Whoa, just curious. Welcome to Just curious media. This is let's talk movies. And I'm Jason Connell on the show today I'm joined by Brian Beasley
Good to see you again. Jason.
You too, sir. You're back for another episode on Let's Talk movies. And today, Brian, it's very fitting.
What is today?
Well, you're weird today is also the movie title. Today is Groundhog Day, February 2 2020. Through Yeah, we're gonna talk about Groundhog Day. From 1993 which makes it 30 years old. Brian, what do you feel very well, I
actually didn't know that. Oh, my gosh, we are it is 30 years old. Oh my god. I saw this in the movie theater.
I know. I know. Right? So I'm doing these new episodes. I'm revisiting rewatching I might call it rewatched. I think that's what I call it. But just I'm watching so many movies all the time. It's a call. I'll do these shorter episodes, solo episodes where I bring on someone who I love having on the show. And when I told you I was gonna talk about Groundhog Day, you said what did you say exact?
I'm in some of my favorite movies. There you go. Sir. It deserves to be talked about on Let's Talk movie. So I'm excited to dive in.
I agree with you, sir. I truly do. So and I even have the poster up here. There it is the famous pose arias.
That stupid alarm
clock. Yeah. Yeah.
dead dead day stuck in a time loop.
So it is truly Groundhog Day today. The 130/7 Groundhog Day. And do you know the verdict today? That pucks attorney?
No. I mean, how unfortunate is that didn't even pay attention. You actually sit me. I mean, I failed. I failed even click it. That's how lazy I am. What are we getting six more weeks of winter? What did the groundhog do to get scared?
Next class of winter, I had a feeling you know, it's a safer bet. It's a safer bet. To not say that. It's like, hey, wait a second. But to watch the video today, which I hadn't seen in years, and then having just watched the movie yesterday. It's like, wow, the real life version is very theatrical moreso than the movie they have all these statesmen with the black coat on the hat. And they all introduce themselves. Brian, it's like they all have nicknames like Brian Beasley everyone's important for us bit. You know, they all have to be introduced and then they really have this cane. So it's like I am watching the movie. And the movie probably took this to the next level. I'm sure the movie as big as it was made. Pennsylvania this little town just blow up because it was like, every news truck was there like in the movie, and people everywhere. And I gotta say he was pretty cute. The groundhog was really cute. Now watch the whole thing. But I've never seen it real life. But this will be really appeared on my radar. Sure we would hear about it as kids and maybe every once a while they would show that on like the morning show. We're getting ready for school. But this movie Groundhog Day. Just I've always loved it too. I'm a huge fan of Harold Ramis. I'm a huge Bill Murray fan. Yeah. Those two together and Morato not you get magic and gold. And so I'm going to set things up. We're gonna show the trailer and we can talk to you in the trailer. It's not like you know, we're at church or somewhere we anything you see, let's talk about or you're in a library. It's okay. And we're gonna pipe it through here though. And then we'll just kind of broad strokes is I'm excited. It holds up and I'm happy to talk about it with you. So give me just a moment. I'm my own AV guy as well.
Multitalented got to be.
On time 1000 people freezing their butts off waiting to worship. Weatherman Phil Connors is spending the day in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania. Man. Listen, I did the western high school talent show. But Phil's about to find out. He's not just stuck in pucks. Itani. Would you be checking out today Mr. Connors? Chance to departure today.
Always a weather man.
Groundhog Day. I'm reliving the same day over and over. Ryerson. Do you ever have deja vu, Mrs. Lancaster? I don't think so. But I could check with the kitchen. Well, it's Groundhog Day. Again. He was a little anxious. Checking out today, Mr. Collins, I'd say the chance of departure is
I don't know how many actors could have pulled this off.
But now we could do whatever we want.
It's a lot. It takes a lot of things.
discovering the possibilities. Don't you worry about.
Andie MacDowell, how lovely was she.
living life like there's no tomorrow. Ned Ryerson there is I am an immortal I have been stabbed shot burn, frozen, electrocuted. I'm a god your God. I'm a god. I'm not the guard. He's out of his butt to get what his heart wants mostly looking fulfill a date for the weekend means living this day over again until he gets it right later not I studied 19th century French poetry. I study 19th century French poetry that fakies speak French. Bill Murray and the McDowell to the groundhog always dreamed World Peace.
Note to self.
Note to self world peace.
I like to say prayer and gentle world peace. Dr. Angry adlib line their famous line he might be okay. No problem with that. We'll get into that later. Life has a funny way of repeating itself. What did you do today? Oh, same old, same old.
Also, a really good line.
Completely marketed as another little light silly Bill Murray movie and yet this is an extremely deep text and has garnered that attention every passing year that we're talking about this movie 30 years later
30 years nearly impressive. And also I love this poster. He's having the day of his life over and over. Good tag I like it is it is good tag. And I'll give you the synopsis just because we're on it because those who haven't seen this movie will a go see it if you haven't seen it in a while revisited like I just did rewatch it. But the synopsis goes in Narcissus self centered weatherman finds himself in a time loop on Groundhog Day and the day keeps repeating until he gets it right now it's like hell on earth or it can be amazing just to be stuck in something that there's no consequences.
Listen, it's it's all that it's everything. You just say that it's exactly that.
And I mentioned it earlier but Harold Ramis rest in peace Harold Ramis was always just huge in my life, your life as well for the movies. He goes both acted in and directed and he's great at both right. Caddyshack strike with stripes. He didn't direct Ivan Reitman, but directing National Lampoon's Vacation. No, yeah, he did direct it. Yeah, he's sorry. Yeah, I was like wait sorry, vacation multiplicity analyze this analyze that. And an actor in fact, one thing in this movie it could have used if anything, some Harold Ramis not as Bill Murray but it could have had him somewhere and some little role just a little nugget but you know, he kind of switched over and was directing a lot more and didn't double dip as much when he was directing movies like multiplicity and analyze this and that but fantastic talent and him together with Bill Murray. I mean, Bill Murray is just come on Legendary. Yeah, totally legendary. And together, they were like you said Yeah, stripes, Caddyshack. Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters. Part two if you cared for that kind of thing. But this movie is really a vehicle for Bill Murray to shine. He's in like, every scene he plays Phil the angry weatherman and he McDow the lovely girl who has his eye the interest. She's a producer on his news channel. Read a Chris Elliott funny little tidbits as Larry and then of course Ned is fantastic. And he would go on to have a fantastic career. Stephen Tobolowsky
I believe Toby Loski. The legendary that guy's
Yeah. Oh, there's that guy. You're in that thing. Brian Doyle. Murray is one of those statesmen that has books, tawny Phil, and he plays Buster also bills brother and we ran into him the day when we were shooting.
Oh, that's right. He was a car star.
Yeah, Hollywood Boulevard. And I met him but he saw the camera and he was like, Yeah, but he kept a low profile. I didn't want to show up on our documentary. But so we're one degree away from this movie. Oh, my I forgot about that. That's totally right. So yeah, again, a chance to shine. You know, and I didn't know what was factor fiction. Right. There really is a Gobblers Knob Visitor Center, where the movie doesn't take place, though. Brian. It's not shot in the real place that shot Yeah, it was in Illinois. Right. Exactly real close to Bill Murray's house in Woodstock, Illinois. Not Woodstock. So but they've cheated it it looks the same. I'm sure the the town's very quaint in that way. It's not Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania. But I was just taken aback by a there was parallels I hadn't seen in a long time. I had not hadn't revisited this movie in a while. But I had recently watched Scrooge over the holiday because Sofia had never seen it. So we went back and watched groups I'm like, Oh my gosh, it's like I'm watching the beginning of Scrooge. Because they just kind of tapped into that side of Bill Murray, ya know, the bear high concept
comedies high Exactly. comedies. Yeah.
And then the character arc ensue. And so yeah, I don't know what your takeaways when you first start in the theater be like, Oh my God, I've seen this note before, because Scrooge had come out prior. But it obviously deviates, but I thought, Oh, my God, in fact, watch it now. It's like, yeah, it's a bit over the top on how bad and annoying he is. And I was like, Okay, I've just seen this. But the payoff is amazing. And please speak to you saw this in the feed. No,
I think I think you bring up a really great point about Scrooge I think that they can go hand in hand with each other because it is about these very flawed, egotistical people that are go through these, like, very mystical situations and come out the back end. better people. I mean, that's in both of those movies. resonate. I mean, yes, they are hilarious. Yes. Bill Murray is freaking hilarious on both of those movies. Yeah. But if it doesn't have that structure around it that like, again, going back to that high concept, comedy, because they're their dramas, there's drama, and all of that, especially Groundhog Day. I mean, there's the whole scene where he tries to save the homeless man's life. And at the end of the day, the very touching, sometimes when it's time to go, it's time to go, right. And I had read somewhere that this was this movie is based on the five steps of grief. And there is there's an aspect to of like, just a person growing up like it at first, you know, a toddler is me, me, me, me. And, and then, you know, and then it's like, oh, I have freedom. I'm a he's a teenager. He's like, I can do anything I want. There's no consequences. And then there's the depression and midlife crisis where you're trying to trying to kill himself over and over and over again. Also very dark. I mean, there's a whole montage of him trying to murder in his
spare the suicides. Absolutely. Yeah.
And if you put anyone else in that role, I don't know if it works like Bill Murray is so good. A so funny ads and Harold Ramis his hands, so well done at knowing just the right moments to have certain tones, right.
I have one comp that could have done it, but it would have had to been years later. But Jim Carrey could have pulled this off in his heyday.
I think so
I think I guess because he has those notes, you can be dramatic. He's got the over the top nisi he has all that the Bill Murray has an in a way, they're different. But he could have done it. And if this movie came along, 10 years later, it could have easily been him, or even six years later, but it was it should have been Bill Murray. And it was And him and ramus together. It is magic. It is gold. And there are scenes like when I watch it again, you know, I was like, Okay, I want to see this switch. I want to see some moments. Because it's one note when he's just egotistical and just bad mouthing everybody, I get it. But it doesn't remain funny. I'm ready for that layer to crack so I can get through it. I don't need to have the end yet. But I want to see change. I want to see the character begin to change. And that could be the darkness. And I'm telling you that suicide sequence plays very well. And, and it's comedy, like I'm a god. But then I started thinking about this whole situation. Apparently there's 38 days covered. I don't know how accurate that was. I've read that. So he was here for like over a month. But it's the same day. And maybe there was more. Maybe it was honey. Oh,
you've heard 38. Yeah. Oh, man, we should get into that. So that's the big question is how long was he there? Well, it's completely there's no, right.
There's no, they probably went through and picked out every reset. And that's 38. Right?
No. Oh, so you're saying that he wakes up 38 times? That's right. Yeah, he's really, how long do you actually think he was in the time loop?
I think the question I think is probably more than that. I think he could have been there so long that you get to this stage. I mean, he's fought he wants to in some days early, because it's like, I cannot deal with this walks in front of your car. Does a nose dive off of a plateau? Because some days he's checking out 10 minutes into the day or whatever. So I could have been hundreds we'll never know because the riders are probably will say,
Oh, no, no, they actually Oh. Well, there's no first of all, there's no right answer. But what is fascinating is I never thought about actually counting how many times he could do that. Yeah. But obviously stuff happens that we don't see we see him take a piano lesson. And the next time we see man knows a lot, you know, yeah, so obviously so ramus when it first came out and said that he thought that he was in this time loop for 10 years and he said that it gets much better. He said it takes someone to years to become that good. I mean, he learns French he learns to ice sculptor he learns the piano. Then later it said that well, he messed around for so many of those years that he actually thought that this is Raman speaking that would take three or four decades that he was in this time loop. That writer said a movie
is 30 years old now. So he did this.
Maybe he's just getting out. The writer said he was in it for 100 days. So this has
become take it take it what you want, right? Take it right which way? I was already? 30. It's not enough. I probably would say a few.
You know, it's funny you say? So there was a There's a website called what culture that did in 2014. They did a deep dive on how how long it takes the average human to learn to, to learn the piano to the facility. And they came up with a very specific 12,395 days, basically 34 years. So which is right in between Raymond saying three or four decades,
we'll come back and four years and revisit this again. 34 year mark? Well, so yeah, that leads to these scenes. And that's when I started to grip me like when he realizes what he's in and he sheds that layer, then it really gets interesting. And you almost have to do that. Like, here's this guy, like you said high concept comedy. And then in Scrooge was the same. When I went back and watch that I saw it in the theater. I'm watching it over the holidays, and I'm like, oh, yeah, let's get to that next beat. And that's just me. You know, I can only handle that, like, one note for so long. But there's one thing that really hurt me on the suicides. I gotta tell you, because I know he knows he's gonna die and then come back the next day. But it's that Phil goes over the edge with him. He doesn't put the groundhog out of the truck. Like let him scurry off. It really touched me like he had to experience that. But yeah, he he didn't think about that. And then there's some great scenes. I mean, comedy gold watching Jeopardy is the funniest laugh out loud to me. i Please set the stage here. Because this is fantastic.
Yeah, I mean, it's just it is a great scene where he's just he's bored out of his mind. And he's watching the same episode of jeopardy. 100 times. And so that's a great as that, but it's our people's questions. Oh, it's all the reactions and the end. At the end. He's answering the questions before they ask the questions and
pouring a drink because he stayed at a hotel. It's more like in a beat. Because everybody's like these couples. And so he's watched his Jeopardy specific episode as many times as he wants. And so yeah, he's like, lakes and rivers. He's in that category. And he's just they're barely saying the question, or they're saying the answer. And then you say the question is, he's like, Mexico, Fingerlakes to the Kochi, the Rhone, and he says that, like you said, as he gets on, he's like pouring a drink. And they're like, this guy's incredible. And they all applaud him. It's very cute. Very charming.
It really is hilarious.
It always makes me laugh. It's Bill Murray at his finest.
Yes, the dryness, the comebacks, the Yeah, I mean, he's really, it's a lot of room for him to do. Really fantastic comedy. And just going for the Ned Ryerson stuff is my favorite actually, my favorite moment is when he comes up to him, and he hugs him, but he hugs him really long. And he's like,
yeah, it lingers.
What are you doing today? He's like telling me you can get out of work. And he's like, Oh,
I have missed you. So he's out. That's what he knew that would propel him. So good. It is great. It's a chance to trial your stuff, with no consequences, you know, and if he likes a girl, he could say anything and get to what works and all that
is engaged. Yeah, it robs the bank. He robs
a bank. And then it really starts to pivot or things you know, in him is when he really starts to listen and learn about others. And that does, you know, skipping ahead, even before he gets the perfect day, right, he hits a few good days where it doesn't end how he wants and it gets repeated. But when Andy McDowell is asking him how who all he knows, and this little diner, the things that he picked up on over the however long he was there, but I love it because he has got outside of his own bubble, and really started learning little tidbits about everybody and caring and like you said earlier, caring for the old man who's on his last leg and figures all to save him and knowing even when you save him, you're not gonna save him. He's this is his time. And that's what it starts to be, you know, things have pivoted, his moral compass is different. And that sucks me in and of course, you get this in credible song by Ray Charles throughout the movie, you don't know me. It's that beautiful track and it's not just him in McDowell. It's just him changing and a perfect song. You don't know me, because she thinks she knows him. And he is just changed immensely in these however long it's been, I can't say 38 days now you've sold me on other ideas. But I that's the beauty of the movie. And yes, we all want a happy ending. And yes, I will save what happens for you to talk about but that's to me, what got its hooks in me and I realized, wow, this is still very effective movie. And I enjoyed it immensely. Like I that's why I wanted to come on and talk about it. And it just so happened to be Groundhog Day, which makes it all the more fitting.
Totally. And I mean, the spirituality of the film is what's made it last. I mean, there yes, there are dissertations written about this movie, like they teach this movie in certain classes and believe it there and I remember I saw this interview with Ramis and he was even he was taken aback by how it doesn't matter what religion you are, or where you find your spirituality. You can find it in this film like, you know, the Buddha's, I guess he'd gotten letters from Buddha saying like, they understood the film because like he gains enlightenment at the end. And that's how he gets out of this or obviously the Catholics see this as purgatory. And it's on until he completely gives himself over and, and as you said, he lives the perfect day. And what is the perfect day the perfect day is changing the tire for the old ladies catching the kid was falling out of the tree. It's club, the Rotary Club, like getting the his brother is real brother real life is choking on a piece of steak. Yeah, get sharper teeth, if you're gonna eat steak. It's all of that. And he's not even trying to impress her. You know, I'm saying like, and that's what she falls in love with at the end is because he isn't chasing her like he's exactly who this new version of himself is. And you can definitely see how 30 years later, we're still talking about this film and how it completely relates. And you can watch it today and its meanings and themes are perfect. I read something not too long ago that this was they consider this the perfect pandemic movie. So like, at the end of 2020. It's Groundhog Day, because that's what we were all living we were living with.
referenced a lot too, but not necessarily reference to go watch. But we're all living Yeah, every day to say like, Oh, I got that that data. And we should speak to that. That's a great moment. In the movie. We're hearing the Sonny and Cher track that comes on the sorry, I'm doing that, that that's what they're doing when he gets to the gobblers Hill. It's the Sonny and Cher track and what what is it again?
I got you but yeah, you know, and it starts with the line like put your tiny little hand in mine. Yeah, which is actually the film opens with his hand over the green screen doing the weather may you know kind of move. And if you listen to the where the lyrics are, it's literally the song is telling him what he needs to do. He needs to, you know, go out and help these other people are like there's no mountain we can't climb I think is the next verse. Basically saying teamwork with the two of them. So it's all again to Harold Ramis and the writer whose name escapes me, right now every single choice was completely thought through like they every every single thing that you see or hear is all part of Danny Rubin, just Danny Rubin. Yeah. Dave Rubin.
And this was his big break, you know, and he literally like almost basically like invented this type of thing, which now there's been like, hundreds of movies and hundreds of series that have like taken this but like, what's so great. It's like, there's when he comes out with the very first day that he's repeating, and he comes out and there's a lady that's like, Oh, Happy Groundhog Day. And he's like, didn't we? You know, he's confused. That's the music teacher that later we see him. Yeah, you know, he pays it. Yeah, we keep if you pay attention, every there's no revisit all play. Yes. And we get different. Everyone has their own character, and they have their own. They're having their own aspects of their own day. And it was really well done on how they do that, man. Frankly, if you just watch the movie and watch the people in the background, they're all there you see them, doing bad things and living their days.
One of them is the film debut of Michael Shannon who played Maryna young Wrestlemania. And that's later because he picked up on that but they're at the diner kind of she's having second thoughts about things about that's right about their marriage. So it's like he had enough time to finally get outside of his sphere and start focusing on like, yeah, okay, that's interesting. Like he's making a documentary or like, kind of like Truman Show in reverse. And so he's watching all of them was Truman Show? Yeah, there's a nice little comparison there. I watched that recently, too, but this this hits higher notes, just mortality and just, he went through this whole thing like I'm still don't care. I'm stuck here, I'm stuck here woe is me to how can I benefit from this? What can I do to make this more enjoyable? And then when he gets all the right things in order, all everything set up the right way. He gets what he wants, he gets,
like you said, living howler, or Yeah, it's heaven. I mean, he's a slave to the time warp at the beginning. And at the end, he is the master.
He's the master. And I love the ending, or near the end, because you do believe it's after the perfect day, which is what he's after. And the perfect night with the girl and just being together and there's a real kinship, they queue the song again, and we're all led to believe what
he didn't get out.
He's still there. Still there. But then how do we know? It's a great reveal?
amazes over and hits it hits that damn alarm clock. And you hear like DJs like, yeah, gotcha.
They cued it up for fun, but it's like, that was it. They probably thought long and hard. How are we going to do that? Bringing the song back having her go over him? Yeah, him realizing, Oh, my God, and he's changed. This isn't some facade, which is why it would have to be a while this is real change. It's not like I did that. And you know, if it was five days in, he still he's gonna fall back into the tracks that he built in his life all along. He's that guy, but he's a different guy more enjoyable. Yes. And it's not just about the girl. He's just happier in life. And it is a very, you know, madness. That way, the way madmen ends and if you're mad men guy ding Yeah, yeah. Aware Zen. And so yeah, I plan to revisit this more often because it had been a good while and just to see how strong of a movie it was it there may not be a better ramus and Marie together as far as longevity, although it's hard to say Caddyshack is up there. But just from all the like you said spiritual levels and and there's courses about it and teachings and philosophies but I highly recommend a great movie. Yeah. Anything else? You have any parting thoughts? Yeah, that
last scene apparently like they did 22 takes of that. They didn't just so many different tones. They wanted to get all the tones. Yeah, they were really questioning whether they should have consummated the relationship the night before. So I mean, held back I know they did it. Right. They did it right. They did. Because in you know she has that little line of like, Oh, why weren't you frisky like this last night? Yeah. But I guess he went around and was asking all the crew like should they should they have slept together like that. But they made the right choice. But I have heard stories too, that this movie was kind of found in the edit and advise me Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that they would have shot this just all these different ways and tried to make sure that when they got to where they were going that they had a disk and they did they it's Pitch Perfect. The tone to the last one is Pitch Perfect. And
to your point, the editing we have to commend it is incredibly well put together and you would have to find this movie at least and it's tight. It is tight, man. Yes. Please continue.
I know I was just gonna say you mentioned Caddyshack. I mean, has there ever been an actor and an animal comedy do than Bill Murray and the groundhog? I mean, there's two movies with going at it.
He's fighting the gopher and not fighting the groundhog. But they have scenes. In fact, I read that he was bitten a couple of times pretty bad. Yeah, to get rabies shots that surely happen. So don't drive angry was ad libbed? When the groundhog was kind of scurrying around the steering wheel. So but I gotta say the groundhog was not killed in that one scene. It was not. Not in the picture. That's
correct. That's great. Neither was Bill Murray. They're both alive. Neither was Bill Maher. Thank goodness, maybe 30 years later, the groundhog is expired. But yeah. Well, thanks
for coming. And joining me on this journey today. My pleasure, very fitting 30 years later Groundhog Day, six more weeks of winter. So without further ado, please enjoy Groundhog Day. So thank you so much for listening and please be sure to subscribe to the let's talk movies podcast and the let's talk movies YouTube Live Channel. You can also really help us by giving the show a five star rating on Apple podcast and for all your listeners that enjoy sharing your thoughts. You can leave us a review on Apple podcast, send us a direct message or post a comment on any let's talk movies social media platform. We also highly recommend checking out our other podcasts and visiting just curious media.com