Depression, Detoxification and Mental Health - How Nutrition Creates Psychology

9:08AM Mar 24, 2023

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Hi, Friends hope you're well, we're gonna be taking a dive into my lab results today, my hair tissue and mineral analysis, which has actually proved to be very insightful. If you've been following me for a while, or a longtime listener of this podcast, you'll know that this year 2023 is all about me optimising for longevity and age reversal. And so I've been doing a whole bunch of tests that I'm going to be sharing the insights of on this podcast. So have a listen. And we're going to be talking all about hair tissue mineral testing today. And a really interesting presentation, I had on my own results, showing something known as a calcium shell, which is often in response to emotional stress that's been going on, and also can kind of slow down thyroid function, and metabolism. This is part two of a series I've been doing with Barton Scott to the founder of upgraded formulas, he's created these very cool nano minerals that are small enough to get into your cells without needing to utilise digestion. And so I'm taking those to actually correct my own mineral levels and reduce the mercury toxicity that we found on my hair tissue mineral analysis. So this is the first of a series of podcasts I'm going to be doing, where we kind of dive into my own lab results.

And if you, if this helps you or someone you know that you think it might help them, please share it with them. My intention here is really to spread the message wider that we can become the CEO of our health, and that we can really take charge of it. So if you find these insights helpful, then please share it with someone you think it may help. And if you're not already following this podcast, then please hit the Follow button so that you never miss an episode. This, as I say, is part two with Barton. Part one is episode 198. So if you want to understand a bit better, what hair tissue mineral testing can do, and why it's such a great way of testing for minerals, then go back and listen to episode 198. But without further delay, let me introduce you now to Barton, Scott. So I'm absolutely delighted to have you back on the show. Barton. For those of you listening, this is part two, if you haven't listened already, go back and listen to my first episode with Barton Scott, where we went through hair mineral testing, and why it's so important. And in today's episode, what we're going to be doing is actually diving into my own lab results. So Austin's very kindly offered to look into those, and to share the recommendations. And there's quite a bit in here. But firstly, before we get started button, welcome back. It's so fun to have you here today.

Thank you so much. It's great to be back on with you. And yeah, I'm excited to go over these results with you. And this is this going to be an interesting conversation, because there's a lot of different things that we can work on here for people to see. And obviously, you know, you're you're very just knowing you, you do a lot of things and you're very healthy and very knowledgeable. So if there's things that Angela can do, then there's a lot of things that anyone here listening can do as well. So, yeah, let's jump into it. I'm excited. Yeah, let's

jump in. So I guess what I'll do, because we're always getting new listeners to the show. So some people may not be familiar with my store. And we were talking a little bit back offline before we got started about the kind of things that I've been through over the last few years that I think are showing, interestingly in the presentation, right? Who would, you would have thought, but maybe not everyone listening would think you could get so much information from him or testing. But one of the things First of all, is obviously I went through kind of a health battle some years ago back in 2014, after having had successive bouts of what started as postnatal depression, and then later got diagnosed as major depressive disorder. And things got pretty bad where I had really felt that I sort of created this prison in my own mind. And I was really kind of thinking thoughts of suicide and just stuck in this mental place where I didn't want to leave my husband and kids without a mother and a wife, but I didn't know where and I didn't know how to turn the thoughts off in my head. And it was kind of like the universe was listening because I then ended up hospitalised with double pneumonia and fighting for my life. And on the back of that it sparks a health journey and me Fortunately, I found peace in that moment. And I've since then made it my life's mission to get myself well and inspire other people to do the same. But what's interesting here is that we see some of this overhang I think on my on my mineral testing

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So, with pneumonia, your your immune system was really low, your body wasn't getting nutrients. And certainly one of the main lenses that people miss there, and one of the main lessons that exists, is that,

you know, we know

that it's nutrient depletion, and it's a lack of accepting nutrients from the body that you're taking. So we do talk to people, often that have been

taking high doses of vitamin D, for example, for a long time without magnesium without boron without Ketu, without B six, and what you see is, or they just have a magnesium deficiency from stress, and giving birth and a job and being born with deficiencies, all sorts of things. And the fact that calcium is very readily available. So one thing that we see here that matches up, you know, when we look at your hair analysis is that, you know, really, really high level of calcium and that that's causing interference

with absorbing, you know, through the different cellular functions that need to happen in the body that calcium is actually preventing. And this is, it matches and mirrors. Yeah, the the book I'm writing right now is about how nutrition becomes personality. And

the thing that's really fascinating about this is that it absolutely mirrors what, what you were experiencing what you just talked about, with the ritual, with withdrawing from, you know, things that you didn't absolutely have to do. So you feel more safe and comfortable. And, yeah, so iodine is going to be a big part of that conversation, being the zoom, and just, you know, cutting out sources of calcium and things that cause calcium to be high, like vitamin D. supplementation. So, yeah, at least for for the next while. Yeah. Yeah. And when you when you speak of that, you know, we were talking about this, this calcium shell, can you explain a little bit more? So this is a protective mechanism, is it? Right, right. So the calcium shell pattern, as it's called,

is a high calcium to magnesium ratio. And that's something that you'd only ever see in hair.

And,

or you'd see, you know, 10, or more years earlier in hair than you'd ever see it in blood, if you ever saw it in blood. Because the body just for people that are really, you know, hearing this for the first time, or it's been a while since they heard our first episode, the thing to understand is that blood is you and your best behaviour. So just to touch on that real quick, like, why are we talking about hair, white hair, white hair is the best way to look at minerals in the body period.

With someone that truly understands how to interpret a hair analysis, that's done well. So that that's important to understand, it's very important because the body ultimately pulls from, for example, bone marrow, to put into the blood vessels,

to transport throughout the body. And then we go in, and we test the blood. And we're really surprised when we see everything is quote, unquote, normal. But we shouldn't be surprised because the body is doing its best to, in the short term, solve the problem to keep our organs online, because if our blood pH changes, even a little bit, our organs start going offline. And then death is is quick after that. So

we really need to be testing hair hairs tissue, just like skin is tissue just like organs or tissue. So it's the best representation we have, without doing a biopsy of, of your actual like, you know, heart or

anything like that. So, so that's, that's the why behind this. And there's there's more to it. And Angela, and I cover a lot of that in earlier in the earlier episode. So going back to the shell pattern, the calcium aspect of this. So the calcium shell pattern is

I mean it you know, it's evidenced by a high calcium to magnesium ratio, and what that means that can look like going quote unquote, too hard. So you know, the phrase hard water, right? So too much hard water has a lot of calcium in it as other things between the calcium, it's making the water hard, and it's a buffering mineral and it can shield us from emotions, which can be helpful for a little while. And then at some point it magnesium helps us sensitise ourselves to surroundings. stimulate to action. So magnesium, you know, I've always, I've understood for a long time that we all have some degree of knowing you could call it psychic ability, you could call it, you know, just know who it is when, before someone calls, you know, they're going to call, then they call you know who it is, whatever it is, that gets more and more evidence to actually, as you get healthier and healthier in this balancing, which has been a tremendous surprise for me again and again. And one thing that, that blocks us off the opposite of that is the shielding when we're taking in too much calcium. So that shielding is, I mean, it's really, it's exactly like textbook, what you said, Really, when you described how you're feeling when you had double pneumonia. And I mean, it's just it's it's definitely reversible. And that's the good news. So how do we break that down? Well, we, you know, I'm happy to answer any other questions that you want to go into around this. But how do we break it down? Well, iodine is something that's missing in almost every diet outside of Japan, specifically, because the Yellow Sea vegetables. So Japan, just so you know, compared to the recommended daily allowance, which is a joke, in the US, at least Japan eats about 100 times that every day, 80 to 100 times. And they have the longest longevity. Not only for that reason, but certainly it's they're not harming themselves for it. So you know that you might think, Oh, that's a lot of iodine. How do I get that iodine? That is one of the supplements that I like most it always travels with me because it protects the thyroid from radiation as well. It's does a number of different things in the body. It's antiviral, as well for people concerned about that. You actually put in a petri dish and it stops viral growth, bacterial growth. It's antifungal as well. It's incredible.

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Yeah. I really think that's a, you know, anytime we look at formation in the body that shouldn't be there formations hardening, again, hardening nodules, calcium seems to be a culprit in all of those, potentially in ways that we don't fully understand. But certainly we just know that, hey, you have high calcium, you're most likely there's going to be some downstream effect either. Maybe directly, maybe indirectly. But there's a hardening for example. I one thing I've been able to understand lately is how to basically like I'll do bodywork on someone and massage. And I'll, I can just tell when I say even like, hug someone how hard their shoulder is. That's calcium. I mean, it can be Yeah, it's dehydration often too, but so there should be a pliability to the muscles in the body. And you should, you know, there should be a suppleness. And calcium takes that out. And it it sort of blunts our senses really, right. Magnesium is a sensing element, it inspires that. So calcium is kind of closes us off. So that's something else I would add in this sort of breast tissue conversation as well.

That's very interesting, because over that period, where I've been through kind of quite a lot of stress. And we were saying as well see, this kind of culminated in my father passing away last year, and it's very traumatic, tempting my mum, as well, you weren't my own grief, but my mum go through certain things. And I had a doubt, then I would find I go to my sports massage therapist, and my, my back would be like concrete would be the way I describe it like concrete.

Wow, I've never heard anyone say that. That is true them. Yeah, I went home for the holidays. And when my older sisters, who is yes, having some health challenges, you know, I give her a hug. And I sort of like, one thing I've developed in the last few months that's really strange is talking about, you know, abilities, is I can touch someone even not even have to touch, which has been surprising. But certainly when I touch someone, I find where they're holding the most tension. And often it is in the shoulder. And yeah, like sometimes it's hip, sometimes it's shoulder but there's there's usually this grid pattern that connects a bunch of different things that somehow I understand intuitively without really having the knowledge of the, the muscle structure. But regardless of that, the the more Yeah, the the less the body communicates easily. The you know, when you have concrete there's there's poor communication, right between cells in between the rest of the body. Energy does not flow easily at that point. So yeah, I noticed I was like, hey, and then sure enough, we yeah, we look at her hair test. And she's like, very, very high in calcium. And, and there's a sort of rigidity, there's a protecting, you know, and there's a she wants answers. And I think, you know, as you're listening to this, you're probably going like you even know someone like this, where like they have the best intentions, but and they may even ask questions, and then they get the answer. And they're like, Well, I don't know about that, basically, which is like them being hesitant to resist to try something that has a lot of validity to it. And it's helped a lot of people. So that's kind of where she is. And yeah, I think it's just important to understand that all of this is the interrelationship between emotion and intuition.

It's interesting. I mean, one thing that kind of reassured me, because I've been doing this marking on my longevity very much this year and reversing my biological age. So this is part of a whole load of testing. Yeah,

the most important thing, frankly, you have to get calcium out. Yeah, for sure.

Well, so one of the things that I did was to go for a DEXA scan. And that was interesting, because that gave me a degree of reassurance. I was looking at it from a body composition point of view, but obviously, it's not a full bone density scan, but it gives you an idea. And actually, my bone density looked really robust. So then I was kind of so but that made me think I'm not kind of taking away from the bone. But I know also and I'm curious as to your point of view here, but I also live in the Surry Hills, which is like you know, we have chalk Hills bakery, right. It's known to have really Hard water. It's a very hard water barrier. Yeah. So having an impact, but yeah, just kind of curious is your views on those things? And from a nutritional standpoint? Like, how much should I then you mentioned avoiding calcium for someone else who has I've seen it with other clients of mine has this presentation. Like, I need to stop the Greek yoghurt.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, every thing that you can do in the next 90 days, probably more like 180 days. So we'll retest in, you know, 60 or 90 days. Yeah, I mean, we always say for No, Angela knows this. But as you're listening to this, the general rule of thumb for us is that we offer subscription options for every 60 or 90 days. 60 is more for like the triathlete or someone that yeah, is hyper focused on reversing their age, biologically, which is something that is that can definitely happen. But I've noticed myself too, as well as I can talk about my own hormone numbers going up, like doubling in the last decade, in a good way. And in testosterone, for example, from about 500, to Yeah, 1000. So really, really good from 25 to 35. And these are the building blocks of hormones, and therefore, it makes a huge difference. And so calcium is interfering with a lot of different things in the body. And, you know, Vitamin D is a steroid. You know, we don't think of it that way. But it is, and you know, it, which should be taken with precaution. And, you know, it's like the only advice, at least America got during the past couple years was to take vitamin D. And it's, it's interesting, because when you take vitamin D, these are a couple of tangents. So we'll merge back together, I promise. So when you take vitamin D by itself, and you don't, and you and you have a calcium deficiency, I'm sorry, magnesium deficiency, it causes calcium to raise always. But it can actually hold the calcium channel open in the brain and also cause cell death in the brain. And I just wonder, I'm like, I know. In Britain, they were looking at and maybe did pass, they were talking about it trying to I think they did adding more fluoride to the water, or fluoride to the water for the first time, something like that. And it's like, wow, we've known for that that was a mistake for years and years, it's like literally just doubling the senses, making people quite literally less intelligent and more docile. So anyway, protect yourselves, the water should be filtered. I like reverse osmosis and hydrogen systems that follow aro that's the kind of like top tier after you know, otherwise, just like spring water that is then, you know, put through hydrogen machine, which is a whole different level. But yeah, we have to structure our water and we have to get the junk out of it. Because whether it's birth control that is ending up in your water supply, or, or literally just like hardcore drugs, whether prescription or otherwise, that ends up in the water, and we should be filtering our shower, and every point of views as well as if you own your home whole house filtration, too. It's just kind of a no brainer to strip out a lot of that. Yeah, cuz, yeah, the hard water, like you mentioned is so, so important. So for the next certainly the next 90 days, or until your next test, if it's sooner than that. We want to absolutely take out all calcium from the body, and you'll notice a lot more energy, probably within starting within about 10 days or so maybe even sooner, and then, you know, progressing? And then then you'll go wow, you know, like, oof, like, I feel sort of like a different person in a month. In a good way, just more ease more flow. Yeah.

That's cool. I like that. I have a few questions there. The first one would be, what about like, green vegetables? The increased calcium? Does that mean? I've got to remove a lot of those or is it more? Yeah.

For now, for now, everything was calcium, for sure. It's just the, in this particular case, the calcium level that you that you have is so elevated. I mean, yeah, so that may not be the recommendation for every person. This is why, you know, we're all unique, and each time we take the test, we're unique. So we need different things to support us. But yeah, certainly. I mean, we're looking at, you know, five times is the upper end of the scale? So? Yeah, yeah, a little more than that, actually. So, see, yeah, that's those are some thoughts also for background for people that didn't hear the first one. So why, I suppose why should you listen to me on this? I'm Barton Scott. I'm a biochemist. And I'm also a nutritionist, I studied chemical engineering, and I became a nutritionist, I had been studying nutrition since I was literally like 10 years old. And wrestling and needing to understand more about nutrition, became a real nerd in that area, and devoted biohacker. And then I had memory issues in college, and I was born to older parents, and I, I watched everyone fail, my, my family is really close to us, everyone fail my my mother. And her get more and more ill go from like, very vital to, to not and then gone via aneurysm. So this, this would have been really helpful. What I learned along the way, was that the minerals we were taking, were not absorbing, they were not moving our hair test results. So we're just finding a hair analysis and finding someone that really understood it, which is the second part of that that's very important. Is, is crucial, because a lot of people will just sort of read Oh, you're low in this, take that. And it's not that simple. I wish it was it's not. And then the other part was, I wish the supplements worked. But they didn't, we tried a bunch of different brands. And what I ultimately found was, Well, what I went to school for it just so happened was exactly what was needed to do this, which is taking industrial process and improving it. So you might be thinking a mental shortcut right now. Oh, he's talking about quality, I am not talking about quality, quality should be given what I'm talking about is effectiveness. And so what all of our products do, is they allow you to absorb the minerals at a cellular level without digestion without needing your digestive system to work. So yeah, that is that is the difference. So we create a plasma out of all of our minerals. So they're just like when you get magnesium, for example, from food, or selenium from food or any other mineral like iodine, we're talking about. Your body just absorbs it. And it does does it ask for multiple forms like eight forms of magnesium? No, it doesn't. That's just it's more of a man made construct. And that is only applicable if the particle size is huge. Like it isn't those other products. So that's why we do it and how we do it. And hopefully that gives some context and background. So

these are not my macros basically, aren't they? They're small enough. Yeah. So

what I yeah, this category that that created in 2016, is called stabilised, and no minerals. So really, small nanoparticle technology. Allow for that, that what I said, which is having your minerals not need to be digested by the body, because, well, why is that important? Well, most, most of you listening to this do not have enough stomach acid to break down everything that it is that you eat. And your body struggles with that and you have bloating and all sorts of issues. And you just don't get the proper nutrition from your food. Not to mention the soil is depleted. And we don't get enough anyway. Yeah, our food has roughly half of what it had 80 years ago. So yeah, just in summary, the soils really depleted. The, the minerals you're taking are way too big to be absorbed without digestion. So they have to go through the digestive process, and they're relying on your gut, which is almost certainly if you're like 99% of people out there. You have gut dysfunction, and that's causing low stomach acid that's causing poor absorption issues. Interesting.

One other thing that I wanted to just add into the mix here was I recently did a blood planet panel. And actually my vitamin D looked a little bit low. So the advice there was to increase vitamin D. I've never had that before. Because yeah, I actually my investment is really robust. But it was interesting that you were saying not to take vitamin D I think people listening are interested in that. What can you sort of marry out the bloodwork with there? Sure.

Sure, sure. So the thing there is because your calcium is so high, it takes precedent over this because your vitamin D is only a little bit low. You can go and get vitamin D from the sun, which I know is difficult where you live but finding some other way besides supplement Getting it. And when you do have any vitamin D at all supplementation wise you need to take a magnesium B 6k. Two and boron. So, yeah, that when we can offer all of those except the B six right now. Soon we'll have that more of our blends, which is a cramp supporting blend, which a lot of people, this is interesting, I think, for a lot of people if I polled the audience and said, So, cramps are caused by a deficiency of what I think you probably say potassium, and it's actually making the cesium gaseum can play a small role, but it's magnesium because magnesium lets the muscles relax. So, so yeah, that's just another thought. But yeah, truly, truly getting that balance, right, because that it's like a seesaw. And right now, there's so much for someone in divot due to that, that high level we're talking about.

Can you just explain that for people listening? Barton? You mentioned a few other vitamins, minerals. Yeah, this is this applicable for me or generally, when people because a lot of people are taking vitamin D, you know, we've got so much yes. Okay. Sure. Sure. Do they need to take the six? Do they need to think about magnesium?

Yes. So B six helps the utilisation of magnesium. Boron activates vitamin D. It also reduces sex binding globulin does as synonymous with intelligence. So want that? Ketu I think a lot of people listening to the show are pretty, pretty savvy. And and certainly smart. And understand that, you know, at this point Ketu Is this necessary? cofactor. So, yeah, that's, and that's so yeah, that's for everyone all the time, really, for the rest of your life is that's the protocol. It's what I do every morning, if I'm supplementing vitamin D, which my my main goal is to get it from the sun. And not everyone has the genetics where they absorbed vitamin D from supplements anyway, unfortunately. So there's, you know, I totally acknowledge the difficulty there. And the just millions of times you've heard, like, this is the one time you're hearing. Okay, potentially don't take vitamin D. And I'm saying and you're in Angeles case, definitely don't. And, and I know that go, that's hard to go against all these things.

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which is quite interesting. Yeah, yeah.

When you're not taking magnesium, yeah, magnesium and potassium both influence that so yeah, that's that's important to understand. I mean, the heart is a really special muscle. I suppose it's a lot more than that to but it is easily easy to think about as a muscle which needs potassium to contract. Magnesium to relax.

Yeah, and obviously my potassium was low. When we look at this calcium issue and the calcium shell. I guess the question that comes is, is it the emotionality that's created the situation or is it the calcium that It's contributing to the emotions.

Yeah, it's okay.

I think it's a teardrop where they both need in the middle. Really?

Yeah. Yeah,

it really is like. Now here's, I would say it's primarily nutrition becoming personality. But how you soothe yourself when you have these emotional incidents is with your you go for the Greek yoghurt, which is probably a comfort food for you. And you go for things like that. You see what I mean? So that's interesting. Yeah. So I, yeah, I hope we clip this because I want people to hear that, because that's a great question. I love that question. And the, yeah, so on the nutrition side, how nutrition becomes personality, right? is like, the Hallmark thing that, that I like to focus on. And

when? Yeah,

it's just when you're, when your calcium level is getting up higher and hire, thank you, you really do start to close off emotionally, too. So it's, it's definitely, definitely both.

Yeah, that's very interesting. And I guess, I guess, work? Could there be an element as well? Because I'm such a gogogo. person, right. So I'm always achieving, like, am I sort of subconsciously deliberately slowing myself down? Hmm.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. So it's a hardness thought of as going hard in life. You know, and, you know, pushing through and sort of not feeling emotions and being, you know, stubborn as we can all be, to get to get through things. And I mean, I totally get it too. I see just knowing you, right. You're brilliant. And I mean, you were in law for quite a while, right? Yeah. And that makes so much sense, right, so to speak, really, frankly, masculine and feminine is is also very much. So something that is evidenced in In this test, right. Sync to copper ratios, is a balance of hormones. So, for anyone that's looking to optimise if you're looking to optimise your hormones, this is also really, really important. I mean, Vitamin D is obviously a hormone too. So it's that you've heard plenty at this point about that, and probably like, can you pick another topic, but the this is such an important thing that most people don't understand. And as you're listening to this, you probably also to some extent, like I would say, 70% people have some level of this may not be as severe but maybe more severe, actually. So you know, but there's a hardness there. And when you know, as a woman going into your masculine in a very structured rigid field, like law, I mean, that's the masculine feel like feminine. The way I've come to think of it through a nutrition lens, for sure is creativity, and the element of copper, and copper. Why is that? Copper manages oestrogen. So you have a lot of oestrogen. If you have a lot of copper that's bioavailable in the body, and you have an opposite true. And then with zinc, you have a lot more analytical pneus. And testosterone, testosterone and progesterone are governed by zinc, modulated by zinc. So that ratio is very, very important. And I would say that ratio is responsible for a lot of relationships working or not working, or working for a time, and then that ratio changes and the personality changes. Because hormones become personality, they become a habit become how you show up. And how you see yourself how other people see you. So yes, juicy topic, for sure.

It is it's really interesting. So looking at my zinc to copper, it's not like it's not sort of highlighted as being really off here. What would you say about it? And by the way, we're going to put the results below so anyone listening to this can actually have a really good look at them.

Sure. Yeah, we take a look. So you think to copper, should be great. Oh, nope. That's think to Mercury seizing to copper 11. Yeah, you know, you're pretty normal range there. I wouldn't think that you would have any issue there. I would think if anything, you would be higher. My guess without even looking at this would be that you would skew higher. So you'd be more like progesterone, testosterone I'm gonna, which for a lot of people, which is not uncommon, and nothing's wrong with that, I would say probably the easiest way for particularly women to get real career things done and make progress is having that ratio higher, certainly lower, is lower is ungrounded creativity. And, you know, zinc is just a great mineral organiser. So you want that and you do skew to the higher end the analytical, you know, you're very analytical in a good way. So that's also that makes sense. So, yeah, it makes sense that you're at the higher end of that range. For sure.

It's quite interesting as well, what you say back. So I remember I interviewed Dr. Libby Weaver, and we were discussing, she sort of put something out there around that, you know, do women with PCOS, which I have have, they often been raised by quite a, like, masculine father figure whose expectations are quite high. And that was I was definitely raised in that environment. And then obviously, in corporate law, you are required to just carry on right and sacrifice sleep and do what it takes. And I think there's an element in their conditioning over the years and definitely more pro androgenic on that profiling when we look at hormone testing.

Yeah, environment. Environment affects so much. Yeah, certainly. Expectation the Yeah. So so much. Yeah, I, I would actually have you supplementing zinc, in this case, for now. And copper. So just because you're on the lower end of both of those, so your overall level and ratio is, is good. It's just the ratio is good. And just, you know, both are a little bit low. So nothing too crazy, just, you know, like two doses of a virus, zinc and one dose of our copper a day because you know, copper is also energy. I know, you talked about energy. Copper is needed, just like magnesium and oxygen to make ATP or raw energy in the cell.

Yeah, sure. And what about I'm curious, because they're obviously writing a book around how nutrition becomes personality. It's fascinating. What else do you see in terms of some of these other things we can pick out in terms of these ratios that might be showing up that would interest people or maybe not, maybe might actually look fine, but you want to highlight? Yeah,

sure. Sure. Great question. So something you're fine in. But something that we see is that if someone has high amounts of lead, there'll be angry. So you're fine there? You know, and then, you know, like, we see, there was a study done with her analysis quite a while ago. And what they found was the the rate of people going back to prison was correlated with high lead and high iron numbers. And that's really, that's really something to be concerned about. So yeah, those are those are some something to think about there. So. Yeah. So that I mean, that is truly in that case, for example. And this kind of speaks to your question earlier. If, you know, I can absolutely take someone and over time change their personality by changing their nutrition, like no question, in fact that I mean, so that's not a question that is absolutely true. And politics aside, to whatever extent that we can I we see that there are people in the world that are telling us right now, as we speak, that suddenly like, you know, just a lot of untruths, like the meat is, you know, suddenly there's like a lot of cows dying, there's 1000 chickens died in one fire. Just also, and then simultaneously, this thing that Bill Gates has been working on around this chicken this egg for, since like, 2013, is being pushed went into the market as an option, or they've had they suddenly had some breakthroughs. And I mean, there's just too many things for that to be the example but why, right? Certainly, what we know is, for a fact is that just in general, nutrition becomes personality. And I see that so clearly, probably more clearly in almost anyone because I've seen so many of these tests, and I've got to see how people come up. off of a, a bipolar spectrum, because they have enough salt and potassium in their diet now. So that's another big one, you can guarantee that someone will have the, they will present like a bipolar person or person that would be labelled as such, just by having particularly low sodium. So, you know, we I know a lot of people use it, we actually own the phrase test, don't guess, because we're although we have these, yeah, our own unique manufacturing process for supplements that work really well. I believe so heavily in testing. And having people have consultations with people that understand the tests, because it's about taking the right action, not just using really, really get tools.

That's very interesting what you say that because when I obviously I had three children, but in four and a half years, right, so very close together. I couldn't try to have my first one naturally, it ended up in an emergency situation. So I ended up because I have pelvic disproportion three C sections, three babies that had reflux, it was all kind of intense in those four and a half years.

Three babies that had reflux, three reflux babies. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah.

Sleep. So it was, it was quite an intense period. And obviously, I was going through my own recovery.

Sorry. So can I ask you a question there? When you say reflexes, just wanna make sure I'm on the same page? Do you mean like acid reflux like adults would have or something.

So with infant reflux, they sometimes are silent, and they would know they would get the burning, they would, okay, because they have pain. But sometimes for one of them that was very productive. So,

so what's interesting, I want everyone to hear this, just want to make sure we're on the same page. That is a magnesium deficiency. And the birth issues will most likely be these in deficiency either, because your body has to be able to relax. But reflux, oddly enough, is when that valve does not relax closed. So it's here in the oesophagus, or below, and it needs to relax, closed, and it can't. So it actually stays open. Instead of relaxing. Yeah, it's really that simple. I know that my stuff, and hopefully, it exactly, and you have what the mother has she gives to her child, but she doesn't. But exactly. So hopefully, that's not like, upsetting. But that's the truth. I just want people to really understand that. So

yeah, that's very interesting, because that's something I struggle with. So that the So

yeah, this is this is a key fertility conversation for everyone, both men and women, like right now. Both men and women are seeing just just, you know, for the first time ever really like a real challenge in getting pregnant, particularly on like it's being shown more and more that men are having fertility issues. And this whole approach is certainly a solution to that no question because minerals become the building blocks of your hormones along with fats and amino acids. But surely, like your your hormones will not be right. If your minerals aren't right. They won't be optimal ever. Like it's chemically impossible. So for that reason, for last year, we haven't talked about this, I'll just say briefly, I put out something called upgraded T last week. And T isn't testosterone, which is good for both men and women that need it. I have some really fit women friends in their 30s that have told me since I've put this Yeah, haven't been working on this. Like, oh, I want to try to actually take testosterone cream twice a day on my arm. And they're like 30, and like some of the fittest women I know. Shocked by that, wow, really. And it's just nutrient depletion. And that's, that's the cause of the low hormone thing. It is almost nothing but that because they eat a diet with plenty of fats. And they have plenty of amino acids because they have protein from animals and plant like just just a whole array, they have a really balanced diet. So anyway, just just for what that's worth, that product is, is pretty experiential and pretty special.

This is the new release of there. Yeah.

Yeah. So yeah, it's very exciting. So the last thing I was going to say there, because hormones just come up so much, and it's a big part of this is that true or false? Women have more testosterone than they have oestrogen in their body.

True. True. Yeah. They

have more testosterone. Yes. And it's, I've seen different numbers, but it seems to be at least 10 times seems more testosterone than oestrogen like a healthy woman. And there's a spectrum, it seems like from about 10 times to about nearly 40, like 38 times, which is surprising. So it's just evidence that women need to Sasural as well to feel their best. And that certainly men do as well. Now, the average man, compared to the average woman will have about 10 times more. But they both need it and the first hormone that goes as women age testosterone, and then progesterone later.

Yeah, I knew that Oh, no, but it's great that you've released that if you've got any more products that you're bringing in, in the pipeline. Obviously, you've got book coming, which is exciting. I can't wait to read it.

Yeah. Thank you. I think I missed that thing that you said.

Are there any other products that you have that are kind of coming to market soon? Sure.

Yeah, upgraded mood is going to be out. By the time this airs, if this airs and a couple of weeks, we'll have it out in the next two weeks. So yeah, that's really exciting. I've worked on that product, to get it really perfect for I mean, over a year and a half. So it's, it's something I'm really psyched about. Because what I found was just a lot of studies and research that lithium, which is an element just on the periodic table, and something we test for, and hair is missing from a lot of people's diets. And when it's missing from the water supply, there's a lot of clear research to show that the highest rates of suicide and depression are evidenced by or connected directly with low lithium levels. So this, I mean, this changes things really, really

quickly for people. So it has, sorry,

it has Yeah, it has that it has our magnesium, which again, the form doesn't matter for that, forget everything you've ever learned there. We're doing a clinical trial on upgraded magnesium to prove it's the most effective sleep supplement in the market, which from user data on the aura ring, and whoop. And we already know that's the case. So it's just a matter of proving it. And yeah, and then it will just be Yeah, it's just another another part of the journey after that, but getting those products in people's hands because it quells anxiety. So effectively. My, my last long term relationship was with a girl that I discovered, like, you know, beautiful person inside and out. But she really suffered with anxiety. And when I was developing that product, she actually started taking this is upgraded mood, she was taking it and just like some of the early batches I was working on, and she actually got off of her anxiety medication. Now, this is not, you know, advice or anything, it's just a story I'm sharing but so consult with someone that's nutritionally informed, which probably is not a regular doctor. But consult with someone nutritionally informed for it, and you know, your mileage may vary. But understand that if you're on something like you know, anxiety medications, because your nutrition is off, your your health is off in some way that you can measure and then correct with everything we're talking about today. That's not me giving advice. It's just me telling you what we do. And it's really important to share that. Because we do get people off of sleep medication, and anxiety medication and thyroid medication by using our different products and testing. And that has happened so I can share that. So but yeah, she actually the we ended up breaking up talking about nutrition becoming personality. Because I think because we just ran out, and she had stopped taking it, and she didn't want to take it anymore the medication that is and it was gonna be several more weeks before I had another batch that we're testing of, of upgrade mood. And yeah, it's important, it's important because when you don't feel safe in your own skin like it, it doesn't really matter what other things are going on in your life, like everything else has to be perfect for you to, you know, feel even somewhat comfortable. So, you know, that's just a word of warning for people that just understand that these things absolutely affect your relationships.

And with that, when you talking what was in it, you mentioned lithium, magnesium,

chromium. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Blood sugar.

Yeah. And for grading stuff. I wanted to pick up on what you said earlier, because it was interesting to me when you were talking about the interview. Play, I think was just getting back was with sodium and potassium and bipolar. Because when I was struggling with depression have moved on from post partum depression into major depressive disorder, the concern of me coming off the medication was that I would trip into bipolar because at that point what I was having, what episodes, so I was kind of, and it was quite cool, actually, because from my own perspective, what would happen is, I would have these incredible highs where I would feel like super, I could do anything, right. And my husband initially would be excited, right? Because it felt like I was well. And we learned over time that this always preceded an almighty crash. And I think that was the cool part. Because the bigger the higher, the bigger the low. And so I learned over time to kind of expect these, obviously, I then worked on my nutrition, I retrained in nutritional therapy left law, and that has, as you say, like I'm testament to the fact that nutrition changes these things dramatically. Yeah, but yeah, I think it's helpful for anyone maybe who's listening who struggles with anxiety, or who struggles with bipolar or mood disorders, if you can elaborate a little bit more just what might have been going on?

Yeah. So all right, I feel like personal stories are sometimes the best thing this year. So before she and I were together, there was actually my other long term relationship before that was with was with someone that and I get to see your hair test for the first time, right before we broke up. So I remember this very vividly. Her sodium level was like a 1.3, sodium, potassium, it was so so low, and granite. You know, I've seen that before and people and I just, I remember saying, hey, it's going to be here's what I would say to anyone, it's going to be really hard for you to be. And I remember thinking like, how do how should I say this? But she's like, Yeah, you know, help. And I saw their erratic behaviour in her. So it didn't really surprise me. But I knew the news might be surprising. I remember saying a short version of this. And a few days, yeah. So which was essentially, it's going to be really hard for you to be in relationship with anyone, even including yourself right now. Like, it's going to be hard for you to be good to yourself, it's going to be hard for you to which you know, which you can probably relate to in those low periods, where you're like, nothing, I'm not happy by anything. Like nothing makes me happy. I could, and then you start reaching and thinking for different vices like you more stimulants, more sedative, so more booze, more coffee, you know, whatever it is just to feel something and to feel in control.

For me, it was coupled with a lot of self loathing. Yeah, blame and just, like, complete it, this compassionate with myself. Right? I thought it was like the worst mother, I convinced myself that my kids would be better off without me.

Wow, it was and knowing you like there couldn't be anything further from the truth, but the veil of of how our hormones are, are affecting us based on the nutrients we're not getting, and the the strength or lack thereof, of hormones, the balance of those hormones as a cascade, and the production of those hormones, either as a steady rate or a very much cyclic sort of thing, which is what what I believe happens, right is but the bipolar swings correlate with swings in nutrition. So they have no sodium, and then they don't produce the adrenal hormones. So they have no energy, lethargy, fatigue, everything you just talked about. And yeah, so you need beteasy and potassium, sodium. Wow, this has been a really interesting conversation.

That's been really interesting to me, because there's something I've just like pieced together that you're saying. So when I got to the hospital, if you imagine at this point, I've convinced myself that I have got this prison in my mind, I just want to turn the thoughts off. So I'm thinking suicide all the time. I don't want to do that to my kids. I don't want them to not have a month so I'm kind of trapped. And the crazy thing is, when I then got admitted into hospital, I had nowhere to run, but you can't run away from yourself because you're only with yourself. I'm hooked up to oxygen. And I have a drip and I have this profound sense of peace, almost enlightenment, but now I'm wondering with what you're saying,

the drip, because it wasn't minerals, right? Yes.

They were giving you sodium. Oh my god, they were giving you sodium.

Before that. worse difference, like how does somebody had a moment of callous clarity? And I was like, I'm okay. I'm okay. Like, I've got 500 children. That is crazy bottom. I have Wow. Connected that.

Wow, that's a saline drip. Yeah, yeah. Yep. And whatever else. But yeah.

Because that impact on mental health. Yeah, that nobody had told me you know I was I'd got to the point when they initially so I was on antidepressant medication, it wasn't working, they swapped the antidepressant medication, increase the dose, then I was put on anti psychotic medication, right for bipolar and schizophrenia. They literally they thought, oh, it'd be a tiny dose, it knocked me out. They 5x the dose before I would function. Like it was scary. My husband will tell you I used to have to like literally take my medication and be within bed within 10 minutes, or I would almost just pass up.

That's way too much of a dose. Yeah, of course. Wow.

I had never connected the sodium.

Yeah. Well, that's so interesting. Wow.

Well, after we figured that out, just now.

It's only like, nine years later, but

but the ripple effects of this conversation for people. Hopefully, I don't have to really say this. But if you got value out of this conversation, share it with someone you love.

Because everybody knows someone, even if it's not affecting them that hasn't xiety Or

this has affected everyone or will affect everyone in their life,

I believe. Something like, yeah, yeah,

I mean, I've had really low sodium before. And it was, you know, from being being in wrestling, sweating, six, eight pounds, water weight and a practice or in a day playing football as well sweating, but really wrestling cutting weight, sort of self induced hypothyroidism. I've overcome a lot of things. hypothyroidism. I've always been fit somehow, but really low core body temp, at times. It's funny, as I've, as I've continued to do this work, you know, you just stay on the path, you keep doing the tests, everything days. You keep supplementing with what you need. And that changes every 90 days. Because you're making shifts, you know, you just it's a spiral upward. And yeah, that that may sound like a sales pitch. But I hope that as you're listening to it, you understand like I, I just really believe this, and I've seen it, I've seen it, get a lot of people well, so yeah, I kind of don't care how it sounds. And certainly, you know, we're doing great as a company. So it's really just about education at this point. For me. That's what's most fulfilling. So I really appreciate this conversation.

I appreciate you coming and sharing it. I really do. I'm just thinking before we kind of close towards the end, I think there's one where there's a couple of things I think people were interested in. One is you mentioned metabolism. So for me, I think it looked a bit on the slow side here by everything that's going on. Explain how Hammann or testing can help them understand that and thyroid function as well.

Yeah, sure. So your thyroid function, calcium to potassium is very high, the upper end of the range is 40 goes from two to 40, you're at 63. So then that's just simply due to calcium. So this is again, why you'll have more energy when you cut calcium out of your diet. So enjoy knowing that and reminding yourself of that. Whenever you're thinking of Greek yoghurt, just swipe those two together. And you know, because you mentioned that earlier. So So yeah, really, you know, you don't need calcium right now. So anything that you think is healthy, like greens currently find some other way to get that.

Yeah, broccoli. Yeah,

so much broccoli.

Right? Well, you know, it's gonna be a growth month for you. The thing that people should know too is we're diet agnostic. We're not going to try to sell you on a diet. We're just gonna tell you hey, you got to eat more potassium foods however you want to get it? You know, search foods high in potassium. Eat your favourite ones. Yeah, so so we're not going to we're not dogmatic in any way. We're, we're open there. So you do want to increase your zinc also because of your mercury level. Nutrition to last Yeah, nutrition becoming personality. If your mercury level if someone's mercury level was really high, which yours isn't, but it's up there some you know if it was really high that is a craze or madness. And that can that was probably part of the problem with the low sodium too. So yeah zinc supplementation is your friend there selenium as well. Iron is as well like just eating organ meats and foods high in iron is a good idea. Vitamin C is going to help that absorption, whole food vitamin C, it's great. It's going to help the absorption of iron. And then but at the same time getting rid of like I recommend people give blood every three months almost regardless because anaemia is not really anaemia. What we think of you know, there's also copper anaemia, which you don't really understand if you're doing your hair test, not blood. And the the really challenging thing, hopefully, this is not too much for people to understand, but you can get it if I say it simply which is that if you show low iron in your blood, you're almost certainly high iron in your tissues, which is your body protecting itself from high iron in the blood, which can be very, very damaging to our arterial walls, India thelia function all sorts of things. So I, I know a lot of people are like, Oh, well, you know, if she's menstruating, then it's good chance she is low iron. Not true. You have our iron recycling system in your body, you know, only a couple milligrammes of iron a day to be sufficient. Like right now you're sufficient, but just so you know, compared to your mercury level, iron will help push that out. So will zinc and selenium. So that's why we're looking at that and saying that, so that's probably a lot of sea high iron in their blood. Than they definitely have high iron. And they should be giving blood. Yeah, they should be getting. Yeah, for sure. And most men certainly should be giving. I mean, yeah. As a broad spectrum, men should give blood every you know, almost as often as you can, and you feel good after it. You feel lighter. And less

angry easily. So. Yeah, like we talked about

the person with the mercury. Would you say that mine is at a level it's just over acceptable where I should avoid big fish like tuna?

Oh, yeah, for sure. Ya know, for the next like, you know, year at least. But just in general, like, you know, tuna is just not they just live so long. They collect a lot. So small fish. mackerel, sardines, anchovies. Yeah.

Barium now what do you think's happening? They're

very em may just be actually hair products or makeup on or things like that? Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Getting your phosphorus up through meats and organ meats. It's on the low end there that will help with metabolism as well. Yep. So yeah.

T perspective. I thought I came off quite lightly.

I think so. But as we get healthier, we peel layers of the onion. Okay, so, yeah, so 90 days, because they can be stored deep, deep deep in, in the tissues and their bodies not, you know, yeah. So we'll we'll continue to look at that part. The main part is, what are you presenting now? And what deficiencies do you have now? Not so if it doesn't show a show up? It doesn't mean that you don't have it? Heavy Metal wise. So yep, yep.

So to close then when we talk about nutrition being personality, what can I expect? Like what am I whatever in 90 days are taking the mineral more expect me to seek and from and to

just, you know, you're probably gonna be dead skipping through a meadow with a wreath flower in your hair and just, you know, basket and, you know, some fairies? I would say, holding hands this point. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, maybe maybe not quite there, but, you know, he's still being pretty crowded. Now. You'll, you'll have more energy, more joy, you'll sleep better. You'll have smoother interactions. So for that, actually, I would recommend silica too, because silica is going to help push out aluminium mercury. So as well, which everyone has mercury toxicity to some extent. And, and aluminium. Yeah. So silica is of smoothness. You know, I think that that will also help so it's just something else to think about.

I've noticed my hair actually being a bit thinner.

This will help the hair skin The nails. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll actually have a product there soon, too. It's, it's coming, but not quite here yet. Yep.

Cool. Yeah, it's exciting. And I think we have, we will put a link to every two to the Hammond we're testing to the minerals, you have an amazing course that I took myself to help me understand this apartment all the support. And we have discount codes that we will put below this podcast for people who want to kind of I think everyone should test having done it myself. I genuinely think it's been so insightful. I mean, just the connections we've made together here on this is just phenomenal. I'm really grateful to Barton, for coming back and, and sharing all this.

Thank you so much. Yeah. My pleasure. And I hope this helps a lot of people. And yeah, the course is great for people that are just into what you and I are into, and also people that are helping other people in some way. So you could be, we've had plenty, I've had some of the couple of the top doctors in the world that have gone through the become friends and gone through that course. I mean, this has been the area, you know, after studying chemical engineering, I, I was very confident that I could be one of the top people in the world in this area on this test and understanding the different nuances. And I really make it simple, the courses only a couple hours. And it really, you know, through those modules really helps people understand how they can bring it into their practice and offer more optionality and support for people. And it's really beautiful. And it may be something that the you know, if you're listening, and you're like I'm a biohacker, you may also really like it, and it comes with a a testing consultation, too. So that's a really good price. And it's really meant just, you know, to help people understand their and take real control of their health, put it back in their hands, because the more you feel chained to some someone else, and they're ordering every lab, you know, in this case, you can just order the hair tests on our website at upgrade formulas, and you do that you schedule your own consultation on your time with one of our nutritionist. And then if if you're someone that is a practitioner, or is really savvy and wants to learn over time, yeah, you can, you can be doing it yourself, which is, I think fascinating. And if you need a second opinion, that's where our consultations are for. So yeah, all that's on the site. And I hope that you got a tonne of value out of this, because this has been great work in my life so far. And it is very, very important. And I would say just, you know, to be overlooked at at your own peril, frankly. And also on a good note, it's for every other sort of optimization technique that you're doing your health, every other biohack. If your foundation is strong, if your minerals are in balance, everything else works better, and or you don't need it. One of the one or both.

So yep, I couldn't agree more. And I can't wait to see I'll be sharing with everyone the results that I get over the next few months. I'm super grateful for you to you for coming on and sharing all this. And as Martin says, you know, if it's if it's impacting you today, please share this episode with a friend who may help. Because I think this information is so important. And we definitely need to get this out to a wider audience.

Absolutely. Yes. Such a pleasure. So yes, well, transparency, there's plenty of other things that I do. But this is the foundational thing that gives me the most confidence in my health and the clear path forward and knowing what I need to work on and be aware of what foods I need to eat more of and what supplements send yourself mineral daily basis and what what I'm too high and like we talked about. So all that's very important. Amazing.

Thank you, Barton.

Thank you talk to you soon.

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