[Ep. 29] How Individuals, Cultures, & Generations can Heal through the Power of Storytelling with Narrative Therapy Coach Lisa Harris

4:46PM Jan 17, 2022

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Susan Shannon

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I'm Susan Shannon, and you're listening to the restoring the day podcast.

Welcome back to the restoring the day show. Lisa Harris is on the podcast today. Lisa is an author, a storyteller and narrative coach. And she is the CEO and founder of Lisa Harrison company. And if you have recently seen that I participated in one of her unveiled beauty events this season, we did a speaking event, a virtual event. It was amazing collaboration. And I can't wait for her to tell you more about that. But before we dive into all the things, because I have so many questions, Lisa. So excited, go ahead and take this stage and tell us in your own words, who you are and what you do, and why you do that.

I love that in most spaces, that's called the elevator pitch. But I'm just gonna say I'm going to introduce myself, there you go. So, as Susan mentioned, my name is Lisa Harris, and I am the CEO and founder of Lisa Harrison company. So as she had mentioned, I am a narrative coach and a storyteller. And the platform that I have, is really to connect, guide and transform women's lives through the power of storytelling. So the work that I do as a narrative coach really does intertwine the elements of storytelling, how we can look at our lives as a story. And it also combines that with narrative therapy principles. And I know that something that we're going to talk a little bit about later, but it's a platform of personal growth and healing, really a space for women to do additional self empowerment and self growth work. And really to uncover elements of their lives where they can shift and change and really inspire others with the stories that they carry.

Amazing. And I just have to say, I think it you think about it at first and you're like, Wow, is that something I need or not? You know, and I remember one of the first events I attended with you, you just walked us through a really simple exercise of basically writing like almost a, what did you call it? Not like a manifesto, but what did you call it? It was like a,

I called it a personal invocation. But it's still prayer or an affirmation.

Yes, yes. And I come back to that exercise a lot. Because it was like my first introduction to Ken there. What role does Narrative Therapy principles? What role does that play in like your self growth process? And so being able to experience that firsthand was really cool. And I got like a window into what you do, and then attending the unveil beauty events as well, too, and seeing how you bring so many women together to tell their stories. What I mean, it's so powerful, and we still have unveiled beauty events. Obviously, the rest is zero. We'll talk about that. But talk yeah, go ahead and actually talk about why Narrative Therapy specifically for you, or why storytelling, why that particularly juicy, it was such a window into helping women.

Wow, it really for me goes back to when I launched this business back in 2016. It began with a poetry book that I had published. And that was, at the time I didn't realize it, but it was merely merely a vessel for the work that I would do today. And I started in 2017, creating events for women to share their stories. And that really came from my poetry book, not because of poetry, per se. But in doing poetry readings and book signing events. Women were drawn to the vulnerability of my work of my words. And because of that, they began sharing with me their stories. And I just really, in that moment, felt that women did not have a space to practice and to share themselves and the stories that have been dominant in their lives. And so in that moment, in 2017, I decided to not focus on just marketing my book But to create a stage for women to share. And so this journey began with just women sharing on stage. And that's when I realized began to realize the power of storytelling. And so it started with storytelling. And it started with women sharing their stories, which then actually encouraged me to share my personal story of childhood sexual abuse. And when I took the stage, and shared my story, it was in that moment that I actually realized the power of being witnessed by a community of women, the liberation that you feel when you release these emotions, the shame, the the sadness, when you release those emotions, and the power that that gives you, you're able to reclaim that power back from all of that. And so it really began with that journey. And in 2018, I decided to start really helping the women on that journey. So not just giving them the stage and, and mentoring them along the way, but really providing them tools and guidance, whether it was the healing part of that journey, how they tell their story, and really writing it. So it became this entire movement towards the power of sharing our story, and writing it and really healing and growing from it. So I think where I've landed with narrative therapy was kind of a surprise, because in 2019, I had met a therapist, who had told me that I was already doing narrative therapy. And I had never even heard of it. And I was like, really? Yeah, she told me about narrative therapy, and recommended that I meet with this. This gentleman here in the Twin Cities, and I met with him and he agreed that the work that I was already doing innately was a part of a lot of what they teach in narrative therapy. So I decided to go through a certification program and have really introduced and applied some of those ideas into the courses that I do. So like I said, it's a mashup between truly storytelling and how you can actually heal from the stories that you tell.

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well, and the beautiful thing is, as you're telling these stories, I'm putting pieces together to have all these great, like things that I've heard about your events from people I've rubbed shoulders with, like, oh, I told my story for the first time in at least Harris event, and I bawled my eyes out. And it was amazing, the transformation, you know, like, or something like that. And so putting these pieces together, seeing the impact that your events have had, that your courses have had, that your programs have had. Just incredible. So tell us a little bit about because people have maybe seen your name pop up, even if they followed me, because we've done an event together this year. So tell everybody about the unveil beauty series. And what specifically that is, it was virtual this year, because that's a storytelling event. So tell people about what that is and the vision behind that.

Yeah, so as I had mentioned, I began this platform with live storytelling events. So those who have been following me for years, know me through the live story of telling events that we do. And then obviously, when 2020 came around, we knew we still wanted to connect with more women. And that's when we launched. At the beginning of this year, we launched our official online events, and we started a little bit in 2020. And what I did this year was I wanted to create events that were led by women in our community, who could really open up space for other women to become more comfortable in sharing their stories, but also hearing different lived experiences, right. And that series was really meant for community of women to come together to share specifically around topics that have been the root of many of the stories that women come to me About. So throughout this year for 2021, we have 24. Co hosts. And we have six events. And we just finished up spring, which you so graciously co hosted our last one, right? Yeah, it was the last one last one. And we have our next one in September. So we're taking a little bit of a summer break. And then we have three this fall. So it's it's very, in some ways similar to our life storytelling events, in some ways not. But it really is a space for conversation around very specific topics, and are co hosts lead those conversations and share a little bit about how they can relate to that topic. We open it up for women to share how they relate to the topic. And then we also try and do a writing exercise or some sort of reflection towards the end of the event. So that's what we have. And we're excited because we will likely move forward with this into 2022. And we will also likely have a live storytelling event in 2022 as well. So yes,

I can't wait. They are such powerful, vulnerable events. As you can imagine everybody listening as you can imagine, they are beautiful. So I first heard of you, and this is fun, because I first heard your name and chatting with on a heated champion which if people are in the Twin Cities Minneapolis area that's where Lisa and I are beautiful human being but you guys were doing conversations on clubhouse specifically to about you know, it's which we're gonna have to get into our love hate relationship with clubhouse right now. But um, that's where I initially heard the conversations and was a part of put myself in those, those conversations talking about diversity, equality, and what it was like for to listen to the listening to the stories of women of color, especially those building businesses and working in the Twin Cities area in Minnesota, and beyond. And such a powerful way to first hear about you. So at first, I, what really struck me about you was your boldness and standing up for people of color building businesses, and living vibrant lives here in the Twin Cities and something beautiful. So can you talk to me about how that has played a role in what your company is and how you just how you operate and how you've grown a business? That way, tell us about your background to just kind of take that and run with it?

Yeah, of course. I am. multiracial is how I like to identify myself. And I have continued to struggle with how ident how I identify myself as a woman of color. That's a label and identity that I still haven't come to terms with for me specifically. And that's actually a topic of conversation that has happened many times in the spaces that Annika and I have been in. But for now, I identify myself as a multiracial woman. My mother is an immigrant from the Philippines who came to this country when she was 19. My father is Caucasian with Native American roots. I am the Kuta re Ojibwe from northern Wisconsin. So I am all sorts of things.

And can I just interject there, too? I love that, you know, I think we've talked about this too, is that it's okay, if there's not a label on it, like identifying as multiracial can be the thing. And that's perfect. Like, you don't have to fit in a box if you don't want to, I just had to inject the know you have talked about that before and how that can be an okay thing.

Yeah, and and labels are interesting. It's also something I talk a lot about in narrative therapy. Because we put labels on ourselves, the world puts labels on ourselves on each other. And sometimes we get stuck in those labels. And they can actually cause us a lot of struggles and challenges and within narrative therapy, it's a modality that really does believe that we are not our labels, and we are not our problems that that is separate than who we are. And so that's that's a whole nother conversation, but it's really important and a distinction. There are many reasons narrative therapy really does resonate with me and there are a lot of differences between narrative therapy and life coaching and traditional therapy. So that's something we could talk about a little bit later if we have time. Yeah. Um, but as it relates to, you know, race and diversity, that has always been really important to me, I grew up in a really small town in Wisconsin that was predominantly white. And as I mentioned, I'm multiracial. And so I didn't always see accomplished women of any kind, in my sphere. And at that time, in the 80s, I didn't really see much on television either. And so, early on, even in my book, all the women that are featured in my book are a wide variety of women, different ethnic backgrounds, different lived experiences, different shapes, and sizes. And it was important to me from the very inception of anything that I would do, that my platform would represent all women to the best of my abilities, that either there were words that resonated with their heart, or there were faces that they could see in themselves, or the women that they care about. And so that work has been at the heart of everything that I've done. And through our events, and the women who have shared their stories and team members, I have always been committed to delivering a diverse community of women. And up until this point, my platform is roughly 30 to 40% underrepresented women, and has always been, and I've definitely had people come to me on, you know how I've been able to deliver that. And the answer is building relationships and work. If you're committed to diversity, it is real, intentional, meaningful, hard work. Because when you are looking to connect partner with women of color, or underrepresented women, it really does start with trust. And we don't gain trust right away. That's something that we build on. So I'm very mindful about building relationships with different communities within our larger community. And that's been really important to me. So. So that is, you know, really has always been at the heart of heart of my business. I mean, at the end of the day, I have always existed at the inner at the intersection of so many things. So I find it very easy to have uncomfortable conversations, I feel mostly comfortable in different spaces.

And so so that's been just kind of the, the foundation of everything that I do. As it relates to the work that ANA hidden I have been working on back in 2020. I did an event under Lisa Harrison company that was called Life in our skin. And it was a space for underrepresented women who find themselves in between the black and the white community. And it is a really interesting space and an interesting collective of women who are somewhat sandwiched in the middle. And there's not a lot of conversations about these women. And these women struggle with not just being a woman of color, but their stories include immigration stories. Their stories include cultural stories, their stories often include interracial marriages, or relationships, whether that be what they're in, or, you know, there's a lot of biracial women that find themselves, you know, in the middle of those, those African American stories, those black stories and the stories of you know, white women. So it really is an interesting collective of women. And we began with conversations of women who felt that they identified with being somewhere in the middle. And we just wanted to have that conversation and talk about topics that were important to those women, specifically. And that's where it started. And then Anita and I decided to do some events on clubhouse, and we did do a zoom event recently, or this year, and we're still trying to figure out how we want to play that forward. But for both of us it's really important. Topic and conversation.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, so amazing. And I remember the first time I was at one of your events, you did a land acknowledgement actually. And I think you do these before every every event right? Yeah. And that blew me away. You know not it's almost it blew me away because that was the first time I had heard it. And I thought, why aren't more people doing this? And then I thought to myself, I'm just how you mentioned, if you want, you know, if you're running a business, if you want a higher level of diversity and inclusion, it takes work. It takes real intentionality, which we know, but like, you're proving that taking the steps, tell just for people who don't know, what is a land acknowledgement,

yeah, there's a lot more people doing land acknowledgement. And it's basically taking a moment, at the beginning of a meeting or an event, or any sort of Summit, it can be as casual as you and I having that acknowledgement or something more formal. And it's really just a moment to acknowledge the land that we live, breathe and do work in business on. So it's really an acknowledgment to our indigenous brothers and sisters. And that's the original background of really creating a land acknowledgement is to really just acknowledge the people and what they have gone through, and that we do work on this land. That was, and truly is, the indigenous people's land. So it's a way of honoring their culture, it's a way of healing, you know, wounds, deep American historical wounds. It's just, it's a beautiful gesture. And I've seen it in a couple places, what I hadn't seen is what I kind of changed mine into was, you know, obviously 2020 brought a lot of conversations about race and equity. And, you know, justice, there's so many conversations that happened in 2020. And it was important for me in 2020, as I was doing online events to bring this to the forefront of everything that I was doing. I like that I still have it in all my events, because it's a small way for me to keep that reminder, because I know some of these conversations have gone to the wayside. Some people continue to push forward and have larger leadership roles, as a relates to race and equality and inclusion. And some others have tried to figure out where they want to be in that conversation, or how involved they want to be in those conversations. And I respect all of that. For me, personally, I wanted to make it at least something that is a constant reminder. And so what I did in my acknowledgement is I formally in the beginning of my online events, and I will do this my live events as well is I acknowledge the land that we are having our event on. I acknowledged slavery as a part of our, our history, and I also acknowledge immigration. So it's a way of acknowledging what truly does make this country diverse. So I acknowledge all three of those formally at the beginning of my events.

Yeah. Thank you so much for taking a second to talk about that. Because I love this conversation, obviously. And it's a conversation that, like you said, we don't just have once in a while, it's an ongoing thing, and hearing how you're incorporating it as well in your business. I just, I'm excited for anyone listening to to just listen and hear how you're doing it, hear how different people are doing it, how they're incorporating, how they're acknowledging. That's why this country is diverse. And all of these people make up America, all of them, all of them. So and their stories need to be heard and told. So that reminds me and people are listening on their audio, but I can see you and I do I see your book. So talk to us about your book, because that's filled with beautiful stories. And so maybe share a little bit about that. And can we pick up a copy all that stuff? Talk to us about your book?

Yeah. So I released my book at the end of 2016. It's a coffee table book, and it has its full color. It has fashion photography and poetry. And I like to say my poetry is bite size stories. That's where I began writing from is from, from poetry. That's where I began practicing my vulnerability and you sing my words. And so the fashion photography enhances the stories of the poems. And all of the models are everyday women. And it includes love and romance, love and heartache, but also includes women's issues. So I do cover sexual abuse, domestic violence, women's empowerment, diversity, motherhood, are all poems that you can find in my book. And it's available on Amazon. It's called unveiled beauty and written stories from aquatic art, by Lisa Harris.

I love that. So everybody go get that on Amazon, you just hear her to hear. i Okay, I want to like this is so much beautiful, beautiful location. Ah, and I'm curious, because this is a part of your story that I don't really know. Talk to me about where the fashion aspect comes in. Because I've heard you mentioned going to fashion shows before and your love for that. So like, let loose and tell us all about that.

Well, for those who don't, who don't know, me, which I'm sure is, you know, a reasonable amount, or if not all of you, um, My professional background before exploring entrepreneurship was I spent almost 20 years in corporate retail buying and retail business development. So all the categories for the businesses that I managed and bought for were in fashion and beauty. So I have, most recently in corporate was a buyer for cosmetics. Prior to that it was, you know, apparel, and apparel and accessories. And yeah, that's I mean, that's my, that's my background, prior to all of this. And when I actually launched my book, it was a fashion show. So my book launch was a fashion show, and I have here in the Twin Cities produced produced to sold out fashion shows since I started. And it was really a creative space for me to merge my poetry with fashion and the fashion community here in the Twin Cities. So my fashion show was local designers, they would custom design dresses that embodied the character of the poem. Hmm, wow. Wow, it was it was amazing. My last fashion. I mean, I'm sure I'll do one to get there a lot of work a lot. Yeah. And yeah, it's it was it was really, really amazing. My last fashion show was in 2018. And yeah, so that's my, that's my, my fashion side of it. Yeah. Okay. So many fashion shows like locally, and, you know, and New York, LA and Vegas for like, as long as I can remember. Yeah. And that is just

amazing, as taking your loves, and it's putting together in such a beautifully harmonious way gives me all the fields for real. So I actually want to bring this full circle for people listening. And let's like get our hands dirty. Let's like roll up our sleeves a little bit. Are you ready for this? Oh, yes. choice. But I just had this question come to my heart and my mind because this has come up. It comes up in conversation. And I think it comes up in our feelings as women sometimes. What is your response as well kind of your heart for women who think that maybe their story doesn't feel like it matters? You

know, like I in the most simplest form, I want to say clearly that it does, right. We are here to live life. And we exist in this space together. And I think it's really important, especially for the women who are mothers to know that validating, owning and embracing our story is also how we are going to how our legacy carries on and how we transfer and pass on to our children and future generations. So what we do with our stories, how we see our stories, how we grow from our stories, how We heal from our own stories is powerful, it is important. We matter if we believe our children matter, then we have to believe that we matter. Because our children come from our womb come from our heart. They come from love. And so simply, yes, your story matters. But it's much bigger than that. It's really much bigger than than that. And especially for women, I just, women are the heartbeat of the world, we literally give life. And until we start to see ourselves on that pedestal, it's harder for us to be able to transfer all of that power to the future generations. Yeah, we have to heal our wounds, we have to, we have to fix our relationships with ourselves and with other, you know, people in the community or people in our family, there is so much healing that can happen in the world, if women can help each other to heal.

Yes. And I'm rubbing shoulders as well, each week with people who want to be able to start passion projects, or entrepreneurs who want to be able to have their niche better reflect who they are and what they can do. And what I see too, is that myself included, you were reaching for what makes sense. But answers come when we look inside, and we tell our own story. And we realize what have I been through that really truly impacts you know, someone else or how I take on projects or how I nurture how I, how I do things, how does my story effects, my strengths, my weaknesses, how I come together in the community, and all these things, like understood being willing to look at our story and actually be brave enough to tell it we discover so much.

Yeah, and I would say to the work that I do with women in my courses, and with narrative therapy, is trying to guide those women. And not only sharing our stories, but from healing from them, right. So when I look out in my community of entrepreneurs and women who are boldly practicing vulnerability, they there are so many that are still trying to heal through the stories they're telling. And not only healing through them, but flipping them. And so a lot of the work that I do in narrative therapy, is helping them shift those stories. Acknowledging the things that have happened in their lives are the relationships or the self belief, acknowledging the journey that's existed, right, acknowledging that, and then uncovering other moments in our lives that were really powerful, that were really positive, that were really healthy. And then also shifting those old stories to now come from a more positive and healthy space. And so when the women do share their stories, or they do write their stories with me, we get to the point where that original story is now retold in a way that can benefit them, and inspire others. So I don't want women to just be so vulnerable, that they're giving themselves completely away without understanding where they sit on their own healing journey with their story. Yeah, because your story is also a gift. Your story is a gift, it's a gift to give, and it's a gift to receive somebody's story. So growing, healing from your own story, before you give it all away is so important as a part of your journey, so I help women to to make that distinction between just giving it all the way and understanding what their story really means and how to like heal from their story before they give it to the world.

I love that and that is that rings true so so so much. Several years ago when I started and I'll just self declare I'll be vulnerable here for a second right. When I started health coaching, I was taking on clients I was fresh out of a certification was so excited. A couple clients in I started to actually notice I'm sharing my story that I actually I've not fully healed from you know my disorder. eating patterns at the time, like I was spreading things that might have been good, but it was coming from something where in my heart, I knew my story wasn't been done being told in that way yet, I needed to come back, I need to heal, I needed to really go back and look at the fullness of my story in its entirety before I was in a healthy place to come back and really look at that as well. So that's where like, that resonates with me that it's like, that does ring true. We don't need to feel like, I love how you said, we don't get, we don't need to give it all away. It's a gift. It's a gift, that once we heal, really, truly, then that narrative flips to be able to help others. And I love that.

Yeah, and it is it is really powerful. Because then it's, you're controlling the story, because you're in a position to tell it in a way that empowers you. And so that's where reclaiming your power, empowerment control comes into the story. Yeah. And what I say to women, like, I never want women to bury gloss over, not talk about what it is that they're struggling with. I want them to completely 100% acknowledge it, and then shift how they tell that story to themselves. In the end, even though the world is telling us to practice vulnerability, and women are boldly sharing more, which is so powerful, because it helps others not feel alone. Sometimes if we're not mindful of how we tell that story. It can be I don't want to say harmful, but it can be discouraging to those who are listening, because they also want to know that you've gone through it, you've overcome it. You see your life in a new way. And I think that's where you can really help others isn't that isn't that space after the healing. But it's not to say that we're ever completely healed. So right up there who are like, Okay, well, I mean, we can have this conversation, and I can say, I'm still practicing, I'm still growing, I'm still healing. But I'm also acknowledging that I'm just sharing pain, on top of pain on top of pain is not helpful, either. It's a balance between where you are on your own personal growth and healing journey, especially when you're doing the work that the two of us are doing. I think it's important for me to acknowledge that I am continuing to grow and heal. But I also acknowledge that I'm in a much better space, and I have the tools to be able to help myself and to help others.

Yeah. Oh, so concise. Thank you for sharing that. You know, really, too, yeah, it's, it's clear, and it's beautiful. And if applicable. I'm curious, if you were to like, let's imagine everybody listening in on this podcast, like, sitting in front of us being able to make eye contact with them, you know, really, they're sharing this piece of our lives with us right now, whether they're listening in their car, or they're putting their makeup on in the morning and imagining that with me, what is the takeaway and actionable thing that somebody listening today, if they're really being impacted that they could be like, I can take action on this one little baby thing today. I would say,

to take one thing, that's a negative replay that's going on in your mind and rewrite it. So the example that I want to share right now, and I've shared it in my courses as well, is for so long for most of my life, almost my entire life. I've always said life is really hard. I've said life is really hard. I come up with excuses reasons to validate that statement. I will go up and down and you know, but at the end of the day, life is really hard. That is what I always told myself. And one day I remember saying it and I I didn't like it. I didn't like the way it sounded. The more I said it, the more I just felt like life was hard. And so one day I decided that I was going to change that. And it took me a while to decide what that guy was going to do. Because I literally have been saying this my whole life. So I decided that I was going to change that narrative, that one simple sentence. And I was going to start saying to others to myself, in posts, whatever. That life is beautifully complex. And the more that I said, life was beautifully complex. Life did not seem so hard. You So if there's one thing in your life that's just feels heavy, whether it's how you feel about your body or the relationship you have with your mom, or a job, or whatever it is just write that sentence, that recording that keeps going off in your mind and literally sit down and shift some of those words, so that that sentence can now come from a more positive place. And I think if you start seeing that one sentence, you will be able to see and feel the power that is behind changing our narratives. So great.

Yeah, so everybody listening, if you are in a place, not driving, or operating heavy machinery, but you're if you're in a place where you can rate write down how you would reframe that one thing in your life that feels hard or heavy, and how you would retell that story to yourself. And then practice saying that as well. mazing. And if you're not in a place where you can write it down, practicing it out loud.

I love that. Thank you, Lisa.

So you have you have a seven day course, obviously, we have the fall events of the unveil VT beauty project coming up. So give us a quick rundown on how people can stay connected with you. And if narrative therapy with Lisa Harris is calling their name, which I know for somebody it is, how can they take the next step with you?

Yes, so we have everything. We're on break right now, basically, and in September, we are going to be restarting our courses. So uncover your truth is the only access point to our courses, and our coaching and uncover your truth is where we begin this journey by creating your life timeline. And that is the starting point for most of the women who work with me. And we have September, October and November dates. And those are all available on my website, WW dat, Lisa Harris and co.com. And so that would be under Annville. Beauty is all of our coaching. And then we have our online events which start up again in September. And we have September, October and November events. And I'm really excited about that we're going to be talking about self beliefs. We're going to be talking about careers and our superpowers. And we're also going to be talking about motherhood. So round out the end of the year with those topics. I'm sure I'm missing something, but I can't.

Okay, perfect. So uncover your truth is that something that's available now that people can jump in, you said that's the access point to being able to get in and keep moving forward, if you and your programs so available right now?

It is it starts in September, but people can go ahead online and register for it, there is if that's where we start off, kind of looking at our life. And then there's other programs that come after that. But that is the entry point. That's step one of our journey together.

So that that's so well laid out at least I love that. Also, I was gonna throw this in there, too. What I found fascinating, and you mentioned this, in passing, maybe it was at a co host event, but you were saying that all of the topics for Annville beauty events throughout the series are based off of like, most commonly had conversation topics that you have with your clients and people in your community. Correct? Yeah. Which is amazing. Like, that's you said, Hey, a lot of people want to talk about these things. So literally, we're going to take one event per topic, and we're going to cover it so that's amazing.

Yeah, I mean, honestly, most women come into my space thinking their story or their challenge or their struggle is one thing and they leave my course recognizing something completely different. And that new space that they land in, is where most of the topics that we talk about at our events

are amazing. And I you know, I had a conversation recently with somebody too about like some of this work I just, it almost feels like I'm scared to start it because it feels like it's gonna be take so much my energy like it feels like it's gonna be such hard work such deep work. And I wanted to say to it is deep work, but the energy that you get from reframing your story and retelling it is life giving. It's like the deep work is there with the accompanied like amazing freedom that comes with that and a whole new perspective on life as well too, which is worth maybe a little bit of discomfort It takes to step into that

space right away, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's really, it's really freeing. It's, it's powerful stuff. And honestly, when you, when the big aha start opening up for you, it just releases so much of the negative energy. I mean, I could go on and on about case studies and examples of women that I've worked with that they were focusing all this energy on a specific event or challenge or struggle, and because of that, they were unable to see it's something deeper within them. That was holding them back. But also, that was like, extremely powerful. I mean, there's so many, so many stories. Oh, my gosh,

I could go on forever. I know, it's, I want you to

Oh, I just worked. I just I've been working with these three gals. Right now. We've gone through uncover your truth, and are now working with me one on one. And the only way to work with me one on one is to go through that initial course. And I mean, the things that we are diving into are just so beautiful. And I like no 100% for a fact, neither of them would have gotten to this place, they would have been working on something else. Yeah. It's just amazing. I love my work. Wow.

And I love really shoulders with your work and getting to witness it. And I'm so grateful that I got to be a part of the unveiling series and I cannot wait for more. So, so excited. Lisa, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. Thank you, thank you for sharing little pieces of your story, your work, just all the amazing things and offering so many real life applications to people as well to listening in I know people are going to walk away from this with, with things to think about and a reframe even just from listening in. Does that make sense? Like just a reframe, even from that from being able to hear this conversation. So thank you so much.

Thank you. I'm so delighted to be in community with you. Thank you so much, Susan. I appreciate you