🌱 Extreme Heat, Polycropping, and Cloning Gearwith Kyle from FOOP

9:39AM Jan 29, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

Kyle

Keywords:

heat resistance

cannabis cloning

veggie growing

pulse watering

root zone

environmental work

reforestation

organic nursery

summer tips

pepper spiciness

citrus indoors

T5 lights

cloning techniques

foliar mist

microbial bloom

Greetings, cultivators from around the world. Jordan River here back with more. Growcast Bringing the wizard beard roots. Today we have Kyle from the foop back on the line. You guys know Kyle. You love Kyle. He has been gardening for ever, his whole life, and he grows millions and millions of plants of all different types. He's here today to talk about heat resistance for our cannabis cloning tips, growing veggies outside at scale. There's so much good information in this episode. I know you're going to love it, but before we jump into it with Kyle, shout out to Rimrock analytical, that's right. Sex test your seedlings never have to worry about sexting your plants again. Rimrock analytical.com, code grow, cast for free shipping. You do not have to wait to veg out and flower out your plants, take cuttings and flip them, nah, nah. That's all bull crap. It's a waste of time. Go to rimrockanalytical.com, and go ahead and order yourself some sex tests. You can sex test your plants when they're little bitty seedlings. Just snip off a cotyledon and mail it into Rimrock. They'll get you results. Lickety split, super fast. Taylor's working over there. He gets you results late on a Sunday. Doesn't matter, and then you'll know which one of your seedlings are male and which one are female. So kick out those males. Never waste your soil or your nutrients or your time again sexing your plants. Go to Rimrock analytical.com use code growcast for free shipping, and use code bulk 10 with 10 orders or more to get 10% off. That's 10 orders or more with bulk 10 and free shipping with code. Growcast, Rimrock analytical, stop wasting your time and effort and newts and soil sex testing. Rimrock analytical, baby. Thank you to Rimrock. Okay, let's get into it with Kyle from the foop. Thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast. Listeners. You are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in today before we get started. As always, I urge you to tell a friend about the show, turn someone on to growing. It's the best thing you can do, and it's what you can do to help promote our mission of overgrow. See everything we're doing at growcast, podcast.com/action, there, you'll see the class schedule and the seeds in the membership. Come and hang out, everybody. I would love to see you inside our little community. Today, we have a friend of the show back on the line. Really great episode planned. Today, we're gonna be talking about preparing for summer, growing veggies inside and outside. We're gonna talk about cloning tips, something I really love to discuss. And today's guest is none other than the great Kyle from foo. What's up? Kyle, how you doing? Man,

good. Man, thanks for having me back. It's great to be here as always. Love talking plants. Hell yeah,

man, your last episode was a huge hit. You came on and talked about watering technique, and you talked about organics in smaller pots. You really killed it on that one, man. And of course, the vegetables. People love the veggie talk. I always say cannabis is a gateway. It's a gateway into growing vegetables, because as soon as you start growing cannabis, you're going to start growing everything else. So thank you for coming back on the show, and I'm excited to dig into today's topics before we get into the questions, though, what have you been up to? Man? What are you growing right now, I know you grow like 1000s and 1000s, millions of plants. What are you growing? What have you been doing since we last spoke?

So recently, I've started working with a native nursery, actually, with trees and shrubs for reforesting jobs and waterways and watershed stuff. They had a bad growing experience, and it was a bunch of people who didn't know what they're doing. So they were really, like, hungry for somebody to show them how to get things growing properly. So I've been working on that. And that's actually, like, right on our river, one of our rivers here, that feed right into the bay. So it was really important to me to start working with them, so that I could keep them clean and organic, really trying to, like, keeping it clean. What does that look like you're

reforesting? Like, what is the, what is the issue, and what is, what is the issue you're solving? You know what I mean? And what are you doing with this

reforestation? Yeah, so what they're doing, they're in a, they're an environmental like, install company. So what they'll do is they'll go about and they'll do a lot of like, say, if you've got a gully or a ditch or a highway or a big construction that happens, they'll go through, or even just in the middle of a forest where a bunch of erosion has, like, collapsed, a river, they'll go through, and they'll recreate that river for the natural swale, for water flow. And then what my thing is, is I'm get they also grow on the trees. So they're growing the trees and shrubs so that it's quick, native, local younglings, basically that we could plant in in large amounts with lower budget, because buying 1000s of trees to plug in, you know, is tough, right? So the company's trying to grow some of their own stock to be able to apply more trees and stuff to the native, and it's 100% Native. Since I've been helping them, it's been a completely organic so, you know, really trying to get their production up and running. Plus, it's just so cool. It's a local nursery. And I'm always, I'm always a fan of new local nurseries and gardens and nurse, you know, growing facilities trying to grow. More plants?

Yeah, hell yeah. Man, that is really, really cool. I love that type of environmental work, you know, outside of the cannabis space, just so cool. I love to hear that. Man, well, today we're talking plant tips. Listen, you know a lot about plants, all types of plants, and we're going to discuss cannabis today. We're going to discuss vegetables today. But really, a lot of people are getting ready for what is the peak of summer? You know, we just had some record breaking heat across the nation today. As we record this, there are heat waves that are slamming all sorts of areas of the United States and beyond. So I would like to get your advice. You know, as we approach the peak of summer, what advice do you have helping out cannabis growers specifically to keep their plants healthy and to keep them from frying under the summer sun.

So, yeah, like, like you said, I mean, I was outside all week. I live outside, so you know, the outside weather is kind of my, my thing. And it was 100 degrees every day this week. I had two heat strokes on my crew. So it's a serious heat wave we're going through. Plus we're getting these crazy thunderstorms. These like malicious thunderstorms, right? So they're coming in randomly in the middle of a Tuesday with a hail storm, and then that two hours later, it's 100 degrees again. So it's been crazy. There's a lot of cool things you can do. Some stuff is a little tougher, and some of its just more labor of love. Like, for instance, what my main goal right now is to, usually during the spring and falls, you wouldn't go out there and kind of what we call pulse water, which is just a nice short burst of cooling water, even if it's just for the soil temp, if it's for the roots, if it's for the plant itself, I'm pretty much giving my entire plant, my whole area, a very nice light, cool watering right before the sun warms up in the morning, ooh, just to kind of cool the area, just to kind of give some moisture, some humidity, even though we have a ton of humidity, Just kind of dropping the temperature of the leaves a little bit gives you a couple hours now. That also comes with its its its risks, right? Like a lot of people are, like, I'm not watering my plant, you know, every day just to cool it down. We're not talking about watering or really, like soaking your foliage, just talking like just cooling down the airing

it off. I had never thought about that, not less so about the hydration aspect, and more about cooling off your plants, just like you cool off under a hose, you know?

Yeah, I know a guy who will run irrigation on not aim it at his plants, and he'll water outside of his greenhouses and cool the area down on like the super hot days. So he'll just aim all his irrigation heads on one of his facilities, and he'll just aim them all off the plants. But then water, like outside, it's a huge waste of water. But to him, the temperature difference and the stress level on his plants are worth it.

That's fascinating. Cooling off with the with a little mist, yeah, just

some sort of misting, just cooling it down some. I mean, it's, it's like, not everybody can do it, and not everybody's going to, but it is one way that a lot of us, like growers of large production, we use pulse watering, where, usually I would tell you, you know, you water once, real nice, real heavy and done. Well, right now, in this kind of weather, I'm doing a morning and an afternoon light watering just so that I can re cool down those pots, re cool down the roots, cool the plants down. Relax these. I mean, on a hot day, who doesn't love a good mist tent? Exactly. That makes sense. Tent and feel a million times better when that cool water hits your skin. Why are plants any different that

evaporative cooling? I love it, and I also love how you're keeping the root zone in mind. I feel that people, oftentimes, especially when they're in, you know, containers or raised beds that might be exposed to the sun. I feel like a lot of the time they're thinking about, Oh, this plant is so hot. They're thinking about the foliage, but you also got to think about the container that it's in, being baked. So, you know, shading that container, or something like that, probably, I like that. You're thinking about the roots too. Yeah, and that's

something like shading containers are a big deal if you're growing a few little plants like, shade your containers like there's nothing stopping you, you know, build like a put a piece of cardboard up on the side. The sun aims right from the whole time. So what I teach all my guys and girls that I work with that work for me, I kind of show them that because, like, on a tray of plants, or on plants that are in a block, the outside ones will always dry up faster because of the sun hitting the pond. So you always have to make sure whatever side of your pot is hitting the sun directly that is actually going to dry up faster. So if you ever pull a plant out and you're like, Wow, this one side of my pot is super rooted and the other side isn't well, it's probably the side that was aiming the sunlight because it was watering and drying and watering and warming. That's in the spring. Sometimes in the summer, that's the opposite effect. Sometimes, depending on the crop, the cooler side will have better roots. That is a really good point, because some plants like cooler roots. So if I needed a plant that like cool season, it wants cooler roots, you have to cool the roots down. So, you know, in temperature growing. When you're growing like twinsettas and stuff in the middle of summer, it's all about keeping them cooler, but not too cold, because you can't let them color change. So again, it's like every plant is different, but for cannabis, it's the keep the root zone nice and cool. I mean, you're not making it cold. Don't do ice cubes, right? I never like that ice cube thing. It's very shocking. Again, would you rather me walk you through a nice missed tent with some water, or would you rather me drop you in a bucket of ice, ice bath? Right? So there's a difference. Again, that is funny. Man. It all correlates. Dude.

That is a really good point, and I had not thought of that. Okay, bit of a left turn. But I do want to ask you this question on, you know, the scale of heat resistance. You've grown all different types of plants, you know, from ornamentals to vegetables and fruits. Where does cannabis kind of fall on that spectrum? I know this is kind of a vague question, but where would you rank cannabis as, like normal heat resistance, hardy to heat resistance or sensitive to that sort of thing. To me, cannabis is, like a hardy plant. I don't want to put words in your mouth. Where do you rank cannabis on the scale of, like, dealing with heat?

It's definitely on the hardier side. I mean, I have stuff that, if you blink, it dies on you, yeah. So like, you know, hydrangea cuttings, when I used to grow hydrangeas and just all sorts of like, you know, basils, like unrooted cuttings. You're missing those, like, every 10 seconds, obviously. So there's a lot of difference. But when you're talking full grown plants, I'd say it's on the heart of your side for sure. A six, a seven. I'd say a seven, solid seven. What I really like about cannabis is it gives you really solid flag times. So a cannabis plant will start to flag, which is its leaves. You know, you always want to see leaves either flat or upwards. You know, down is starting to tell you that it's either hot or tired or dry. Sometimes it's just at night. Plants, true mimosas, for instance, they actually all, mostly all, close their leaves at night. You know why it seems like a bunch of effort, but like, they're just tired, and that's how they sleep, right? So with cannabis, it's nice because you get a really good flagging stage, which is a flag stage that gives you a lot of leeway. Sometimes a flag stage, for me and other crops, is like, you see it flagging, you already should have watered it. But with cannabis, if you walk in your plants are a little low and you're in a rush and you gotta go do something for an hour, you're actually probably okay for that hour, right? You know, you're probably okay for two or three, you know, some people, I've seen things flag for a day on cooler weather, you know, and not like, just do a complete wilt. So that's kind of one of the things I actually really like and appreciate at a cannabis is that it gives you really good stages to, like, identify what's happening

you're so right, those visual cues are really on point. And when you're saying flagging, I want to, I want to dig into this. For those of us, like me, who aren't, like, super familiar, this is what you're talking about. Is like, you know, when leaves are genuinely praying. But then they really tend to perk up right when they want water, right right before they enter the underwatering. Thirsty droop right before that, they get real perky and they pray real hard, kind of asking for water. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah,

it's kind of like, well, they kind of drop, like, it's not a wilt, like we say wilting, right? You're thinking leaves, like, if you like, hang your head and your arms down to your sides, right? Now, that's a will, right? Like, everything's facing down, but a flagging is just kind of like, you've had a rough day. You're not looking up your shoulders. It's

like a half wilt. So it's right after the stage that I just described, they're in that optimal zone, and then they start to kind of fall down, and they're not dripping yet, but that's when you know they're ready for water. And one

of the cool things, and this is not for everybody, because everybody's eyeballs are different. When you get really good at seeing the plant coloring, whatever you're growing, plants will give you a silvery gray hue before they will, whoa. So it is a very strange thing, yeah, but Matt, like real, like growers. I don't like to use the word master growers, but you're talking like, I'm talking real agricultural, like third generation farmers, like people like myself, who like, see that horticulture, we have to look three acres away and see, you know that those little, like, four inch pots are great, right? So, so, yeah, you know, with our binoculars from a, like, a, like, you know, from a post we climbed up. So, like, I mean literally, like, it's, it's a lot of detail, but like, for those who get the ability to see it, I, I bless myself with that ability, because it is so nice to be able to see that silvery gray and I can go outside and look at a farm and be like, All right, that all has to be watered within the next three hours. That's wild. I mean, everybody I offer, you know, and I'm like, I just know, like, go check the pots and they'll go over. Like, oh yeah, they're pretty dry. And it's like, you just know, because. You start seeing that green hue change to a silvery gray. I'm keeping an eye out for this. It's hard to see or explain, but like, now that everybody hears it, go, try to find it. You know what I mean? Like, even the tree lines, like, I can tell when the area our actual like Earth needs water, because the tree lines will start silvering over and they'll flag. We've had really bad tree line problems lately, between the smoke that we're getting from up north, right? And the heat, the thunderstorms, like we're getting massive storms, real short bursts, not a lot of soaking. So I'm having weird problems, like my fig. I've lost half my fig for the first time ever. And I don't know why it's I've treated it, I've done all sorts of stuff, but I think between the smoke quality, the air quality, and he's raised like raging storms, I think the weather is just out out of his mind right now, so it's tough. But that's wondering gray will kind of show and my tree lines show that, right? Let's

talk about other plants and dealing with this, this crazy weather. I know it's all zone dependent. I talk to you veggie guys, and it's like, oh, well, zone, you know, depends what zone you're in. But if we're looking to grow other plants, let's say that we're looking to grow them in this heat. What are some vegetables, some herbs, or really, just anything that grows well, that we can kind of enjoy this summer without seeing it die and roast?

Yeah. So you got a lot of stuff, like, sadly, you know, everybody's different, but what you we all have is the same temperature numbers, right? So I don't care what month it hits when you get to 80 degrees, sure, right? Like, you're done lettuces, you know, you hold 85 plus, you know, unless you're really good at keeping them cool and then the shade and, like, you're really leafy greens, right? Like leafy greens, there's now, there are some out there that go a little bit better, but you could pretty much assume, like, once you're above 85 ish, things are going to start bolting flowering. I have one head of lettuce I didn't pull, and it's a big stock of flower now, so, you know, and my beets, I pulled some of my beets. Some of my beets weren't big enough, and now they're just little flowers in a pot. So a lot of that happens because, you know, opposite of cannabis. I talked about it last time with tomatoes. A lot of stuff takes once it gets hot and longer days, it just is what it is. Yeah, but peppers phenomenal plants to grow and heat, mainly because, if you're a spicy pepper fan, it's actually better the hotter you grow them, so that they stress more, so that they're spicier. If you like sweet peppers, then you would actually want to keep them super wet without rotting, of course, which is a thing from peppers as wet as you can, with a little bit cooler, maybe some afternoon shade, and they'll be much sweeter.

Oh, man, that's crazy. I did. I didn't know that hotter temperatures lead to increased spice levels. It

leads more towards stress. Like, heat is a good way to stress a plant. So

just like cannabis, little bit of stress makes it produce the compounds that excite us more, right? And

so like my buddies, that's a good that's a good leeway into, like, why I'm a dry grower, as they call it. Like, I was at an event the other day, and I was talking to some guys who run this massive annual production facility, and we're all laughing about it. He's like, Yeah, I don't know how you dry growers exist. He's like, I would stress out every day. And I was like, well, that's how I exist, by stressing out every day, because I know every day my plants are on the brink, but my plants are also growing, you know, they're, they're they're getting stronger, they're doing better. And as long as I don't fail them on that brink, they're fine. But what happens is, my plants are more resilient when they go home to people, you know, so people tend to have a better result, because my plants have been put through some, you know, hellish times, that's interesting. And so that actually will build a resistance. It's just like, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Yes, it's the same thing for plants and like so, peppers actually make itself spicier because that waxy, that oil is filling up to protect themselves. So they basically built, you know, barriers, and then you get to enjoy those

barriers. That's cool, man. So peppers, peppers are great in the heat. Peppers are great.

Tomatoes. Any, honestly, any big, heavy vegetable, a lot of them, like, if you're getting heavy summer heats, the biggest thing is, like, just keeping them fed and watered, because the heats, they're going to go through more water. Because they're going through more water, you're going to be leaching more fertilizer or foods or organics, or whatever you're doing. So sometimes in summers, that's where a lot of living soil, people start to see some struggle, not all of them, but some of them I've seen, because they don't add anything to their bed. And maybe this season's more brutal than usual. So sometimes they'll hit these flat spots in their summer where they're like, man, you know, it just wasn't a great year of production, right? Well, that could be one of those correlations, is that it just was so hot and you kept status quo, right? So, so you gotta increase

the nutritional delivery, is what you're saying. Well, well, yeah,

because you're watering more, yeah. So if you're watering more, you have to increase your nutrition input. Otherwise, you're just going to wash all your nutrition out. And what? Usually had watered once a week, and it was fine, and plenty of fruit, because my soil is great. Well, now you're watering two or three times for a couple months because it's 110 degrees. I mean, it's literally 100 degrees every day right now for us,

apparently. Man, that's where that, that food, liquid, organics, comes in handy. Holy shit. I mean, yeah, it's so nice to dump that in as your as your excess minerals, you don't have to, you know, rely on microbes for your top dressing or whatever. Yep, yeah, I don't want to just blow smoke, but your product really, really works. Well. I know you guys are pushing hard for lawn and garden. Good for you. It's fucking brilliant. You know, the fact that it's all organic, I just go out there, go out there with my daughter. I pour it on my tomatoes, pour it on my peppers, my herbs. Go crazy for the veg mix. Yeah, I don't know. Oh, you guys did a great job on the veggie side with those. They're just rips in my garden. Yeah,

man. I mean, look, I'm not, I don't even just, like, say I use it. Don't use it. Like, I don't have any other things in my house anymore. I've emptied all my containers and, like, I've gotten rid of everything. I've given all my old stuff away, like, my pepper and my I have my citrus. I have a couple big bonsais. I have my my peppers, my lettuces, my tomatoes, like, literally everything. I do not discriminate who gets soup garden anymore. Like, I'm actually growing melons right now, and it's way late season, so I'm actually gonna put them in my grow room this year and grow them along the wall, like they're gonna get they're gonna get garden.

Whoa, dude, I'm really interested in that. I know you, you have plants everywhere in your house, so maybe you're the wrong person to ask about this. My question is, like, I've seen creative ways to get more plants in first of all, in our cannabis grow tent, that's like, ideal, but just in our space in general, shout out to CEO grow. He makes these tent pole clips so Eclipse onto your tent pole like a fan would, but it's just a little holder, and it's the perfect size for a solo cup. So I threw some chives and some basil in some soil in some solo cups, and they go in your tent and take up no extra space. It's fucking crazy. Oh, is it like a little ring? It's a little ring that you can slip. I think he even has one for a half gallon pot, so you can grow extra if

he hears this, yeah, he should make a couple for like, some, like, six inch pots. And I would, like, I would totally get them. We'll

send you some. I'll send you some pots,

or four inch pots. That would be better, because Solo cups, you know, they're Solo cups. But like, if you put like, a six inch annual pot or something in there, you could literally grow, like, so much stuff, like heads of lettuce, all up and down your bowl.

We'll get those printed up immediately. We have some circular ones for some, I think, half gallons. But CEO, grow.com, code grow, cast, if anybody's interested in those. I loved the the Solo cups were great for chives. I grew this huge chive plant, but you're right. I'd like to get some bigger ones. That's a good call, even

with positive drainage. You know what I mean? Like that just helps a lot. And then all you gotta do is make sure a tray to drip on, or, like, just when you water you take them off, you water it all, and you put it back in the rings. Like, that's super cool.

Totally, yeah, I punch holes in the bottom of my solar cup, yeah, yeah. But I

love my black plastic. I use nursery pots. I'm also a guy who is, like, an infinite supply of pots. So,

yeah, you bet I can only imagine how many of those things you go through. I have a gotta be a nightmare. You probably have nightmares about pots

and plastic. We try to reuse as much as we can. So,

yeah, right until they snap, you reuse them over and over. That's the one thing about plastic. I like a lot. It's true. That's very true. Yeah. I mean, like,

that's one of those things where, like, you know, a lot of cool veggies, a lot of stuff like that. You can't do lettuces. But again, like, also, don't be afraid if it's like a brutal day to don't be that afraid to be that crazy person that goes out, like, throws an umbrella over their plants, you know, like, it's a really brutal day, you know, if you can put a little straight, like a pullable shade cart, you know, a little bit of a mesh I like to do, like a 20, 30% shade tarp on stuff that likes full sun, but you're trying to keep them cool in the brutal part of the day, maybe because you don't have time to go water. And you're struggling because you go to work like I had a couple years, if you put things in the wrong pots, you're leaving at work in the morning, you're watering. By the time you get home, it's already been wilting for two hours, even though you can't get there any faster, right? So that's the case for you. You know, a little bit of shade tarping goes a long way.

On that note, I do want to get back to indoor plants and packing them in, but this is a good a good question I'd like to ask you, what about when you know you're going to be gone for a little too long? Do you have any devices or techniques that will water your garden while you're away. Do you mess with those oils or blue mats or anything like that that'll slowly water your garden?

There's a couple ways to do it. Personally, classic, classic thing, I've always used good old soil, moist their polymer powder that when you water it, it fills up to a gel, and then it slow releases. So this is an old school thing that, like every person that had plants, use soil moist I used to literally have soil moist fights at the nursery I grew up at you would fill it. You would fill a big thing of why? Powder soil moist, and then you'd fill it with water. Well, then the water would look completely clear, but when you would reach in, it was actually just chunks of jelly. So you would like, be able to, like, reach into what looked like a clean bucket of water, and it was jelly. Just throw it at people. Throw it at people's heads. Yeah, yeah. It just, like, hit them. It's like, four beads. You know, there's like, Orbeez, and everybody's talking about it's like that, except without, like a skin to it. So what this does is, when it dries back out, it just turns into a powder again. So this stuff is amazing. And I warn everybody that might go and be like, Oh, this is cool. Use little. Use very little. You will put some in your pot, and you will be like, Nah, I'm just gonna pour some in there, and you will water your pot, and you will come back after your shower, and there will be gel all over your living room, because it will grow and grow. So like fair warning, use it properly, but it's non toxic, it's super clean, it's safe. Some people will get a little picky, which is fine, but honestly, I've used it for years.

That's wild. I've never seen this product. I'm looking at it now, soil, moist,

like, with everywhere, and then it, like, just faded away. And I was, like, I actually thought at one point maybe it, like, got taken off the industry. But, like, it did, yeah. So they actually, really upped it. They have other versions now where they have, like, they've added some, uh, some bacterias and some, like, lico and stuff, little goodies,

yeah, wow, wow. Man, that's a cool product. I've never heard of that.

Oil, moist, man. They have stuff for seeds. They have stuff that has some plant thrive in it, some like bee. They got a little bit that has some they know, uh, all, they have all sorts of stuff. They have some fertilizers and all. I've never used any of that. But the ones that I use is the just a straight up soil, moist you get on everything. Man, like any garden center has it little packets. That's wild,

cool. Man, I'm gonna look into them. That's really, there's

a secret plant, guy, tip that, like, the cannabis world just doesn't ever listen. I know, right, you've got a lot of those. It's like a $3 thing that everyone and everyone's grandmother is always every weed growers. Grandmother used soil, and I didn't tell you, but we all had grandmothers.

I would like to do some sort of recurring segment with you. We'll talk about this like it would be cool to drop them in after the show, or, you know, during the post roll, and have just little tips, little tips and product recommendations. You know, I like that shit a

lot. It's amazing. What like cannabis grow is just it does don't utilize,

oh, yeah, of course, dude, we're introduced by, yeah, we're introduced by a totally different crowd. You know, it's wild. And we were and we were told to avoid Home Depot, because for so long, we were trying to use their soils, right, and not tell them what we were growing. And the Miracle Grow makes our plant come out like shit. And then, you know what I mean? And then we're like, ah, that's not where we get our advice. But you don't want to throw the baby out with the baby out with the bathwater, because there's a lot of good shit there. It's a really good point. And I

know now, I know everybody listen to this or soil pros here, so I'm going to say this once for the one person that may hear it, don't buy moisture control soils, period. I don't care if you end up at Home Depot and you end up with Miracle Grow potting mix, like, it's terrible, sure. However, do not buy anything that says moisture control or moisture retention, right? Like now we use, there's some marketing terms that a lot of cannabis soils do use moisture retention. I'm a little bit more okay with that, but the box bags of stuff that are just random soils at your random garden centers, or what have you that say, moisture control. And they're like, usually blue because it's water. Do not buy this. Why they will rot your plants. You will not understand, because you will not understand how much less you have to water. But at the same time, if you accidentally over water once, and there's no roots in that plant, that water, that soil, is just going to sit forever wet, and you'll immediately see your perlite turn green, yeah. And as soon as you see your perlite turn green, you know you're over watering,

that's the algae starting to form. Okay? So other plants might be able to deal with that super moist soil. But for cannabis, we really want that. There's a reason why. When we go pick out cannabis specific ones, there's a bunch of aeration in it.

Even for other plants, the only time I would tell you to use a moisture control soil if you were making like, a hanging basket for Petunias, wow. Because you can't literally water, you have to water. Get up there to water, yeah, like every other second, right? So, like, there's 1% chance that I would tell you, but even for, like, hydrangeas and stuff, I don't think the the length of days that those soils can hold water are dangerous, even for things that love water. We all know that no matter how much a plant loves water, it wants some air once in a while, yeah, so it has to dry out. But those soils are notorious for like, water at once. It'll just stay wet for like, 20 days to know, man, super good to know those so moisture control, stuff, careful.

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Or, like, just in general, plants? Yeah, I

mean cannabis too, but however, we can grow more plants. Like I said, your house is like a jungle. You just put them everywhere. But, like, any cool tips or tricks come

in, yeah? So, you know, not everybody's blessed with lights for Windows. You know, everybody's there's different window scenarios. I specifically bought a house that had the right windows facing the right sides. So that was one of my criteria. Is what I bought my home is that they had to be facing

windows on the eastern and western sides. Is that what you're looking for in western sides? Yeah.

So that was one of those things where, like, it's a little details like that. But what I've just actually done recently was I went ahead and got some of those, like, LED strips that are, like, congruent, like you can connect 20 of them, yeah, because right now I have, like, one of my string of hearts. I have it hanging, and I'm actually running it up of my hallway stairs, just because I'm bored. And I do it and I but I always tell people, I hate when people do that, because, like, all I can think is how easily aphids and spider mites will ruin your whole home. But, you know, I'm pretty clean about things, so I said, Finally, I'll just do it.

You said, there's no plants in this staircase. I might as well get some green going here.

Yeah, like, I can't. There's no place for pots on the ground, so, but one of my favorite things, honestly, to do is my citrus. I love having my citrus in the house, and all they take is a four ball, t5 light. Oh, wow, they're not taking, you know, crazy amount of stuff. I didn't know that, yeah, like so the limes and all. They love the heat. But I have been successful in finishing my limes and all tend to, like, want to fruit really late in the season because it's just long enough for them. We don't really have to length the summer for true citrus production here. So we kind of get cut short. So like, right when it starts cooling down, my lemons and limes and all are just exploding, well, I need them to mature, so I will bring them in. And I found that if I put them under my T fives, I used to take them up and, like, put them under my like, CMHS, and, you know, really try to keep them, but it was a huge pain. I hated taking plants from outside into the grow rooms, right? So I was, like, miserable thought for me. So I was like, You know what? I'm just gonna put them under a t5 and it works. I feed the crap out of them. They have to be fed heavily, and you back on your watering some because your house is only going to be about 75 ish. Most people keep their house about 7580 degrees, and that's a you know, and you just let it roll. But I love having my citrus plants come in. It's

like, God damn, that's crazy. It's

the pain. They're massive, you know, I've got them in big, 15 gallon pots. You know, the lime has been in a 15 gallon pot for probably five years, six, seven years now, are they

fruiting on you? Do you get good yields off those? My lime

is two feet, I'd say about two and a half, three feet wide, about two feet tall, and I get about 40 to 50 limes

on that. Jeez, that's cool, man. So you don't pay for limes anymore, not

after I crop them. Yeah, I get, I get a good chunk of lives. The problem is they don't store forever, so then I gotta, like, really eat them. But like, I'll eat limes, like oranges. So like citrus, to me is, like, you know, you gotta keep that scurvy away. Yeah,

dude, I eat lime straight too. I'll just fucking eat a lime. That's good stuff, right there. So

lime, citrus. I found really work well inside or yeah, I gotta keep away from that. I always say pirates were afraid of it. I should be afraid of it, true, so. But otherwise, you know, everybody loves herbs. Herbs are great for indoors. All you need is a t5 some of these LED strips are fine. A lot of them work great. Um, don't buy the purple lights. Please stop buying the purple lights. For the love of God, the purple lights hurt your brain, and they don't work on plants. So buy normal white LED like t5 full spectrum. The LED bulbs last you a lifetime. It'll cost you 100 bucks for, you know, a couple 100 bucks for a four foot one. And you would be amazed how much stuff you've got are four foot long t5 I

got, I'm looking at one. I'm looking at some old because, you know, they, they price them up too for cannabis, you know, the sun blazer or whatever. But I've got a, I've got a little two bar t5 type thing or whatever. I'm gonna bust that out and see what I can't grow under it out in the open.

My favorite size one they have is the four bulb four footers. I don't know why. I just like the footprint. Yeah, it's, like, always the right size for what I'm doing. You can get the square ones. I don't like the two footballs. I like the four foot bulbs. Yeah, there's an eight bulb four footer for people who have a lot of space. But what's really cool about it, it power. It takes, like, zero power. Yeah, it's in my kitchen. It doesn't add temperature to the room. It's literally a great light. A lot of times I won't even use the lights in my kitchen. So in the middle of the night, like, eight o'clock ish or so, when I'm like, in there cooking, it'll just turn off and the kitchen will go black on. I'm like, damn it. So you know, it's like, I use it as house light too? Exactly? Yeah, it's a house it's a kitchen light. I mean, it ends up being everything, and it made a huge difference. I can grow herbs right now. I've been having my starting, my melons growing up under it, my seedlings, that's where I do all my cuts and seedlings for cannabis under the t5 double

up your cutting space with a couple of herbs. That's a great idea, especially when you pop them indoor from seed, and you're not going inside outside. There's no reason that you can't poly crop your cutting space. I'm looking at mine right now. That's a good point, dude. I should have some herbs over there.

Yeah, dude. There's no reason. I mean, if you've got space there, like, as long like you said, like, don't go in and out. Like, don't ever take your plants outside and then bring them back in and inside and outside. Like, if you're growing for edible food, cannabis production, whatever. Like, keep your plants inside if you can, if you're growing them and you want to eat them regularly through the year, you know, like lettuces. The reason I didn't pick that last lettuce, it was just covered in aphids. And I was just kind of like, Nah, I don't really feel like cleaning it, so I left it right. So I was like, I did the others. But it was later in the season when aphids began. That's the cool thing about lettuces. They're usually around free before aphids, right? But like, if you're really missing your lettuces because it's too hot outside, there's no reason you can't grow lettuce in a pot under a tea five while you're gonna do that, while you're growing your cannabis cuttings.

I'm there, dude, I am all in on that. Okay, you mentioned cannabis cuttings. Let's talk cloning, and then we'll wrap this. Show up. Man, cloning has been on my mind. Let me tell you, Kyle, I've been deep in the Clone world, and big right now, dude. I mean, you can just so you can just snip and go and plug them in, and you'll probably get, like, 50% success rate. But getting those numbers up to get 9095 100% success rate, people love that shit, and it really gets you off to a good start when you can have a healthy cutting that has a wizard beard of roots, that's not deficient, and you start from there, as opposed to one that's sad and limp and all stressed out. Man, it's like it really does save you a bunch of time, and time is money. So I want to get your tips and tricks on quick, healthy, vibrant clones, and get them to the people who are listening.

Yeah. So the thing about cloning and all is you got to remember how delicate they are. It's like, if you got a puppy, like a brand new, fresh puppy, like nine weeks old, like, you know, you're going to take some days off work, right? You're not going to just go okay, indicate you go, see you in nine hours. You know, like, with a five year old dog or a 10 year old dog or whatever. So we gotta remember, like, when you're doing cuttings or micro greens kind of fall into this category as well. You gotta know, like, if you're doing it, you gotta pay attention. You can't come home from work and walk past them to go get in the shower because you're tired, and like, come home, or, like, after work, decide you're going to go out and get dinner, knowing that, like, You got to be home to water. So there's, that's what I tell people. It's like, if you're doing it, it's a it's a lifestyle and a part of your day. And it's just like, you can't just say, ah, the kid will feed itself. You know, it's a baby. You can't it's not going to

feed itself. You need the time and attention to make sure that they make it through this delicate basically,

that's one of the biggest faults, and that's what it's not every you know, not for everybody. That's why people buy clones rooted, right? Like I had good old buddy, Farmer John, who I've now become best friends with. You know, he's been working tough and he sent me some beautiful stuff. So for me. Play with. And if anybody knows him, they should start and totally reach out. I don't know if you know all his socials. And off the top

of your head, yeah, hell yeah. Farmer John 14, P, H, A, R, M, E, R, John 13, if you're a member, you know this guy, let's get him on the main show. Everybody, let's pressure him. He's a little shy, but we'll get him on the main show. He's

a shy one, but he loved doing that talk at the community cup. Killed it. So did you did a great job. I'd be working on his social competence with him trying to get a book. It's, um, I mean, it's one of those things where, like, you know, that's why that exists, because it's hard. So if you're gonna do cloning on your own, I 1,000% suggest you get the tray with a dome that has little vents on it, and a little t5 two foot bulb or something, unless you have a hanging unit, what you can do? A lot of these little you can do. I don't know. Everybody sells them nowadays. Even AC Infinity has one. I'm looking at their dome prop set up. It's $35 there's way cheaper ones out there. You go to a you go to a Home Depot, you go to a garden center, you'll get one for like, $18 and it's the exact same thing. Maybe it doesn't have the side these have these cool side vents, which actually I kind of like, but what's that? The one thing I do notice out and looking at it, they have a nice a height extender here, in case you're going to go from cuts and you're going to let them get a

little bigger. Yeah, totally. Some of those squished domes are whack. They're fun. They're super small. The half domes are whack as shit. Anybody know what I'm talking about? Terrible.

They, they they're way too close to the door, way too close to the leaves, for my liking. So, but the biggest thing is is, you know, people use these domes, so I would suggest the domes. Google it. If you don't know we're talking about, look at the picture. You're gonna do. One of the tricks I always do with those is, don't water the plants. Spray the water on the inside of the dome. Yeah, that's a big trick, for sure. I always suggest to people you can also, you know, you're not trying to when you take a cutting and you dip it in a solution, and you're doing, like, I do riot plugs. I love rapid rooter.

Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. Do you? Yeah? Do you have like, a huge recommendation on the plug, or the medium, or basically anything works, rapid

rooters and all I love them. I love those plugs. It's super easy. It's clean. What's really nice is, when you do end up putting them into your soil, media. They don't really impede sometimes. People like, you know, people used to use rock wool and stuff, and they still do. They use all that stuff. I never really liked that transition, but the riot cubes, that sponge is really soil like, and it's moisture retention, yeah, so it works. It's a good, smooth transition. I've never really had any problems.

Yeah, I agree. And the root riot and the rapid rooters are very, very similar. Those kind of broken Pepsi, yeah, yeah. Those, those plugs, I like mammoths cloning tray, because it's deeper. It's like, way deeper. But those are compressed peat, and when you go to pull them out, they're not very solid. They kind of fall apart. So when you put them into your pot, it's nice because they kind of integrate. But when you're kind of handling them, handling them, they're not as good as those, those the riot plugs and stuff like that. I agree. Rockwool not my favorite, but I do like Oasis cubes. Do you know what Oasis cubes are?

Look at you. That's a plant nerd thing. Hell yeah, dude. I've been making floral arrangements for 85 year old ladies my whole life. Of course. I know it always, Oh,

of course, yeah, I know. Why do I even ask? That's what we had back in the day, though, like Humboldt County, 2010,

that's well, because that's what they would go into the flower shops. That's what all the old, like OG black market dudes would be like, dude, they'll get it cool, eat somewhere and buy some Oasis cubes from some, like, old nursery, you know, Guy tatted up to his neck. I

don't know what those are made out of, but those were nice. You could break those off, and they would kind of like, disintegrate in your medium downside of those are, they were all in one brick, so sometimes your roots would get tangled a little

bit, yeah, and the Oasis is an interesting material. It's very, like, mushy. It like you press it, it just disintegrates into powder. Is definitely an old school thing. I definitely for the OGS out there. They probably have done it as well. I like those. Yeah, those are old school. Man, they are floral. But, yeah, they make them in all sorts of things. Now they come in all sizes. It's way evolved. Now it's not just that one big block in here.

Shout out, Oasis. Man, been a minute those, those will all work. But just find, I think, would spot what's like, find what's easy for you, you know, it's

around the same time. Like, if you're that person who loves soil, like, I'm not, I planted plenty of seeds in a in a seedling mix as well, like, a heavy, like, very heavy perlite, sorry, um, mix. So I took some normal pro mix, like, drained it in perlite, threw a little bit of stuff in there and made it a seedling mix for some other stuff, like, I use, I don't only use the plugs. It's just when I'm like, sticking 50 things, and I got 10 minutes on my day, I'm just gonna stick with the plugs, and I'll be super, super consistent, too. But I never try to do both. It's one or the other. Don't confuse yourself. Don't worry about having some stuff in soil and some stuff either. You doing one or the other. So true consistency, and consistency keeps nice production. I tell people all the time, keep everything the same. The best you can. Keep everything the same, pot size, same soil, mixes, whatever it takes, and that will up your production consistency.

So while we're on the subject of products, I like everything you mentioned. Man, I just posted a video with that. Again, food clone gel was just out of this world. The mist is also good. The

only thing about food mist and any foliar it's like, Don't drench your cuttings. They're very they're very light. You know, if I ask you for a drink of water, it doesn't mean, you know, throw a rag on my face and waterboard me. That means give me a drink of water. So, you know, you want to, you want to give them a nice light mist, very far away, a fine mist. You still want to water the inside of the tray dome, but a fine mist on some cuttings about, you know, not the day one of cutting, but like day four or five. It's a really good moment to give him a little bit of love.

I fucking love it. And that's you gotta think, right? I'm not just saying because it's foop, like that is my favorite foliar but you gotta imagine, this cutting isn't established with its root system yet, so it's not able to uptake those nutrients, right? But it can still absorb some through the stomata, through the plant foliage. So to deliver the nutrition with a foliar spray, if you see that they're struggling, will really help it push more roots and get established quicker.

It's why we don't feed infants cheeseburgers. Yes, their body, technically can do it. Eventually. It's just not now,

yeah, I mean, you can apply all sorts of different products, but I like the mist because it's got a full spectrum of nutrients. It has Mac micros, macros. And the

key is that the light a light mist, you know, don't go soaking stuff, you know. Again, you just give them a sip of water. Just give them a little sip of food. They only need a little milk.

That's absolutely true. What is that white bloom that comes out of my food clone gel? I was trying to discern what it is. I get it every time. It's fucking beautiful. The ones where the bloom starts are always praying the hardest, and I suspect it's some sort of fungal bloom, right? Because another thing that I noticed is, if I have a you'll like this. If I have a popsicle stick sitting in there as my plant tag, the white bloom will gather around that popsicle stick as what I assume is the fungi starts to feed on the wood, the carbon from the wood. So, dude, I see it every time, and it's fucking beautiful.

That's that Michael, that quickly. Good. Mico, wow. Yeah, that's

amazing. I was wondering if it was like a bacterial bloom or what it was, but it's fucking gorgeous. So

a lot of people, it's funny. I actually just got a bunch of, like, leaf grow and soil. So the company that I'm helping out, they're very their workers are very used to they were actually growing in 100% pine bark. So I was like, Hey, we're gonna add some nutrition. We're gonna add some stuff. So I sprayed in some micro onto the soil. Well, a couple days later, the guys call me. They're all panicked. They're saying, hey, like all our soil has mold. And I'm like, what are you seeing? I just built that bowl. They're like, well, that's not good. I'm like, No, that's really good. That's what we want. So I actually love when I see that micro white across that means you've got such a healthy like, just a fun guy, you know, lifestyle going on, dude,

it is always the plant that is praying the hardest. Roots have already developed. It's ripping. And a lot of the time it's the one in the back that has the discerning marker, like I said, that little bit of wood in bit of wood in there seems to get, like, concentrated. So cool,

yeah? Well, and a lot of people will be like, like, some people might say, Oh, well, I don't see that in mind when I use food or when you use organics, because this isn't just a food thing. This is Michael, you know, this is just, yeah, yeah. Like, everybody can do it. Every product has it all, not every but a lot of them out there. But what I tell people is like, Yeah, but if you keep your soil a little cooler, keep your canopy a little thicker, keep a little bit of rice Hall, yeah, a little bit of something, yeah, you'll see way more. If you keep your plants a little wetter. I'm a dry grower. I don't get it on the surface of my plants, right? But when you pull the plant out of the pot, it's all over the sides of

walls. I do think it has to do with that moisture level, obviously, yeah, and

I tend to keep the top of my soil dry because that keeps away fungus snacks. So right, right to keep that top, which doesn't mean I have a lot of root production in my top half inch, but I don't really care

about that. There's a variety of spores in that product, though. Man, I see bugs getting consumed by that fungus. Like, that's, it's super, super cool. And I agree, it doesn't happen to every one of my cubes. It'll happen to some. And, like I said, maybe it's a coincidence, but I wouldn't think so a lot of the time, the ones with the popsicle sticks. So try that popsicle stick marker. If you're, like, an organic guy, early on, it's actually probably feeding off the wood. That's what I'm thinking, right? Because that's, yeah, that's how you feed with the lignin, and it breaks down into carbon. That's what fungi are feeding off of. So I think that might help. Like, a toothpick would work too. Just when you say that I've got a toothpick sticking out of one right now, like, I wonder

if you, like, actually stuck a few toothpicks in and he would see a different more quality.

Yeah, dude, fucking right. I'm gonna test this.

This is why I have three different soils and four different things. I. Do every time at grow, because I get this idea, and I'm like, oh, let's try that. So unlike everything I just said, where I'm like, don't do anything separate. Do it all the same. I do the exact opposite. I do 95

once you have a couple of runs under your belt and you have a little bit of medicine stored up, right? That's when you can really start. It's time to play dude. It's time to start experimenting with different growth styles, or crossing your own strains, or taking it to the next level.

I tell people all the time, like, start it off easy, like, just grow plant. Like, be really successful growing the same strain, like, three or four times. Like, it takes to grow the same way, in the same soil, in the same size pots, the same lights for like, a year or two, like, two years. I know that sucks, and everybody gets excited. But if you really want to get good at growing, do that first and then, no matter what you change, you will be able to succeed totally like you add a new soil. Well, you know what your other soil took for watering? Well, when you switch soils, you need to be prepared, because you're going to be watering different. You know if you switch fertilizer lines. If you switch some sort of like schedule or light, right? You went from HPSs, and you finally jumped to LEDs, which I have not yet,

you'll be able to understand the differences, because you had the experience and the nuances,

the differences you're expecting, and that's where the expertise comes in. You don't just do, oh, well, let's see what happens. When I say, let's see what happens. I've already racked my brain expecting this A, B and C may be different. I may have to add D. I may not know about C. I mean, E, yet, you know, like E may be the cat crazy idea that I didn't know was going to happen, right? And so that's where you start having a couple variables. But the reality is, is you should know what you're expecting to see before you start your experiment. Why are you experimenting? What is it you think you're getting out of adding or taking this away? If you don't know that, then you shouldn't be switching. I can't tell you how many people buy different soils every grow because their friend told them it's a good soil. Well, I read on this podcast, I heard from Jordan, my buddy says my Tim, Tim and Shannon grow greatly, and they use this well that can and know how to use that soil. You don't fucking you try to use that soil and it kills your plans. You're like, Fuck Tim and Shannon, you know. And I've heard that, and I've had people call me, be like, Yo all your you know. Like, they'll be like, they'll be like, your recommendation for soil, I just can't use it. I'm like, why? I explained to you you have to not water like you were watering. Well, that just doesn't work for me. Well, that's why we don't switch soils. So when people go, what's the best soil, what's the best fertilizer, what's the best pot, I tell them every time, how do you grow? What's the best scenario for you? Yep, and that's the best way to grow.

That's fucking I'd love it. Kyle, that's a mic drop moment. That's what we talk about here on the show. Man, like our mission is overgrow. That is grow cast and the order of cultivations. Number One mission, which is, if everybody who wanted to grow did grow, we would have enough medicine and clean organic food for everyone, that is the idea behind it. Now we do a lot of regenerative and we push a lot of organic stuff. And I have my personal feelings about certain light companies and certain, you know, tent manufacturers. But the end of the day, what's more important than all that shit is getting people growing, meeting them where they're at, seeing what their goals are, not putting your shit down their throat, or trying to make them buy into your ideology or your dogma, meeting them where they're at and then getting them successfully growing whatever that style is. Then maybe one day you can lead by example and they'll convert to your style, or maybe not, either way, they contributed to overgrow. So I fucking I vibe with that in a big way? Kyle and this, this was a dope episode. You really dropped a lot of knowledge. Man, I can't thank you enough.

Yeah, man, I always appreciate being here. And it's like you said, like it really is whoever you are. Like, you'll ask me. People ask me every day, what should I use? And I ask them questions back, because I can tell you how to grow any way you want. You want to be organic. I can give you food. I give you a bunch of organic soils and a bunch of clean products. You don't care. You want to go fire. You want to go big ass. Plants, we can do that too, you know, like, it just depends. There's so many ways to grow grow, just like, there's, like, you know the old saying, there's a lot of ways to skin a cat, yeah, you know plants, it's the epitome of it,

especially weed. Man, that's exactly right. So we appreciate you, man, we appreciate you educating. I appreciate your passion and your experience. I know you got a heart out here, so we're gonna let you go. Kyle, everybody, thefoop.com you know it, there's probably a promo in this episode, but code grow cast always. And Kyle is at Green Ninja growers on Instagram. That's at Green Ninja growers. He's also in our Discord. Get at us in the member discord. Thank you so much. Kyle, be safe out there. Man, and working in the storms in the 100 degree heat, we appreciate you. Man, yeah, keep growing. Everybody. Take care. All right, everybody. You take care out there. This is Kyle from the FUPA Jordan River, signing off, saying, be safe and grow smarter. You. Music. That's our show. Thank you for tuning in. And thank you to Kyle. Pesta Palooza, July 29, and 30th. That is right. Everybody the all day. Pest fest, IPM, master class, Q and A learn and burn and catered after party. You can catch it on Zoom now. That's right. Pesta palooza.com, should bring you right there, or find it at growcast podcast.com/classes grab your zoom ticket code zoom for five bucks off. It is a great class, great curriculum. And as a zoom attendee, you're also going to get the pest Quick Reference Guide emailed to you, as well as Jordan's personal IPM schedule. So that all comes with the Zoom ticket, and, of course, the live ticket in San Diego and La this month again, July 29 and 30th. That's San Diego at mighty hydro. Thank you to mighty hydro. And that is Sunday, July 30 at Pulse labs in LA. That's right. We're with pulse teamed up again. Shout out to pulse and thank you for hosting us. Come and see us. Sync angel, the amazing Matthew gates is gonna put on an awesome IPM master class again, a Q and A learn and burn. Bring your toughest questions. We are going deep into pests, insects, beneficials and more, and come and kick it with us, with the catered after party special guests at every class. We got Dr Coco coming down to the San Diego class. We got Andrew from SD microbes coming down to the San Diego class. Eleanor is going to be there. Producer Jay might even be there. And then in LA, we got Chris from Pulse, of course, at that class, it's going to be so much fun. Don't miss the most unique event in cannabis, Pesta palooza. Come and check us out. We're in SoCal, July, 29 and 30th, and catch it on. Zoom. Code, growcast for $20 off your ticket. Code zoom for $5 off your zoom. Thank you so much for your support. Thank you to Matthew gates and stay tuned. We're coming to a town near you. Oh, and be sure to check out all of our classes at growcast podcast.com/classes, we have Pesta Palooza in Florida. We got the breeder class in Virginia. Grab those tickets. Everybody. Grab those tickets, and I'll see you soon. Thank you so much for tuning into the show. I hope you're gardening something amazing out there. I'll be here to help every single Monday. You can count on it. I'll see you soon. Be safe out there, everybody. Bye,

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