All right this steering committee meeting for on March 28. For the April general meeting. We weren't recording for like the last six minutes. But quickly go over. We are rescheduling death for the left and I was seeing it at Valley Abreu. date will be determined by membership. We can to North Central Valley DSA reincorporated San Joaquin. So maybe we can invite them to that. Since they said they wanted to do a day up here North Central Valley DSA so you can see it numbers on to invite them I think for all business which we haven't done anything with, it was tabling with buyers that have combined WC memberships II walk into you stuff on it, and then submitting the final form of the for the final version of the tax and 24 a document for our 501 C four status membership has to approve it or resubmit it. For new business, we have a final round of bylaws that will be presented at this meeting. Members will then be African what exactly is the time for amendments?
By law review, do you remember
I was looking but now the thing?
Changes to the bylaws. Okay, so once the bylaw change has been announced any member can submit amendments that proposal amendments has been asked the membership two weeks before the vote to adopt the proposal. individual members shall submit their amendments to the steering committee who are responsible for answering them. And starting can also determine that a vote for proposal is actually a separate bylaw change and should be should go through the full process. Okay. So once you present members will then have two weeks to submit any amendments which steering all them make available to our members. And then during the next general meeting, they will vote to approve the amendment or the bylaw change.
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that we have our I don't know if you want to extend to a social event, I don't like jet and like Paulo said they're interested in doing something but
yeah, we really should.
Yeah. And we can ask my guess. I
was also thinking that since we might want to hold table it so if we're gonna reintroduce Palestine as a focus campaign, I was thinking that what we could do is wait until that passes to do tabling because then we can go table and be like, Hey, we're doing Palestine, tenant unions, II walk and just be like, Hey, look at all this shit we're doing at the same time. Because if we go to like, if we go to delta with all of that, at the same time, I guarantee Palestine will be a big draw. But also all that other stuff will just like make our you know, resume look plush or whatever.
Make stuff. Yeah, we can hold off. I guess we're gonna bring it up just to be like if you have spots in color for a month. Well, I
also I mean, now that we have more people and we have crab fit to ask when people are available, we could use that to like say, Hey, if you're available during the day to go to delta or wherever it is that we're tabling that it would make definitely make it easier to plan. So
yeah, as long as everyone fills it out beforehand. Yeah. Okay. The will ask, we can ask about numbers one pose, or plan a social event. Like we don't have to approve it. At the meeting, I think we can just kind of
Yeah, I don't think we
want to do something. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess we can see if well We're gonna announce it today I'll give people week to think of something. We
could do a benefit that might that's usually not like a terrible. I mean, we don't necessarily like a ton of people to do a benefit, but we could
like ordering clearing stuff like getting a drink. What are the benefits? Yeah, well, I
don't know. I'm thinking like, yeah, like, pay per plate kind of benefit or whatever. I don't know. Like, maybe something less cringy than that. But
yeah, I don't know. People. Gonna be like five bucks. It's 50 bucks. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, pay for a single ifec for Palestine.
Yeah, no, it cost like $6,000 or something to get one person out. Okay. And then, yeah, I guess we have the big thing on the table, which is focus campaign, which basically is like what I wrote off the first time, so I guess we can just reintroduce that. Um, what is it? What are we saying now? Go through genocide?
Yeah, something like that. Um,
yeah, I can just present it again. I mean, I think you're right rally. It was it was a focus campaign football. But I think the only thing I didn't add on there was like disrupting fundraisers?
Oh, that'd be Yeah, that'd be good.
Fundraisers or? Yeah, basically, fundraisers, I don't know what else Democrats would be doing. I don't really care about going to like their official business. You know, because none of those people's minds are going to be changed by a disruption to fundraiser perhaps people feel less like, like, less likely to go to these like two $3,000 events if they're going to get posted on social media and get annoyed and harassed.
Yeah, like the, you're one of the the ones from a couple months ago of that Bay Area group go into the, you know, I'm talking about where they went to, like the shipping company, or like Exxon or whatever it was.
Like, I know, you're talking about,
there's like a private party, and it's a bunch of like, you know, dirty street rat, kind of like hippies, like, get shouting at them. Basically. It's fucking great.
Okay, thanks. Thanks. Where? What's this? Oh, it's a separate Excel file. Okay.
Awesome. I think Adri made a different one. Okay. Um,
and, yeah, other than that, anything else you guys can think of for like the focus campaign? I think. I mean, part of it. Yeah. Is that tabling and trying to get the community that are supporting reactions right now to say, well, like on their own? Like, I don't know if that will actually happen, which is kind of why I wanted to, like try it out once, before we get into her focus campaign. Because like, seems like a good idea. I talked with a couple other tonight for Palestine, folks. And they also said it seemed like something that the community would support. But it's one thing to say it another thing for folks that actually show up. And I think if no one shows up to that, like whatever we do next month, then we'll probably have to reconsider that portion of the focus campaign, like a big portion of the relying on the community to come out and table with us. Instead of just being us tabling around us tabling on our own is like way less effective.
Yeah, the more that we can like get other people involved, the better. Yeah. Yeah.
So if no one shows up, then we can't really let that be like the central strategy. And I think at that point, I don't even know if we should do like, really make it look like a focus campaign because unless we're gonna be out like tabling three or four times a month. I guess we can be but it just seems weak sauce compared to like having, you know, 10 tabling events throughout the month. And like a lot of people doing it.
I mean, honestly, even if we did we wouldn't do that many, even if we did like one a week. It would be you know, quite a lot.
Yeah, but I think the Democrats were like, ignore it. Like it does seem disruptive enough, you know? Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. Like maybe enough for like us. Select recruit, and like grow, but not enough to, like affect the Democrats perception of whether they're gonna win or not.
Yeah, well, I mean, well, yes. But also we're small and like, even, even if we just do recruiting, it would be worthwhile at this point. Because like, the more people we can get, the more disruptive we can be, the more and like, especially if we can, like accelerate into the election. That like, probably is a good idea. Yeah.
Like a final month,
like, a month of tabling and see if it's something that seems sustainable. Because if it's something we can do, like, if we do get one in a week, it's like, okay, maybe we could try and squeeze into and we get more interested people or more folks that might, and then, but like, even just getting one a week, I think, because no one else is doing it around here. It actually does affect them.
Yeah, like, the I mean, that. That's why I want it next month to be the trial before we like pass the focus campaign. I see. Okay. Yeah. Because it feels like, like, I guess, if we can recruit like some of the folks at the rally, because I think we asked them to fund bank before. And maybe one person showed up for the phone banking, even though we like collected a bunch of signatures and like we had kind of done outreach beforehand, to get folks to come out. I think phone banking was like so foreign. That there is like, madness. So maybe tabling is, like much more familiar and not so stressful sounding.
So I my the timeline I'm kind of imagining is, because we still have to keep up with the tenant union stuff. So if we do next month, so like you we have the the rally, right. And then if we can do, if we did, like, even like one or two tabling that month, along with the tenant union stuff, it would be pretty full month at that point. Then the end, we the focus campaign gets presented right, then next month, or the next month after that. We vote on whether the votes campaign passes. And then we'll know based off of like the one or two tabling events that we did this month, or this upcoming month, whether we could accelerate into it or not, because we'll know whether the focus campaign has passed and there'll be more time available and resources that we can a lot to it. Like according to our own rules. Yeah, so maybe, maybe it's a good idea to just do a tester month with only like one or two. Because we are already kind of strapped as far as like hands. Especially. And the thing is like tabling might be more comfortable for the new people. But we got them to like show up for door knocking. So if we can get them to show up for that. We might be able to recruit some new people and then go into the Palestine thing with a bunch of votes and people being excited about doing more tabling.
Yeah, sorry, Chris.
Just quick note is like if we can get pairs of people, like one person who can interest another person, I think we can easily get multiple things. My issue is by like multiple tables a week i My only issue is like, can we get people on weekdays. And that's why getting students might be good to just test the waters and see if students can do it during the week at all. And then we could take over during the weekends, but movies intro on the weekend and say like, Hey, does anyone want try this on a Wednesday? And see if we can draw interest that way?
Yeah, I mean, I was in their proposal. I didn't even say we need to table I just like I just wanted a day where we invite folks to the palace from the Palestinian rally to be like, Come plan some cabling with us. And then, like they'll do it that way. weren't like it's not taking up our time.
But I think that could lead into phone banking. I think that would I think like natural progression for me is Tabeling, phone banking, and then like canvassing, but
yeah, yeah, I mean, we do. So we do need to set up like our time tracker, kind of like an air table, because this is all like campaign activity at this point for this focus campaign, which is fine if we kept it at like 35, which is what a focus campaign is supposed to be. But yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess we can bring up the membership. If people have time to table we can table but I just My main interest was to see if we can get volunteers to actually show up to like the tabling training. Yeah, because if no one shows up to that then then we know moving forward like shorter we have until November for election time, but it's going to be much slower ramp up to actually get people on board. We
actually if we we actually could we could keep the the slide quest proposal that we have with the no labor in it, and shoehorn in a training and like education things. Basically, that's not a side quest. That is training on how to do tabling, basically. Right? Yeah, I'm saying, well, that's I'm saying as we can, that's what we can get, basically keep the labor out of the sight quest.
What is the labor?
The training for if you like, because this thing, if you if you put that in the side quest, then it is totally, it's getting outside the realm of what is already having three events, and like, potentially other kinds of things that we're doing is like outside the realm of what a side quest is supposed to be? And but if we like, basically just real label it, it loses that problem. relatable it to an education training, basically.
Oh, I mean, yeah, the
the problem with the side quest is that the point of the side quest is that it has a low voter threshold, because it's just like a one off thing that it doesn't require any effort by any members. And we kind of are like, it's all supposed to be single events with like, basically no investment. And the way it is, is not that.
I don't think that's what they're supposed to do. And I say, that
is, the whole reason is because I read it with Paulo. And we were like, hey, this doesn't fit that description at all.
I mean, they can be single events or ongoing work, that will not require a significant ongoing commitment. But significant ongoing is like focus campaign.
Right? But that's what this would be to this. This is like a whole month worth of commitment.
And yes, it was one rally a month, which is kind of like we were just doing that before, but doing three, like our side quests instead of one. If
we kept the side quests at a month, I think it's, it seems reasonable to do these other things, maybe not the training, like you're saying, Riley but like, if we just do a test month to see okay, are we ready to take this on as a focus campaign? I feel like I could consider that a side quest. Still.
I would agree. I think that the the issue is that this isn't the first time we've done this. We've already had other side quests on this same topic, right, that have had events and had labor in them. And so what we basically decided on like, whether it was intentional or not, because obviously, we didn't intend for this to be this way. We have basically created a side quest with by voting at a much lower threshold than what's actually required for a fault or created a focus campaign was something that didn't require everyone to agree on it. Right. And that's, I think that that's my main issue with it is that if we're supposed to be a democratic organization, and all this stuff, and we keep making side quests that were explicitly on the topic as of a focus campaign that didn't pass, and we keep doing it over and over and over again, that looks really bad. To me. It looks like we're just like shoehorning in something that we couldn't get past basically, why can't
we bring this idea to a focus campaign? And just vote on that? Again? I don't I guess I don't
know. That's the problem for right now at least is that they, like may 1 is International Workers Day. And our general meeting is the day after. So if we do if we don't do this, then are sitting out of International Workers Day, which Palace like some, like group from Palestine had already put out a statement of like, ask her unions to like, come out on May 1 in support, like in solidarity with Palestine. So we don't set the whole thing out. Like we already kind of are because we'll just say like international worker day, like on social media, but like, we're not putting any labor towards doing outreach to labor unions. So we're already basically sending it out.
Well, no, but we could do that. Because that would be that's why I'm saying that would be a different thing from what we've done in the past, right? That would be its own, like unique side quest, a one off thing that really wouldn't require that much labor be a single day. Right. And that's
because we'd have to go to like, political committee meetings to like unions and like, hey, like, Hey, this is we are law like, it would be effort.
Not just like, well, right. And so right. And so what we should have done is we should have planned it out. We fucked up. That's the way it is.
Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying. It is focused on the campaign work, but we are, which require two thirds and this is 51% I guess? Well,
it's one, it's not even that really
50 We could get two thirds pretty easy. Honestly, I'm not saying I know that that
timeline at this point, I guess you could have three separate ones.
That's I know that sounds like more work. But what if we just Yeah, well, if we had different sides? Well, if our focus campaign just we just repurpose the Palestine thing with this plan, and say, like, this is what we're planning, I'm sure more people will be on board, because it's more definitive what we're doing. And we could just say our focus campaign is the Labor Day and the like, just that have different focus campaigns for these other actions.
Well, pass is the problem. By May 1.
It won't pass. Oh, yeah, we
propose it now. And then we basically have to sit on our hands until May 2.
I see what you're saying. God dammit. Yeah.
Yeah, that's the I mean, that's kind of the problem with not having passed. Like we needed to pass the focus campaign. And yeah, now we're having to like, sidestep it. Because Do we have a
question? Do we actually have to re introduce it? Because we already introduced the Palestine campaign once right? Do we need to reintroduce it?
I think the first one was like so vague. But it would be like inappropriate almost. Everything's like all it was inappropriate because like we're letting the stupid bylaws like the bureaucracy, like stop us from like, just acting in a way that like set like our quorum is nine, seven people voted yes. On this thing like eight including myself. Yeah,
that's that's kind of the way I see is maybe we could reduce it reentered, reintroduce it just because now we have new members that maybe haven't seen it, but like didn't get a chance to vote on it. So like, there's so many other factors, we we've technically passed it, but we didn't, because we didn't know the bylaws like so many. Last
time, we voted to say fuck it, we're not going to reintroduce it. Like what are
we what are we? What do we need to do to do the International Labor Day thing? Like what like explicitly, what do we need to do? So
we'd need I mean, you know, corresponds to the event and then find like a list of unions go through and find, like, reach out, see if they have political committee, like meetings between now and then, and then go through them and present our proposal for like, come out. And also, also is the research on like, in their field, what other unions have done, like I think the unknown Bay area, there's like a coalition to unions that have just come out in support of a ceasefire. Like an actual ceasefire, not like the bullshit like the AFL CIO sees fired. Yeah. And so like, seeing like, Okay, who did that? So once we go talk to like nurses or something, we can push a little further, if we're just gonna go talk to like, maybe the cranes or something like maybe they won't be willing to go as far as we have to know like, how far to push and are asked. So that is a bit of work to do. And actually go into these things.
Okay, um,
so, that, okay, so the way that the way the side quest thing is worded, right, is that it? It's okay, as long as it doesn't require effort from the membership, right? It's just, it's just steering committee that can do it. Right. Or it's like, supposed to be done by street steering committee, right.
I don't think that was the I mean, I don't think that was the intent. That was like steering committees. there to make sure like, our park cleanup was a sidequest. That was the effort by the membership. It was this like, like a steering committee has to, like, make sure it gets done and would by which, I mean, like, actually, like, do the administrative work of getting it done. Right. So everything is Yeah, I know. But it was like, the point was that we didn't want to let steering committee just be like, we don't like this. We're not gonna actually do any of this. And just like go on strike. You know, like, we don't actually want to do Palestine stuff. So we're not going to post we're not going to like remind people to go where it's gonna be like, ignoring it. Like we wanted to borrow that from happening. That was the intent of saying that steering committee has to like facilitate or whatever the fucking word we used. Not that no one else does anything like all the side quests involve activity by membership. How
about this? Why don't we Why don't we pass it for this because I want to do this like it's something I want to do and I agree with you that like letting the bylaws Stop it is fucking stupid. But I think what we need to do is a min the way the bylaws the way the side quests work. That way, it's more clear that like, because like this is like more than like a single one off event. So maybe what we need is, like a different type of side quest that requires a higher bar to pass it that way, it's more in line with our like democratic values and all that shit. Because I would like to do this. It's just that, you know, it just seems really kind of not great.
I know, I know. And we also need to change. Like if it's approved. So it says the steering committee membership committee, or a delegation will be in charge of accomplishing the action that should be rewarded like reworded, I think someone else would even say like membership committee and a delegation, which totally like redefines the meaning.
The remember, we were I made that post about the policies and all that junk. Yeah, Sao Paulo posted a thing about like, the kind of stuff that you put into and leave out of bylaws. And the way that thing, kind of what it suggests is that bylaws are vague, and then you make policy to be specific about what the pot what the bylaw means. Whereas we've been basically making those bylaws more and more specific as we go.
Yeah, I mean, that's nonprofit world, because they have like, a book of policy.
Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's more like, if we leave it vague, it runs into these issues, where like, are we supposed to do this? Or are we not supposed to do this? And we can make policy that says, Yes, we are supposed to do this? We're not supposed to do this.
I know, I just feel like a two learning nonprofit stuff in, like the nonprofit policies like books, you know, like, that's why it needs to be separate for them. Not like, because we're like, I don't know, I feel like having all these different documents, not because the thresholds for changing policy shouldn't be the same. Unless we, you know, like two thirds vote, but as we lower it, then we need a new definition or like, what is policy? What is bylaw? Yeah.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I don't know we need to wait. We need to we need to make a clear figure out a way to make this like clear
the, like, in my mind, the better fixes for focus campaign to be just like, kill the one month. Wait, because that's what's killing us now has been like the one one debate and maybe we should do
that. Yeah. No, I totally agree with that. Yes.
Because that would fix everything we use, pass it at the next meeting of focus campaign and be like we're going and I think, sure you only have one week to, like, look at it ahead of time. Or maybe we give it two weeks, like the same two weeks? Well,
online. Yeah, that makes more sense to me.
Okay, then maybe that's part of our proposal we can propose. Isn't
that part of the problem that when we went from two meetings to one meeting that yeah, we just didn't have the next meeting to do it, or? Yeah,
I think focus campaign was always one month. Oh, yeah. I mean, we have to do the same thing with the tenant housing stuff where like, we've proposed it, we went to a meeting and like, didn't talk about it, or we talked like a little bit more about kind of union stuff. And then at the next meeting, we played voted on it. But the problem has been like this one a month delay. And I guess also, we just felt like, I feel like we were just like, Okay, we just keep side questing forever when we were just like, co sponsoring stuff. But now that we're actually doing stuff. The one month delay is killing us. And yeah, I mean, I agree. All the stuff that I typed up is like, definitely not cyclist. Only. Like, I think now it's okay, ish. At best. Like, we're kind of lumping. Like, if we call there's ongoing work, you know, ongoing work of going to rallies. Yeah, then like, really, it's like that training day is like, the extra thing onto it. Otherwise, it's like one month a day just spread out.
Yeah, that's, that's what I'm saying to you is like that if we have like a training thing, basically, because that's already under like one of the powers that we have like given ourselves via the bylaws. You don't need to ask to do it really. Right. So that's we can avoid that a little bit.
I know but we're not like we're just like I hate this I hate like all the bylaws are in the way let's fucking find some bureaucratic way of like, getting around them and like doing what we want to do especially when it's like seven out of average of nine members say yes, we still gotta demolish it
sounds like you need we need to we need to anarchist roles.
This is a one time situation to the and that's why I feel like if we re propose it'll take a month but if we re propose the Palestine action as a different action, although it's just like has a plan now rather than just be more like that. He was just too vague before. So there's a space to argue against it. Whereas now if we make it a side quest, say, Hey, this is a side quest that is explicitly for the purpose of piloting this to see if it can be a campaign. I bet we'll get the votes. I mean, we have the votes, but we'll, we'll get the votes again. Yeah,
I mean, I was gonna propose basically what I put, like the first version of what I posted, yes, yeah. And then, and then add on protesting people at fundraisers. I'm just trying to see I feel like I remember something where it was like, it did give us the flexibility of like, members just being able to be like, Fuck you this design class now.
I mean, in theory is the membership votes or something at like, if we said, hey, do you guys want to do this? And do you want to ignore the bylaws, I feel like the vote of the membership and the meetings, you just basically override that, because they're gonna fucking do it anyways. I
mean, that's been my philosophy has been like, the bylaws serve as guidelines for the membership and they vote. And, I mean, someone can make an argument, you're not listening to the bylaws? And if the rest of the members are like, fuck you. On facet, then it's past like, I don't know what, I don't know, I guess maybe we can add a line of like, if membership agrees with this being, like, this activity may not fully follow these guidelines. But membership feels like it is necessary to do it, then it's allowed.
Yeah, I kinda, I kind of think because like, I basically feel like if, if everyone had a meeting, or like, everyone, almost everyone at the meeting agrees to do something. At the size we're at right now. That's basically everyone in the organization. And that means organization wants to do it. So we should just do it. Yeah.
Yeah. And I mean, we like at this point, we pass like a 2/3 threshold for the sun to.
So maybe, maybe, maybe we should bring that up at the meeting.
Yeah, like, feel free to use factor by us.
Because that's like, that's part of like a larger ongoing conversation about like, what kind of politics we have as an organization and like what we believe, and if we, and if we really believe in, like, people power or whatever, that's like a legitimate thing to bring up. Okay,
sorry, that highlighted quote was non campaign committees may also include a limited range of other actions subject to membership approval. So yeah, like we put in these words of like, limited range, but like, that doesn't mean anything. Yeah, we need
to be, they either need to be concrete, or be gotten rid of. Okay.
So sorry. So for the focus campaign, present and then clarify that the I mean, for like the union stuff, I guess, like we, I guess we can ask whether members like, like at the at the meeting that won't like that can be a separate side plus, like, do you want to supplement the Labor Day protest with some union outreach and vote for it again? I guess I would be okay. You're kind of like stalking side quests on top of each other. It's like getting close.
I mean, that like that legitimately kind of creates the same problem, which is like that. We're basically turning into a focus campaign. With that. I think that's an artifact of the bylaws. Right? Yeah. And that, yeah, so we just need to modify that basically. Okay,
so bylaws review, go over what we discussed in the 2024 bylaw review, but then also propose, either and we're not voting on this. So the proposal for like the six or the one month like killing the one month for the focus campaign, this is literally just proposals either killing the one month requirement for focus campaigns and changing it to two weeks prior to a general meeting. And also, so do you want to like include so here, let me read out what it says for the side quest. WC, you may engage in a limited range of side quest. side quests non campaign activities not subject to the cap on campaigns. These activities will include the three essential functions of admin work, outreach, work and political education work to be accomplished by steering committee membership committee. And a delegation coordination will be overseen by the steering committee non campaign activities may also include a limited range of other actions of the membership approval. These actions may be single events, such as demonstrations or ongoing work that will not require a significant ongoing commitment of resources by the membership.
Maybe if we kill the single event or not the single event, maybe if what we do is we say we killed the ongoing commitment or resources thing that way we can string them together. I don't know.
Or, I mean, it's a significant ongoing commitment of resources by the membership. I guess we can just change it to. I mean, at the end of the day, yeah, like you're saying it's up to membership?
Well, I mean, really, the thing that we really, like, is this kind of totally restructures the bylaws, then we should really do is just get rid of the two focus campaigns. And just have a, like, a suggestion that you limit it to no more than two, like main focuses? Because like, that's also part of what's fucking us up here is that the attempt to like, keep us focused, is preventing us it's like walking us out of doing things that we want to do. Yeah. I
know. I mean, yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess it's also somewhat unique situation where like, I feel like if someone had wanted to propose, I don't know, like, we want to what do people do here? I can No, not advocate for anything here. Like, let's say we wanted to, like, organize against prop one or something. Like if someone had brought that up, like, that's something that I was like, gonna come and end, you know? And if like, we didn't do it, then fine. But like, it would be over already. Like, the problem is like, this was a long term thing that we knew we were going to be engaged in long term. And we fucked up like the initial proposal. Like the whole thing stems from us backing up the initial proposal. If he had just done it, like our bylaws would not be restricting us right now. And then oh, yeah, yeah. And then at the next meeting, we fucked up again, by not being like no reintroduce it, let's pass it, because we're gonna need it. And instead, we killed it again.
If we hold it harder, yeah. Yeah. And then
at the next time, we were like, still not gonna propose a focus campaign and excited we just proposed the cycle. So I don't know. So I mean, I'm okay with killing the one month requirement for the focus campaign. Maybe for the other stuff, we can slightly modify side quests, but this is just been outspoken up, to be honest, for like, four or five months. Yeah. Like, we should have just been like, okay, let's just bring it back a little bit better, and then move on.
Yeah. But the thing is, like, at the time, our thinking was, if we just keep reintroducing it over and over and over again, like, that's kind of that's fine to have a similar problem, which is like, we're just ignoring the will of the, you know, but yeah, yeah.
But I mean, the membership has grown to, like Chris was saying. Okay, so maybe for side quests, we can say, like, the essential functions of admin work, outreach work, and political education, that basically can mean everything. Like, what's left, like this is outreach work. This is political, educational.
Immediate, maybe what we should do is, just since we do have more people now is a sidequest gets assigned to or like people can elect to do it or whatever, to just, you know, like two or three people or whatever, and they're responsible for it that way. Everyone else is not like getting into it very much. Because like, one of the problems is that if focus campaigns are supposed to be the main commitment of our resources, then you know, it, basically everybody in the organization, you're supposed to be doing tenant union, you're supposed to be doing Palestine shows, media, whatever, right. And the side quests would be draining that away. But if it's only a select group of people who are doing it, we like make a little Committee to the side quest, then it's only them doing it. And that's a relatively minimal amount of resources that end up going to it both in time and like, you know, when we have money, money
I guess you've run into stuff like if we did the park cleanup stuff, like, it would be better if everyone showed up, you know,
should we have like a second? That's not to say that was what I was saying earlier is maybe we should have a second type of side quest then. Because if we have, if we have something that's like just a couple of people, and it's not an ongoing commitment, it's not a or even if it is an ongoing commitment. It's not an amount of lot of resources. But if maybe it's if it's only a single day's worth of things, then more people can engage in it. Because that's, again, a single day is not that much of a commandment?
Yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, I guess people have been, I guess. Yeah, I guess we're trying to balance like, like you're saying like, if we if membership is approving Do we just crossed that membership knows their capacity and their memberships not going to approve stuff? If, like, if I propose something another thing tomorrow? Like I would, I would trust membership to be like, alright, or, like, calm down, like, fuck off of this?
Yeah, no, no, I. So we could we could just remove the limitations and just say that, you know, that a sidequest is just a non Campaign Activity flat out. And it's up to membership to decide whether we do it or not.
Yeah, maybe that's best. But
if we do that, we need to modify the the vote level for the forum to be higher, because then it foreign plus one is the low level, and that we would need to have the same amount of because if we if we remove the restrictions on like, the time and effort, then it potentially can be as much as a focus campaign. And so it could need the same level of scrutiny as a focus campaign.
We have now is nine, eight or something?
Yeah. Something like that. 75
people, right now it's five. And then higher would be
two thirds would be six. Yeah,
it'd be one person.
I mean, that seems reasonable. Right.
For now, yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, I guess that's a fair compromise
Okay, so we write the I don't what do you guys think Robbie,
press.
I mean, I feel like this is the best path forward in terms of like, we're kind of saying is having the having it be a side quest for now and then hammering out the details of what the side quest is and the focus campaign and then re voting on our past focus campaign, but just with the new membership and updated like actually what we're going to do with the bugs I think the reason that got struck down before is just because people didn't know what it was. Yeah, it was
don't do Popular Front. Do certain little fuckers Okay, probably what do you think of like rewriting side quest to be lifted restrictions basically. And then I think it would be up to membership to be like this sounds like something you want to do for six months. Maybe make it a focus campaign.
Yeah. Yeah. Because that's what we want in the end. Your membership you know?
Yeah, yeah, I guess right now we we really can't have like a con like, if this is over next month, there's no way for us to have a proposal for a concentrated one month activities. And this would kind of fill that like modifying it would lift that gap. Okay. So lift the restrictions,
but
make it clear that it's up to members I mean, that's pretty clear. That's up to membership to decide if they should be focused and then change the vote requirement requirements to third
of quorum Okay.
All right. So we got that anything else
I mean, we have to bring back up the,
the,
the reading group thing, because since you guys agreed that we were going to decide what the next reading group assignment or whatever is at the next meeting, we need to bring that up. But also we need to bring out whether we want the general membership to design or if we want the reading group to design Because I I realized I didn't make that I guess I didn't make that as clear as I should have. So we need to clarify that.
Is there is there anything else besides
you want to do want to like see if there's a revote for whether they should be like Praxis related, or No,
I think that that's good. Like I actually find it and I think that having the one the WC one be more related to WSU pertinent stuff, it makes sense. Because like, what I originally wanted to do was have the reading group be kind of like, generate ideas of like what we would want to do as an organization, but not have it have the like, pressure of like, we're going to debate about what we should do, you know. And so I think that making it like low stakes, but open people's minds to new ideas about what we could do as an organization, what we should do as an organization. I think that's a good idea.
Okay, yeah, I mean, it wasn't like design like the one from yesterday, I think our takeaways from it were. I wrote an article saying
bad because I had, I had my friend come to it. And he felt like he was like, stuck out like a sore thumb. And I was like, Oh, my God, I'm so I feel so bad.
I mean, polish. No, but I don't think he said he didn't finish the readings. I was like, sorry, I was like, ignoring him. I was, like, asking for his opinion on stuff. And I felt like if you didn't read it, it's okay. But like, some of that was like this passage specifically. And I was like, I don't know how to do on this.
Yeah, one of the things that I tried out at the last solidarity meeting was to have everyone take turns, like reading it. And that seemed to work pretty good, since nobody had read the document basically. So yeah, yeah. But there's a few reading groups that I don't have heard of that, basically do that same thing. They'll like read two paragraphs, and then everybody, like give their opinion on those two paragraphs.
Yeah, we can try different things we kind of just went through, like takeaways. They I mean, it wasn't really like informing what we're doing. But it was, I mean, the overall thing was, it's like about how even with all these forces aligned, like, even at the capitalist, aligned, all they got was reforms out of it. And you ended up going down this pathway of solidifying capitalism instead of kind of break free for free from it. Like just the warning of any last question. Yes. At the Glasgow one. Yeah. So I mean, it was interesting. And it was, I guess, there's some takeaways, I think we we came up with some and I'll post it tomorrow, I guess. But yeah, anyways, okay, so we'll pick a book. Seven is not so much like, what do we do next? Exactly. But like, just stuff to think about what we're doing to you stuff. Because I think if anyone brings up like, oh, maybe we should try to pass like go to City Council to pass like stronger rent control, or something or, like subsidies for people like, that would be like that article could serve as the argument against that.
Yeah, I was actually just thinking, while you're saying that, because you were saying that you had taken notes that one of the things that we need to bring up at the general meeting, is to like, encourage it at whatever meeting we have that we have someone taking notes, because I think you said something about that the other day, right?
Yeah. I mean, not just note taking. Yeah, that we need. We do need note taking for these meetings, because it's not good that like we shouldn't let the recording and expecting people to sit through and now like hour and a half conversation, the the barrier for like them being able to know what's happening in the meeting. Yeah, I guess we can kind of like a summary. But it's not always the best. I guess it's getting better. Like we need to have like data on what, who we are, what our activities are that way when they are sunrises and actually, like, refer back to stuff that the org is doing. So there is a way to make it better. Instead of just like summarize this conversation. But yeah, I think if someone can take notes, though, obviously do a much better job than an AI will
also also we could just like take little snippets, like you were saying about, like this specific section of this piece of reading that we were doing. That's like important takeaway part. You know, And then we can just like clip that out and stick it in like some other document, you know, like, this is like important fit the rebates clicking or whatever. Yeah.
And, and just the other thing that we talked about at the meeting, like, because the Glasgow thing was like, you know, basically women led and we were looking at the faces at the meeting, it was very much like, just guys without families. And I was like, so like, we can't like to like, and like, we talked about how like, The problem seems to be like, yeah, the reading group happens for like, an hour and a half every month, you know? Yeah, that's why we're like, let's try. Like Paulo, it actually started discussion by like, asking a question that like, no one, no one answered him. But that we should try to, if people are gonna be able to read early, like, start posting some takeaways on the forum to like, generate some discussion. So for the folks that can't make a pm on a Wednesday, they have a chance to participate and get some back and forth them. And then even that, like helps inform the actual discussion that happens. More live on Wednesdays?
Yeah, I, like I'm not i The thing is, like, I'm not really opposed to the idea of, of having, like a synchronous slash, like digital, like back and forth on it. It's more that if the, you know, like, is the people going to the reading group are, you know, they're doing the reading, and they're participating in the in the discussion for, like, for sure. The if the general member hit, especially as we get larger, if like, you know, 5% of the organization goes to the reading group, but 90 or 100% of the organization gets to decide what they're reading. It's like, Well, why would you even go to it? Because like, you have no standard terminal?
Yeah, no, I definitely agree. Control over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think the like, the only the only thing I could see as if it was like, something went really was like, we have to, like, understand some document to like, move forward as an org. And yeah, that'd be different. Yeah, yeah. We just need like some folk, we need the people who like to read to actually read it. I'm like, get back to us. That
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. That's
what that's what I'm saying. If it was like an educational course, or if it was like, some kind of bureaucratic thing, that would be very different, because it would affect everyone.
Yeah. I think yeah, I think for now, like, I guess I want to leave space open for someone to like, vote for something, if they really want to read it, then maybe they'll come to the next one, you know,
they should be I think they should definitely be able to make recommendations like, Hey, we should read this thing on the forum. Like that makes perfectly good sense to me, is, especially if they can't come and they're like, if they want to send it to me and be like, Hey, would you be willing to recommend this thing? And I would, unless it's crazy, unless it's like, you know, pro Stalin or something? I'd be like, sure, whatever.
Yeah, I was gonna say everyone just post recommendations on the forum, we're going to ask you to like speak for like, two minutes as to why people should vote for yours. And then I guess for now we can say like, just vote if you actually intend to fucking come. And don't just fuck other people's recommendation. But yeah,
I mean, we can also make it that if you attended the last meeting, you can vote also, because that would, because that would make sense to it kind of follows in our court, the way we choose quorum. You know, it's like, if you have a history of participating, you can or you can participate?
Yeah, I mean, one month before, it seems a little restrictive. I don't know. I guess we can ask the membership, how they want to do it. Maybe if you've come to like the last three or something. Yeah. Or like one of the last three, at least? Yeah,
I think. I think that's again, that's basically the way we're doing quorum. I think that makes a lot of sense. Okay,
so decide on who gets to vote I on the reading group assignment. I think we will need a much more sophisticated tracking system. Yeah, we're in database of like, attendance tracking and stuff like that, for that currently work when I get a bit larger.
That's the next step. I mean, well, the next step is just fixing the database track stuff. And then the next step after that is fixing it so it can track stuff automatically. Yeah.
Um,
any other new business? I mean, I feel oh, so I guess this just to bring up this can be old business. So April 6. I think I told people 123 was gonna be like, we've been inviting the tenants or we invited the tenants at the canvassing event to come help write a letter to code enforcement as a group on April Oh 6123 At the earliest you Robbie if Odd Fellows is available on which one? April 6
Stealer now that I think
about a Saturday, yeah, shouldn't be fine. Okay, so
let's adapt to the meeting. They closed
right now. Um, yeah, so like went out there for like a team meeting we. And this is depending on availability, ability, but like an actual team wide meeting with some of the folks that we had invited before that's about in like cannabis Inc. But none of that is like new business or old businesses just focus campaign stuff. Anything else like new to do? So we have, like, we'll have a social hopefully put that in. Yeah, if they want to propose a social event, so not politics related. We'll have a depth of the left event that hopefully we can do more work making public broadcasting it and what's a call whatever inviting more people will have the presentation on the focus campaign. And so for this won't be like binding, but I'm going to try to put in like Paulo this recommendation of like how long each section should take up put in like some of those minutes, but I'm just gonna be like randomly guessing. And for now, maybe just like announced a time is up and we just kind of carry on with the conversation. But next time, maybe we do have to put in like, you have to vote to approve and give it like five or 10 more minutes.
Oh, wait, sorry, well, cleanse was born again.
So like Pollard brought up like, maybe each agenda item should get like a time limit. So we can keep ourselves on track? How
about how about, we have a time limit of like, 10 minutes, and then we can extend it if we need, like more time by voting real quick on it. Yeah,
that's what I was saying. Like, maybe this time, just don't let the minutes like really matter, like just announced that 10 minutes are up, but like, keep don't have to, like vote to approve, because, like for the focus campaign, I'm gonna give us like 25 minutes, just good can be a big discussion. Like, I'm just wondering, like, I'm just guessing,
one of the one. So in a lot of groups, they have people who they, you know, they keep people they keep the group on track, they watch time they do facilitation, they like keep everyone's like emotions, you know, like level and then jack or whatever. So maybe what we should do is just assign a clock Walker and like, assign somebody a role of like, keeping us kind of on task. Because like, the more people at a meeting, we can get like involved and now like actually participating and you know, having some responsibility and accountability is probably gonna be good for people in the long run.
Yeah. Okay, mostly see if someone wants to track time. I guess in the future, we should really just have like a clock on the slide or something. Okay, but for now, it will require a vote to like, keep going. But in the next meeting, we should.
So you want to start you want to suggest time limits this time? And then announce them and then next time? actually enforce them? Yeah.
So like, I'll have analytics on there just to be like, let's get used to like, having them in front of us. And trying to follow them. But let's not enforce that, like out of the blue. Yeah, that sounds good. Um, anything else? Chris? Robbie, new stuff. I feel like sometimes it feels like we're not really doing a wide variety of things. And it seems like we're not doing anything. But this will be a lot of work. Yeah, even the side quests will be a lot of work for this time.
Is there any new TCU stuff that we have to do?
Yeah, so the sixth is. So I've like we need the canvas next week. So I'm waiting for people to fill out a little form. Because this week, the weather has been shipped. So we kind of like wrote it off. Yeah. But hopefully next week, the weather is better. And so we got to finish canvassing all the folks that have cockroach infestations. And then we are we already told three folks who were like very enthusiastic about it to come to Oddfellows on the sixth at like one o'clock. So we can like write this letter together as a group. That way like we're not doing all of it by ourselves.
But it's that way, it's
nice to know NWCU people.
Yeah, so it's like, three so far who were like, totally until it?
Yeah, that'd be great. If we can get them to come out, it'd
be amazing. Yeah.
And then maybe like on the 20th, or like the 20s, like, like the weekend after, like, whenever folks are available, kind of like that next dinner to you meeting. But in between, then we'd have to. So I did talk to like Natalie, one of the newer members about like, being kind of the person that sends out reminders to tenants about like, upcoming meetings and stuff. And maybe she could also help out with like, outreach to some of the other folks that came before and is reaching out again, being like, can we like get a copy of the bylaws? And you know, what's happened to the election? To anyone? Like, did you get in stuff like that? And then, so for like the 21st, maybe we can have some real objectives for the for the meeting. Instead of just another get together. Like one thing, we'll definitely be going over the code enforcement letter that should have been sent already. But I think before then, as a group, we also need to just kind of figure out if the board has changed, but do more digging into the board, since that's what people want to organize against.
Yeah, and yeah, we should definitely contact Tobias, or whatever his name was. Jose? Yeah. Yeah. Because if he got a piece on the board now, that would be that would be potentially potentially very helpful, depending on his actual beliefs. Yeah.
Yeah, and I think we just need to spend some more time formulating some of our next steps for that. So maybe having maybe we can plan like an actual to you like focus Campaign Committee meeting?
Yeah. It would be, it would be good to have. It would be good for us to have a meeting to plan what we want to say to them, but then also have a meeting where we can invite, obviously, you know, members of the community, not just to like a to you meeting, but to actually do something to like, do part of the planning.
Yeah, yeah, we can reach back out for that. Let's see, to committee meeting, to planning meeting. Meeting with the cow villa, I would just call them a TA even though they haven't formed yet. Okay, so committee meeting just for WC folks, a planning meeting with the calcula folks that are interested to organize at that level. And then a, like, public meeting, that we invite all the people could Oh,
totally. Wait, sorry, I just remember totally unrelated to this, do we? You and I were talking about buttons and like, you know, new member packages and like anniversary show, whatever, right? Do we need to go to the general membership for approval for that since it would cost money or like, what do we need to do?
Yeah, cuz steering can only allocate like, what? 50 bucks or something?
Yeah, so yeah. Okay. If that's the case, then we should probably bring that up. If there's time. I mean, it's not the most important thing, but
yeah. Okay. So like budget stuff, I think, to address paulose point, we can say, a budget doc isn't ready yet. Soon.
And then
we can bring up we'll do one. Just wait until we get a budget ready. I guess it's hard to determine whether we approve this or not when I don't order budget is.
Yeah, well, okay. Maybe we maybe we should do the budget
first, then. Yeah. It's a good idea.
Do you approve spending that's how much money?
We do not know. But we're almost like I said, I once i i want to make this thing work for the Google Forms. But I mean, I'm in the
oh, why are you trying Google Forms? Because I thought we were gonna
do Google Forms. So we could just do the surveys faster.
through Google Form. Yeah. Now because Google Forms, like you can't update a you need to use air table forms. If you want to update a record. Okay.
I'll do it again. No worries. I just I thought I He's using Google Forms, but because there's a way to do it, I just, I don't know. Like,
I know you can get the records in Yeah, with like with new records. But if you want to update it current record, I think you need to use air table and use like, like in the URL of the air table form, you put in, like the unique code or something in that. And that's how it updates the record.
Okay, I will look into that. Okay.
There was some Adri about this too. Because I think with I think with the airtable form, you can also like if you wanted to say like, someone just could click a link and have like it's semi populated, right? I think in that link, you can also include like, Is this person a homeowner? Or is this a renter can like other information about them? Like tags about like issues that they've talked, talked to us about, like roaches or repairs, etc? Yeah, I think that can be like pre populated in the airtable form, too.
I'll take a look at it. Okay.
Yeah, sorry, I saw you doing Google Forms. And I mean, we can use it for like invoicing or whatever, you know. Yeah. Like if someone wants to submit a receipt, you can go through Google farm.
That's might be well, because we need to find a solution for people that are paying cash too. But that has enough that would kick out the second system side.
No, I meant just for like, if they buy like food or something. Oh, I
see. You're saying okay. Yeah, the
and we also need to figure out the so our membership thing, or the Restrict Pro, there is like, there are plugins for it that like will send data out to other things like action campaign and stuff. I haven't seen anything, it's like just goes out to like makers a beer. Because right now, like basically, like I don't know, of an automated way to send, like, we can use stripe data. Yeah, as like a as the source instead of the Restrict Pro. So maybe that will work. And that's fine. But when people set up, so for people who pay don't pay cash, they won't show up and stripe? That's
yeah, we're just gonna have I mean, maybe I can set up a form or either an active form a Google form, where you just say, Did you pay cash? I don't know. That could be a different. I
mean, you can maybe is there a way to do it where you could like, take it have a receipt, and then like, take a picture of the receipt basically into like, acknowledge payment, and just like have a, like, the treasurer or whatever, sign off on it as an entry. So that's, it just registers the same way. Yeah.
That's kind of what I'm thinking is just use the invoice system as a way to verify that they paid dues in cash and then drop off the cash.
Okay, yeah, no, and like the program and flick Pro, you can like, if someone submits cash it, it makes her membership status is pending. And you have to manually go in and mark it as active. And you can also put in like, can they auto renew or, or not? See, but like that. There is a REST API. So if you like, query it, you can pull out these records. Yeah. But it won't like push. I think you that's
fine. I think we can watch it. And still, we could just have make watch it and then do it that way. Similar to what we were doing with the stripe, Stripe IV API data before where we watched the stripe transactions as they came through and then pulled it in their table. Yeah, that's fine. I'll work on that. Okay, thank you made me an ad. I just didn't get I'd like poked around. But I didn't quite understand. I'll look at it more and try and figure out exactly what we need.
Okay, probably please. Join. Yeah, join members on it. I ask them to join stuff. But yeah, okay. So well, well, I guess we're just present that this is still a work in progress, and we're working on it. Um, okay. Anything else? I think I'm just gonna send the Register link to everyone again. Just be like, hey, remember to sign up otherwise, you can vote next month and you're not a member? Yeah, can we finally were you at the last meeting? Robbie? Yeah, you were. We gave her one until next meeting to start paying dues. So
do we Do we have a voucher system for people? Like if it's a financial liability, or we're
not? We don't have that yet. Okay. So, voucher system, how do we want to do it? Do we want to just have, like, I don't want to present with like, a one day or $1?
I know I think, I think that they should
I think that they should I think that they should need an exception from steering committee. Basically, if it's a fine, like, they just need to come to us and tell us, hey, there's, uh, you know, this is like, financial hardship for me or whatever. And then we can change it to one or zero or whatever. Manually, maybe. I don't know. That would make it harder for you guys. But
do you want I mean, we kind of set up a Can we are gonna pop up that call our nine c? Memberships? No membership levels? Do they all pop up every time or can you like? Ah, yeah, I guess we can't do that. Um Sorry, I'm just trying to see if we can like just have a $1 membership, but hide it, like hide the link, you know?
Yeah, that's what I was. Yeah. Oh, well, we
have discount codes.
Or that works too. Yeah.
Yeah, okay. So we can, if they fill out like a hardship form, I think DSA has like
four dues?
Dues waiver request form. So it just says played out to fill out the form to request the dues waiver. And then Allah says, if you are paying dues monthly, do you want to be contacted to restart? No. Are you remember? No. They only asked you anything. They're just like you can be a new member. You don't want male? I want them paying dues before some non white DSA. Why are you a member of DSA is the only question they ask.
Is the stripe stuff on one password? Yeah, should be okay. Okay, just making sure I've been logging in.
Okay, so I guess we can use that like waiver form, but isn't really anything besides
a discount code do?
Yeah, maybe we just have them fill it out. And we don't really ask why. Yeah,
I have a feeling that's probably the best way to do it. Because like, I, if we don't give it to them automatically as an option, then if it is actually a hardship is probably the only time they're going to come to us and ask so.
Yeah. Okay, so I have a dues waiver form. And if someone fills it out, send them a discount code they can use to sign up for a membership. Or $1 I mean, tank does $1 minimums
Yeah, dollars probably that seems reasonable. If you can't afford a single dollar, there's an issue or I'll pay their fees or
give them $1 Yeah. Okay,
so we'll set it for $1 and then we just have like, we got to clean up like the recruitment that registration form anyways like it looks hella janky and fake. Like we've been trying to steal your money like
oh, well I mean we are right now basically so
no way no
way Yes. Thank you for putting that on the record
I forgot we're getting it recorded. Yes.
Isn't all collecting money stealing money in a way?
I mean, depends on what your definition of stealing is what basically kind
of
the bank steals your money bank
yeah, see the bit we're just a bank. Better bake.
We do very well bank and actually do stuff. Yeah.
We don't invest your money yet. All right.
Start a credit union. It's a kind of union right?
It is a union
All right, I joined finally. I don't know I remember
I'll check the setup.
Okay, anything else that we should be bringing to membership? I think that's gonna be a lot.
Yeah.
I can see focused campaign taking like half an hour Well, this is gonna take forever, yeah. bylaw review, taking like 20 minutes, we're
going to sign plus alterations should we limit discussion and be like 20 minutes? Just so we have?
Yeah, I was gonna say 25 minutes. Okay. And then you have to vote on because voting or doing another 10 minutes? We should.
Yeah, we should have timers and we'll get that set up automated, but for now, I feel like we should have dimers for maybe that's something we talk about steering is like, how long do we expect people talk about stuff? And how long should we, you know, plan for that kind of stuff? Because otherwise these meetings are gonna get out of hand? Yeah, I'm gonna really like two hours. Exactly. The
Lodi City Council limits like, discussion or comment to like five minutes per person. So even that would be like almost an hour for discussion. So maybe what we do is just like we have, we give like equal time to presentation and discussion.
Yeah, like that.
And for more complex things like focus campaigns we like give like, you know, more time basically yeah.
Yeah, I guess we cap people to like, two minutes at a time like make your point quickly.
Yeah. I think the fallback and Robert right now is you have 10 minutes and then you can't speak again until everyone was wanting to speak the first has spoken and then that's the maximum you can
I will never be able to follow that rule.
It's hard to follow, but I like it.
Okay. Not very conducive to hey, let's just have a discussion. Yeah,
no, definitely. Yeah.
All right. I think that's it then this ran over.
I just got home. Nice.
Yeah, so Okay, anything else before we close it off?
If there is, I can't remember. So. Going
once, going twice. Sold. All right. Meeting is ending now. Thank you for whoever sat through. Listen, watch.
