2023-08-03 WCU Steering Committee

    1:56AM Aug 4, 2023

    Speakers:

    Harpreet Chima

    Robert H. (WCU)

    Chris (WCU)

    Keywords:

    people

    dsa

    talk

    work

    meeting

    guess

    democrats

    membership

    vote

    organizing

    fine

    riley

    email

    democratic party

    tenant

    teamsters

    post

    contract

    critiques

    landlord

    Okay steering committee meeting August 3, contract three. First, we're just going to go through all the stuff that we have on the backburner that we may have forgotten about. That isn't the backburner that we should either finalized or must.

    Riley says the educational stuff. Onboarding?

    Yeah, I guess that we need to is the new meeting. So my psyche days and times for membership committee, and application committee meetings. Riley also to Josh suggested that the least one of the readings for like this will be the last reading for the ABCs of capitalism. Yeah, select A's or do you focus campaign? Well, I think for now, maybe we'll be okay with one time on for all of them. And then we can expand from there as we need. But I think obviously, all this stuff shouldn't be ongoing online nowadays. And then, I think at least me and Riley talked to we talked about having like a WhatsApp group. The WhatsApp communities don't actually share your phone number. So it is pretty present. So we'll set one up and then just have a link on the forum. We're asking you to put like a calendar link on the forum that's a bit easier to access. Many groups, I think we can set that up in the WhatsApp group. We can set up a membership voting or anything, but we have it set up before the meeting. And then we'll invite everyone to that. Anything else for old business? Wanted to talk about the what are they now? Oh, yeah. Yeah. What do you guys think about meeting times there? Apparently, it's only six. Right? And push everything to six.

    I feel like six probably be better. I don't know. Seven is fine. Sometimes. But yeah, sometimes I won't be able to make seven so Yeah, six. I want Riley to be able to be here. If possible, I mean, I just don't want it. I don't want anyone to be stuck at work and feel like they can't make it.

    Yeah, 530 is definitely too early. All right, six, seven. Yeah, you're getting late. Like I think six you can say okay, I'll pause on dinner until after the meeting. But yeah, seven to eight. You can't really do that anymore

    six would be better. Okay. Keep it a six we can bring it up at the meeting. So if people want to maybe like the online one can be even later because it is online. So you can like prep dinner set your computer started at seven or something?

    Yeah, that's fine. So that's something

    you should bring up okay, so change time of the online only meeting Yeah, online only meeting later town park 7pm And then we're not meeting afterwards anyway. So that's fine. Okay, and then for some setup stuff

    okay, so I was looking into voices of the working class and we're talking about like either keeping things separate or together so I looked at some of like the other blogs like the you know, like a lot of companies will have like a a company blog, I guess that's kind of meant to like, onboard you into their little organization. Like the main like, you know, like conduits which is like a continuous blog talks about like online work and productivity should die management, but their whole point is just to like, get you to, you know, buy to do this and see if their stuff is separate, or it's a part of it. Yeah, there's a separate list of what they're doing, like twisting off and stuff. Anyways, so if you do, if you do ghost, that is probably the easiest. You know, everything's kind of automated for you. And then if we send out the, I guess the question is, do we want voice of the working class.com? Or if we want voices dot working class unity.com. There's no real. The only benefit of it is it increases like the deliverability of working class unity.com, since we'll have more emails coming in, that are like not spam, and aren't just like the random meeting ones. I don't know how much that really matters. And then it's the same domain. So people will likely be less confused, I guess. But people may also be confused about, you know, voice is that something versus voice of the working class. But I think the primary thing I want to bring up is I think you should treat it as a way to funnel people into the org. And not as a separate, like, not a separate thing, where we're like, oh, we need to do this to like, raise awareness of corruption or whatever, like, everyone knows everyone's corrupt. We want, like, we want to funnel people into the org, in that would likely mean that we're like, you know, like, we should try to have an agenda between behind our posts. So even like the worker ones, you know, it's kind of funneling into our labor work. On this branch, I don't think we need autonomous, righteous doing things.

    And I feel like I don't like I guess I would disagree that it should be totally autonomous, because we don't have like the capacity to have like a newsroom or whatever. So whatever we're doing our labor posts, like afterwards, you're gonna do like, Oh, we're also trying to do live organizing here funnel here are for talking about corruption about something. She finally into an effort that we're trying to do, or it's not been a general thing of, hey, this person screw up, like, join us, because we're not surprised once we can put up a thing of like, we're being independent, the Democratic Party, then it's, you know, an end to that or whatever. But having said that, on the discussion on the domain, I guess it can go either way. Voices of the working class.com and voices that working class unity.com voices class unity.com. Yeah. And I think besides like, the email deliverability rates, I don't think it matters much. Maybe people like remember their domain more, and maybe they're more likely to be like, Oh, I'm good. Check that working class unity. Like, like, I guess we can do a lot of that. Like, even with our let's see, what else could we have? Like, if we have like paperwork for tenants? Like, like, like, not a big book? But I guess Yeah, if we had like a big book, or if we had sounds like it's our voice. Yeah, that's true.

    Yeah, I think it could be a separate domain, it just, it should all be linked to get like it down. Maybe the resources could be dot working class unity. And then that newspaper could be it's not autonomous entirely, but more like, yeah, it's just a separate domain.

    I don't think it matters. Yeah. Okay. I'll set up hosting for it. That's like one quick thing. And let me set up and then for the emails from that, yeah, again, I think this will be like a committee discussion. Separately, but um, yeah, either like, because if you set it up like a newsletter, then I think it emails out like every single post. Like, oh, wait, like the way it goes works is like you don't have to actually set up like a separate Let me see. Never use that. Yeah, like you don't have to set up a entirely separate like email, like when meanwhile, we email out to membership, email, like if you're going back to network, and like, draft the email and like format and everything separately, but with ghosts, once you write up a post, the same formatting of the post will can automatically just be emailed out. So it's not time consuming. And I mean, that's how newsletters work these days. It's just every post gets emailed out into the newsletter. So I guess that's a little bit since it's just easiest to do. posts plus email at the same time to our, our membership or on a reading list Okay, so guess what do that then domain voices of the working class.com on your flight via T wc.com available Yeah, shorthand that isn't very long.

    I mean, yeah, like you said that it's more to like get priority in a search algorithm

    pwc.com Yeah. I don't think very many people actually pay

    Yeah, exactly.

    They'll sign up on something email and they'll probably get to it in social media anyways. Okay, for people all business I guess. And then for tenant organizing. And organizing sorry, but let's go doesn't teamsters thing teamsters or strike pledge okay, we still need to still need to put up the like petition that we should have out there like the generic one even if it's not the teamsters one for like standing with union workers I feel like we should do it just because in case another union does go on strike with the Kaiser nurses did maybe they're willing to like email us too. And so like one three and what's his face? Then the New Democrat on the Council on TV tonight times what's his name?

    Besides don't remember.

    He's from the crime family

    Have you have you branded up Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess that would just be the purpose of putting out like the strike quite a support thing for the team sort of thing. Like I said, we could put something out. I think Socialist Alternative through work through workers strike back, they are advocating for a novo. DSA has taken no official stance I think a couple of other like locals in the teamsters have come out with a no vote but a lot of people are also voting yes. The dynamics are basically that like it's growing the part timers and part timers at least half the people in the union. So it's likely to pass anyways. And I don't know how much effort you want to put into it before it passes. I think we have a couple of weeks before it passes or before voting time is over. So I mean, what do you guys think like like we obviously don't have any teachers in our group and don't have any team she's like follow us. I would appreciate it and I was talking to Robbie earlier and we can make it just like a critique of the contract like you know recommend like we would recommend voting now but we also understand why people would vote yes because you don't want to

    Yeah, yeah.

    You know, like you don't want to be like Don't be evil and vote yes. You know, obviously like that sounds want to say because people are happy with it. So let me just have like critiques and particular contracts I should also critiques of how the union leadership has acted so far like they've been clean and transparent about their deal making and and yeah, maybe we just leave it at that but obviously should go through membership. approval so hopefully we can have a draft out by the next meeting so everyone can read it and vote on it, I guess. Okay, how many Okay, so repeat your contract we

    just saw the says heat mitigation features in the contract. I didn't notice that the first time.

    Yeah, it's like that, like AC is in our trucks, but it's like it's not going to happen anytime soon.

    Yeah, it says UPSL by air conditioned delivery vans starting next year and will add heat mitigation features to existing fleet. Yeah, there should be fans from whatever that's That's such a funny I mean it's good that there's fans but I imagined they had fans or at least some of them had fans.

    Yeah being someone had fans already but it was Yeah, I mean there is word like it's all gonna be all after a certain date and they're like the trucks last for a while and you can imagine them just placing orders for a bunch of trucks like even if the trucks don't arrive for like another year we'll place a bunch of orders right before the deadline and their fleet is fine for like a while

    95,000 trucks pretty much all of them from what I could tell

    yeah so yeah, so take the contract where we think you fell short where we think is short and where they are spreading truth we think it's fair to fight for it knew the problem is like there were so many talks about like oh the part timers are getting get them 25 gonna get them 25 Like the drivers like some of the drivers have already come on be like hey, this is for us this is for the part timers because we already covered and then you guys buck the part timers anyways, you know. Yeah. And critiques of the labor union leadership and what everyone should expect from their labor unions, which is like a which I think is really where our places like what you know, like Yeah, critiquing labor union ship leadership should like which is being a lot more transparent with membership and what they were doing now. Anything else old? I guess something is go to like old meetings like what are we talking about?

    Right Yeah, I agree. Really? Saying that 20 ones are enough and we should say that in a critique that is a

    pride compatibility that they got a too much

    but the full timers complaining oh

    I don't know. Oh.

    Our cameras get paid too much.

    Gotcha.

    Because they do the same work. Yeah. Yeah, I guess address that part timers get paid what? Full time they also don't understand how they will all become part timers. part timers, they're gonna just make you all part time. Yeah,

    I feel like that was the move, or at least seemed like that was the move was to just make part time seem more appealing.

    Yeah, I haven't. I mean, I haven't kept up with all of it. And I think there was some stuff in the contract where like, they're ready to fuck you later on. You guys aren't careful. And yeah, that is also just kind of a anti labor talking point that you hear a lot from, that makes sense. People internalize and stuff, you know, like someone, someone working for four hours or working for eight. They should get paid 50%, not 30. But people internalize it, you're not working as hard. You know, a lot of it's like, oh, they have so much more free time. You know, they're not dedicating their work to the job or whatever. And so they deserve to be paid less, which is kind of shit.

    I got screwed over by a school district doing that. I know that's part of the pizza labor union thing too, is they just screw you over by giving you eight non contracted hours and then say you're not full time. And then you don't get health benefits.

    Okay. Or Education Committee? Look at somebody's case. I don't forget my education committee, the ABC the cap, capitalism. Now I'm second guessing capitalism or socialism. So Riley brought this up and I think it's a good idea. We should do one of these in person. I'm not available on or I might not be available on the Friday. So like, Robbie, do you know if the rooms open on the night? Wednesday? Like an in person reading groups.

    I think it should be I can double check though.

    Okay. So right now I'll leave it but for right now I'll say like on the ninth we should just do it in person. It's like the ending of ADC series, reading the second half of their book. And I think it's kind of a I haven't read it yet. But it's kind of a combination of everything else. So we can kind of review everything. And then like the end talking point is like, why don't workers actually like, just organize and fight back on their own. And those are ideas that the left in general has been grappling with, with no good answers. And then the new left was like it was because of all bigots, and they don't understand anything. And then other people say it's, everyone's very atomized. And the most, like, the most likely thing is not to risk your livelihood, to try to unionize, it's to keep your head down and just, you know, do a study of a job as you can while maintaining your job basically. So we can like address that, and kind of what we'd want to do going forward. So August 9, reading group will be in person. Again, I don't think I can do the ninth or the 11th. So is anyone else available on the 11th to take over? It will be online. And I mean, everything will be practically I don't even know if anyone I show up, but okay to do. Okay. Riley will take over the All right, thank you. And then after, after this is over, I think, a couple of weeks, or I will take a couple of weeks to really go over all the old slides because we got a lot of feedback. And then I think we were talking about changing it from being a reading group because people I think are really turned off by having to read and turn it into just we didn't come up with a good name for it, but like they seminar or something. Discussion. Yeah, like, yeah, I don't know. Like, like, No, I don't want it to sound like a class, but it is a class.

    discussion, group discussion, group, knowledge sharing,

    knowledge

    sharing, like,

    I feel like people are intimidated by feeling like that, but come and participate. And they, you know, like, maybe they'd be more comfortable just being like, come and just knowledge will be dumped at you. And then you can see if you agree or disagree, and we can obviously, I mean, we will turn it into a discussion group for sure. But do we want to call it something else? That may be more

    was the fireside chat?

    Birth? Those are one way.

    That's what they like Education Meeting like that's

    okay. Patient meetings. Seminar. Learning Session. You should come up with some learning we can we can throw to the general membership. See if someone come up with something.

    Brunch. So bring cookies.

    Advocate longbranch branch Yeah, yeah. Okay. Something like that. Because, yeah, I mean, I had a few friends who were like, I want them to come. And they're not let these at all. But they were very put off by like, like, we don't have time to read anything. And so they just like, wouldn't come to meetings. And like every meeting, it was like, it was just me doing the whole lecture like on the half of the book anyway, so there was like no point like he didn't have to read really, and even though we said it people like don't actually read the posts and there's like reading group now. Okay, I'm gonna look through some old posts. If anyone else thinks of something, let me know. Post repartee pledge. Yeah. Okay, so practition just as a general thing, we should build a build a contact list of all the local Union's database

    I can get started with what I have. But we should start filling that out. And maybe we should maybe we can spit it out. Maybe you put it out and ask the union to fill out a form or something in case they want to be like in a loop with us. Um, okay. Okay, other stuff that is on here. farmworker outreach. I don't think we're gonna do that at the moment. I message our local teachers contact about the new contract and he didn't respond back so I don't know what's going on there. Ah, okay. The new business membership pipeline but blog will do membership meeting. Um Okay, I think that was it. Yeah. for tenants stuff.

    Yep. Looks right.

    Okay. Um, and then community cleanup bulk of that. Okay. And organizing can be its own business, I guess, cleaning business. All right, and then organizing.

    So quick discussion. So we've, I mean, the feedback we got from the area was that shootings are kind of the most like, top priority. I mean, oh, the few people we talked to they brought up shooting, then to be honest, people, by default will bring up like violence as their top concern, even if it's not really directly affecting them. Just because it is obviously a very big concern for people. I talked to some folks about how we could possibly address it ourselves. They're basically like, You got to kind of you got to build the union up a little bit. So you have some sense of community, and people that you can talk to and more depth than just at their door. Figuring out like, who the community leaders are, like, if they're to go to church, which probably they do. So like ministers or something that you can go to, to bring in like a larger congregation. Or we can like risk going to a nonprofit, that would be willing to step in. But then you basically try, like an eviction thing on it. So it's causing trouble on the community. So you kind of forced them out. But that does involve the community confronting them. And then, and then, you know, hopefully, you have enough community cohesion where it keeps folks out, basically, because in trouble, at the same time, there was a carjacking this weekend, or like two days ago, or something that resulted in another police officer getting shot or if the carjacking was there. Or if the police officer chased and then ended up in that neighborhood and then got shot. I don't remember the details. But that was like across the street from the park we were at, which is across the street from or not endorsed. So personally, I'm okay with us continuing organizing there. Because if we're going to shy away from any place with violence, we're basically shutting ourselves out of like, a lot of stock. And, yeah, and like if especially if we're going to be organizing in poor and working class communities, that's just how it is. I think we should probably talk about kind of just safety precautions to take you know, perhaps we are polling or something. So we're not all taking like a bunch of cars into the neighborhood for afraid of that. And, you know, really sticking to by to whenever a door knocking. You can take precautions like that. But yeah, what are your thoughts about either continuing or not? If you do continue English do or not?

    I mean, I'm fine with continuing doing it. I just think we just need more information. Maybe if we know someone in the neighborhood, which might just require continuing to do the onboarding process, because it'd be nice to get someone in the organization that knows a neighborhood. I don't care if that's not even that it's unsafe, necessarily. It's more like, is it even worth mobilizing there?

    The barriers higher there? So yeah, well, I was sorry, I was gonna say okay. I was gonna say, we could, you know, we could put out like, we could do our due diligence and put out like, you know, like, we were saying, make another flyer of like, we can was here like, a couple weeks ago. And then be more direct about, we're wanting to form like a tenant union here. Do like a survey, like, have you had problems with the landlord? Or with the HOA? What are your concerns, like, what needs to be fixed, etc. And then just do that kind of survey there and that kind of door knocking there and see what kind of response we get. And if it turns out, most people are like, happy with the HOA, and they don't have a problem. And the real problem is just like, it's just the violence in the community, then, you know, they're probably not going to want to form a tenant union anyways, which makes it harder. But I think we owe it to the community to at least do that, or that. Yeah,

    I just think the issue. I mean, it just didn't seem like the that community was structured in a way where attending union organizing was going to work. It's not that it's not that I don't think we should Like try for whatever reason, I just don't, I think if we could find the situation like on a personal basis where it's like, Hey, I know, like, even similar to that same guy was saying where it's like, I'd know some people in my building and I know the people next to us and we have the same landlord, that would probably be more effective.

    Yeah. So I'll reach back out to Sam and to Daniel, who was the Daniel's like this reporter guy that I talked to over last week. Um, he also said that his landlord is insane. And he was interested in like the restaurant conversation, I think we can also put out a general call, just asking people who may be potentially interested in forming a tenant association, you know, we can have like a meeting, like an info meeting for people for the community to come and just be like, just learn about what a tenant union is, or a tenant association is. And we can talk about some of the cases that we did hear about where, yeah, somewhere out there. Where, you know, a single issue was like, won by a tenant association, right. And then we can try to build the surrounding infrastructure to make the tenant association last longer than the one event. But I mean, like, where everything if you can find something where there's a landlord and an issue as a starting point, I think that would help a lot. I mean, Sam's think is super helpful to

    think using the voices of the working quite using the newspaper, and just putting out like, our first article, and just saying, like, hey, what's the situation between you and your landlord? And then going from there? If anyone's interested in joining the organization after having that conversation? That might be a good segue?

    Yeah. And I, I think you like I think we should hold like a workshop or something. Oh, yeah. We're, we just like talk to people. Like we just invite them when we just have like a presentation. And then, yeah, and then from there, people that are interested in joining us or starting an association, we can take it from there. And then, in the meantime, I think we should also start developing our handbook. I mean, a lot of it's copy pasting from like lot to in a tune. But there may be specific stuff. I know one guy who I can ask at the at specifics, because he used to he worked for like someone that was some local nonprofit that was providing resources during the eviction moratorium. Yeah, yeah, this committee work basically. But that's something we should do. And then I think putting out of general like, again, like with the rest of the work, like the theory of change, basically, for the to you like why we're doing this is important. Okay, anything else? Here we sent out a t shirt. Okay, that's all I had on my notes. I don't know if anyone has anything else to bring up. I guess let's map out what happens next more on the calendar. Just so we have stuff to do. So this weekend is nothing which is fine stuff last weekend. Next week is the general meeting for the community cleanup so we should pick a weekend like we can do the third or fourth you can do the third week. The 20 We have nothing else that week. is currently planned. Yeah.

    Sounds good. Gives us a couple of weeks to like take

    a break. Yeah, take a break.

    Yeah, I don't I mean I have no idea what they're supposed to be like in the August either but

    yeah

    yeah, I think once a month okay, I don't think we should be gone.

    Where are we picking it now? Or did we want to ask the group this meeting?

    Um, oh, I think en found his list of places and I think we can also just make a social media post asking where and then see where it says I think ask you where including load I guess we can expand to what I heard there was some pretty crappy parts about it. Um, okay. I guess we just need to talk about I got some news last 15 minutes.

    Recruitment ideas. How do we get more people into the orange? I mean, we're on Riley did a lot of work on the onboarding stuff, but it was like post someone's interested. And I think mostly people will be interested if they're doing something, I think Oh, I did write a draft letter. or

    professional issues. I don't know if I want to share it publicly. You guys

    okay, realness, clear. skateshop and Lodi in churches

    table West with the skate shop. Because I know the people who organized the shows. Just writing it down. Okay, tabling catch up

    I'm sure he would let us do that.

    Yeah, we gotta get em like into a meeting. He would want to join org and I'm like, yeah, come to one meeting a year.

    So he's so busy. I know. It's gone right now. Right? Yeah, he's, he's, he's for a month he's playing on the east coast. So we're gonna see him for a while.

    I mean, that's fine. I mean, it's just one time a month. Or one time a year, we've got to get him into something. Yeah. Just waiting to stay in the group. Okay.

    Hold us up. Okay, so I wrote, I know a thing. It's not great. I'm not going to share with you guys. But it's very rough. But basically, you know, we're fighting for, for more equitable, just and democratic society. But to achieve this, we need independence for the Democratic Party. And this outlines our reasons for this. Part of it, it's the fundamental ideological difference between us and the Democratic Party. And then I had some Biden criticisms of like, the how we handle the strike deal, and even the IRA. stuff at the border. Basically, all this stuff is that like, stuff that we're against that people vote for him thinking of doing good job, but even when Democrats do good things that ends up serving the wealthy in this country? So after, how long has it been eight years, since Bernie nine, has been nine years 2016 1616 1718 1923. Jesus, that's disgusting. After eight years of us trying to push them left, no one's done that. It's been a complete failure. Too much of the resistance is just embedded in who the Democratic Party is, like, they're not a Democratic structure. They're a private group, basically, you know. And there's too much money for us to push them left. And also, they're forming a broad, a popular front coalition of the liberals and centrist is not the most effective strategy for defeating them, right? Because it requires that we stop, like we suspend our criticism. And we suspend talking about our differences in political independence from the Democrats. And all that does is entrenched the power of the, you know, basically center right. And that's the kind of governance that has given an opening to the far right to come in. And and I think also, the problem is that the way Democrats and Republicans vote now, it's like, each state is just getting more and more concentrated. So the blue states are getting more blue, red states are getting more red. And if we leave it to the Democrats, like the Democrats are in power now, and they're doing nothing to protect people in red states, right. And if you continue down this path, you will never do anything to protect people in the red states. And people in the blue states like we have no alternative. So we get taken advantage of by Democrats who might be good on social issues, but take advantage of us for a donor class on everything else. And that this, this deepening of, you know, 80% of people always vote for Democrats or Republicans and like one area that and what you see is like you see the the opposition party like usually pulling out of those areas. That should actually give us an opportunity Before for a third group to like step in and act as the second party, right, like Republicans in San King County, at the local level might be a little strong, but like, anywhere where you actually have to vote diverse or like they get destroyed. And so that's actually an opportunity for us to step in as an alternative because everyone that vote for Dems are not happy with the Democrats, they just don't like the Republicans. Also, it is important for us to maintain a distinct socialist identity. So people understand what different which is kind of in the failure of the squad. And we need to be reaching out to people who are disillusioned with politics, which we can't do it for just tacking on Democrats. And then we can also just talk about foreign policy where we have very divergent goals from the Democratic Party. Anyway, that's kind of my outline of like, what I want to talk about, whether like anything else that you feel like I should include before I bring it to you as in a better version. And I figured that would be kind of like the first post on our blog as like, and also the first email that we send in terms of onboarding people like when they sign up because it's like, here's what you're signing up for. Anything else included on a list?

    Lot of I can think of Yeah. I mean, yeah, reiterating. I don't know how to like like saying you don't have faith and like the two party system without just sounding like a broken record, just be like, it's not clearly both of these parties aren't meant to represent us. And the only way they affect any changes locally, so

    yeah, who the parties actually represent

    there is the chance for an actual change. Yeah, I think part of it is part of like, the T u stuff is like, Hey, you don't actually need to depend on any politician to get a win. This is all you and then yeah, to the ballot measure stuff. And then if we, if we do, right, like if we rands people you know, few years down the line they were just WC puppets then you could actually do like you could have actual change at the local level right? Although you are like do you there are places where like you do have like Mayor like strong mayors and stuff and you get disciplined by the state like by California for like the bankers who will like not issue you good municipal bonds for you to do anything because they're like puts the elected government you don't trust it to do things. So yeah, okay, but I'll try to work that in and then have it ready for the next meeting. And that can be kind of our first blog post and then for the international front do we want to put something I mean, there was like a vote on Israel like two weeks ago the vote for like Israel is not racist

    Yeah, there was a like, do we I asked Carrie Carrie curry you know she is she's like in the demo like local Democrats. Or she was but she posts why why Israel asked her if she wanted to write something with me and she was just didn't respond. Do we want to put something out as like another thing for like, differentiating ourselves? Like it's fine if this plate appears? I mean, I'm

    fine with it. I I always wonder how educated people are on the I don't I don't even know people know. Why. So I guess it's a good thing to say something about it.

    Yeah, I mean, I think it would definitely help bring out some of the lefties Woodworks I guess because it's like Israel is like one of those things where like, they see it and they're like, Okay, like you're on our side. Versus like right now I think we could be seeing seen as kind of a big left wing group. Like may or may not be okay. Couple more things. I got emails from TSA. Book. I got signed up ah, Yeah, shooting on a drill. That's fine. Yeah, waste. Okay, so we had some I went back and forth a bit with Whitney from DSA. Okay, so she asked me whether their chapter was going to expand from Stanislaus to all of Northern Central Valley. And she, she said, there used to be a chapter in Merced. So they're expanding to Merced. And they also got asked by the DSA National Committee, whether they also want to expand to San Joaquin. And what do I think is what WSU benefits from having another social Oregon in the area? Do you prefer to work alone? She thought they didn't really have the capacity to expand right now. I just gave like a neutral response. Like we're not rejecting DSA members or anything, but if you want to join, go for it. PSLs act I'm here to do whatever, do whatever you want. And but I also said like, it's not like there's a ton of like socialists here. You know, trying to get into an organ or anything.

    I think if this were eight years ago, people would join DSA, but it's not. I mean, came to Stockton. He did and I like new people who went I don't know how realistic Yeah, I wasn't living here at the time, but I wish I could again, it sounded cool.

    Yeah, it was great. But yeah, that was a long time. Yeah, exactly. I

    don't like like you were saying the other day is like people engage with stuff on social media even less now. And then they're even less likely to go out and do anything. So

    I think people that the Yeah, I agree. GSA is never going to be killing it because there's going to be like, vote for the Democrats. Yeah, I think someone did an analysis of like more people went to Bernie rallies and like activate voted firm concern age demographics. Thanks. She did say she had the same like I told her like, you know, we don't have our rev or sunrise or anything. And so like, you know, we we focused on trying to catch people before they fall into like the DEM party and NGO orbit and asked her about what they're gonna do, but the UPS strike. She said, she totally understands about the democratic orbit. They had a co chair who started working for the progressive Dems and the young democrats. While he was like, on the steering committee, and, and he did end up stepping down from being co chair of the DSA chapter. And he was spending all this time with the Democratic Party. I quote, I feel like they stole him away how Mike okay. She also is meeting with PSL to discuss a potential socialist coalition. That would be DSA, North Central Valley, then young DSA at UC Merced, Central Valley PSL. And then, hopefully WC you if you're interested. They have some resources from the National work they could use on labor focused, labor focused collaboration, and they wanted to work together. And on ups, she said she's talking to someone like Jeremy and Les throat, but haven't heard back from them, and would do a no vote if that's what those people wanted. In terms of their labor, focus, collaboration, in my opinion, so far, what they've done with teamsters is just like tailing like you're just whatever teamsters leadership wants, like, let's go, we're not really doing like, you know, membership stuff. They do have like a bit of a rank and file strategy. But I guess we'll figure out after this weekend, there is a faction of DSA that wants to be like, Fuck the membership just rah rah, the leader, the labor union leadership, as long as they sound progressive. And then there's another faction that wants to support the reform caucuses in the unions only. So we'll see who wins out on that after this weekend. But yeah, like they also. So I don't know, I guess we should talk at a meeting about the pros and cons of working with them, like using their labor union stuff. I think, again, the I don't know SEIU did like self suicide a few years. No, they elected like a crazy anti Vax person. Who, I think he got ejected eventually. But I don't know. Anyways, yeah, that's it. So I don't know if you guys have any feedback on labor stuff to talk about before the general meeting. I think as long as we're not letting him come in and hang like DSA banners everywhere, and then we show up to like the color that like that would be bad. Yeah, I

    think as long as we're distinguished from the DSA, like people aren't just like we are the DSA then I'm fine with that. Yeah, exactly. Red, Green. Red and yellow. Those

    Yeah, red yellow wellness. That's just America colors Yeah, and then PSL, PSL is, I mean I've been like I have concerns about PSL their lokalty. They're like, I don't know where their money comes from. It seems like it's from a couple of wealthy donors that like, supports them. Say, Yeah, I don't know. Anyways, just something to think about. But that's all I had, I think next month. I think that's not the focus will kind of be on attending and stuff if we can start talking to Sam and the other guy, and we can do outreach and have like, in the second half of the month have to work workshop to try to recruit tenant unions. Yeah, we can do moving light. And, and yeah, I think those will kind of be our outreach efforts. And then we can talk about tabling. We should also be paid by, but I think all that stuff will be like the second half of the month. Which is fine.

    Okay, this in person, where we're going to try and be getting a bunch of people to come in person, and what outreach were we going to do if we did that?

    Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna write this down, I guess. Gemini? weeknight?

    Gentlemen, right. Okay, so the actual agenda for the general meeting, we didn't even talk about it. But I think it was mostly just going to be this stuff and organizing Congress. So I think I should have put up a post by tomorrow, or a political post tomorrow morning about it. I mean, I don't think we need to vote. I think we just need like a secure system on how to do outreach.

    Yeah, because we can't say, oh, when we don't say, Hey, come on out.

    Yeah, I mean, I don't have a lot of people's phone numbers, either. But I think between me and you, Chris, we probably do have a lot of people's numbers. We do Include in the email, this email someone to add on agenda, but we can make it a whole agenda item.

    One, yeah, we can explicitly mention, it's unsaid, but we can say, Okay, is there any other non agenda items that anyone would like to bring up? Canada? Yeah. Actually say it every time? Yeah.

    So I don't know, Chris, if you want to, like get together. But the people we know, see if they're okay with putting their phone numbers into the database.

    Yeah, I think that I think the next person meeting, will we should just ask everyone, if they're comfortable and have just a sheet of paper, we'll just say like, put your name and sign in, basically. And we'll collect whatever information you're willing, if you want to give your phone number, do it if you want to give your email address, do it.

    Yeah. But in the meantime, I think. Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, we don't have like a super system in place. But we, we need to get people out. So I think I'll do what I did for the last in person meeting and make a concerted effort to text people and get them to come out in person.

    Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely I mean, I'll text the people that doesn't live here anymore. But Sam would have been nice, but

    hey, it's hybrid, because sometimes that's true.

    Yeah, probably as good input either way.

    Yeah.

    Okay. So we'll do that. And then we'll figure out a system on the backend for actually getting people getting all the all the information like contact info, put in secure place, and much most people end up using your table. And we're gonna use our table for the bad stuff. So maybe that's just what we do. Are air table the table? Yeah. Okay, so I can look into that and then just picking up a membership committee thing. All right. Nothing in mind, but I think we can figure it out later. Or just ask the membership. Because I think we need like whoever is interested in those committees, we need to get them to come. So I think the people who are there who are interested in joining the committee's those people can figure out the dates. And those can be like the temporary dates until you need to change it up for whatever reason. Okay, 630. So, ended. Thanks, everyone.

    Thank you. Have a good night, everyone.

    Our main operator, and then have you read over it before I send it up in the morning. All right. Mike robic later really. Thanks for joining us. you're at work too