16Sep21 Community Call
9:21PM Sep 16, 2021
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see what you're coming in with anything that we should know about?
it's Lorraine here I don't mind starting I'm on my phone, which I'm not used to with zoom so I can't see everybody. Um, and I'm the reason I'm not on my laptop and I don't have my camera on as I'm lying down because I'm feeling very weird. So I was gonna not log in. And then I was like, I think this is a group of people I can feel weird with. But I'm feeling like, very fuzzy. I was having trouble breathing earlier. So I'm like, Okay, I'm just gonna lie down. So I think I'm okay, but just in a bit of a kind of cosmic overwhelm. And so again, maybe this is the ideal place to be. So I'm here I'm definitely listening. And if my body reconnects to the rest of me, I will log in fully and be able to see Well, it's nice to be here with you.
Cool, thanks, Lorraine. Nice to have you here. Weird to know who's next that this 250 and then Tim asmik overwhelm certainly resonates I think that was well said by the rain.
Yeah, I can resonate with that. Either Jeff or Louisa can attest that I tried to jump on this call yesterday. So yeah, there's a there's a sense of discombobulation and, and trying to find center again, that's definitely pervading. I'm really happy to be here. And look forward to hearing the rest your check ins and then fixing my technology. Cool. Awesome. Thanks, Betsy. And Tim, who's next? Um, I think,
yeah, related to what has been shared, what, even before the call, what comes up for me is how hard it is to keep centered in, you know, working within the direction we're wanting to go. There's so much that pulls us into old ways of being and thinking that it's sort of a constant process of centering, I think.
Thanks, Mary. I can jump in. So it's been four weeks since my last call. So things are going really well in Portugal. And I'm having this first experience of being by myself for a month. So I'm really enjoying that and, and also having the opportunity to join the calls. And I'd really like to catch up on the videos. That's that's sort of where I'm at, because I feel like I've been, you know, missing the progression, which I've so enjoyed with you all. So glad to be getting back to it. And I'll be listening to the past calls to get up to speed on the conversation.
Cool. Thanks, everyone. Karen, make sure you especially listened to last week, because certainly for Jeff and I was a bit of a turning point into a new direction. So we're really excited about this new direction and so grateful to be doing it with you guys specifically. But yes, just wanted to make sure that one was highlighted. Cool, well, let's pass it over. Let me just check in. I'm doing really well. Really happy and excited about where we're going with well, mega, very excited about where we're going with wall maker. I've started already on module four. So I'll be doing the first round of modules four through seven as well as going back into module one with this new direction that we're actually going to be talking about today with you guys. And also at the same time feeling very heavy hearted about what's happening in the world, especially in the Western world with, with the economic policies that are starting to come in, and the also, of course, the medical mandates and the loss of civil liberty, the political situation and the extraordinary overreach of governments all over the world, including my own home country. Especially, is is, it's heavy in my heart. So I'm coming in with these two pictures. Jeff, can you do a quick check in and then we can get started?
Yeah. Okay. Thanks, everyone. Hi. I feel that heaviness that Louisa mentioned. Also, as you know, I just turned 50. And part of this for me is seeing 50 as maturity but not old age. And that's, that's kind of a new perspective, because I always thought 50 was old, you know, when I was young. And I thought the 30s and the 40s were maturity. But the 30s and 40s. For me were maturing to like, in the 40s. You know, I won't get into it, but they just totally kicked my ass. And, um, yeah, so, so turning 50 I feel I feel ready for this next phase, and really energetic and energized and excited. And I feel like I've, I've dropped a lot of the baggage that I was carrying. So it's like I've, you know, maybe you've had this experience where you've, like, lived a life within this lifetime, and life is rebooting. So there's some of that happening for me. So yeah, what's going on in the world, I've, in a way, I've seen it coming for a long time. But I thought it was in the future. And I realized, as I've shared here before, the other day, you know, a few months ago with a big shock, like 18 months ago, oh, shit that features now. So, so my reminder is that what the what the world is going going to go through now? Is, is inevitable and unstoppable. The only question is, how do we go through it, because if we can go through with, with wisdom and presence in enough clarity, then we can, we can turn it to our advantage, at some point we can make, we can make something good of it. If we can't go through it with enough presidents in a presence, and clarity and love and generosity and wisdom, and sight insight, then it will just drag us down and and torment us because we're not collectively seeing what it is. And so this is gonna be a long game that we're playing. And it's important to get set up for that long game, it's important to roll in community, it's important to do our inner work, it's important to be connected, because it's not going away. It's just going to come on full. But we can we can embrace that with a lot of joy and a lot of clarity and wisdom and smart. So I'm Vaclav Havel has a concept called parallel structures. And he talks about it in one of his books, where he said, you know, during the communist regime, it was necessary for people to create parallel structures, which were like parallel societies were, where they had community and they had all the freedom and joy that they could under the oppressive regime, they found a way to, to survive and thrive. So we're thinking about that, too. The reason I in our family and we're thinking about, you know, where's our community, where's our parallel structure, and we wanted to build the school to be one. And along the way, it hasn't blossomed and flourished and grown in the way that we had imagined, but it is blossoming and flourishing and growing in unexpected ways. And so I want to underline that because catching you up, Karen talking about our next steps is sort of dovetailing into that that impulse, that idea. So in the last couple of weeks, we've shared with the community about how we have needed to step back and reflect on on what we're doing and realize that the school can't can't grow and flourish in the way that we thought it was because of market conditions, because we're not making the money that we need through the school. And we have realized that the school needs to not be the only way that we make money and it needs to grow and thrive and become something without that kind of pressure on it. And so number one, we've taken steps, and we're taking steps. And the too long didn't read his order, you know, in summary, is going to finish world maker as a much more streamlined, reduced version, instead of the, you know, six season
Netflix special, we're going to do the graphic novel version of it. And so what that means practically, is getting probably seven modules done with one or two videos per module. And we've taken a step back to sort of think about that, and we're starting to get into, okay, how are we going to do that? So in the coming weeks, we're going to be doing that. And we'll probably figure out ways to involve you folks in that as well. And and part of that is, you know, in in the writing, like, Can you comment on this? Or what do you think about this? Or is this more important than that? And so that's, that's what's going on, that kind of catches you up, Karen, in the last four weeks. Yesterday, I had a call with Mila. She brought her team into world maker and they're antsy to get going. they've they've done, I think most of them have done the first two modules. And so we're gonna be working with them over the next few months to kind of support their team as we streamline and rearrange and, and finish this first version of FileMaker. But one thing that she mentioned was just trying to understand the arc of webmaker. Like, what is the ark that we're going through? What is the meta process that we're going through? And I thought to quickly review that this morning, or today on today's call, and enroll you in that and talk about that, and maybe just hear what you guys have to say about it. So that because it's really good input for for Louisa and me to hear what you're thinking and your reflections before we sort of dive into that streamlining process. Does that make sense? Is that good? All right. So let me just make sure that my screen is ready to share. Okay, can you see this picture? Oh, yes. Oh, okay. This picture? Yep. All right. So, this is how we initially planned sort of world maker and there is there is an arc here. Just gonna do a little drawing here. JOHN jaw in purple. Okay, there's an arc here to take a person through a kind of process. You lead Tim and Louisa. Yep, I just did. Yeah. And the idea is that as this person goes through this through this process, they get Okay, they get more and more capable. Now, what does that mean to become capable? That means that really capacity is built from from within, right? So it's not the same as skill or competence. What we mean by capable is not knowledge but knowing. Or you have to have competence and skill and knowledge to be capable, but capability lends you adaptability, and consistency. So what I have striven for, and I think there's a parallel in Louise's life is to be able to understand creativity and apply creativity in different media. What does that mean? That means to go into a different context, like a large scale social change project, or another community or another culture or a different family or your own family or your relationship and to and to have some inner capability to serve and support both others and their goals. Or you can say others and the sort of alchemical development of that context. And we've called that after Joseph boys building this social sculpture. And the idea being that, that, especially here, where you're talking about areas of life, that concern, really community at all different scales.
And so that aspiration is really at the heart of this course, which is a way of saying, I want to be the best I can be in my life, which means to me, I'm capable, I have this capability, and it's growing, there's no upper limit, to, to serve and support the healing and transformation of humanity, of the family of the community of this company of this culture, or whatever, wherever people are in the world, in their sphere of influence and sphere of activity. But and to do that, what we what we have experienced and done is sort of mapped out these preliminary preconditions. And we try to map out a kind of universal archetype that corresponds to today's culture, today's conditions. And that's a tall order, right? I mean, I can just hear in my own mind, critics voices saying, Yeah, how would you possibly do that? Well, that, that's, that's here, right? That's in our arch our way into that is phenomenology. To understand and say, okay, the human being has an innate possibility of seeing ever more deeply into reality. And, and transforming those habits and those elements of one's disposition, that prevent that seeing. And, thirdly, connecting with the source, connecting with the upstream connecting with the
is alive in understanding in, in seeing in creativity. And that's a that's, that's sort of a spiritual fact of existence, which is easily overlooked. But the phenomenology of that enables us to understand our understanding or see our seeing potentized our potential, develop our creativity. And so there's, this is the way that we've kind of mapped the the taxonomy or the anatomy of the human soul or human path on this journey. And then, and then this piece, this creativity piece is is put in here because this action alized This is the bridge, okay, this, this, this is the school This is the training for seeing into the phenomena, transforming the habits and the dispositions that keep us uncreative, tapping into the source of creativity, all of this comes into knowing and competence and capacity building about how creation happens, how, how is it possible for people to create new realities. And and so, this is this is inner capacity, this is creativity, and then this is creating. New, similar, there you go, I got new creating new realities in my social life in my communities. So that up to now has been, what we have thought about willmaker as we've done this, We the pandemic, the pandemic. And moreover, our response to the pandemic. Has has just highlighted for me personally, and I think for Louisa and me as a as a, as a team. How much of a stretch this is, for our culture, it's a big stretch. Or I would say, especially for the social change community, within which we've been working for the last 20 years. painting with broad brushstrokes, it's much more common in that community to try to change the world through technique and competence and skill and smart and cloud smart plans and implementing solutions, then it is to think about that social reality as this sort of alchemical retort, where new realities come forth from from within, at all scales. So we've contrasted the this sort of social sculpture paradigm with the plan and implement or solution Ising paradigm. And we've just seen that, you know, in market terms, there's not a lot of market for social sculpture, it's just the big paradigm shift. So to sum up, where we're going now is kind of reversing, instead of putting social sculpture in front, saying, if you want to change the world, really need to understand this whole different paradigm, which makes you have to do all this inner work and become a completely different person, we're going to sort of shift that and say, everyone wants to transform, everyone wants to become creative, everyone wants to make a better world. Well, we have a very unique and singular path doing that, if you're interested. Here it is, this is the path. So that's going to ripple through the content of the course, to focus more on, on development of creative ability and capacity, with social sculpture in the background. So I hope that makes sense.
It's, for us, it's a pretty radical shift it, but it's a big relief, because I think this is the shift that will enable us, instead of having 42 videos, in nine modules, we'll probably have 12 videos in seven months, seven modules, and they'll be shorter videos. So it's just really going to be streamlined. And this is the this is the conceptual shift that makes that possible. So let me start there and get and get into dialogue with you to just see how this lands. If it makes sense. It might be too technical, it might be esoteric for you. But let me stop there. And just let's get into dialogue.
I think Karen said it perfectly in her her comments that it changes the packaging, and maybe some of the vocabulary. But it absolutely makes sense. And I of course love that you're making it more understandable at my level.
Then chopping it into smaller bites that are more palatable to a larger number of people. I truthfully, when I watch your videos, I have to watch take notes, and then watch it again. Because it's so much that I cherish I almost don't want to miss any drop of it, if that makes sense. Um everything that you said Jeff resonates with other voices that I am seeing through social media, healing, transforming lots of people saying we need to wake up of course that it's going to get harder, but that this is something society has to go through. And we do need the different leaders, of which you and Louisa are saying here some ways to go through this. This is how I mean, if we're, you know, one lady says she's like, we're all up leveling, up leveling, then this is how we have to take our conscious up to the next level consciousness up to the next level. I might have lost my train of thought on that. I know I get it. Yeah. That was very clear. I thought.
You know, one question to put to you guys. I think, for us, we're seeing that there is a certain there is a there's some foundations that need to be put in place in society first, before something like social sculpture or threefold social organism can thrive, which is culture. And culture needs to be invested in, and it needs to be nourished, like good soil before, something like social sculpture. And that kind of impulse can really bear fruit. So I think our shift is a bit like that, too. we're realizing that we need to nourish culture, culture is such a blind spot in the social change world, everywhere. And that's what needs the that's what needs the investment. So the question for you guys is how do you see that when you think about culture, when you think about art, creativity, and investing in culture, through art and creativity, how does that relate to your personal lives, your how you see where you're going next?
Okay, I don't want to speak and dominate, but I was excited.
So what came to mind when you were speaking, WESA is the comparison of how we have destroyed the soil by taking the richness out of it. And we have destroyed our culture by keeping cheapening, it, um, the art, the arts have gone from being an art to being an entertainment. Um, the thoughts are not deep, they're shallow. There's some quote, it's on the tip of my tongue. But it talks about how we are just seeking to be entertained.
And we're so easily distracted. So there's, it's like the, if you watch any of those, they're great documentaries. I don't remember which one it was. But it talks about how industrialized machines have destroyed our soil. by digging into it and and raping the land, taking it the kill, I mean, the chemicals have killed the organisms. And we've done that to ourselves, and our culture. And we've taken it out of our schools, and we've taken it out of our language, and we've taken it out of our music. And so as you were speaking, the only parallel that I could think of was, likes shared in this documentary, we need to put these things back in the soil. And therefore, we need to put these things back into the culture so that we're feeding the, the soil, the soul, like we're feeding the soil. I mean, think about like Jeff and I grew up with classical music. And I mean, you know, the hearing a piece that just is like a knife in your gut, it touches your emotions, it makes you feel things that you can't verbalize or you didn't know was there. It takes you on a journey. And our music doesn't do that for the for the most part. Or it takes you on a journey you don't want to go on. Yeah, Shostakovich Beethoven's Ninth. I mean, I can think of a lot of pieces that I probably don't know the name of. But
I just I found what you were saying the least that just hit me at that soul level. And again connected me to the visual of the documentary that I watched about the soil and educating and what we've done to that. But really, we have done that same thing to culture.
Yeah. And that you just, you just encapsulated, the shift within Jeff and I, and the shift that we see is needed. We think in Wall maker.
kiss the ground. Yes. Yes. That was it. Yeah. There are some great ones right now kiss the ground. Something about their soil in the one. There's another one biggest little farm. That was one that came to my mind. I haven't seen that one. So I'm done. I'm adding it to my list on my phone. Karen. Thank you.
I'd love to build on that if I can, please. And it it circles back. I think, Jeff, to your question. So I feel like in a way, you're you, Jeff and Louisa, you're presenting us with where you're at, in building some infrastructure for this community, this parallel structure to form, find safety see itself. And so there's this kind of meta question of the infrastructure or like what's needed to make that possible. And as I'm listening to it, I'm also experiencing the need for that, like, I'm in the like, I'm caught in the gears of the broken machine, feeling broken, and needing that, not brokenness that you're asking about, how do we make that not broken? So it's like, a very bizarre multi layer feeling like, and I'm not saying this to raise alarm bells, like the alarm bells already raised, but I was literally debating, do I call 911 before this call? Or do I like login, like, that's the threshold I'm at. Because I'm literally having chest pains and experiencing numbness. And I'm pretty sure that it's my body reacting flip flopping. Like I'm pretty sure I'm not having a heart attack. And I like, we'll keep you posted. So like, it's real. It's so real, that my cells are responding to what's happening. And I feel like this weekend, things became really real. I think just in the last few days, things have become really real for a lot of people from a lot of different angles. And in my case, I sort of walked into a wall of fire that I didn't realize was there, like I've been kind of humming along in my parallel structure, you guys, lots of good friends, not everybody who agrees or sees the world the same way I do, but sufficient safety to like, oh, but Betsy, your sweet asked me if my I've alerted my neighbor that I'm in a kind of red zone. And we're checking in, so thank you. But yeah, I walked into this wall of fire where I thought I was actually going to go travel and visit my parents today I was going to be leaving, I wasn't getting on this call. And I encountered such violence from other family members. That just boggled my mind. And I realized, like, wow, we are in such different places in terms of how we understand both what's going on, and who each of us is in relation to one another. It was so forceful that I didn't see it as like, well, that can't be happening, because that doesn't make any sense. And so I've been trying to hold these lenses of curiosity and humor. And I feel like Jeff, in the early in the opening modules, I forget if it's one or two, where you're showing us examples of how different leaders have brought about social change. And I feel like humor and curiosity have been so key, like those have been elements that I've lifted up, and when I can hold that energy, so I'm toggling between two layers. One is like the infrastructure you're building and trying to share what might help. And then the others like what's happening because I can't help but reflect that. I feel like the moment I let my curiosity and my willingness to see the humor, even in the darkest of stuff, I let that go away, and I let the either defensiveness or anger or fear, be the dominant, I guess energies. It's terrible. It's like, the water thrown on the witch in The Wizard of Oz. Like I'm just incapable of staying upright. And so I've been trying to think about, like, what enables me to stay curious, even when I'm being threatened, you know, what enables me to find things funny, even when they're really fucked up. I don't have answers. But even when things are happening, I'm asking like, you know, like, there'd be a sort of humor and like, like, dying this week, like, what would be funny about it, like, no, there'd be some funny things, because there's been some funny conversations with my family.
And then I guess, just lastly, I would push us even harder, in spite of how hard this already is. Because I will say with some humility, but also some frustration that in my opinion, kiss the ground and biggest little firm are part of the problem, even though there's amazing merit within them. Because they're very nested still, from what I'm sensing in a kind of recolonizing. Like, I'm seeing some of the region egg as like recolonize egg again, even though it's not intending to do that. And even though it looks at soil, ecology, and life and soil, it's so many white people jumping into the regenda AG bandwagon, that there's this huge risk of re colonizing all over again, without realizing there's a whole community of people from around the world who've been practicing this forever, or some version of keeping our mother alive. And here we go white people making documentaries about it, like it's a new thing. And I know there's lots of documentaries about other people who've been doing this forever. And I personally like was one of the loudest shoulders on the regeneration bandwagon. So I'm as much critiquing my own evolution. But I'm cautious about those kinds of documentaries, because I think they exclude a lot of voices, and lure us again until like, yeah, that is like, wait, also not that something else? I don't know what it is. Anyways, that was a lot. Plus there? Yeah,
I can I can hear, I can hear your voices different and your energy is, is, you know, sick feeling like you're, you're fighting something or you're, you know, you're in a in an altered state of physical reality, right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I also have my older glasses on. So I probably look different, because usually I have different glasses. So they probably make my face looks a bit pointier. Because these are three lenses. Oh, I just got them redone. So I probably look a bit different.
Yeah, it's mostly your voice that I'm hearing. As I'm orally oriented, sounds stopped up or, you know, swollen or something.
I think what what you're saying, Lorraine, is sort of what I came in with, we have to examine, at every step, our way just reinforcing something from the past, or are we making progress? So I guess with the next steps with magenta, my question is, is what you're doing in terms of, or should I say what we are doing? Is that another marketing strategy? Or is it sort of understanding the last thing you shared, Jeff was that you're starting from a more fundamental place of where people are and working with that, but I just want to make sure you're moving in authentic Place rather than a marketing place. I know that the that isn't an either or. And I also know now that you're in your 50s you don't have to.
You have a new freedom, in a way. So I just want to acknowledge that in terms of leaving the struggles behind and entering a new space, that's free prayer.
Jeff, you probably have some things coming up. But I just wanted to say one quick thing in response to the marketing. Is that is that okay?
Yeah, I wasn't gonna comment. I was gonna listen, I was hoping to hear from Tim and Karen. And just yeah, just okay. Go ahead.
So Mary, just in response, I think that's very good, and concise and insightful question. And I think what we want to do is, instead of pushing, we want to create a vacuum into which the next step is revealed, revealed, I think that's a much healthier way to engage with the question of marketing. Right now I'm I have a lot of energy to when the time is right, to engage with the community that we already have much more intensely and intimately. And not really wanting to do any marketing or outreach, but to engage with, you know, the current people
and then allow
growth to reveal itself, you know, in terms of the right way to do it. And so having the financial, not having the Financial Peace in the financial imperative enables us to do that. And that feels very freeing. That's what I want to say. But I'd love to hear from the rest of you.
Yeah, it's a complex puzzle, for sure. You know, what came up for me probably first was this, this sense of the
the rhythm of the practice that you guys are trying to present, I think is what I experience in. Instead of saying, the way you've all been doing it is wrong, you need to go back to the starting point and reorient through a foundation and build up and then you'll have capacity to do what you were trying to do correctly. But to say like, there is a rhythm to striving, and learning from the striving and making your social change, work, individual change work so that it stays aligned, and keeps a rhythm of creativity that is connected to source, and that the ideas and the models and the possibilities you create, or is based on accurate visions of reality, and visions of the coming reality as possible. And as impeded by your own individual baggage as little as possible. That that has a built in rhythm. Instead of as a single journey built forward and step gone, is what I'm hearing in, in turning away from social sculpture as the vehicle articulated vehicle to the process of world making, self making, and that conscientious rhythmic practice and attentiveness to what comes up in me How do I create the failures that I generate and how does my inability to play well with others also impede the real creativity we're seeking together and that may be my own Since that's the nature of the program I'm trying to create as well. But that's what I heard out of. out of the presentation, you guys have both shared, and I'm all for it. I think. I think it's no less hard, maybe. But it is more clear. And I think the ability to give people
ways to practice that constant rhythm while while while building and working in the world is is
may create that vacuum more might be more enticing than saying, Hey, what's missing from you? Is you and your inability to be really you think clear?
Oh, yeah, it's very clear. Think it's about the value proposition. And the way that we sort of think about that and present that in the problem solution statement. Yeah, I think on the one hand, to marry your point, there's, there's the, the hype and rah rah to avoid in marketing. And on the other hand, there's the, you know, to Tim's point, this, you know, there's the
the unhelpful approach of you're doing it wrong. Here's how to do it, right? You know, we need to avoid, avoid both of those, those are two different traps. So, same time, our priority is to just sort of get this done as at version one, in a minimum viable. So one, one thing we might do is, we're going to figure out how to do this. But as we, as we streamline, we might kind of open source this a little bit to the community. Like, we have Google Docs that we've written, that are the scripts for the videos,
we're going to,
we're going to copy those Google Docs and begin to in a second version, and you know, the copy, like, boil it down and condense it and reduce it to less, you know, and we might we were just talking read for this call about what would happen if we, a lot of you have asked, Well, how can we how can we help. So one thing we have thought about doing was inviting your reading and commenting ability in those Google Docs. And we may find out other other ways to sort of just open source this a little bit so that we have more eyes on what we're doing here. And, and I've sent that might help streamline things, I don't want to complicate it and try to create and curate by committee. But, but the impulse is, we need to find, we need to find the fastest, best smoothest way to get the to get this done in and avoid certain traps. So anyway, we're we're contemplating all these things. So if you have ideas or desires, just you know, let us know. But the timeline that we're giving ourselves is trying to get this all done before Christmas. So we're, you know, we're juggling that.
Because I don't want to ask too much because the Google docs are long
writing, and it's empty. So it's kind of like if you want to read them, and you have some high level thoughts. If that's interesting, then then we'd love to open source in that way. But no, no pressure. And everyone you know, you're all busy people so and if you have other, I love the idea and gesture of open sourcing. Because you never know what will happen in the future like where things will go and so Kind of like go with your energy is, is the is the is the creative injunction, when it comes to creative process go where the energy is. And that's it.
I wouldn't mind jamming in there. Um, I appreciate, you know, all the work that you're doing to adjust the pathway here and everyone's feedback. It feels like an enormous privilege to have started with you all and gone through the process with you with a very one on one thing, and it always was occurring in my mind, like, how would it be for someone to enter at this point, and just watch the recordings and jump in with a very close knit group or been working? Quite hands on. So that that was was always sort of a question in my mind? Like, how is that going to exactly work? Because I, again, I feel like it's been an enormous privilege to go through a very live way with you. I'm a great freemium advocate of, you know, putting some materials out there and kind of, you know, you've written lots of materials that are in Google Docs, wouldn't they lend themselves to being on script? Or whatever the latest? Or, you know, what are some of the, the new one, the new medium is? Medium? Now, there's a new medium call, it's extremely easy to sign up for the email newsletter. It's like, it's not Reddit. I have to think of it. But, you know, there's his new sort of platforms, that is where people are seeking and sourcing information and if certain excerpts or certain clips are there, even if they're out on LinkedIn, etc. Yeah, it's a new medium Lorraine. Yeah. God, what is it, that you can sign up so easily to it anyway. So, you know, getting those materials out, there might be an entry way for people to then find the materials and find the community. And, and, and I also feel like the sociocracy kind of communities could also, you know, really benefit from this work. Because it from what I see is sociocracy provides this methodology. But it doesn't really particularly address the human aspect to it, and how to creatively make changes, as I said, the fertilizer for socio kradic decision making, it feels like there's alignment there, between those groups, because I, you know, I believe this sociocracy movement is really trying to understand how to create autonomous decision making groups, whether it be in the workplace, or, you know, villages, etc. So, there feels like there could be some potential there. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's a lot on for you to prepare material and market it and keep the ongoing live session going. So I totally empathize with the challenger that he is. But I, you know, I would say material getting out there, and having a really great user flow for how people might join it, which it whichever way and some sort of thought around, you know, how to have sort of,
you know, whether it's different streams that are going on, etc. I'm sure you are thinking of that. No, it's not so subtle. I will find it and
that anyway, I'll leave it at that. But yeah,
Cool. Thank you, Karen. Awesome. Well, um, I think we only have four minutes left. So why don't we spend that time checking out? Thank you so much for all your thoughtful work responses. And you're right, this is such a Yeah, we've forged a herd as the horses would put it, and we're traveling together. So it's not something that a new herd member can easily come into. It's not easily done, which is why we're kind of energetically not really interested in bringing more people in this face. We'd like to track with the people who are already here. as we as we sort of work, work this transformative process together. Can we do a substack Ah, yeah, yes. That came about I think, because of the censorship, the intensity of censorship. That's right. I'm not really sure. So why don't we do a check out? See how people are feeling Lorraine, I particularly want to hear how you're feeling. Now you're doing. But let's let's do around checkouts.
Yeah, thanks. I feel similarly to as I did at the start, so let's kind of fuzziness and strange. And I feel reminded of the importance of going where the energy is. Which I think we're all asking in different ways. And so I guess the last thing I want to say relevant to this conversation is, I feel so grateful, Jeff and Louisa, that you have taken on this infrastructure building, because it's enormous. It's huge, like, I can barely handle the infrastructure of washing my dishes right now. And I love washing dishes. So that's like a major statement. And you are building something that endeavors to hold those of us who are trying to hold all of that. And so just knowing you even want to do that makes me feel safer, and better.
Good to know, thank you for saying that.
Was it? Who dares check out after that?
And I so agree with what Lorraine just said. And I just sense that a lot of people are going through various similar transitional similar things. So, um, I know, you know, you're not alone, or we aren't alone. I think this is where things are at right now. So I think it calls for a lot of courage, which I appreciate. There's so many other things you could and we could be doing. So I'm so grateful for this. Thank you, Mary. And I have another meeting, so I'll have to go soon.
Okay, all right. Thank you, Mary. Who's next? feel blessed, overwhelmed. So walking in with cosmic overwhelm. I am leaving. Feeling centered and connected. Because the centering is connected to myself, but the connected is connecting to other people. And I would say both are needed in balance. Like you can't have I mean, you know, it doesn't really work to have one without the other. You have to have that. presence of both.
So awesome. Thank you, Betsy. Yeah, I'll check it out. I'm feeling grateful and glad that you guys are here and a little bit overwhelmed. But, you know, we'll see what see what the day brings one step at a time.
Yeah, I'm feeling motivated to take a watch to the last couple of sessions. And yeah, grateful to reconnect with your thanks for joining us today.
Thank you. Thank you, Karen. 10 your last but not least,
sure. I feel grateful to be here. In the rhythm of it, and attentive to the phenomena. It is this complexity right now. I do have a tremendous amount of faith still in the collaboration of humanity, and nature and source. And also a lot of humility in remember remembering to listen for what I don't yet know. But that I'm grateful again, for you all.
Awesome. Thank you so much, everyone. And we're also similarly extremely grateful for you guys and accompanying us on this rather extraordinary adventure that we somehow embarked on. And we're definitely here. Definitely want to do this and definitely much more excited about where we're going. And so this is awesome. And we'll see you all next week. We're still we're still on our weekly rhythm.
So we'll keep going. All right. Thanks, everybody. Thanks, guys. Take care. Just a sec. Yeah. Yeah, you want me to us to stay? Yeah. Okay. All right. Take care.