birds of a feather flock together. Okay, this is why, if you had exceptional hires in the past, what you've usually found, if you've had this opportunity, is that maybe some of your employees came because they were referred by other employees of your practice. As a matter of fact, when I was an architectural professional, this is how I found several of my jobs, is that my friends that went to school with me. Said, Hey, Enoch, we're at this great firm. We're looking for someone. Do you want a job? And then I considered it, and I ended up jumping ship. And the same thing happened where I told one of my friends about a job at my at the firm where I was working. He ended up jumping ship and coming over to work with us. So that's one way in which you can identify where the fish are, right? What are the networks that you need to be in, who are the people in contacts that you need to be getting to know so they can refer the right work. Because here's the thing, if you're just depending on a job posting on monster or indeed, you're fishing in a very particular fishing hole, meaning the only person people you're usually going to attract at that time are people who are in the market for a job at that moment. So obviously, your your pool is going to be very small potential candidates. Now I'm not telling you anything that you don't know, but you've never, probably had it laid out exactly like this in such a sequential way in the past, which is why, if you run an architectural practice, this episode is going to want to be one you're going to want to bookmark now, to be able to fish where the fish are, to be able to put your marketing efforts hiring directly targeted at the right kind of people who you want to attract to your firm. You need to be very clear on the fish that you actually want to attract. So we need to understand, are we throwing out our net to catch shrimp, you know, are we casting a deep line to catch some salmon, or are we fishing on the surface for some tuna? Are we going to go for some rock cotton? We're going to sink that thing right down to the bottom? The bottom. Okay. This is why having a very, very clear job role, or roles that you've packaged together for this particular position is so essential. So you know exactly like this is the person we're looking for. So then you know where to go find them. In marketing, there's this talk of an avatar which is our ideal client. So if you've been through any marketing exercises before, if you've studied marketing, if you've marketed your architectural practice with a consultant, you know that oftentimes they'll take you through an ideal client exercise where you identify, Okay, who is our ideal client? What does this person look like? What's their demographic? What's their psychographic? The very same thing applies to your architectural candidate, whether it's an administrative candidate or whether it's an architectural candidate, need to be very clear on what are their psychographics, meaning, how do they think? What are their demographics? Right? This not only applies to like, where do they live, but it also their education level, their experience, things of that sort. Now, after you've identified. And you're very clear on the fish that you want to catch, then you're unable to go out and find the right fishing hole to catch those particular employees. Principle number five is to plant your tree now. As you know, if you need to hire someone right now and you can't find someone to hire, it's a difficult situation to be in, because that typically means that you and your team are working more than you'd like to. Maybe you're not being able to take on the kind of projects that you'd want to. Maybe you're having to tell clients, you know what, we have a waiting list and we can't help you out. This might even result in you losing some clients and going over to other firms that have the bandwidth to be able to help them out, which we all know that getting good clients in the architecture industry is is not easy, so that's probably not something you're looking forward to doing. So principle number five is so important because it's about planting your tree. Now, the best business builders that I know are people who keep in contact with their network, and so one of the most important skills you can get as a firm owner is the habit of keeping in contact with your network. So I encourage you to get some sort of system into place. Make a list, get some sort of CRM program. Get something that reminds you to reach out and keep in touch with people that you're in contact with. As a matter of fact, I have a friend of mine who was the COO of the architecture and construction company that I was at. Great gentleman. His name was Jim Bell, and he was working for a gigantic development company, came over and started working with us in Texas when I was working Texas when I was working there. And Jim was a great guy, like he was a guy who knew how to connect with people. And even though he was several tears higher up on the hierarchy chain than I was after he left that position, he reached out to me and he said, Enoch, I'm in the market for another job. Do you know anyone looking for a position like the one that I have? This is how business builders who are successful. This is how they operate. They're keeping in touch with their network. They're reaching out to people they know. They're spreading the word. They're keeping in contact. Now, the last thing I'll say about this is based upon a story, something that happened to me just last week. So I had, I had, I had someone who I know in my network reach out to me, and this person's been following me on social media for a while. He's like, hey, Enoch, let's catch up. I want to chat with you really quick. Now, I've never talked with this guy on the phone. I've met him in person, and we chatted here and there over social media and things like that. You know, liking each other stuff and stuff like that. So I thought, I didn't know what he wanted to talk about, but I was intrigued, so I called him up. Well, it turns out that what he wanted is, he wanted to ask me for a personal loan. Okay? He's like, I'm in a difficult situation right now. My business has gone downhill right now. As a matter of fact, my wife and I are getting a divorce. Like, it's pretty sad, difficult situation. And he's like, because of that, I've neglected my business as I was trying to launch a new business. So our revenue has gone down, and I'm looking at potentially losing our house. We're going to lose our cars. I have a storage unit full of stuff that I might lose as well. And he's like, I'm trying to raise $6,500 now, obviously this is not a lot of money when someone has a business that's functioning well, but when you're on your back foot. I mean, I really fell for him because I've been there myself. I've been in lack I've been in financial situations where I'm compressed and who knows, I may be there again someday. But the point of me bringing up the story was, as I got this message from him, sure I helped him, and I'm gonna have a call. I'm still ongoing. I'm gonna be talking with him and supporting him in the way that I can. But there was a part of me that was saying, Well, you know what, like you the one time he reached out to me was when you wanted something. So my advice for you is, don't be that person. This is why, keeping up the habits of staying in touch with people, making sure you're catching up with them, making sure sending them relevant information, just nurturing your network is going to want to be one of the most powerful investments you can make as a firm owner. All right, so there we've gone over the potential problems. Help I can't hire. We've talked about the possibility of finding the right fit. We've identified that the root problem is, is that you just haven't marketed this position adequately. How do we know? Because you can't hire like marketers, that's what marketers do. Marketers take something that that's no one wants, and they they make it extremely valuable, and they get people to line up and sleep overnight to be able to buy this thing. I mean, we see this all around, right? We see this all around like I was, I was just looking at, you know, we were in the south of France last week for Ryan Willards wedding. You know, Ryan, he also is obviously one of the hosts and my partner here at Business of Architecture and and as we were going to some of these fashion stores, and I was looking like, the French love their fashion, and they're just amazing, incredible, like, incredible fashion sense the arts, like France is the place for the arts Italy as well. I digress. But as I was looking at some of these clothes, I'm like, you know, it's amazing that that these people, these designers, they can take something that's literally a piece of cloth, is literally cotton, or it's some synthetic fabric, and then they can charge 1000s of dollars for it. What's the big gap? There's something, how can you charge 1000s of dollars for something that literally cost maybe $5 to make, maybe $20 to make, and you're charging 1000s of dollars for this thing. What have you considered? It's all about what we call marketing. So what I can say to you is like, if, if people can market water, right? Because you go to the store and there's like, there. Like cheap water and there's expensive water, right? There's cheap wine and there's expensive wine, and if you taste the wine on the water, you know, frankly, they're not that different. Now, those water enthusiasts out there, if you're a water file, you may, you, may, you may, you may get upset at this assertation, right? Come on, Enoch, not all water is critical. I agree. Some water can taste like it has that terrible plastic after taste, as opposed to a nice, cold, minerally enhanced alkaline water. Yeah, those are great, right? But what I can tell you is the price differential on those things is not really rational based upon the taste of the water. So what's the difference? Consider that the difference is marketing, and this is why being able to hire is a marketing exercise. So if you can just simply make this shift and recognize that you know what, it's not that I can't hire, it's that I haven't marketed sufficiently to hire the person that I need. If someone can take something as simple as water and as commonly available as water, and charge many, many multiples of that, and basically sell it to people, then certainly I should be able to take my practice and market it in such a way that we attract the ideal candidate.