the residential. And I believe in your plans, you have shown that on sheet eight.
Yes, I'm going to share my screen again.
So we're looking at sheet a to to ground level plan, and there is a diagonal line that follows the properties adjacent to us and continues down through the site. The reason I asked the reason I asked you to show that is because substantially the retail area based on the zone line is all within the b2c zone. That's correct. And if I had to, like, pick that corner and push it out, well, but substantially there's a little bit of a corner, but substantially that was of concern that that that substance in the retail space is within the b2c? Yes, I'll leave the rest of the variances to our planning consultant.
That's all for now, Mr. Chairman, like
any other experts?
I have a few. Two quick ones. Mr. Chairman.
First, first, can you just clarify how many of
you just need to identify yourself? before you speak? My apologies, Joe fishmonger with brightview. Engineering the board's traffic consultant.
First with regard to the end, can you confirm? Total? How many of the one bedrooms will have dens and wasn't sure?
What second? believe it's five? there five, one bedroom.
Okay, and then I'm guessing this will be the first one of x lettuce. You have any indication yet as to what retail space will be in the retail space?
Not at this time.
Just to make it clear, there's no one that can get into that question. Obviously, we don't yet have an approval. And there's been no action taken with regard to seeking tenants in that circumstance. So we do not have any prospective tenants at this time.
That's all I have for now. Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Burnham is George Williams. I have a few questions. Please. Go ahead.
Mr. Chairman, I was not at the prior meeting that Katherine Gregory filled in for me while I was getting sick.
So I commiserate with Commissioner Brown. I was right where you are.
Welcome back. Man. It's good to be back. So my questions are about how you may want to commend Mr. Steve for amending his plans. I found these exhibits very helpful. It's just he can you go back to the modeling it shows the comparative heights per second.
Do you want a photo montage or just the model views, he will want to work at ease and it's going to ask for you made reference to use me for story and others and be exact heights and I just want to go back and make sure I'm clear on Okay, so sharing my screen so you can see my screen again. So
the ones that we know specific heights of this project, which is
numbers here so 39 dodge Street. This is a four and a half storey building, and it was measured at 50 feet
17 dodge street which is a four storey building, it was measured at 48 feet.
Our building which is 40 feet six inches to the parapet.
There is 43 dogs, which is a three storey building and 40 feet to the parapet.
There was 25 watts assessing and again, I believe that was a four storey building that was 48 feet.
And then the proposed buildings, which are somewhere under construction, and some are approved.
I don't know the specific building heights of those. I do know that there are four storeys in height and there's probably similar in height as to our buildings. This building actually has a Gable on it would actually may be a little bit taller than
and then as a bank president and buildings are large.
Obviously they're shorter, but do you have the height certainly for the two most two or three months the Jason
I do not. I do not have a survey building height. I can estimate them.
Yeah, this is a two two I would call it a two and a half story.
Devin is probably 30 to 35 feet tall.
This one is a little bit taller, it's gonna be like a three storey building that may be 35 feet tall.
And then again, these are probably in the 30 foot tall, two and a half storey
residential unit buildings. And then obviously down further you have our weight loss. Three story townhomes in front of the new roadway there connecting, and then obviously the parkway loss building.
And then the lower density residential development along orange, similar to that on Lawrence Street. Would you agree or? Yes, there are others. It's interesting because there is new development that's happening. Obviously, you guys are
going to be
looking at 59. DOD.
You've got the, as I mentioned earlier, the multifamily four story multifamily. That's part of
Parkway last two. And then there are a few two storey residential buildings directly behind our property.
Thank you. So again, I find these exhibits extremely helpful. I had a question about comparing what exists now to the in terms of its height to the properties alone, Lawrence
is that if you had any comments about whether there'll be a change in light air and shadowing, based on what's being proposed, as opposed to what exists now,
I do not believe it'll be significant because these properties are located south of our sight. So the sun is going to travel in this direction, which means that shadows are going to be on large Street and along dodge Street. And then in the afternoon, you may get a little bit of shadow in the rear yard of these buildings. But I don't believe that the shadows will have a major impact on on any of our neighbors.
And then in terms of things in terms of comparing what's proposed to what exists now and the relationship between the existing building and those adjacent properties on Lawrence, can you share a little bit about your perspective? Sure. So what we're, what we're replacing is, obviously, we've got the church structure at the intersection of God and
Florence. And one of the things I don't have an exhibit other than to this exhibit is,
is that churches set back quite a bit dodge Street, typically for a building of that type that would allow for congregation before and after services. But it also creates it
for residential construction, it has a break of the street wall. So I think that that's one thing that we could be improving
with the change in use. The other thing that I think is interesting is there is an existing after the church, there's an existing
school districts related school, that building itself we measure and that's 43 feet tall. So it's just a tiny bit shorter than the project that we're proposing. And then after that is
the rectory for the church. That is a two and a half story on a three storey residential building that will be replaced as part of this project.
So if I could just go to so again, we've got the church building is located in this location. The school building is located at this location which is 43 feet tall. And that the rectory building again, it's a it's a it's a larger two storey with a big attic space. This end.
Okay, so the proposed development
portion that is most proximate to the Lord Street, low density residential is higher than the building that exists currently that
it is. And about just one more time about how much higher is it in the existing
our building is our building is 48 feet tall, and I'm estimating that the building adjacent to us is 30 feet tall.
And then last question,
the just remind me to set
the orientation of the existing building on that site proximate to the Lord Street.
lower density residential is the proposed orientation very similar in terms of setback.
There are a distance between the two. Yes, it is.
And if I could just one last time, like I would have
called this an emerging neighborhood, I would call this a to do transit oriented development. It's proximate to the train station. So you're putting density near public transportation. It's also proximate to an emerging retail
neighborhood. And so again, I think that that's something that's really important. And I say emerging, it's a, it's reemerging. It used to be a great retail center. And there's some really cool shops and things that are starting to pop up in here. And I think that this is an appropriately scaled project for this location. So I want to remind you that the Anderson elevated roadway, the parkway runs north and south, right along this right adjacent to this property. So these these residential units backup to that. And then they remind you of the success of the parkway lofts development, which is just south of this project.
renovated factory building. So again, I think that this project is keeping that type of element.
Maybe like a planner, by the way, but I actually have one more question, Mr. Chair, if I might.
I happen to be a fan of the rooftop treatment for many these days. But as you review that I didn't get a good sense of how it would be screen from the properties, I guess, Orange? In other words, would
they're shorter buildings. Will they have any new shed of the many? You know,
I'm sorry, finish?
You may, you may have already answered the next part of that question. And I see some sort of buffering. But in my effort to take notes, I want you to know what the I mean, the terms mean and buffering on the rooftop terrace is planted with a buffer or screen or a last name. Yes. So typically, these rooftop areas get developed as the project advances and marketing is reviewed. But oftentimes, they'll be seen in groups, there'll be outdoor eating areas and lounging areas.
And we would we need to provide for life safety, we need to provide a 42 inch barrier at the edge of the roof. So that would either be a parapet, or railing. In this case, we're proposing to do a planter. So it'll be a 42 inch pipe planter. And then there'll be plantings within that planter that could be as tall as you know, 24 more inches, or 34 inches. So I believe that it would be adequate screening for people that are in your rear yards on our street looking up at this building. Not only will they not see the the occupants of the roof terrace, but they'll see a nice green border at the edge. And then a piggyback question about another question.
So again, this type of space in your design in this particular space, in terms of noise, can you just talk a little bit about how that lounge area will impact the properties primarily on orange? And last but not least, I see barbecue area, is that in spec out already or the gas rules? Or
how would that be affected? Yeah. So typically what would happen is building management will have some controls over how that gets used. But there would be hours of operation for that and, and controls in place to control the noise. And then, as far as
the functions of that space, oftentimes, we would have barbecues up there, those would typically be gas barbecues.
And we would take all the necessary fire precautions for those.
Again, we have to meet all of the building code requirements. So anything that we do up there still have to comply with all of the local building codes as well as the state building codes, as far as finishes and materials used to handle all of the fire and safety controls.
Thank you. Thank you
Is there any member of the public
eye named Mr. Stevie de unship?
It's just there you go. Let me see if there's any hands up. Hold on one second.
Any other questions for
Nick here? Oh, wait, Mr. Valmiki raises his hand real fast again with the reduction in the number of units. And you just go over the
available parking places, number of number of
required parking spaces versus number
actually there for the residents and for commercial
30 next witnesses, the engineer, he's going to talk about just that if that's okay, if you can wait for him. Perfect. Thank you.
Any other questions?
Thank you, Mr. C. Thank you
very much. I called my next witness please.
Mr. Petri, your you want to unmute yourself.
There you go. It'll be quicker if I don't.
Do you swear the testimony you're about to give us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Just say thanks for the record. Jay Michael pttd try. Thank you, Mr. Petri
victory, what is your occupation and where are you located?
I am the managing member of Patreon engineering. We're located at 155 Passaic Avenue in Fairfield, New Jersey.
I love your fields and what tools you graduate. I graduated from engineering team in 1984. With a bachelor's degree in architecture, I've been involved in site development and infrastructure improvement projects continuously within the state of New Jersey throughout that time, I am licensed as a professional engineer in the state of New Jersey and have been since 1992. I'm also licensed as a professional planner and registered as an architect in the state of New Jersey has testified before planning and zoning boards on more time than my wife cares to admit. And I have testified before this board most recently on the
universal Technical Institute project.
Mr. Chairman, I submit that Mr. Petri is qualified as an expert in the field of engineering and he was destined for
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
It's a feature you would you please redo the location of the property? Certainly and I'm going to share my screen and did it backwards.
I'm referring to an aerial photograph of the immediate area which we have superimposed the zoning on for this area. Alright, so Marcus a third of the property in question today are commonly known as 55 warrants and 24 arch streets and you're designated as locks one and 40 in block 94 All right, can we mark this a 13
is this feature is this your entire set Are you literally just putting up different exhibits This is the majority of my set we've added color for clarity. This is included on our title sheet but I blow it up so that it will be easier for the board to do
you want to mark them individually Mike are we marking the whole set
I mean, if the color we weren't in any color, then there's different exhibits.
let's mark them individually okay.
Write down the number that you a 13 at various points. Okay.
The project is located at the intersection of dock Street and Lawrence Street and that is
right here. On the exhibit. I'm gonna blow it up a little bit to make it easier for everybody to see.
So Warren street is running up and down on the on the exhibit. And off on this exhibited north side street is running diagonally near the top
The 55 large street side is historically been utilized as a church. Both Lawrence Street and our street army discipline roadways with paved and curved cart ways. Parking is permitted on both sides of the streets and sidewalks are provided on both streets for pedestrian access.
A key element to this particular property is its proximity to the train station which is located on the exhibit top center right here
where accessing Avenue meets the just off for lunch. So use the five corners intersection.
The why assessing train station as I say there's right there. There are also bus stops at the corner of DoD and arch and Myrtle and DOD as well.
The properties themselves as has been indicated, are split zone, there's a fee to neighborhood districts that fronts on DOD. And the balance of this properties are to be residential to family zone.
and that is for the balance of both Lawrence and arch streets.
Which feature would you describe the addicting site we're dealing with? Certainly the site itself contains a total of 13,662 square feet has roughly 76 feet of frontage along dad Street. It has
roughly 215 feet of frontage on Lawrence and it has just over 34 feet of frontage on Park Street. The majority of the lot is improved today, the church and areas that are not covered with buildings are generally graded towards the right of way. The roof leaders for the building flow into gutter aprons ultimately leading to either the municipal storm sewer, sewer system or to the roadways directly. There are no drainage improvements on the property and there are only building up the light fixtures that service the property today. The first 100 feet of large street extended game is no parking due to its proximity to the intersection and the remaining frontage in front of the subject parcel is signed for reserved parking for the pastor and division
feature which is described the proposed site certainly and I'm going to go down to our layout sheet which is again been colored up the clarity market a 1414
is after this applicant is seeking to demolish the church and construct a four storey mixed use structures as Mr. Stevie indicated in his testimony.
There is one level of coverage marking and that covered parking is accessed off of Warren street the driveway is at the southerly end of the building. Right here when you see my cursor on the screen.
That driveway entrance from Lawrence and goes down into that lower level parking the distance ed represented earlier to work. There is a second driveway to the upper parking area that driveway is often Arch Street, there's a 20 foot wide driveway with a sidewalk and a bunch that driveway that needs to be parking. That opens the air for the most part at the mayor that building that parking is not needed. So that parking will be available for visitors it will be available for
employees and the retail use. It will be available for users at the at the retail use at their discretion.
There are a total of 42 parking spaces at the lower level as Mr. Stevie indicated that will be reserved specifically for the residents and they will be assigned as part of the lease. The Arch Street property has a total of 27 parking spaces within that area. The spaces as I indicated will be shared spaces, they will not be gated so access is simple from the street.
We believe that this is a this is a good change for the project. Because what it does is provides access to both visitors and for retail users and employees within the confines of the site.
In my opinion and based upon my experience, this is an appropriate number of spaces as the broken down
We have recently completed two projects in Montclair, that have been almost fully leased,
both on Bloomfield Avenue both very close to the Pine Street Station, both walking distance to that station, the leasing in those buildings has gotten between one and 1.2 spaces per unit. So we're looking, you know, as as an assigned space for the people who are moving in.
So we're looking in this instance at probably in a similar situation between 36 and 43 spaces that would be required for residents themselves.
And we have 42 at the lower level. So any overflow that could happen there could happen in the covered parking at the back of this building, we would assume that the
Hello, that the faces that are to the south of the driveway would likely be spaces that would accommodate
the employees of the of the retail use. Probably if users come for the retail space, there would be the extremes, there would be ends that would be available. for them. We provide access via a walkway from this rear parking lot to Warren Street. So we believe that we have a
very good plan at this new scaled size building. Also there is a loading space as Mr. C mentioned, that space is 18 feet Why is approximately 40 We three feet long.
For those of you who don't play in the field of engineering all the time, the standard garbage truck is 10 by 35. A standard
box truck and su 30 is usually about 30 feet long, Matthew 4039 and a half feet long. The largest U haul truck you can rent is about 34 feet long.
So all of those types of vehicles can easily fit in this space and function. And by function, I mean, they'll have the ability to open a side door to unload furniture, they'll have the ability to tear load furniture or deliveries with a lift. So what we have here is the ability to do trash deliveries and loading off street. Unlike our presentation last month.
Per Mr. Fisher's comments, he had asked that we provide safe triangles out of the Arch Street driveway and we will do that they're not on the plans as they stand today but we will be able to accommodate that.
The existing curb and sidewalk along both front edges of the building on DoD and on Lawrence is expected to be removed and replaced.
There are three entry doors that access off of Lawrence into the residential component. There There are doors off of DOD that access into the
retail component. Each of these doors has been designed for ADA accessibility and we'll accommodate that at the at those floors.
As we go to what I guess it's going to be
a 15 which is our grading and drainage plan.
When we graded the Arch Street driveway, there's about 22 feet back from the from the Arch Street property line right here. There's a high point so there's a slight pitch back towards the street at this location. The balance of this driveway drains down into the parking area, we have a trench drain at the end of that driveway to collect that stormwater.
Since this is a
surface parking lot, but it's over other parking we have.
We have deck drains in this drain that connect into that system. There's a piping system that will take it around the building, ultimately picking up the trench drain from the driveway that comes off of Lawrence and as I say goes down. So there's a trench drain there. All of that is collected in the storm water system that ultimately ends up in the city.
The inch elliptical storm pipe that runs down one street with a connection
about a third of the way from Dodd Alomar Brundage.
The roof leaders will also connect to the system so all of the storm drainage will be collected and connected into the storm drain system in Lawrence. Because the project does not meet the criteria for a major development, there are no requirements for storm water reduction or some sort of quality.
patriot there were some questions by board members with regard to landscaping. Would you please review the landscaping and lighting and try to answer those questions, certainly. So I'm going to refer to our land our landscaping lighting sheet, which we're going to mark is a 16.
I'm going to blow this up a little bit to make it a little easier for all of us to see.
we talked at the last meeting about street trees. And we talked I talked to Mr. maroochy about that subsequent to the meeting the building as you can see a setback from the property line. So, so along
this is the property line here and the building sits back from that property line on on all facades. So what what we've done is we've pulled the street trees back along that property line and we've done that because there are overhead wires along Warren street on our side of the street. And if you look at the trees that are there, they're mutilated, because of those wires. They literally have cut the cut away the center of the trees and now you've got in essence trees that look like the letter Y rolling down Lawrence street because the wires are going in pulling them off of the off of the curb line on the back of the property line is to avoid that. We've incorporated a series of choke berries along that orange frontage. We carry those choke berries along the walkway
between our buildings and the adjacent residential building that goes to the rear parking lot.
We we've incorporated inkberry Hollies between those trees so ultimately we've got a more I would say a more decorative tree that is that is in keeping with a pedestrian scale.
The chokeberry is a is a tree that has
full flowering and berries associated with an album we don't see about 20 feet high.
It under normal conditions it can grow to 30 feet high. But normally they say around 20 the inkberry Hollies will grow usually up to about five feet and they provide a little bit of an evergreen screen.
They don't usually get bigger than that.
So we've kept that along the frontage and mix those up
in the in the rear portion of the site along the Arch Street driveway backing back in here, we have a little bit less area for planting and we're fairly close to the residence. So what we selected for that area
skip long, which is again an evergreen shrub they're planted about five feet on center, skip laurels will provide screening from the driveway to the to the residence. We've also included skip laurels in the in the rear portion of
the lot that abuts us to the south of between our curb and the property line. In the front, there is a there's currently a common driveway that exists there. Now my understanding is that that the building is being replaced but for now we need to maintain that driveway
for the existing user. So we've separated the two driveways with a row boxwoods.
So that would that would provide a delineation between the two spaces. And and that's how we that's how we've landscaped the site. In terms of lighting.
I want to point out this dashed line right here. That's our plan represents that that second story
limit that Mr. CV spoke about. So when you talked about the ABS questions about the proximity of the the roof deck on the fourth
floor to the residential property lines, I understand that that roof that this is the line of the roof deck right here, and the property lines about 40 feet away on the north end of the site, it's about 45 feet away on the south end of the site. So when you're talking about the difference between this plan and the last plan, and I remember the chairs comment, that the that the amenities deck was going to be hovering over the rear of those properties, we now have 40 to 45 feet of separation.
So under that overhang for this parking level, we have three light fixtures that have ground that are garage lights, so these are mounted on the ceiling of that floor of that overhang. And we have a series of four pole mounted lights to that are along the rear prop our rear property line and two that are along the driveway to go out for our street.
We we have
all LED fixtures so that they will be both energy efficient and and will eliminate hot spots
will provide a light shield on forelock 41 to the south.
That's on these fixtures because they have the tendency to have to make maybe have some spillage backwards, this light the isometric show that we don't have spillage, that's going to affect that a lot. So I don't know that it's necessary there. But if it's deemed necessary, we will incorporate that as well.
As for the lower level parking,
I'm going to slide over, hopefully, no one needs me now.
So the lower level parking is
the light, the lights in there are similar to the lights that we're using on the underside of the overhang. This is not affecting the site, it can't be viewed by the by the neighbors because this is fully enclosed. But again, they're in their energy efficient LED fixtures. And we have a we have a good spread of light throughout the parking and throughout the access drive to get to the far side believe that from a lighting perspective or landscape perspective, we we utilize the spaces appropriately and we utilize the right type of fixtures.
Did you have an opportunity to review vista maroochy latest letter? I believe that was dated January 21. This year? I have? And would you comment on that if there's any reason to Now certainly, Mr. Richie and my pain correctly identifies the fact that we significantly reduce the number of units and therefore the impact on parking. He further identifies the fact that we have pulled our buildings away from the rear of the homes that front on our street. And the fact that this lot now provides the loading trash collection and visitor parking on site.
We agree with his comment that the applicant will need to consolidate the lots of bargaining approval that this board may grant, we further agree that you will need to secure a permit from the Hudson Essex state Soil Conservation District for this project. And finally, we agree that that our client will be responsible for posting performance and maintenance guarantees in accordance with municipal board.
Chairman I have no further questions and Mr. patriot
to take for taking describe the lighting or the pathway of the southerly end of the property that goes in the target.
Right. What's the plan for that?
We did not like that that pathway because it's immediately adjacent to the residence but we could certainly have one or two building mountain lights on the side of the building that would be low level lights
that could accommodate that cap lighting. Yeah, it would seem appropriate to have something for safety that
Well, because it does, it's immediately adjacent to the building, we could probably use a like a building wash fixture that will limit it limit it to download light only. Right and something that only illuminate inside your
site or a building out there that points at the sidewalk, right. So there's no spillage, it would seem appropriate.
Chairman I missed that.
So we'll consider that with the addition as agreed to you
Could you? Could you tell us if there was any fencing plan?
We haven't incorporated anything something at this time. There, there are some fences that that separate these, this property from the property to the north.
And my understanding the property without it being very developed. So
I'm less concerned they're
all over the short term.
And I don't have the enabling view up here. But Are any of these boundaries adjacent to a residential property? I know the southern boundary adjacent to a residential property, is there a sense there now, so So this lot here is residential. And there's a fence that runs the longest property line and turns, which is the common property line between our our driveway and their loss. And it turns in a northerly direction along their rear property line, and runs all the way up.
up to and including this portion about 38. So this lot here is a lot 39. That's residential, and there's a fence. This is a lot 38, that's residential, and there's a fence so that fence that runs like that. This is like 41. This side,
The building abuts the other portion of this driveway, there's a common driveway, we're showing the portion of that that's on our loss. There's another portion of that on the next lawn.
There is a fence a wooden fence that runs from the back of the house along this property line of law 31 the northerly property line of block 41 to the rear property line, it appears that that fence stops, that the adjacent blocks
which abuts the rear portion of this parking lot has a fence, but there is a missing fence at the back or the westerly lat line of Loc 41.
So in particular lot 39 and also 41. But focusing on 39 for a moment is that existing fence that belongs to the property on 139. That's correct. And is that fence in good shape? And my concern is?
Is it adequate? And is it likely to remain adequate to keep children from inadvertently
running into the driveway? animals and so forth? it's it's a it's a vinyl fence. It's a vinyl privacy fence. So it appeared what I saw to be in pretty good shape.
I don't think it needs to be changed.
The one on the other side of that chain link fence.
probably less desirable condition.
Is there any danger
to the open area that you identified that
children playing in the backyard has access to the
we could we could certainly have a fence there in that location. I my understanding is that property's been approved for redevelopment.
So do you need fencing for security for the park?
I hadn't I hadn't considered that. I assumed that when the development of that property is completed that there wouldn't be there wouldn't be an issue between the two parking lots.
Mr. Chairman, best friends may go ahead.
Mr. Petri going back to the chairman's questions concerning lighting for the driveway. It made me curious then as to what type of illumination is there currently, you know, from the street light for your proposed driveway at the entrance? Do you post to put a sign indicating, you know, the parking for you know, parking period? And will there be any sort of entry light to to make it easier since that is a fairly congested street
Just as to what type of lighting or signage that we're playing, we we didn't envision providing signage in the driveway.
We had, we understand that our street is fairly dense, but it is well lit, which is why we fold our our first fixture in
near the near the rear of the house rather than have it out at the front of the driveway.
We believe that that the lighting that we are proposing is certainly adequate to accommodate the traffic tackle on this on this.
But it's going to be a shared parking for the
retail as well as for some residents, I imagine. How would people driving retail person know that this is parking for the retail? Well, sir, certainly employees are going to understand that because they work there. And visitors are generally you know, visitors that have residential generally repeat that I'm certain that they're going to get directions from wherever they're visiting users of the retail space. I think if you're a if you're a frequent visitor, you'll know about the rear parking. You know, there are there are places where
I guess those of us who frequent certain shops know where to park and other others who are just passing by and only stopping and occasionally we don't. But certainly, if there's access via doors at the rear of the buildings and that hasn't been determined yet. People quickly understand that so
Okay, thank you.
What's the width of the car by a driver? The car weighs 40 feet wide and it provides for a four foot sidewalk that that comes alongside of it.
Be marked for no parking. Yeah.
Our back our bell Nikki here. While we're on the topic of the rear driveway.
The shrubs that are going to be planted they're not not not with the driveways. Next we should decide how tall they grow.
will probably get to about 18
that's the side that you should have a chain link fence. Now that's the this the northerly side as the vinyl fence and the southerly side has the common driving.
So the southerly side along the common driveway near the box was when the driveway stops. We switched the skip lorries, the screen the backyard, and we have to skip Laura down the entire northerly property line of of the driveway lawn. And when you're playing today would be
they usually start at about 42 inches, you can buy them, you know if you struggle, you can find the point
that they're there. They're pretty quick growing their gear resistance and they stay green over and over again.
Is there irrigation provided?
We haven't and we usually don't design irrigation. That's that's usually a management determination that they're going to hand water irrigate.
And you said there would be a sidewalk wellness drive on the northerly side. Yeah, there's a sidewalk. So the driveway comes in the sidewalk runs on the northerly side next to the driveway and the skip laurels go between the sidewalk and the property.
I have a question if I may.
Mr. Petri on here, I mentioned what was this diagram another they're looking at the retaining wall on that green line is curious how tall that is. It's a short wall for grading. We're,
it's what I would consider a landscape world is no more than two feet high in any location. It's really just to to make upgrading without impacting some of the existing improvements on the neighborhood on the neighboring properties.
Okay, as I indicated there's a there's a there's a fence that runs on the next question.
Thank you. That's why we put in the wall. Certainly. Thank you. You're welcome.
Mr. Petri, I'm not sure this is in your under your cognitive. Are there any Is there any signage proposed identifying the building or the retail?
In other words, identification of a narrow department or types of stores.
I believe in this just these renderings he he shows banned signage from the retail spaces.
I don't know that they're coming. They're certainly we didn't anticipate like a freestanding sign outside of the building to identify the apartments, I believe there's going to be a number in the door. There. There may be a small sign designated the designating the name of the building, but I wouldn't expect more than that. So it would it be fair to say that any signage will comply with the townships signage ordinance and unless you come back and ask them for
any other questions.
Sorry, one more question is Chairman,
Mr. Dmitri, regarding the the entrance on Lord Street, you had mentioned there's a I think the previous testimony mentioned a faab. That will be used. And if during the Is there any sort of bypass system in case of a failure in that system to fail to work if they're just to prevent the backup on the street further, and residents can answer
the question, I would assume that there's a remote inside that would make the door operate. I don't know how you do it from outside. I've been following management.
Management would be available to assist in that 24. Seven. Where's that with that the only business hours? I
think you'll have
understood. Thank you.
Mr. Chairman, I have a question. Mr. Tim Johnson.
Good evening. You have questions regarding the Daad Street, street level side.
It looks like it was earned consideration or thought given to a landscaping or decorative shrubs along the down streets.
It looks like all the street signs streetscaping is reserved for Lawrence Street. Right. Well, the street and I think this this meeting spoke to this last meeting, they wanted to have hardscapes, where they do put planters
within the areas because they want to have the availability if they if one of the tenants needs outdoor seating be able to accommodate that. Understood. So that that is proposed that in other words?
Yes, it's proposed as far as. Okay, great. And then one other quick question. I see in the rendering here. There's some decorative street lighting that runs along both Lawrence and Dunn.
Is that is that is the expectation that the township will provide that lighting or is that lighting that is going to be installed by the developer?
I don't we don't have that waiting in our
in our plan. I can I think that's on the stevies rendering. I'd have to check with him. We have we have not incorporated street lighting specifically in this in this submittal. Okay, so so the the rendering that
that is a part of your exhibit that street lighting, we should ignore that is that correct?
Again, it's Miss Jessie's exhibit. You'd have to ask him I'm not certain.
We call them
the three ladies important in hiring already called
Chairman, do you want to wait to finish this up?
I will recall it will also
Mr. Chairman, Michael Rubin. I just have two questions Krispie treats
and one a turn driveway off the large Street was locked 41 Is there an easement for an easement.
So lot 41 is the lot to the south. So that's this line here. And your question is, is there a recorded easement? The easement showed on the survey that was prepared
as a property line is this set
line of a 6.51 foot wide common driveway. So that's a that's a record Easterners that only show them on a survey. I, we didn't do the survey. Mr. Williams, I can't tell you. I know that the owner is looking into it. Okay. Especially especially given the impending development of that for parcel. Next question.
Since you pulled the street trees back to the property line, will there be a conflict between those street trees and the awnings?
The answer is that they've been placed so that they don't conflict with you on even as they grow. Correct. Okay.
Okay, thank you. You're welcome.
there any member of the public like a question for Mr. Mr. Chair? Oh, go ahead. And
with respect to lighting.
Under the old plan, you had two levels of amenities on the rooftop. Now it's down to one level.
Is there any lighting for phones for the amenities on the roof, such as Beauvoir and lighting, low level lighting, as needed for your TV? I would we call the architect I'm sure he can answer that question for you. And if I can, just to just to comment, I did have a discussion with Mr. teatree. About the street trees. And I do have to agree with them. We have a lot of areas of town where the street trees are located between the curb and sidewalk. And when they grow. they interfere with the PSE and G lines. And when they do, we have no control over that PSE and G has a requirement from the State Board of performing utilities to clear those wires. And that's why Mr. Petri commented that you'll have the Y shape or sometimes you have a big donut in there and I probably have the trees behind the sidewalk.
In front of my house.
There they are butchered by PSAT. Definitely. Agree. That's all I have to say.
any of our experts have questions?
Yes, Mr. George Williams.
Just quickly, Mr. Petri, thank you for visitation. I finally heard you mentioned fencing. But she
SP four doesn't provide fixing details, would you be able to provide fencing details?
Miss Williams is the FAA corporate fancy we'll do that. But we haven't proposed any fencing. The fencing that I was mentioning is the existing fencing that's on the adjacent residential property.
Thank you. I appreciate the clarification.
Any other questions?
Any other questions from the board members?
member of the public?
Anyone on the call?
I don't see anybody raising their hand.
There are no other questions, I'll say. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The chairman at this time, I'd like to recall your
A lot yet. If you want to take a break or something I'm sorry. Now we'll finish this.
You've been listening, you heard
questions that were raised, that you are capable of answering, in particular having to do with humanity and the lighting.
You know, the decades and then what do we have available there? Yes. We mentioned during our last testimony, how we would handle lighting on that. And it would be lighting that would be mounted in the back of the parapet or the planter. It would be low level lighting that would light the surface of the deck, it would not shine out or out from the space so it'd be a low level lighting, setting up the ground at the terror surface not at the building or the surrounding area.
Any of the board questions for the architect that I've got him back? Yeah, there was there was also a question regarding lighting along the streets along the side of the hill. The rendering currently shows decorative lamp posts on both john and Lawrence, that the only lighting that's being proposed
Part of this is the building mounted light fixtures.
We believe that those are going to enhance the light level sidewalk. And they're also already existing streetlights
on the opposite side of the street that should adequately control the lighting levels of the street. So we don't, those are not part of this. They're not they're mistakenly placed in our model. All right. Thank you,
Mr. Chairman. And
in question had asked to have the engineer about lighting Deck, the
chairman had also mentioned as well as for the rear of the building, and also signage if there are any tents to eventually put signage on the building for entrance to the
retail, and also my concern about Mr. chairman is concerned as well as but lighting up the driveway.
Again, as far as the site lighting goes, I defer to Mr. Petris testimony.
And as far as signage goes, we do show signage on mounted on the canopies over the retail, and then also there's a building identification or address sign, and it'd be at the entrance to the residential and apart from our street, there is no they have no indicated no signage at the entrance from our street, and no signage for retail that from our street as well, you know, and on the building assets at this point, there's not okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you.
If there's no questions, I'd like to recall Mr. Soul to answer a couple of questions that were raised for him. And a question for the architect for
me, I could just take a break.
And I think they have a lot. We may have other people here from other applications that we might want to deal with as well. I will, let's just finish with the first witness. And then we'll take a break. And I'll deal with the journalists.
Mr. Chairman, when you say this, what you mean by recall that yourself? Yes?
Well, maybe we should take a break. Okay, I'll try to reach you, my apologies, no problem.
And this is for the attention of all the other applicants who are waiting, it's very clear to me that we will not
the present application before 11pm, which means we won't get to anyone else this evening. And so what I can do is, during the other applications to a future meeting,
if you don't wish to adjourn, you're welcome to stay the very end of the exam. If you prefer, I can join divorcing during the outage or between me and again,
during the rest of the evening. So the first one on my list here is 145. Washington State.
Chairman, I represent that applicant and during the break, I will clear within my requests for agenda, which I'll make after I put it was like what? All right, that brings us to 76 Willow Street.
Mr. Chairman, I will take that gentleman for next few days. Thank you. All right. We will join that there's a special meeting on February 25. Does that work for you?
Yes, sir. It does.
Alright, board. May I have a motion to adjourn? 76. special meeting of
Mr. balikian, you need to unmute yourself.
Lucy, start a second. Oh, second, Mr. Chairman, Mr. pres seconds.
So this will be a journey through February 25. There's no further notice required because they're announcing an adolescent public meeting. And that needs to live the requirements so the applicant just gets it. You do not have to notify anyone about this. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Is there anyone opposed? there? No one opposed oppose. 76. Wheeler was adjourned to February 25 at 7pm. Thank you Have a good evening. Thank you.
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For anyone here representing big coin.
320 bubble Avenue now.
That's our application.
And I think in German on that one.
All right. special meeting of the 25th. All right.
That's my day. Thank you.
I think we skipped over B. I was just gonna say that. Are you gonna hear that?
Now? 71 e, and you're right.
But I'll come back to that. In a minute.
323 25. You he said he would take to 25 this special meeting.
Is that correct?
No further notice is required to have a motion board.
Second. I'll second. Mr. Wagner minor.
On favor, please say aye. Aye.
Anyone opposed? Here we now want to close
jaren to February 26. No further notice as required. I'm assuming mystic ACCION, you're waiting for time constraints for us.
Thank you very much. And
I rarely Miss 71 Ethan place. So the only place that
I can assure you to February 25. If that works for you.
That works for me.
All right, no further notice is required because this is an open public meeting announcing publicly legally you don't have to notify you don't have to read mail notices.
And emotion word.
Mr. Chairman, that's the first of those. Is there a second? I'll second.
Second, all in favor, please say aye.
Want to pose and I want to close so we want to place
these special meetings February 25. At 7pm no further notice is required.
With that, before we resume I'll take a
10 minute break longer.
Signed by me and we will resume at
It's Chairman Michael Rubin. Just because the foreign woman Nicola should just take the roll. Yeah.
Oh, okay. That's fine. All right. This is this ball roll. Okay. Miss Brown.
Mr. Prince. Here, Mr. Bell, Nikki. I'm here. Mr. Wagner. Here. Mr. Stivers. Here. Chairman Michalski.
Well present. Thanks.
All right, Mr.
Chairman. I, I would like to adjourn my 145 Washington Street case if that's acceptable to the board.
It is acceptable and you're waiving time constraints. Yes. I
would you like the
I'd like the 11th. I guess I would be hopefully near the top of the list with that one on the 11th. We will be third. Well, it'll be fourth if this carries over. Oh, wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He on this agenda. He's before.
224 broad and 59. Todd. So he would be in front of them as far as the agenda right now is concerned.
Because we're going to continue. I'm sure we're going to continue with the five warrants. After that is, that's it?
Right. Right, right. So you will be
secure. I would like to be a jerk to the level because I go to the gym every day. Anyone even remember? That's it? 24 to 25. Okay, so that's okay.
All right. So I have a motion to adjourn. 145 Washington Street two. February 11.
I'll make that motion. Mr. Chairman.
Is there a second? Second, Mr. Chairman, seconds. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone.
Here no one pose 145 Washington Street in Germantown, February 11 2012. There can be no further notices required. 2021 2021.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
have prepared to go ahead with my next witnesses territory to break. I review the questions for the owner. I think they've been answered except possibly something about the building employees. Was that a question somebody had? I believe there was a question whether they were the worthless staff would be on.
So we can call
Mr. Stoll, who is the witness at the first hearing with regard to that one question or any other and obviously more work to ask him. So I'd like to record Eli's role.
yet, unmute yourself.
I'm sorry, I, let's go out to traffic expert and I will try to reach him if that's okay. So today
I'd like to call an
expert witness. And that's how I was able to handle my traffic expert.
Hi, mishandle. Can you raise your right hand? Do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Again, just state your name for the record. Alexandra handle h a n d o Thank you.
Your business address and your occupation? I'm a civil engineer and planner. I work at mitre engineering located at 155 Passaic Avenue in Fairfield, New Jersey.
But What school did you graduate? What degree Did you have days? I graduated from Stevens Institute of Technology in 2013 with my bachelor's and master's degree in civil engineering, I then graduated from NJIT while working full time in 2015 with my Bachelors of Science in Lancer
and have you done work in the field of parking and traffic transportation? Yes, I worked at CME associates for five years where all my projects are focused on transportation engineering and design. I have worked at Peachtree engineering for three years. For nearly three years where I have worked on roadway improvements and traffic and parking reports. I'm also like
to get your license your license engineer signatures Is that correct? Yes. I
You've testified before zoning boards, which play boards and then except as an expert in engineering on each and every occasion. Yes.
No further questions. Mr. Chairman, I submit that my witness is qualified as an expert in the field of traffic and parking engineers,
mortal handle as an expert in traffic engineering. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Would you please describe the site as it relates to traffic? Yes, I'm going to share my screen
and zoom in a little bit. So this is a figure that was associated with the
traffic impact and parking study that was prepared by Adrian.
All right, so Mike, do you want to mark this or now?
I think you probably should. I wasn't sure if this was something that was handed in. All right. So this should be a 17.
for the traffic study, but I think you probably should be more involved. That's okay. Sure. Thank you very much for sketching.
Okay, so as well describe that go to the architect, architect and engineer 55 large street is proposed to be a four storey building located at the corner of Lawrence Street and dodge street that will provide retail and residential space. Lawrence street is a two way residential street that also serves as an entrance to the parkway loss 55 Laurel street is located approximately 250 feet from the five leg intersection of dodge Street, our street, Myrtle Street, orange Street and wants to sing Avenue, which has been studied for several applications that have recently been before your board.
There are three public transit stops in this area. The lots of thing Avenue train station is located approximately 350 feet from large Street. The Dodge street at our street bus stop is located roughly 200 feet from Moore Street. And the Myrtle street at orange tree bus stop is located roughly 300 feet from Mark Street.
Would you please discuss and review the traffic impacts that you think will be associated with the proposed building? Certainly, I'll move into assessing the traffic impact of this proposed building. We use the ICS trip generation manual 10th edition to prepare the data. We consider the use it the tooth use is separate, if you think multifamily housing mid rise for the apartment and shopping center for the retail use. Both of these were further specialized with a general urban slash suburban category. The maximum number of trips by residents resulted in 58 trips and the peak time is between 7am and 9am. On weekdays. The maximum number of trips for the retail use resulted in 24 trips for Saturday peak hour.
According to the transportation impact analysis for site development, published by the Institute of Transportation engineers, an increase of less than 100 vehicle trips would not change the level of service of the local street network, nor would it increase the volume to capacity ratio of an intersection approach. The introduction of this mixed use building where a church used to reside would not significantly impact the flow of traffic in this area. This was also confirmed by the traffic by the townships traffic engineer. However, to further address his concerns in the area, we prepared a model in synchro 11 for existing conditions, no build condition, and a full build condition for both am and pm situations.
Because of the reduced traffic flow due to COVID-19, we were told that we could utilize the traffic study
prepared by mcdonogh and rye associates as our base model.
We did utilize their traffic counts as our base numbers. However, the county did upgrade the signal after there was prepared and as such we utilize the county's updated timing schedule in the program.
We then utilize the nj d o t and all background growth rate table from April 2019 to April 2021. to file a model for future no bills.
So but there's simply a no build case inflates current traffic conditions to what they are predicted to be in three years based upon a standard growth rate factor for the area.
This is the secret model. So we're going to flip to the next slide, mark that at the synchro model for the am no traffic data.
To go into a little further explanation, let's take a look at the Dodge street intersection.
Distance is a, this is a new figure. So you might have some artists right 18
Okay, thank you.
You're welcome. So let's just take a look at this Dodge street Mr. Street intersection which is right here.
based on the data that we gathered from the big data and Ray report, there were vehicles sitting at the stop sign of Lawrence street during an a&p, which is a very time over one
of them turn left onto DOD.
To come turn left on to bad, while the remaining 13 turn right onto DoD and heading to our lots of seeing
this exhibit This allows you to see how traffic is flowing in the aggregate it gives all the traffic data for each movement at the intersections.
From this we determined we determined that the five leg intersection for the ANP build situation has a level of service fee and 48.2 seconds of intersection signal delay.
We did the same calculations for the PMP
which is shown here the PMP no bill situation so this will be a 19 Okay.
From this from the from the PMP who determined that the five legged intersection had a level of service of deer and 51.7 seconds of intersection segments rely to create future build conditions, we take the Nobel inflated data and add the proposed information that would occur from the proposed building. The proposed numbers for the building are taken from the I Ts trip generation.
To complete this you have to assume which direction vehicles are traveling in. I'm going to go back and forth here between an am Melville and an A and future build as an example.
So the am full bills I believe will be the money correct.
All first, beyond the future bills.
So as you can see, the driveways for Warren Street and hard street have now been shown on the diagram. So these are the two entrances for the building. Our street will hold the retail and gas parking and Lauren she will hold all of the residential parking.
So let's start on the large street driveway. So we assume that from the large street driveway 100% of the vehicles right on the driveway and head toward dodge Street.
From there from the south side at Lawrence and DOD we have assumed that 60% of the vehicles will head towards Louisville add via lots of things Avenue and the remaining 40% will head towards will turn left on the street and head toward the park as JFK
guide test will take you either to guards a Parkway south or Milan and lots of the same Avenue will take you to our group.
So as you see here, the ice trip operations told us that 10 cars are exiting in the AM.
So we take those 10 cars and we turn them all right on to large tree headed toward dodge Street. So I'm just gonna flip back to the am no bill where you can see that there's two cars that are parked at this intersection headed left and 13 cars headed, right.
So if we take those 10 cars that were coming out of this driveway and add them in, we have to add them into views
and Nobel traffic data. So we're gonna take 40% of 10 and add it to two so four cars plus two is six cars that'll turn left and we'll take the remaining 60% or six cars and add it to the 13th to get 19 levels firm. Right? And we did that throughout for BBs is
for both of these. So know that
To The Future builds.
And you can see that in the a MP, there's only two parts that will leave the Arch Street driveway. That's all that it
said the Arch Street driveway did assume, at least for the PM, where the where the numbers are higher than 90% of the vehicles turn left toward dodge street, and 10% turned right toward the parkway mobs assuming that some of those residents will utilize the retail area located at 55 large Street.
From there, we assume that 60% of the vehicles that are going to end up at this time intersection will turn
right on to blue and head toward Bloomfield Avenue, while the remaining 30% will head south, sorry, will turn left for the parkway. And that number only adds up to 90% as the remaining 10% of people moving we're headed south toward the parking lot.
So after you incorporate all that data
into the future build into the program of the day was determined that the five leg intersection for the a MP in the future Bill had a level of service D and 49 seconds of intersection stage of the leg.
I determined we determined that the five light intersection
can peak in the future we'll also have a level of service fee and 53.9 seconds of intersection signal delay. I believe that both of these slight increases to be negligible to the overall function of the traffic cycle. Therefore, I believe that the traffic will not significantly increase with the inclusion of this proposed building.
could you address the outstanding issues for could you address the outstanding issues with traffic engineers report IT consulting engineers to diminish value? Certainly. So I believe comments one through five and number seven were addressed via the architect's testimony number 610 12 and 15 were addressed in our set of revised plans and the report
numbers 1113 1416.
Nine, I addressed my direct testimony or I will when I talk about the parking
number eight Mr. Petri was able to tell us that site triangles will be added to the our street driveway number nine we will revise the plan is to show more grading at the ADA RAM
and then I will
I will hold off on addressing number 20 until I go over the parking for this site.
Then we discuss the lower level residential for
As stated the building has been reduced to 18 one bedroom units and 18 two bedroom since the last meeting for a total of 36 units with 505,152 square feet of retail space. On the lower level parking will be utilized by residents only and will offer 42 parking stalls.
While their ordinance calls for a total of 69 cells required for the unit. The Institute of Transportation engineers has done studies on demand for the buildings in the
city demand for the ice from the ice is broken down into dwelling unit demand and bedroom demand with veteran demand generally being less that sends a per dwelling.
The highest demand that we were able to calculate was at 1.5 stalls per dwelling unit. This suggests up to 54 parking stalls could be appropriate for this site.
The average of the remaining it data suggests that 42 stalls would be required to sustain the units proposed.
Have you worked on any similar projects that might support the conclusions? you're reaching with regard to this issue?
I do believe Mr. Petri addressed this in his testimony with regards to the two projects in Montclair that he talked about
it and they generated approximately between one and 1.2 parking stalls per month.
And that is more than provided with this proposal. Is that correct?
Now, would you describe the shared upper parking lot?
Certainly, the other party level will be utilized by guests of the building and retail patrons and workers
This parking lot will offer 27 parking stalls. Again your ordinance calls for one one sell for 150 square feet of retail space. This would equate to 35 parking stalls required for the retail use. It also breaks down shopping centers. Since this project does not have a potential tenant at this time, we have utilized this breakdown for the time being as an as it is a very broad break down.
It further breaks down shopping centers into non December and December with the December requirements
obviously being significantly high.
We do not anticipate this being a highly sought after holiday shopping retail or a destination shopping center. Therefore, I will not I will use the non December rates.
The average parking stall requirement for non December is 18 stepwells. This leaves nine stalls for building guests commercial business hours.
However, there are eight meter parking stalls across the street from the retail entrance on dodge Street. And I anticipate that most of the patrons that use the retail space that funds on dodge street will use that metered parking during business hours at the most direct. You can you can literally see the door about yourself from those parking spots.
Our office has completed a parking study and it was determined that those parking stalls are open at all times during normal business hours for at least there are several of those stalls open.
As I mentioned, while talking of the residential parking, there could be a potential profit of 50 for residents, residential vehicles to be parked at once this is an overflow of 12 vehicles from from the 42 provided on level one.
If there is a need for overflow, the rest of us will be able to utilize the upper parking lot as well.
I want to clarify that the peak periods of parking for residential uses are from 12am to 4pm 4am sorry, and the lowest use is between 9am and 4pm.
The peak period for retail is on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays between 1pm and 2pm. As there is no overlap between the key uses, I believe that if a resident needs to utilize the upper parking lot for overnight parking, the retail use will not be impacted.
I also don't anticipate overlap between the building guests and the retail patrons for the same reasons as I mentioned, the work hours do not overlap.
You mentioned that there was parking on the street and you expected that the
patrons for any businesses would use that parking on the street did your physical study with regard to the parking of treating the surrounding areas.
I believe that our building will be self sufficient in regards to parking a parking study was completed. The results are located on the last page of the traffic impact and parking report prepared by our office.
I'll now be referring to sheet t five
mark this a 19 no 820 which is available which is the available Sunday parking from the traffic impact in parking.
We can mark as a 20
I'm sorry, a 21
Okay, so I'm just zooming in a little bit since there to see what sheet number is this I'm sorry, this is teabag Thank you.
So this shows the study area that was completed follow the green lines mean that marking is available at this time and the red areas signal that there is no parking allowed at this time or this location.
So this study area was performed within 1000 1000 feet of the proposed building in orange street our street Street, finer shoes, place Champaign, Myrtle Street and Willow Street. There are a total of 140 stalls and is
67 of those stalls are available for 24. Seven parking 65 are available are available for two hour parking between eight
and 16 and 140 stalls are available for overnight parking.
It should be noted that the eight stalls in the study area are needed from 8am to 8pm. Monday through Friday.
It was determined that Sunday mornings have the highest bars on the street.
Even in a worst case scenario, which was that Sunday morning, there are still 37 cells available with 13 of them directly on Lawrence street for residential.
With this information, we are certain that in the small town ability that resident or visitor needs to park on the street, there's plenty of existing space for them to utilize.
We have even gone a step further to see what applicants have come before this board and have made and have been granted with parking balances. While several projects have been approved in the area, and most of them are
the only impacts that could be seen are from the Westin Westin, house, one were for 3041 stalls were approved and 47 were required. Even such that project lock runs along the Gardiner Avenue and would not impact the streets we survey due to its location outside of our submit area. And as you can see, this street is labeled mega MacArthur Avenue down here and that is outside of ourselves.
The board's traffic engineer raised the concern that the $9 tree and a proposed daycare should be included in this review. We reached out to their professionals and determined that the daycare is located at 33 to 45 dodge Street and received approval this week. They required six parking stalls and provided none on site.
59 dodge Street has not received approval as of yet but proposes 17 units and retail space in their revised plans. They are proposing 27 parking stalls, two of which will be for car sharing vehicles such as Zipcar or cargo.
If I apply the average one to one ratio 1.1 ratio that we discussed as the current demand in other similar buildings that have been built, located near transit
59 dodge street would require about 18 parking spaces while they're proposing 27. For that I don't see any need for overflow onto the
since the daycare functions during normal business hours, the 37 parking available parking stalls counted on a Sunday morning is still the worst case and will not be affected by that daycare.
The second worst time slot that we had was 41 available stalls on a weekday at 4pm. If all six are taken at once, they're still available 35 stalls for the user of 35 large street parking.
It was also brought up that the parking may increase when businesses reopens Once COVID-19 is under control. I do believe that our building will provide enough parking to remain self sufficient. And we will have limited impact on remaining available street parking even after COVID-19 as many stores have been able to
do just want to go back to that comment number 14 that was made in the January 2021. And the five traffic review letter.
We have applied the land use code shopping center that Mr. Fishing garage into the parking calculations. And it is our opinion that with this broad use that includes uses such as movie theaters, restaurants, post offices, banks, health clubs and recreational facilities, examples of which are ice skating rooms or miniature golf courses that we have shown that the parking provided on site is efficient, and we're a wide variety of uses. Therefore, we do not believe that I never put necessary at this time.
Do you believe that you've covered all the comments in the Indy five letter? I do believe that we have addressed all of the comments. Okay. I have no further questions is witness, Mr. Chairman.
mishandle, can you take
can we take down the share screen?
report, did any of those streets metered streets that have no parking allowed windows for snow plowing or for street cleaning at any time?
They do and that was factored in to all of the T one through five tables that are in the back of your report.
So you'll be able to see errors
have limited parking would show that that that was restricted from a certain time or during the time
and any impact with that? Well, your study that was this there was also the same and they would they would factor that in. So it would be the 37. stalls on Sunday and the
41 open stalls at 4pm on a weekday.
Mr. Chairman, if none of the board members have any more questions, I have a few. Go ahead.
Nicole, I'm going to ask her if he should swear me in just in case I there veered towards testimony. Absolutely. Raise your right hand. Oh, you're muted, Nicole.
I keep forgetting. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. just state your name for the record or general finger with bright view engineering. Thank you, Mr. Fishman.
Oh, excuse me, this handle, can you pull back up? I'll start with traffic. The full bill the am volume thing here? I think it was a printout of the synchro runs. I apologize. I don't have which exhibit it was
we'll build the aim. For we can start with that.
So can you clarify, I'm looking at the volumes for the two site driveways? Why are there no volumes on the through movements on Lawrence or our street.
So we determined that
those ultimately ended up down here at the south side of the bay.
existing conditions, they would be the two and the 13 that come through here. So that would account for all of the movements on Lord street are sticking up here for our street. And then when we factored ours, and we just added our our total vehicles to this already pre determined.
these are the screenshots directly from the synchro model, I assume? Yes. So why don't those numbers need to be added into this model in order to calculate the driveway levels of service?
We're not anticipating anyone coming up from orange tree and turning into the driveway. Right, but the cars that are ready on Warren street still have to go past the driveway.
We can I can certainly add that in for you.
in both situations.
Okay. And then I wanted to
without getting into a lot of technical details for the board, can you You gave the overall levels of service at the traffic signal? And primarily I'm concerned with the full build numbers. What are there any individual movements that operate worse than a D level service?
I I didn't run it for individual movements. I just ran it for the overall intersection. But it didn't increase the either the level of service and it didn't. It didn't increase the intersection signal delay by more than two seconds in either situation.
This is where I'm going to veer slightly to testimony based on what I can see in the seeker reports there is
there is at least what is classified as a North bound free movement runs at a level of service he
looks like you're correct that it doesn't get any its remains and even it goes from
59 seconds or 64 seconds. Um one other question with the timings did you make any changes to the signal timing at the traffic signal as part of your analysis or these changes in delay strictly from adding volume.
We did not use the signals coming from the from the no bill to the full build that was just from adding the cars
And then to move on to parking, the, you were quoting, a variety of numbers, the ID numbers you quoted for retail, were they the average numbers in the 85th percentile.
So they were the average numbers, they seemed more realistic to us than the 85th percentile for this type of retail that we had, except in an area. So
which will lead me to my move, but I was getting a little later question, as Mr. gaseum has made abundantly clear, you don't have a tenant in mind. So how can you make that leap to say that there, the average truck parking counts are appropriate when you don't know what the retail use will be?
Well, we can base it off of you know, the general neighborhood that is existing there, it doesn't, it doesn't seem like they have any destination shopping, it doesn't, it doesn't seem as as a neighborhood that would appreciate a high area of holiday shopping, or any, any, any big department store or anything like that, that would fit in, but the land use food or shopping center Does, does study a lot of different types of uses. That could be retail, as I stated before. And so with that wide range, and the average of that we do believe that this that our parking lot will be able to plan.
Did you look at what some of the more intense uses could that could fit in this space I some sort of restaurant use,
where people will be staying much longer
than say your neighborhood dry cleaner. So we didn't specifically look at restaurants. But however, in the shopping center, land use code, they do specify the fresh runs are included in their studies without would be included. And we are anticipating that some of the patrons of this retail use, say it's a Russia I don't know, we don't have any tenants. They would park in the metered parking along dodge Street. And and walk over so they wouldn't be fully utilizing the parking lot, or they were trying to find is a little bit closer of a walk that from the archery Park.
I'm sorry, could you repeat that? That the the on street parking is closer than your internal parking? Did I hear that correctly? Well, it hasn't been determined if the rear door will be
for patrons or not yet. So that rear door to the building is not utilized for users of the retail space, then they would have to walk around using the sidewalk that's proposed on the side of the game to Lawrence Street, or use the sidewalk coming out of our street and walk around to the front of that door.
So then you have in that situation the party on God Street was definitely closer than the parking in our street parking.
What did you heard the earlier testimony that there wasn't any signage planned
to direct visitors to the artistry line as you put it? Can you apply on that? Do you concur that no signage event type is necessary?
I do believe that Mr. Petri did answer that question. I also confirmed what he said. If you know a lot of places that have parking lots in the rear that, you know, you just have to you have to kind of find it. If you go there and a lot you'll know that there's a parking lot there. If not, you're just running in for a quick thing you'll probably park on the street. And about.
And then my last question, and I'll say is my opinion for my test direct testimony? Did you do a formal shared parking analysis for this site? Looking at the parking demand for the retail and the residential by hour of the day to determine how much of a ship how much parking can be shared between the two uses.
No, we did not do a formal study on that number. Based on the information from the IP it was stated that their peak times for residents and residents and retail uses do not overlap. Therefore we believe that the retail patrons will not be utilized.
As an adult not utilizing the parking, like residents could have their guests or need to park their cars in a parking lot.
Those are all the questions I have for now. Mr. Chairman, I'll follow up with my direct testimony at the appropriate time.
Want to follow up with protections or follow up on one of your points regarding the signage on Arch Street? And my question would be with with no signage there,
either signage identified in the street address or the name
what's, what's your plan to keep commuters out of the parking lot. So they don't go in their pocket, take the train, or they don't drive down the driveway and then discover that it's not a stable place to project change.
My experience of
realizations creates tremendous demand for on street for what three illegal for free parking.
And we've experienced that in many areas.
What's your view on that?
Nothing very good point, the transition is located within, you know, 400 feet of this site.
to deter that mean, we obviously could put in a sign that would say, you know, no commuter parking available for the train station, that would that would make it easier for that sign content, incorporate some identification as the chair is endangered.
For sure. Okay, interrupt you. Certainly, Michael, I would have no objection to the board conditioning, any approval shall be granted. On a sign that one says prohibition against people parking there using the train station, and second set of markings provide for the gaps of the residents and for the users of the commercial space.
That would be my suggestion.
We have no objection to that. But it is a logical suggestion. Thank you.
Other other questions for this?
gentleman, George Williams. Go ahead. My name is Jeremy. Mr. Kissinger stole one of my questions about the shared parking analysis. My other question would be relative to a comment that was made by Mr. Steve, pertaining to the transit oriented nature of this site in its proximity to the watch that same train station
is handled. Did you do any analysis of the parking
demand given its proximity? The site's proximity to the train station? If so, can you apply on that?
Sure. So the entire study, the the way that the land use codes are broken out, is based on the area
that the site is located in. So while I don't have a right in front of me, they're broken out into general.
Like I said, What do you say names girls? Yeah, so so we use the IP, and they have different different clubs for different buildings, if it's mid rise, or if it's a low rise, high rise, anything like that, and then they break it out further into the type of area that you're in. So we are in a general urban or suburban area. Further from there, they haven't broken out into if you're within half a mile of railroad or public transit, or if you're greater than half a mile from public transit. So for all of our calculations,
within half a mile of public transit, thank you in your planner may offer additional testimony,
traditional to the principles, but are you comfortable offering any opinions about transit oriented development principles as a places application and its parking
I will I'll leave that up to the player
is chairman Michael Rubin. I have a couple questions.
Just explain how garbage your FedEx truck is going to get into and out of the loading space on the public parking lot.
So I do believe Mr. CD did the turning templates for that, actually,
if that's what you're asking.
But as he described, the truck would call in from our street? It would I don't think I have a
I do have this. These are the engineering plans our office worked on. So here you guys can see this screen now, right? Yes.
Okay, so as you can see, this is the artistry driveway, and
we're talking about
the garbage truck with clothing off in the harsh Street. And it would have to pull nose down these this aisle and back in to this loading song, and then pull pull front out, so there is no rear, there's a rear exit will always be pulling front in and then front out.
But if you needed a terrain template for that, I believe is for them for vehicles. And
back, I didn't see those because perhaps Miss maroochy or Mr. Kissinger seen those, I just haven't seen those. And I just don't know, maybe both of them would be willing to impart on whether or not a truck is going to be able to make that left hand turn. And whether or not the truck being in that loading area is going to create site distance problems for vehicles entering the parking here
was a large truck is not going to make that a left hand turn and is parked in the loading zone, they're going to have to pull out into the lane backup and then pull out and make the left is the turning tempo is not gonna work. I mean,
in that respect, but
but if they're basically have to utilize the the drive the driveway in between.
and as long as you and Mr. Efficient, you're okay with them making those maneuvers, I just want to make that clear on the record. And again, I have a question about sight distance of vehicles entering
the parking area. If there is a truck in that loading area.
Our office will be I'm sorry, our office would also be able to provide the training template for you. And we will also be able to provide some site data for you.
Are you okay with that? I'd like to see the turning templates. Yes. Okay. We'll do that.
All right. Any other experts? Are Mr. Chairman? Yes. I have a question as well. I couldn't find my microphone.
If you could also include that that template, the exit and entrance off of Park Street as well, since you consider them to be a fairly narrow street in
and how template laughing right off of this? Primarily left, you know, because there's no place to go. Right. But yes. Okay. Yeah. And I loved right would just be, you know, part of me loves me.
All right. Is there any member of the public was a question I need that.
just a question kind of a comment on in terms of that loading zone that is designated in the charting templates would it would it make more sense or is it possible that the loading zone that is currently marked the on the other side of the drive
so in other words, see down here Yeah, exactly. I would think that would make the turn a little more feasible.
We can certainly check the terrain template coming in. I'm just not sure if this if we put parking stalls here the truck might not be able to make this swing to get back in into this lucky zone when we don't have to you know mark off an area in here and in my reviews our parking further but we can certainly try that over here as well and see if that works out.
Thank you. Just the comments are
I need to for the share screen to go away.
That's okay. Take your time. All right, let's see. No, I don't see any hands up.
All right, thank you.
Hello, you had a question with regard to usage of the commercial space,
it is likely that you you would have a high intensity user, or is it more likely you would have no destination type users and not identity user at a business location such as this show that the numbers you put together would be consistent?
We do believe that it will be more of a low intensity user that would occupy this space.
And that's normal for this kind of location with regard to commercial space that caters to the residents in the immediate area. Is that correct? Yes. And you've been told that by by just observing the surrounding retailers in the area?
Well, I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman. I have I'm sorry. Go ahead. Mr. President. I have one more witness. That is the plan ever based on questions that were put forth in the request with regard to attorney templates. And I assume you want that done before a decision is made? If that's the case?
If that's the case, I would prefer if the board is okay with it to I believe usually cut off at 11. I prefer to let my planner testify at the next hearing if that is satisfactory to the chairman and the members of the board.
That is satisfactory. And Chairman to the members have any comments?
Mr. Chairman, I just have one comment that the air traffic report is complete. Did we ever get an answer to staffing?
needs in the parking lot and staffing in the residential?
took an action item to find out and I did I did not read by quiet is traveling. I thought he was available. But
I'm available as I was able to unmute before I apologize. Every every now and then we can get that question answered right now as opposed to that issue. Oh, boy. Yeah. Okay. Let me swearing Mr. stall, Mr. stall, your what we've learned
I got it. Thank you. You heard the question that was raised with regard to staffing, if you can give any comments with regard to that? Sure. First, I want to thank everyone for working overtime and double overtime and I apologize before for not being able to unmute in terms of staffing of the building, you will either have the full time super or a part time super and part time quarter.
Either way, we'll have full time coverage in the building. I just don't know for sure for certain what will work better. The difference between a super and a quarter is as follows a quarter usually deals with maintenance and a super usually interfaces with attendance with municipality with vendors and so on and so forth.
Super he would also act as importer. I just don't know what
to do. I was signed to the project get well make the most sense to either way we'll have full time coverage again, either full time or part time super part time.
manager there. We're focused management on the property.
This is for Eli. Yes. Yep.
Yes. So no, no, yes, yes.
We did not. We will not have a on a onsite manager for this particular property. It's only 36 units.
They live that
I will have I most likely will have a whether it's full time or part time however we reach we'll have somebody living either in the building or go
Any other questions? You missed yourself. So ladies and building that means that one, one of the apartment units that we looked at is going to be in that case, committed to the superintendent.
That's correct. With the super lives in that building. You'll take one of those 36. Yes. Alternatively, he'll live within one block. Thank you, Lawrence for your artistry.
I'm sure. I have one other question. Mr. Solis. The board members have other questions. Go ahead.
So you've listened to the testimony. And the question with regard to the kinds of tenants you're going to have, I understand that you will not have any is this size, but do you have some thought as to the type of tenant you would be looking for the occupy the retail space?
We were we assume will get neighborhood convenience type of tenancy not destination type of retail.
I have no further questions. Mr. Chairman,
board. Any other questions for Mr.
Any member of the public have a question for
Mr. Williams has a question. I don't think
on here yet. It is right there.
is a jury never see us. Are they invisible? Now he's there, I say.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Poe, thank you. Quick question about the commercial component of this.
It's roughly 5000 square feet and I can understand correctly, that's cracked slightly larger. Yes. And you contemplated being split for multiple tenants more than 5000 plus square feet for a single tenancy. It was designed so that we can have a single tenant or multiple tenants, most likely either 110 or two tenants. Again, we don't know because we don't have any specific tenant in mind. But only that one tenant most like there are two tenants.
The architect designed as such, the doors have different from different frontage capabilities.
Thank you. Sure. I have one last question for Mr. Sol. Do you plan to permit
tests such as cats and dogs in the residential area?
I think about it by beliefs. I believe we will. All right. Thank you.
That's in my opinion. Good idea.
I agree. I grew up with the two dogs.
Any other questions for Mr. Stone? I'll just say it one more chairman.
You heard the chairman's concerned about signage with regard to people parking in your parking lot, or going to the train station, and making it clear that it's accessible for prospective customers of your commercial space. Do you have any objections that side is being placed? I have no objection. I think it's reasonable. I think it's prudent.
I have no further questions. Any other questions?
Your commercial might be two presenters here. And then flipping this over to traffic consultant, does that impact or change your calculations in any way?
I think the question is directed to you. Right. So I believe that both of those uses would be would be low impact retail uses, even if it was split. Our data was taken from the whole 5000 roughly 5000 square feet.
So I don't believe that if there was two uses versus one larger use, it would be any different impact.
What about in terms of parking space wise or anything like that? The rear
again, the same answer. I think it would, it would roughly equate to the same.
you, thank you.
Then my, my question again.
If it needs to be completed that I will put my flavor out immediately, but I don't
If you can be based on the requests that were made by, I believe the planner and the engineer, or the traffic consultant with regard to attorney template, photo, and I put the board over to one of our electrical parking and turning templates for the loading and unloading space. So if that's going to be requires my request, again, is that I allow my planner to testify the last night being a crucial witness that I can show up. And we finished the case at that point, so that his testimony is fresh in your mind. Yes, definitely. And you also have to hear from our experts as well. So that'll take a bit of time.
Fly with Joe. So Well, during February 11. Is that benefactor?
me at 7pm, correct?
Yes, this is Steve on
bad news for you. I am unavailable on February 11th. And it
may not happen is going to happen.
there's Chairman I obviously, I now stand corrected.
So I just I'm sorry to have this discussion in front of everybody. But just one question. Can someone from your firm testify that you have a large firm?
As I'm looking at my as I looked at the town right into your home available in February,
we have 1234. We already have six meetings scheduled for that night. As you guys know, I'm not sure that all the meetings are listed. I think it's dicey to suggest somebody can.
I don't want to use the board side. Certainly the board that I have to repair and ask you the board's want to hear my bladder right now.
We've reached the
curfew, Mrs. gaseum. I understand I will approach that I understand that. Okay, so
can I adjourn to February 11. with the caveat that I made, after checking with the other members of Mr. Burgess, his office after then adjourned again, but I'd rather the carry to February 11. I'm sure to quiet anxious that this McAdams was done. You can do that. Mr. Benson.
Thank you. Mr. Casio. If you could just communicate with me on this. I'll take it. I'll take it from there. This is Michael Rubin. Yeah, I understand. Like I recognize your voice. I'm sorry about
My apologies. Okay, so we'll adjourn to February 11. At 7pm without further notice, and I'll find out if I'm going to have a plan that night as quickly as possible. And you'll be waiving time constraints. I think I was the chairman, of course. Thank you very much as
you would all the board members
and experts in workouts,
and most importantly, Nicole. Most importantly, definitely.
the only the only comment I would have is that the 25th is rapidly filling up.
First, this is going to be allowed
to the 25th. It will be first. Okay.
Motion to adjourn
is by Lawrence straight to the regular meeting on February 11. At 7pm with no further
movements, the chairman.
Is there a second?
All 90 seconds. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Or no one oppose
55 line again for February 11. At 7pm. Thank you.
And this is where you get those renderings and replaced Mamiya topic short.
Any other business?
Actually, you know what? Those were already circulated by email. Some of them might have been and some of them might not have been I have to go through and see what I already have in the file. Quite a few circulated by email. Yes.
Anyone you know, Michael that were put on at the last minute correct and we're not regulated. Okay. There
I will send clean copies of what I presented this evening. That would be great. And that would be great. If all all of the consultants can do that just to make it a little bit easier. And they just circulated my email. Absolutely send me a digital copy and I can just forward it on to the board members.
Thank you. Thank you.
Any other business board? I have none.
And I have a motion.
I'll make a motion.
second. Mr. Chairman for a second. All in favor, please say aye.