Moya with the hard questions. Yeah, these institutions are terrible, and they were constructed for a certain purpose. In a lot of ways they uphold, and deepens very oppressive histories, and structures, and ways of being, and culture. At the same time, under the current system of neoliberal white supremacist capitalism, universities still do provide some nooks and crannies, and corners that of possibility and exploration. I am of the mind of, like any institution, how much can we push them? How much can we transform them? What can we do with them? I feel the same way about political parties, governments or tech companies for that matter. People inside the tech industry are reading Design Justice in ways that I never would have necessarily expected. Yesterday, a former student told me that they're now working at Apple, and Apple employees are reading Design Justice for their first book club this year. I did a talk at Twitter. Last year, I did a thread on Twitter, where I talked to my community and was like, "Hey, everyone, I've been invited to go talk to Twitter, what should we tell them"? Of course, people responded with a lot of great suggestions that black feminists have been saying for a decade, at least, about ways that Twitter needs to improve things to reduce hatred, and trolling, and constant attacks on all kinds of marginalized peoples and especially on black women and femmes. Yeah, so to me, this is an opportunity to just try and amplify all of these critiques that people have had and have been bringing forward anyway. That's a roundabout way of trying to get to our role as academics. Just whatever privileges we get access to, yeah, I think we have a responsibility to try and use and leverage those two, 1) continue to bring in additional people and more voices, and also 2) amplify what people coming from social movements have already been saying, and sometimes that has an effect. I have an example.