yeah, such a good question, even as you're saying that, I want to preface this with I don't know everything you know, and it's quickly changing, especially the internet, right? Like word spreads quickly, but I think that we're changing so quickly, and this podcast, five years ago, we would have had something different. And even talking in your class once a year, I change my info a little bit each year, and that's just, you know, 365, days. And so as we sit here in like, late 2024, this podcast on this topic could be so different in five years or 10 years at least, you know. And so as of right now, it's, I think, I also think folks are maybe a little worried to be like, I'm not using the right terminology, so I shouldn't be talking about it. And I think it's really like, Let's encourage people to just talk about it. We're going to make mistakes. We're going to say the right thing or the wrong thing, whatever. And what I use for terms of my body, my. Be different from you, from every person who's listening, and so I think that's a big piece of it, right? Is like the verbiage is changing so quickly that it's okay to make a mistake. And that goes for a lot of things, anyways, but we've really moved away from, like, as a collective unit. I think we, a lot of us, have moved away from this sort of body positivity thing. I think that was where we started, right? It was like, This is what we needed. That's absolutely what I had on my website. And then as we learn new terms and new meanings, we change those things, right? So body positivity, you know, it's a good place to start if people aren't sure of the language, and it can come across and Sonia Renee Taylor talks about this in the body's not an apology about how it can be toxically positive to go that route. And we kind of know what that is, as counselors and therapists, and because your body is it is just you know your body to not maybe we don't want to encourage this sort of preoccupation with just like appearance. Only, you know, body positivity. Some days we don't like our bodies. You know, some days I'm like, Oh, my back hurts and I just slept wrong. You know, especially as we get older, like, some days we don't love our bodies. Sometimes, you know, cramps hurt worse for for people with periods, sometimes, you know, our joints hurt. Sometimes we're not, you know, oh, I could do that hike a year ago, but I can't do that hike today. I need to, like, work up muscle on it, or whatever it is, or not, everybody's body has the ability to do everything. So I think when we're focused on body positivity, you're like, it's positive, and it doesn't make us question the societal issue and oppression of, like, anti fatness, right? And that mizia, I learned, I forgot who it was, and I'm so sorry, and I want to cite this person. It was one of my first races conferences, but they had said, instead of like, fat phobia, that fear of is that mizia is the Latin for hatred of, so it's really, like fat mizia. So instead of like, transphobia, homophobia, it's queer mizia. And so I thought that was a really cool thing to learn that like, yeah, people are afraid of being fat for, you know, ridiculous reasons we can get into. But I think, like, we need to question those systems, and not just like, my body's great. Some days my body's not great. Some days she's great. I love her. But I think that preoccupation with individuality when really it's a system of, like, hating fat people that we need to work on, right? And then the terminology of fat liberation, I you know, it's not about like, people that the O word, which I'm not even going to say in here, right? That the O word that people don't use, it's tied to BMI. It's very much like, you know, well, we don't want to be that. And you're like, Okay, first of all, everybody's bodies are different, and there are so many worse things to be than like, what your body looks like, you know. So when we talk about fat liberation, we're not like, I don't think people should be encouraging anybody to be like in a certain body. Like, sometimes your body just is what your body is. And like, we also have genetics and like, you know, it is just like where our bodies are at sometimes. And trauma can change our body. And positive thing, like positive experiences can change our bodies. So fat liberation is really, like, allowing people to just, like, be in their bodies as they are as humans, so that we're not putting so much focus on, like, how you look, you know? Yeah. So I think, I think that's a big piece of it, but there is, yeah, diet culture goes into that as well. And I think the other word that you said was, like, that anti fatness, right? It's that. It's this, like, last thing that we can make fun of people about, which is terrible. You know, in media, we're like, goodness, if you, you know, make jokes about other identities, like, it's never been okay, but it's, it's that sort of, like, you can still make fat jokes, which is ridiculous. And so that's that kind of anti fatness that it you know, that we keep seeing in the media, and I think it is changing. I was talking with a friend about, I don't know if anybody's watching bridgerton, so spoiler, but just seeing folks of all different body sizes, and the season, it was, it was fun to say I know that the actress has talked about not wanting to focus on her body. And I love that. And it's nice to see like a tummy in, like a sex scene on bridgerton, and I watched it for the first time, and I sobbed because I was like, oh, in my mid 30s, I've never seen that in, like a lead actress of a show in a sex scene, and like her tummy looks like mine. Was great. So I think that's hopefully where we're moving to,