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RUNEUAI 06-01
Bernie Goldbach
Night. 
And those are skills. Those are programs with skills, and those are AIS with with capabilities that complement the the AIS that are available. So as I mentioned, with a little bit of a laptop problem that I had with power. I'm not going to be as polished with this presentation tonight as I should be, but that's probably normal for a lot of organizations where you're at the bottom watching the organization's information come filtering down, for the whole organization to be totally transformed. Then from top to bottom and bottom to top, everyone showed the skills that you're picking up and learning here. Now I wrote down concepts that I wanted to cover in a little notebook. So I carry these notebooks around. They give me mindfulness training. So I have a bunch of stuff written down in a book that I said, Look, I'm going to try to accomplish these things. When I wrote them down, I realized I have too many things to cover in two hours, and so I apologize for that, but who knows, maybe we'll get through the overall perspective, and we'll do at least four of the tasks that I've outlined. I reference things that I see online by looking at the things that are important to another system. So I share sheet save things through a service called fabric, and another one called Insta paper, and then I cross reference those things to the slide deck you have into some materials that we're covering. And then I'm trying to use the AI built into PowerPoint to keep the consistency of layouts and the way stuff looks. So the only AI are actually used in this program is the stuff you're going to use tonight, in terms of what if what you're 
looking at, it's all original information that's been kind of quality controlled over the last few months. So I sourced these kind of things with fabric, and I know you'll probably see some of these concepts in the next few weeks with me. And then I looked, I looked at just a few half an hour ago, at what's happening with people talking in different programs, different URLs, about what's happening with AI. You probably hear these things as well. The big thing that's happening in my world concerns child safety laws and AI in California, which is a big deal, the governor signed a law and saying, Look, companies are responsible for how the AI chat bots work with kids, and he's making it a child safety issue. So today's session, just want to make sure that I am definitely recording here. I'm pretty sure I am. Yeah, when you folks came in, did it say it was recording? It should have Yes,
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And those are skills. Those are programs with skills, and those are AIS with with capabilities that complement the the AIS that are available. So as I mentioned, with a little bit of a laptop problem that I had with power. I'm not going to be as polished with this presentation tonight as I should be, but that's probably normal for a lot of organizations where you're at the bottom watching the organization's information come filtering down, for the whole organization to be totally transformed. Then from top to bottom and bottom to top, everyone showed the skills that you're picking up and learning here. Now I wrote down concepts that I wanted to cover in a little notebook. So I carry these notebooks around. They give me mindfulness training. So I have a bunch of stuff written down in a book that I said, Look, I'm going to try to accomplish these things. When I wrote them down, I realized I have too many things to cover in two hours, and so I apologize for that, but who knows, maybe we'll get through the overall perspective, and we'll do at least four of the tasks that I've outlined. I reference things that I see online by looking at the things that are important to another system. So I share sheet save things through a service called fabric, and another one called Insta paper, and then I cross reference those things to the slide deck you have into some materials that we're covering. And then I'm trying to use the AI built into PowerPoint to keep the consistency of layouts and the way stuff looks. So the only AI are actually used in this program is the stuff you're going to use tonight, in terms of what if what you're +2
looking at, it's all original information that's been kind of quality controlled over the last few months. So I sourced these kind of things with fabric, and I know you'll probably see some of these concepts in the next few weeks with me. And then I looked, I looked at just a few half an hour ago, at what's happening with people talking in different programs, different URLs, about what's happening with AI. You probably hear these things as well. The big thing that's happening in my world concerns child safety laws and AI in California, which is a big deal, the governor signed a law and saying, Look, companies are responsible for how the AI chat bots work with kids, and he's making it a child safety issue. So today's session, just want to make sure that I am definitely recording here. I'm pretty sure I am. Yeah, when you folks came in, did it say it was recording? It should have Yes, hiramb
it did. Okay,
Bernie Goldbach
Hiram, I may need to make I think I will do this. I will stop sharing here so I could see my control screen. I need to to see if I can make you, let you,
hiramb
help you with the room, trying
Bernie Goldbach
to figure if I can do that with
hiramb
you. Managed to do this last week? Yeah,
Bernie Goldbach
yeah. I just had to find the right my screen size is different, so you're co host now, Hiram. So there'll be a few other people, specifically Filipe, will definitely join us, who will want to come into the room. And I want to make sure that folks can get in without me having to stop and do it.
hiramb
No worries, I'll keep an eye on them. Thank
Bernie Goldbach
you. The big thing here this here's what I want to try to get done today. And I'm borrowing motivation, I think, from Sara, who said it's good to be able to look at stuff through more than one lens, more than one AIS, but I'm hoping David and Vanessa can share a bit of the workflow that they do with two different tools. I'll give you some Bernie thoughts about ChatGPT Five and how I'm trying to corral it or make it work better. We use Copilot to summarize previous sessions that I've covered, and I'm trying to figure out a way to make sure that with the simple tool of copilot, potentially, while you're using the Edge browser with the copilot logo, or while you're using copilot.microsoft.com that you're able to actually see some of the material that's that we've used before. Some people had problems using Gemini or getting into the Google Drive. So Copilot to summarize past sessions. On the back of the past session summary, I want you to use the service called Claude and ask Claude to make bullet statements from the summary that you get back. And you're going to have to it's down 
to you saying to the copilot how you want to summarize past sessions. And it's down to you with Claude to figure out what kind of bullet statements do you want, how many and what format I'll have you look at a video you think you've seen with me before and just analyze the sentiment of it. That is to say, simply asking Gemini, hey, what kind of sentiment is expressed in this video, we'll end up at about half past 20 past seven for a break. If you have not made an avatar selfie with text, then please do that during the break, because when we come back, I want you to make the image move using Firefly. That's an Adobe package. Finally, something which normally takes longer than 20 seconds, you'll produce in 20 you'll tell in video, in something that normally takes five to 10 minutes, how to make a quick video of an element of your workflow. I'll give you a sample of how it works with with what I do, with a sample statement that I gave them. Okay? So I wanted to ask you see these campfire sessions or programs that people may use and workflows that they may use. So one of the ask David, and I'll kind of stop sharing here. David, would you be in a position to say, napkin service? Here's what I do. Here's how I use it. And now I realized where I'm in a building. Maria, if you can hear it, the alarms gone off, so I've got to walk to the front to shut the alarm off. So David, are you able to talk?
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to you saying to the copilot how you want to summarize past sessions. And it's down to you with Claude to figure out what kind of bullet statements do you want, how many and what format I'll have you look at a video you think you've seen with me before and just analyze the sentiment of it. That is to say, simply asking Gemini, hey, what kind of sentiment is expressed in this video, we'll end up at about half past 20 past seven for a break. If you have not made an avatar selfie with text, then please do that during the break, because when we come back, I want you to make the image move using Firefly. That's an Adobe package. Finally, something which normally takes longer than 20 seconds, you'll produce in 20 you'll tell in video, in something that normally takes five to 10 minutes, how to make a quick video of an element of your workflow. I'll give you a sample of how it works with with what I do, with a sample statement that I gave them. Okay? So I wanted to ask you see these campfire sessions or programs that people may use and workflows that they may use. So one of the ask David, and I'll kind of stop sharing here. David, would you be in a position to say, napkin service? Here's what I do. Here's how I use it. And now I realized where I'm in a building. Maria, if you can hear it, the alarms gone off, so I've got to walk to the front to shut the alarm off. So David, are you able to talk? davidlukas
Because, yeah, I'm able to talk. Yeah.
Bernie Goldbach
Can I mention a little bit about napkin if you have anything at all to show on a screen, share that'd be helpful. I'll be back in two or three minutes. I gotta shut this
Eleanor Moloney
Okay, so
davidlukas
I will share my screen.
Almudena
Hello. Good evening. I
davidlukas
Okay, 
so can you see my screen? Yes, we do, okay, that's great. Okay, so usually when I use napkin, I give it some input, but I use it for creating images or graphics to show some content. So here I told ChatGPT to give me an overview of different AI tools and for what they can be used, and then I can create different images here for presentations or for sheets, and that's how I use napkin most of the time.
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so can you see my screen? Yes, we do, okay, that's great. Okay, so usually when I use napkin, I give it some input, but I use it for creating images or graphics to show some content. So here I told ChatGPT to give me an overview of different AI tools and for what they can be used, and then I can create different images here for presentations or for sheets, and that's how I use napkin most of the time. Bernie Goldbach
David, I was away while you were explaining that what is the primary reason that you have to produce visuals
davidlukas
most of the time for presentations.
Bernie Goldbach
In what is it a course, or is a business? What is it?
Eleanor Moloney
This one?
Bernie Goldbach
Yeah, no, no. Letizia, don't know in terms of your background or you, is it an academic requirement, or
davidlukas
I use it at work and for my studies?
Bernie Goldbach
Okay? And what kind of work
davidlukas
I work a lot of we a lot with apprentices, okay, so when I show them different technologies, I use it
Bernie Goldbach
very good. Yeah. How did you discover the tool?
davidlukas
I googled tools to create
Bernie Goldbach
very good yeah,
davidlukas
it was free. So
Bernie Goldbach
now, in terms of what we're going to do later on, it's, it's something that I hope you're able to take and use in something that's later on in today's session. So specifically, I want to I want people to ask an AI quote in video to make a 22nd video of an element of their workflow. So you have to tell it words. In your case, it might be something like, you know, I Well training apprentices. I want to make video. I want to make schematics using napkin to produce clear visual information. That could be the text prompt that you use at the end. David, okay, so Hiram is asked about this, Filipe, and are interested this as well, about what practical things do people have to do? And what we're hoping is by the time we're in Portugal, and before that, hopefully you'll see the images or the videos of what you're doing, creating practical workflows with AI. So Vanessa will explain, in terms of the quince matrix, where she may be grabbing the information from, and then why we want to do it. So I'm saying, David, if you can reduce to a series to no more than maybe two sentences, the workflow that napkin is helping you reach, or the practical result that it's helping you achieve, that's the ideal prompt for what you're gonna be putting into the NVIDIA AI at the end of our session today. So you based you have it, but I'm saying Don't overthink it, and certainly don't make it long, because you'll be constraining the AI as it's making its video not to go more than 20 seconds, and it'll still cheat. I'll give you a 32nd video, but 15 to 20 seconds, you should be to say, Hey, this is how I'm using AI in a practical way to help my workflow. So that's good. Does anyone want to ask David any question about napkin? I think we've used it before, so wouldn't be new, okay, Vanessa, could you? Could you just give us a little blurb on on the Kunst matrix, and I don't think you've done anything with it since we last spoke, but like, you know workflow with it.
Vanessa Okoli
You 
guys see my screen, yeah. So this is the Kunz matrix. So we have an online exhibition, so I take all the pictures that you guys submit in the avatar selfies, and I upload it to the exhibition here, so I'll just enter this Is it. I haven't added anything new, but, yeah,
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guys see my screen, yeah. So this is the Kunz matrix. So we have an online exhibition, so I take all the pictures that you guys submit in the avatar selfies, and I upload it to the exhibition here, so I'll just enter this Is it. I haven't added anything new, but, yeah, Vanessa Okoli
you can add a description as well.
Vanessa Okoli
Yeah, very good.
Bernie Goldbach
What's been the most interesting thing about that visual representation of the information for you?
Vanessa Okoli
Vanessa, I like how you can move around. It's like you're almost in the place itself. I don't know. I think that's kind of right, yeah, close. You can go back. Yeah?
Bernie Goldbach
Okay, 
good. Anyone want to, we will be bothering you. If you haven't, if your image isn't up on that wall, Vanessa and I will be asking you, and I'll be sending emails saying, Please help us out and provide us your avatar selfie so important. So anyone have any questions about what, what Vanessa just showed you, because I know we need to, in the description of the zoom. Vanessa, you and I need to put the URL of it. I think it's now public. I think I made it so that, or is it the 20th that I made it public? We need to, we need to put it in anyway, and it'll, it'll end up being available for people to see when it goes public. So anyway, Okay, gonna give you a few things here. As I mentioned, some of these, some of the stuff that I have. Oh, Eleanor, go ahead. You raised your hand. I'm
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good. Anyone want to, we will be bothering you. If you haven't, if your image isn't up on that wall, Vanessa and I will be asking you, and I'll be sending emails saying, Please help us out and provide us your avatar selfie so important. So anyone have any questions about what, what Vanessa just showed you, because I know we need to, in the description of the zoom. Vanessa, you and I need to put the URL of it. I think it's now public. I think I made it so that, or is it the 20th that I made it public? We need to, we need to put it in anyway, and it'll, it'll end up being available for people to see when it goes public. So anyway, Okay, gonna give you a few things here. As I mentioned, some of these, some of the stuff that I have. Oh, Eleanor, go ahead. You raised your hand. I'm Eleanor Moloney
just wondering exactly, yeah, sorry, did that? Um, is that link in the Zoom link or the invitation? Is that what you're saying? Bernie, you mean the to get into that gap?
Bernie Goldbach
No, okay, to get into it. We have one curator, and it's Vanessa. So to see it, I we set a start date to see it, and quite frankly, we have enough in it now to make it so everybody can see it. And I'm with Vanessa tomorrow, so I think we'll just toggle it. We'll go back into the master settings and make it happen. I can't remember it might have been like towards the end of the month of October, because I wanted to have a video or two in there. And tonight, if we have a couple of videos, will be fine. And I wanted to make sure that Vanessa was able to do videos with it, because that does take some extra chopping and changes if it's too big. So anyway, yeah, we need to, yeah. Stuck with that. We're in the room here, Maria, the lights are turning on and off. Dance. Your question, I hope Eleanor, since it's it, since it is worth, worth sharing, I believe that Vanessa, I will make it public tomorrow, so it'll show up as an email to you, saying, Here's where it is. And then I believe what we'll 
do, we'll also put it in the link, in the zoom in the Vimeo clip description of this session. So email, plus a Vimeo so yeah and see Yeah. So I'm going to roll forward here and show you some tips that I think are worth considering. Filipe, you and Hiram may have thoughts about this as well, and if you're paying for your own GPT, your own open AI, maybe, maybe perhaps you can amend or add to this. Okay, what I knew was happening when ChatGPT Five came on the market is as some of the ways that open AI used to behave, it wasn't doing it the way I expected. So what was happening is open. AI decided that I didn't need to think as long as what I was having it think with ChatGPT for omnny Now, using the option called Legacy models, I can toggle that down and say I want my for omniabach, thank you very much. Or I can toggle it down to this thing called thinking, and that's oftentimes gives me the kind of answers that I want, but this is the other thing that I do. I make it think deeper than you would believe is possible by telling it a word count to hit, so sometimes it'll spawn out three or four paragraph answer, and we say, no, no, I want the answers to be under, under words, or I want the answer to be exactly five sentences, or give me 800 words, but offer an executive summary first and then a bullet series of bullet statements after your detailed response. My point is this, all the bullet statements you see in front of you on the screen are what I would tell it. I would ask it to prompt, you know, explain how I can automate my morning workflow and improve my dashboard by looking at email calendars and to do lists full stop. Keep your answer below 100 words, but answer exactly in five sentences and offer me clear details about how to get this started, how to get my better dashboard started. So that's those are the ways that I would prompt ChatGPT Five to give me a better answer. Otherwise, if I simply said, Okay, what I want is a morning dashboard. And in the morning dashboard, I want to see my mail, summarize, to do list and my calendar. De conflicted. It'll it may provide for me an answer which tells me a service I could use, or an app that I should use, and in the order in which the apps I should use. So it's down to the quality of the prompt and how you want to ask it. In my experience, what I just outlined here works for me. It may work for you as well. So ChatGPT, I also do this. If I have something that I need to sell to someone who sells cars, I will tell ChatGPT, you are the manager of a car dealership that sells new and recently
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do, we'll also put it in the link, in the zoom in the Vimeo clip description of this session. So email, plus a Vimeo so yeah and see Yeah. So I'm going to roll forward here and show you some tips that I think are worth considering. Filipe, you and Hiram may have thoughts about this as well, and if you're paying for your own GPT, your own open AI, maybe, maybe perhaps you can amend or add to this. Okay, what I knew was happening when ChatGPT Five came on the market is as some of the ways that open AI used to behave, it wasn't doing it the way I expected. So what was happening is open. AI decided that I didn't need to think as long as what I was having it think with ChatGPT for omnny Now, using the option called Legacy models, I can toggle that down and say I want my for omniabach, thank you very much. Or I can toggle it down to this thing called thinking, and that's oftentimes gives me the kind of answers that I want, but this is the other thing that I do. I make it think deeper than you would believe is possible by telling it a word count to hit, so sometimes it'll spawn out three or four paragraph answer, and we say, no, no, I want the answers to be under, under words, or I want the answer to be exactly five sentences, or give me 800 words, but offer an executive summary first and then a bullet series of bullet statements after your detailed response. My point is this, all the bullet statements you see in front of you on the screen are what I would tell it. I would ask it to prompt, you know, explain how I can automate my morning workflow and improve my dashboard by looking at email calendars and to do lists full stop. Keep your answer below 100 words, but answer exactly in five sentences and offer me clear details about how to get this started, how to get my better dashboard started. So that's those are the ways that I would prompt ChatGPT Five to give me a better answer. Otherwise, if I simply said, Okay, what I want is a morning dashboard. And in the morning dashboard, I want to see my mail, summarize, to do list and my calendar. De conflicted. It'll it may provide for me an answer which tells me a service I could use, or an app that I should use, and in the order in which the apps I should use. So it's down to the quality of the prompt and how you want to ask it. In my experience, what I just outlined here works for me. It may work for you as well. So ChatGPT, I also do this. If I have something that I need to sell to someone who sells cars, I will tell ChatGPT, you are the manager of a car dealership that sells new and recently Bernie Goldbach
used cars, cars that are between zero months and 25 months old. So I'm the manager of that. And then I also say you should avoid using phrases that come right off the main manufacturer's website. I would then say the pattern that I want you to use are a series of statements that have worked for the following six demographics, farmers, teachers, hairstylists. And I will go on and on and on. And I'd say here are two pieces of information I'm attaching that tell you successful types of text plugs that worked before. So this is a lot of thought, but if your goal is to get the AI to tell you exactly what you need, and you know exactly the audience that you're going to use the information in, then be real specific. Say, today I want you to be a market analyst working for Accenture, concerned about sustainable, ethical use of AI. I want you to be working for a multinational corporation that's headquartered in America, aware of the fact that American law and European law may be different. Handling AI. Now I want you to explore the leading positions that both presidential candidates and the Irish election have and tell me which one would be most favorable to my company's interests. I'm attaching the last corporate earning statement of my company as part of the file that you need to analyze to give me an answer that's real specific, highly qualified answer you should be getting back. You've given a context by offering it either a URL to look at, to say this is more about what I want, or you've attached a spreadsheet, or you're attached to PDF, or you put some kind of other data in an attachment that makes the aI think about what you want. That's called the context. It's also giving it the main specificity. You're telling it, this is my job. This is a specific part of my job. This is a specific entity called Ireland and the election that I want you to look at. So this is more than just simply asking the AI for an answer. You're trying to get the best answer, then you need to qualify help the AI qualify the answer. All these things work for me currently. I mean, your mileage may vary, and maybe your patients would vary too, because very few people have a PDF to pop up to the AI to look at and then I do this. So no, Maria, this definitely for you. Maria, it's definitely for you. Eleanor as well. You know, submitting to an AI, a request to get stuff back that helps you fill in a research grant or some kind of a pitch. So if you knew previously, previous good results that you have generated, or that an AI is generated, you say, look, here's what I need you to do, fill in this application when it comes to the audience that we're serving. Oh, and by the way, I'm attaching What an excellent result looked like in the last successful funding application or research application I had. And so it comes back, and then I said, Okay, that's good. I want you to score your answer against that definition. So I told it what the perfect answer is. It then tries to get come back to me with words or with a recommendation to fulfill the prompt. I give it it so it knows what perfect is, and then it gives me an answer. Okay, that's great. Now on a scale of one to five, how good is your answer and why? So that's to think back to what you just told it. That's important, because if you work with a free version of AI, it's sometimes going to give you a short shrift, and, you know, not always give you deep thought. You're telling I look, I told you what a perfect answer is, you know that, and now you've given me a perfect answer. But I'm telling you, I want to know on a scale of one to five, how perfect is it? It'll come back and say, well, boss, it's a 3.5 Do you want me to do more work? Yes, please. I'll come back with more work, whatever that is. Quite frankly, you know, I get fours out of five, 4.5 I got five out of fives back from the AI and says, I've got this is it. This is the best answer you're going to get based on the context that you've told me. Is perfect. No, this is it. So don't be bugging me anymore, and that's good to know. Take a longer coffee break, because you got the best answer. All these little ways are probably the kind of tools or hooks or prods that you would use with somebody, if you're working with a real person to get a real answer to improve something. I mean, I've been with people that have painted a room, and they said, No, isn't great? Do we do a great job? And I walked into some painters like he said, You happy with the work? Oh, yeah, we did a great job. It says, Did you, did you get the corners perfectly? Did you how much, how much extra work? How extra work did it take to get the corners? Oh, we're up there right for the ladder, and we've the drop cloth, everything else, okay, did you use a smaller brush when you're up in the corner to get the perfect corner? And sometimes people get irritated when you ask that, but that's the kind of thing if you're paying for a premium job. You want to make sure it's done right. So you ask the follow on questions. Oh, ask the AI, you know, bug the AI about it, because AI is not going to shout back at you. It's going to try to placate you and 
make you feel like it's done a perfect job. So those are ChatGPT Five things. These are some samples I've said, you know, draft your own self score against the criteria. Show me only the final version. Hide what you've done in the mid, in the drafts, in the middle. So these are ways of scoring an AI's results. That's ChatGPT Five advice that I've given myself based on having been upset with four. Oh, going away. Okay. Okay, we have had several sessions that I have stored as PDF files and PowerPoint decks. They're inside of the Google Drive. Some of you have said it's hard getting in there to see it. I think most people can. And then last week, some people said I couldn't use Gemini to do it, even though I had access to the account. And so I was thinking, right? I'll need to move them across to where it's in a Microsoft account, so where you can use copilot. I've run into a snag with that, because I thought I could do it jst with One Drive. Can't. So I'm gonna have to have to use it in a proper SharePoint Server, and I need to reconfigure one because I've I've lost the test one that I had. So we'll figure that out. In the meantime, I still want to do this task in which you one can look at stuff that's happened in session 1234, and five previous sessions, and then ask copilot what was covered. So let me, I can show you what I mean by that. But first I need to grab the URL and then walk in be able to add it to the Zoom chat so you can see it. So grabbing the URL behind the scenes, you probably can't see me doing that and I'm running into a slight problem.
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make you feel like it's done a perfect job. So those are ChatGPT Five things. These are some samples I've said, you know, draft your own self score against the criteria. Show me only the final version. Hide what you've done in the mid, in the drafts, in the middle. So these are ways of scoring an AI's results. That's ChatGPT Five advice that I've given myself based on having been upset with four. Oh, going away. Okay. Okay, we have had several sessions that I have stored as PDF files and PowerPoint decks. They're inside of the Google Drive. Some of you have said it's hard getting in there to see it. I think most people can. And then last week, some people said I couldn't use Gemini to do it, even though I had access to the account. And so I was thinking, right? I'll need to move them across to where it's in a Microsoft account, so where you can use copilot. I've run into a snag with that, because I thought I could do it jst with One Drive. Can't. So I'm gonna have to have to use it in a proper SharePoint Server, and I need to reconfigure one because I've I've lost the test one that I had. So we'll figure that out. In the meantime, I still want to do this task in which you one can look at stuff that's happened in session 1234, and five previous sessions, and then ask copilot what was covered. So let me, I can show you what I mean by that. But first I need to grab the URL and then walk in be able to add it to the Zoom chat so you can see it. So grabbing the URL behind the scenes, you probably can't see me doing that and I'm running into a slight problem. Vanessa Okoli
We'll let it spin up.
Bernie Goldbach
The page is not responding. Okay, go back to my zoom, because I can walk you through this in another way. I'm
Bernie Goldbach
okay, 
I'll show you the slide deck, and I'll show you the sample, and then what I'll do is I'll catch up with the page. It's not quite rolling correctly. Goal is be able to ask copilot about past session. Now you need to know where they are, so what I've done is I put them up into a place that in about a week's time, you'll be able to Google for the word summaries of running you AI learning materials. So there are five of them, five links. They're in one page, and you notice the page doesn't actually explain what's in each of the so I went to the Edge browser, I went to the URL, I grabbed the URL, put it in my edge browser, and then ran copilot, and then I asked to examine the hyperlink content on this page and summarize the essence of running U AI, you can use whatever prompt that you want came back with something and it came back with something else. So what I need to do is grab that that particular page, pop it into the Zoom chat, so you can see where this is. So I have a micro blog. It's called topgold dot micro dot blog, and in it there's an archive, and in the archive, it has a date, 23rd of September. And what I'm going to do here in the Zoom chat, just put the URL in. So what you see is a URL which is also the same page as this. Okay. Now you know, but it's inside my edge browser, rather my my Google browser. So what I'm going to do is, I want to do this inside of
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I'll show you the slide deck, and I'll show you the sample, and then what I'll do is I'll catch up with the page. It's not quite rolling correctly. Goal is be able to ask copilot about past session. Now you need to know where they are, so what I've done is I put them up into a place that in about a week's time, you'll be able to Google for the word summaries of running you AI learning materials. So there are five of them, five links. They're in one page, and you notice the page doesn't actually explain what's in each of the so I went to the Edge browser, I went to the URL, I grabbed the URL, put it in my edge browser, and then ran copilot, and then I asked to examine the hyperlink content on this page and summarize the essence of running U AI, you can use whatever prompt that you want came back with something and it came back with something else. So what I need to do is grab that that particular page, pop it into the Zoom chat, so you can see where this is. So I have a micro blog. It's called topgold dot micro dot blog, and in it there's an archive, and in the archive, it has a date, 23rd of September. And what I'm going to do here in the Zoom chat, just put the URL in. So what you see is a URL which is also the same page as this. Okay. Now you know, but it's inside my edge browser, rather my my Google browser. So what I'm going to do is, I want to do this inside of davidlukas
the copilot. Yeah.
Bernie Goldbach
Now I don't know whether it's showing up. Whether you see edge on on the shared screen. You see me in Edge or Filipe. Can you tell me,
Filipe
I think you have a the screen that you're sharing? Seems like a Chrome browser, not.
Bernie Goldbach
I gotta go back and I gotta go back and do it. Do it again. Yeah, that's why I'll do this here now. Now it should be in edge with the co pilot logo in the top right. And the goal is this. This is a practical case you'd have thinking, Okay, I'm trying to figure out all the variety of things I might want to do for the installation that I want to have concerning north, south and east, west, insulation, solar panels. And this could be a website that says, here's one installation, a second, 1/3, 1/4, one. In 
this particular case, what you're looking at is a web page which says five previous lessons have happened with regard to run EU learning. They're just simply summarized by hyperlink and maybe a title I'm going to invoke my co pilot. And I could simply be stupid and to say, Chris, I mean, this this page, summarize it. So it's saying, it's saying, okay, look, here's what it's here's the page summary. Okay, so I could ask it for more. I could say, briefly, explain to me the most commonly used AI in this training program. See now, theoretically, it should open up every one of those PDFs and look at that maybe not. Depends upon how good it is. It's up to you which kind of a prompt you use, but I want you to be able to do this. So it's finding stuff like this is weird. This. This is different, because now what's happening here is it's finding stuff that's not in running UI. I never mentioned seven taps, I never mentioned flow sparks. So now it's taking liberties. See it's going out here. So I'm going to change this around. I'm going to
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this particular case, what you're looking at is a web page which says five previous lessons have happened with regard to run EU learning. They're just simply summarized by hyperlink and maybe a title I'm going to invoke my co pilot. And I could simply be stupid and to say, Chris, I mean, this this page, summarize it. So it's saying, it's saying, okay, look, here's what it's here's the page summary. Okay, so I could ask it for more. I could say, briefly, explain to me the most commonly used AI in this training program. See now, theoretically, it should open up every one of those PDFs and look at that maybe not. Depends upon how good it is. It's up to you which kind of a prompt you use, but I want you to be able to do this. So it's finding stuff like this is weird. This. This is different, because now what's happening here is it's finding stuff that's not in running UI. I never mentioned seven taps, I never mentioned flow sparks. So now it's taking liberties. See it's going out here. So I'm going to change this around. I'm going to 
Bernie Goldbach
I'm going to say only in this program, do not look
Bernie Goldbach
so now I'll try to tell it, behave yourself. All right. Now this is better good saying copilot explicitly mentioned no other AI tools are mentioned on the page. This is interesting, because, you know, if it's gone into these under this thing called tools, theoretically would have found it. But okay, that's what it knows. So what I want to do is what, what I want you to try to do is using either copilot.microsoft.com in any browser, or using the Edge browser and the Microsoft copilot logo at the top query that page. Because let's pretend this is the first time you're on this, this training program, and you want to figure out what the world are they covered. Well, ask that question, but I'd like you to ask it a question. Ask copilot only the question if it misbehaves and starts showing you stuff at the bottom where it went outside the page. Tell No, no, I only want to look at this course, this training program, see what it comes up with. And this is going to show you the limitations of copilot. And you could download all of those PDFs and attach them to your copilot prompt and saying, using just these documents I've attached, what are they talking about? What's the main learning objective? What's the primary tool that's being taught? And do it that way, or learn we're learning the limitations of the copilot summarize this page, and we're learning the limitations of how deep the tool can go into the particular challenge that we're facing, and that's that's what you're learning. So there are better tools for this kind of deep dive, and it's always dangerous to use only one tool to get an answer to, what do they teach over there? What are they actually selling? Who's there? Always dangerous. Just use one quick look two or three times if you're going to spend time, spend money, or direct your company, your school or your group, to a to a thing, don't mind put something into the chat of the prompt you use, and then anything, any surprise that came up that'd be handy, because most of you have been on each one of each of the calls, but, like, I mean, Maria, if you knew exactly which, like, I don't know if you were here for the number four assessments that you know you could ask, what do they Cover? What's he covered in assessments? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hiram, sounds like you're a critical consumer. Did it give you? Did it give you an answer to that?
hiramb
I'm trying to read it like you read it, read it to see if it it comes up with weird stuff.
Bernie Goldbach
All right, weird stuff, meaning things that weren't mentioned, actually, and it's just yeah,
hiramb
I can, I can quickly show it what I'm seeing.
Vanessa Okoli
Let me this one
hiramb
so you can probably sure it's Can I see only
Bernie Goldbach
the very bottom that should do a Share Screen option?
hiramb
Yeah, that's not the issue. I wanted. I wanted to zoom. I wanted to zoom. The answer of copilot, yeah, but apparently it only, it only assumes the page itself and not not what is written by,
Bernie Goldbach
yeah, I'm Sara. You could, if you go to copilot.microsoft.com, in any browser, you might be able to get the same capability if you wanted to do that.
hiramb
So it says, digital tools used in run AI learning framework Isobel includes platforms like micro blog, Microsoft copilot and other AI or productivity tools may also touch tools for micro publishing, workflow creation, bottom line learning content Creating practical workflows your story, which relates to the short story of the storytelling tools, as mentioned before, assessments and campfire effective prompts, likely refers to collaboration, learning environments, campfire and how to craft prompts to elicit meaningful responses. It's kind of inventing something that reflects campfires and effective prompts.
Bernie Goldbach
Okay, yeah, we need it that's actually prompting me now to make sure that I actually cover that. You know,
hiramb
overall, the overall team seems to be about enhancing learning through digital tools, storytelling and AI assistant workflows with a strong emphasis on reflection, creativity and effective communication, sounds about right?
Bernie Goldbach
Yeah, sounds like a course I'll take Yeah. We need that. Yeah. Okay, all right. Now what I want to do here trying to catch up with a series of things. I'm trying to load in on my computer. Since it crashed, I lost a lot of content, so
hiramb
let me see if I can get it i
hiramb
i can get it to display.
Bernie Goldbach
All 
right, okay, the next thing that I want to do with you is, since you saw the result, I want you to see. Can you take the result you got use another AI called claude.ai, to convert what you have found into bullets, so copilot, okay, I could have grabbed these things, you know, it does those things I'm going to tell Claude, examine the learning materials at the same URL that's in the chat, produce a concise summary of the main points and bullet statement so it examined it. And as you I want you to do this so you can see it thinking. It fetches stuff. It fetches stuff again, and you can kind of see, is it fetching all the docs, and then it's telling me something on the results that it has. So to get in there, to get started, you may have to set up an account for free with Claude. You need to ask it to produce Bollaert statement summaries of the hyperlinked content that's referenced in that URL a topcold up micro dot blog. The key learning here is that you'll see Claude actually talking back to you, but telling you what it's doing. If you don't tell it to fetch the hyperlink content, it may only provide you bullet statements of the overview of what it is you're inside of topgold microliplog. So try to figure out what a microplague is. It may find out what topgold microblog is but I won't zero in on the hyperlinked content. So you're asking Claude to provide granular analysis of the five hyperlinked PDFs that are inside that microblog. So please give that a shot. I mean, I can run a sample. I can show you what it runs like when I'm on my end. But it's, it's really revealing to watch it run. Claude.ai, running so
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right, okay, the next thing that I want to do with you is, since you saw the result, I want you to see. Can you take the result you got use another AI called claude.ai, to convert what you have found into bullets, so copilot, okay, I could have grabbed these things, you know, it does those things I'm going to tell Claude, examine the learning materials at the same URL that's in the chat, produce a concise summary of the main points and bullet statement so it examined it. And as you I want you to do this so you can see it thinking. It fetches stuff. It fetches stuff again, and you can kind of see, is it fetching all the docs, and then it's telling me something on the results that it has. So to get in there, to get started, you may have to set up an account for free with Claude. You need to ask it to produce Bollaert statement summaries of the hyperlinked content that's referenced in that URL a topcold up micro dot blog. The key learning here is that you'll see Claude actually talking back to you, but telling you what it's doing. If you don't tell it to fetch the hyperlink content, it may only provide you bullet statements of the overview of what it is you're inside of topgold microliplog. So try to figure out what a microplague is. It may find out what topgold microblog is but I won't zero in on the hyperlinked content. So you're asking Claude to provide granular analysis of the five hyperlinked PDFs that are inside that microblog. So please give that a shot. I mean, I can run a sample. I can show you what it runs like when I'm on my end. But it's, it's really revealing to watch it run. Claude.ai, running so Vanessa Okoli
I can
Bernie Goldbach
show you on a screen that I have
Bernie Goldbach
so mine, I've logged in, I've I've talked to Claude before, so it knows me and and if I yeah, I'll change the prompt around. So I'll, because I have something in my memory I want to keep I
Bernie Goldbach
keep five me five bullet statements that summarize.
Bernie Goldbach
This is not the prompt that I want you to do, because I want you to actually go after the PDFs that are listed in the page that's in the URL that's inside the Zoom chat. So now it's actually looking so it's telling you, it's thinking where it's going to look at, found it, checking it, fetching it, and now, depending upon how it fetches, be curious. Okay, clever. So I'm not sure how it fetched that, but it got it somehow. It might have gone to the archive, but it came back right away. So, I'll ask it, does this website advocate sustainable use of AI? See what happens here?
Vanessa Okoli
Ooh,
Bernie Goldbach
it's, it's outed me as an active, personal AI user, heavy user. In fact, experimental, ooh, I gotta stop talking about the AI then, so I become known as a sustainable person. But, yeah, that's clever, and that's accurate, but I mean, what I wanted you to do is use Claude to produce bullet statements of the course you're on based on the information that's inside the five PDFs that are linked on that page. Anybody have any reflections of doing that, because it's that's the goal.
hiramb
I tried in copilot, where Claude mentioned that it couldn't fetch. I tried the same in Chrome, and then I mentioned that there were five PDFs discussed, and it can only see two, not five. Oh,
Bernie Goldbach
Emmett, did you ask Claude for this?
hiramb
Claude, yes, okay, and it does generate the hyperlinks. Interesting.
Bernie Goldbach
Okay, two hours ago. Could do that? Did anyone else get a different result? Because the goal is trying to reduce by bullet statements, the deep content that's hyperlinked on that one page that lists the five PDFs. Simon that that's sort of disappointing that Claude can't do that. I ran this about an hour and a half ago, and it could. Sara,
Sara
mine could open the fifth one, but it's a bit tripping. So I asked him that, like I told him that I did not attend last week's lesson. To give me a summary of what you guys have done and what I need to prepare for this class. And then it said that he can see the page has links to PDF materials. However, I noticed the date on this URL is September 23 2025 we which appears to be a future date.
Bernie Goldbach
No, it's a past date. It's interesting. So it's the last date, yeah, one, because I the page originated about a week or so after we started. So that's interesting. If Claude thinks it's out of date,
Sara
he thinks it's a future date compared to today, but he also tells me that today is October.
davidlukas
Yeah, okay, I think
Sara
he's a bit confused on that. But then he tells me what you actually put in the session five.
Bernie Goldbach
Okay, well, I mean, if you got some, if you have some confidence that all you're going to do is say, hey, Bernie, for sure, is this what this will have to do? If what I tell you, yeah, that's right, then claude's done its job of providing you information. That's that's worthwhile. I think it's cautionary tale is i Be careful about trusting an AI on anything that's time critical unless I could verify it. You know, so. But in the past, cloud can do better content nicer. Seems it wants to think longer than open AI's ChatGPT wants to think, and it's definitely able to produce deeper content than copilot can on the first run. So that's why I show the I show the tool. If you leave tonight's session realizing, okay, we're going to ask a question, and the question I'm asking is something that's part of 1/3 of the document I'm preparing at least run two different types of prompts against the same AI, or run the same prompt against two different AIS in order to get a balanced result. Did anyone not be able to have the clock to have Claude respond to at least your request to examine the links. Yeah, me,
davidlukas
when I try to open the plot, it's starting to open, but then nothing happens. I tried it like five times now, and I even tried to open the links that Letizia sent in the chat, but it's the same. It's not opening, okay, blank page.
Eleanor Moloney
That's sad.
davidlukas
I'm using a MacBook, so I'm not in, yeah,
Bernie Goldbach
but I mean, still, it's a browser. It's like, you know, it's, it's, yeah, like, I'm using the free version of Claude as well. So it's, it's weird, it's, I'm so disappointed, because it was so Eleanor providing me lovely Bollaert statements based on deep hyperlinks in previous sessions. So now tonight, I have to report a disappointment. Disappointed by Claude. All right, perhaps I can do something different. So I'm going to put it into the put in the link here. I'm putting in Chrissy tries here view glasses. So it's a Vimeo link, and the goal is, don't, don't 
open that Well, you could, but don't. The goal is this. Let me share with you what I want you to do. The goal is to use Gemini to ask Gemini questions about the sentiment that is revealed by that link, so that previously you might have seen it, you might have seen Chrissy talking about it. So let me just demonstrate what I want, and you can what I want you to do is be able to say, is it positive sentiment? So that's what I want you to ask. But what I'm going to ask is this, let's say what is the most positive so do not use this one unless you want to just simply asked Gemini, what kind of sentiment, but Almedia, what is the most positive idea revealed by the speaker in this clip? So I'll attach clip there.
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open that Well, you could, but don't. The goal is this. Let me share with you what I want you to do. The goal is to use Gemini to ask Gemini questions about the sentiment that is revealed by that link, so that previously you might have seen it, you might have seen Chrissy talking about it. So let me just demonstrate what I want, and you can what I want you to do is be able to say, is it positive sentiment? So that's what I want you to ask. But what I'm going to ask is this, let's say what is the most positive so do not use this one unless you want to just simply asked Gemini, what kind of sentiment, but Almedia, what is the most positive idea revealed by the speaker in this clip? So I'll attach clip there. Bernie Goldbach
Ooh, it's not going to find that. So I have to go back to the clip
Bernie Goldbach
and ask it in this clip.
Bernie Goldbach
So I'm going to ask what's the most positive idea revealed by the speaker in this clip. So I just want you to ask, you know, what's the sentiment? And it's good, you're going to have a different answer than I'm coming back with, and we'll see what I'm unable.
Bernie Goldbach
Whoa, okay. Doesn't like that. See surprises. Private shouldn't be private, all right,
Bernie Goldbach
go back and try To find another clip by her.
Bernie Goldbach
I should do this.
Bernie Goldbach
I'll see if I gotta touch it do
Bernie Goldbach
all right, this is the clip.
Bernie Goldbach
Identifies live caption sounds okay. If you can't see that clip on that Vimeo URL I gave, Let me see if I can find it this way.
Bernie Goldbach
I Okay, so the goal is you just use Gemini to detect sentiment. So I put the clip, the YouTube clip URL, in the Zoom chat, and you should be to simply by using gemini.google.com, ask, is this person? Exhibiting or displaying positive sentiment. And then I added further, if so, what's the most positive or the most negative? And if you want to change that prompt, you could ask, what's the most negative insinuation that's revealed by the person in this clip, and see what, see what comes back. Does anyone been able to do that? Because, sorry about not having exact URLs, but the goal is use Gemini to analyze sentiment. You know what's what? It's hard to think that you can detect sentiment through the AI of a video clip. The AI can also detect sentiment from micro expression. And whether that's an exact science that's up for the audience to decide, it can definitely detect sentiment based on the written word, but to have it detected based on amplitude emotion elocution, it's just really interesting. So the word all came up in yours, Maria, all excitement and appreciation, yeah, and it found, it found something that mine also discovered, which she really likes, the captions directly in her line of sight. So a year later, for a whole lot more money. Meta is doing the same thing with their their smart glasses, but this met a glass could do more than just show text and record things as well. Yeah. Sentiment, Vanessa, you're coming up with.
hiramb
Here's this.
Bernie Goldbach
Looking at the image that you you got Vanessa, I'm just getting, I'm just getting a star. Is that what you meant?
Vanessa Okoli
Oh, no, that was an accident.
Bernie Goldbach
See, God, somehow you prompted the AI to produce an an image of a logo or an image of an emoji, which should be possible that'd be interesting to do. Someone wants to do. You know what emoji best represents the sentiment revealed in this video clip? See what it comes back with. That's clever. Yeah. Wow. And you got the time code? Who's that? Maddie, very good. Got a did you ask for a time code, Maddy, or to just give you that? No, it actually just gave me that. I didn't ask at all. Okay, well, was that? Would you see that? Would you personally believe that someone's positive about someone saying I've been waiting because, I mean, I can see why it is positive. I've been waiting for this technology, but like most people, I've been waiting it's like negative, like waiting so long for this bus to arrive, and yet, it's her whole statement, I've been waiting for the technology. And then she sort of says for so long, and now it's here. But that's that's interesting, because typically, waiting is negative, but it's saying it's positive. And I, I actually think it's how she's how she says, I've been waiting. It's like someone's entering the room on the 25th of December. Been waiting so long for to see my Christmas presents, that sense of anticipation finally getting there and so happy. Yeah, all these things are that you folks are adding to the Zoom chat. All these are really good, relevant, validation. Validations of positive sentiment. So if you're coaching somebody to be happy, enthusiastic and positive about an event or person or an accomplishment, maybe, and it could be you that you're coaching yourself. Maybe you should borrow some of the phraseology, some of the the expressions, some of the pauses, some of the breathlessness. It's so important. I've been I've been in meetings that lasted too long, and yet, people at the end had the ability to take a deep breath and say thanks for being there and how happy they were. And it's sometimes it's rehearsed, you know, words, they use, expressions that they reserve for the end of the meeting. But it's so powerful. It's so positive. And so if you can learn from this, you know, by by coaching yourself to be a better person. Because the AI said, this is, these are the words or the phrases or the expressions you should use that's that's really, really, really, really good, really positive, enthusiastic and happy. Yeah, no. Eleanor, I wish the world had more, more chrissies. I I'm in, I'm in. I love going to basketball matches that are played by deaf people. See how they and how do you I mean, it's all visual, you know. But there's and then I in America, I watched deaf people play American football, and that's just amazing. It totally based on peripheral vision, based on movement, because in America, in American football, if you move too soon, it's a penalty. So you know, for to play American football on the line of scrimmage and not leave before you're supposed to move. That's discipline. And you know, if someone's deaf, they're picking up a lot of other cues. Now, there is a harmonic you can hear based on a shoulder pad snapping or, you know, cleat pushing the mud, but it's still, it's all down on movement. So you're you get super sensory. In the case of Chrissy, she's deaf, her micro expressions, the words she can articulate, and the vocal range in which she does it, is being picked up as positive and perfect expressions of happy sentiment. Yeah, okay, right. So we're at a point and a letiz taking a short break right now, but I wanted to take a break at this point and let me see if I can show this, though. And if you haven't done a selfie yet, then I need to be able to prompt you on how people have done that. So I want to be able to rejoin about 20 minutes after the hour on this you on this call, and if you haven't made an avatar selfie, then I'll explain to you how we did it. Most people just use ChatGPT. They describe themselves and they added context to it by adding a dish, pizza, sushi or something to eat. We need your avatar selfie with food in another session so that we can ask an AI to determine what the different types of food are displayed in the groups for the groups of people that are participating. And then we're going to use another prompt sequence to see, is it smart enough to tell us without isolating the food from the people? Is it smart to say, look, if we're walking in front of this following restaurant, will that will the people in this cluster of imagery, be able to find something to eat inside. So your avatar selfie with a piece of food. So if you haven't done that, please, in the next two minutes, produce it. I was going to cut this call then rejoin on another one and cover two more points before I do that, does anybody want to mention anything? Because I want to take a break, I had to fill in some slides from a deck that didn't quite populate, and then come back on the call. Anybody want to mention anything?
hiramb
I might say something briefly, yeah, remember, last week we did we used Gemini to search on a Google Drive. We did that indirectly. I tried this the same trick with copilot and OneDrive, but copilot can only read the main directory, so not the sub directories. It can read the main directory and give or any kind of directory and give a list of what is there, or it finds things if you're asking for it. So it's kind of a search engineer, but it can't browse through the sub directories, which
Vanessa Okoli
is a shame. Yeah,
Bernie Goldbach
yeah, no. So like, what in the past, what we've done, Hiram, we put the stuff over to copilot. Copilot can put the stuff in the SharePoint that copilot can then read. And I'm not sure why that happens, but I'm gonna, I'll have to build an instance of a SharePoint, because we'll do that to know what tool will fit the need. Moreover, there are some people on this program who can't use their Gemini to see the Google Drive and ask questions of it. They can see the Google Drive, but the Gemini can't seem to interrogate what's in the drive most people can, and the disconnect comes with what profile you're logged in on the top right of your browser window. If you haven't logged in with a Gmail account up there and you have a student account, sometimes the account host won't let you use a Gemini search tool while logged in with the student identity in that browser. But anyway, so, but I want people to be able to definitely leery. I want to go look at all this stuff. I need to take a break. Kill this call, populate a few things. Filipepe, know you had asked indirectly. Well, I think I'll be fine for the next, you know, 40 minutes when we rejoin, but we're I just I had problem with the power supply my laptop, and then it caused another problem, and they caused a third problem. So while I was trying to the power supply I was using was only the laptop I use has two batteries, and when it gets down to 01, of the batteries, the computer gets confused when it's getting power in, but not for both batteries. So I had blue screens, black screens, which I've never had on a Windows 11 computer, because it didn't know and I lost some stuff. Anyway, yeah, David, I think I have, did I not have yours? Your Gmail,
davidlukas
I don't know if you have the student account or my Gmail account, because I'm not allowed to upload anything into the one drive.
Bernie Goldbach
Okay, now what I'll do, yeah, good point there to the Google Drive, you. What I'll do is I'll grab that make sure you're in as a shared person, and I'll do that while we're offline. But I need to leave. I need to leave and come back like I want to come back at 20 minutes past seven. Okay, I'm not going to talk to you. Okay, okay. I will see you at 20 past Okay.
Filipe
Bernard, do you have five minutes just to discuss? Okay? So, so as I didn't quite understand your last email regarding let me see about the international travel offices that may be made to book and travel. So can you, can you explain me better?
Bernie Goldbach
What's okay? So in twists case, I swear that the panel of the people who were selected and people who weren't selected and people that weren't continuing, I thought of more than a month ago, we had toggled in who's starting, and then, like Ali said he can't do it, Roisin said she couldn't do it. And somehow our travel office seems to have an email that's early September, and so they're going around. They sent an email around to all the students that originally were selected, saying, Give me your passport details, I'll book your trip. And so two of the students said, Oh, I'm so glad I can go. I can't do the online version, but I certainly can do the Portuguese one. Let's do that. So that's just it. So maybe, you know, maybe if it's coming from you, I doubt that we're the only campus doing having this problem. But definitely they were going to book tickets for three people that aren't on the program.
Filipe
Okay, so, but obviously I haven't talked talk notes about the people who are who who kid and who didn't. What is your advice? Should I every student to say, are you taking this course or not? No,
Bernie Goldbach
no, no. The ones I gave you did I sent you an email showed you, of like, a bunch of names. If you agree, they're the ones that are they're the ones active. They've done at least one session, and I can also see them responding or doing other things. Okay, just say if you're okay with them? I think there's 14 names. We're okay.
Filipe
Yeah, so, but Should I, should I try to contact all the international travel offices and give them this list in the sense that these should be the ones? Okay? So
Bernie Goldbach
maybe I don't know. I don't know the answer that I just I rode in on my own crew and said, Guys, look, don't because, because Eleanor told me that these other people were on that list and she knew or not, Eleanor, Maria told me, she said some people are being they responded to the email list because it was and they said, I'm so glad that you're allowing me to go to Portugal.
Filipe
Okay, yeah, I'm going to call for advice. Okay, but I think that the most interesting answer to this is I contact international offices, I give this list, and I say, in theory, all the others have probably quit the course because they haven't delivered the well, the assessment, the assessments that it's needed until now, yeah. So pay, pay extra attention if they ask for for passports, something like that, right? Yeah, because I'm not sure, for example, what would happen in a sap SAP if someone failed the exam? Right? So, it took, it took the it took the scholarship. He went to Portugal. He failed the exam. I'm not assuming that he has to pay anything. I believe so I'm not sure.
Bernie Goldbach
No, I think the if it was happening to us, we would have to have a repeat mechanism. Now, the way it's set up is they should have enough under the test rules, if they did 80 or 90% of all the things I'm asking them to do before Maria, they would be able to pass because they would have more than 40% done so. But to answer your question, we have obliged to have a repeat mechanism ready to go.
Filipe
Okay, so in theory is student might, might want, might say to the international office, I want to go to Portugal, because I will ask for for some kind of assessment, something like that.
Bernie Goldbach
Yeah. I mean, we could, we could accommodate. We could try to, we could probably get people through the Mon through the entire course by making sure they did the little things that we just tonight, one on one with them in Portugal. But then that's simple work they'd be doing, and not doing the deeper work. So that's what I'd be worried about. I don't have a problem doing that, but I think it's not fair.
Filipe
Yeah, let me, let me take this five minute break to call my, my my boss, and say, and that's what, what she thinks about this, yeah. Okay, so she gives me some solution,
Bernie Goldbach
yeah. But I mean, like in this let you know it's up to you to say whether it's absolutely not possible for somebody to meet the course training objectives all in the time that they're in the area. I mean, I think it's possible. I don't think it's desirable. I don't think it's fair. I
Filipe
don't think it's fair. And this is a, this course has five CTSS, so he in one week. He's not, he has, he hasn't got, got it, yeah, so, so let me, let me ask the I'll call you in a minute. We'll meet that to the other link, set the zoom, zoom link, and then I'll tell you what at the end, when the student,
Bernie Goldbach
yeah, good. Good idea what
Filipe
told me, Okay,
Bernie Goldbach
thanks, Filipe,
Filipe
Okay, see you. See you in five minutes. Bye, bye.