Absolutely. And those types of contexts. And you know, the final chapter of the new book, I'm writing on this issue, called romantic soulmate, this is going to be called from Civil War to civil dialogue. And it's very much you know, my PhD was in political science originally. And so I was very tuned into the inability of anyone from, you know, I mean, just just take the initial words, the left calls themselves progressives. Now, what is the signal that word progressive, and suggest that anybody that disagrees with me is not progressive, they're regressive. The conservatives tend to call themselves patriotic. What is the suggestion of calling yourself patriotic is that anyone who disagrees with me is not patriotic. So both both political parties start from not only a non empathetic position, but a self righteous position, which puts the other person on the defensive, as opposed to being able to say, you know, I think that we both have the best intent. And the best intent is we want the strongest, most wonderful, most empathetic, most caring nation possible, that is still successful and able to survive and provide the best opportunities for our children. We have two different ways of getting there. How can we hear each other and how to, how do we make sure each other is heard. And so there's two sort of basic approaches to that, as I see it, one is listening to the other one empathetically, and the empathy often comes best in that that type of context, from hearing what that person's story is their background, my dad and mom felt this way, my father was very strict. He made sure I did everything that I had to do in order to be able to, to achieve, and he had no empathy for anyone who didn't try hard. And as a result of that, I became a conservative. My mom and dad were really, you know, and, and so, you know, my mom and dad were really empathetic to me, they always shared a lot of love and gave me a lot of, you know, support and so on. And that limb, and they were politically liberal themselves. And if I, if I even said something conservative, they often came down to me and criticize me for that. Now, you're beginning to have empathy for the fact that this person is not a bad person. But this person has a history has a way of wanting the love of his parents, the approval of his parents. And he grew up in a group of people that didn't tolerate a different perspective than than this. And so in order to get his own or her own approval, and love and support, they had to, they felt they had to take this position they never even thought it through from that perspective. So that's sort of hearing the history of how a person evolves. Hearing their personal story is a huge component of empathy. The other part is being able to make sure that no matter what that person says, that if you know if somebody says it's, you know, really clear that Sandy Hook is a conspiracy, and, you know, and the government is out to get us and if we don't have guns, we will never be able to defend ourselves against an evil government. And the other one is saying that you know, any words that are spoken in a college or university that make a woman feel unsafe, should be that women should get a trigger warning and those women should have separate, separate, separate set of safe spaces. And that you know, that guy if he offends a woman should be accused of sexual harassment and maybe not get to process in his trial. And so, you know, there's two people are about as far apart as you can get. And so the job there as I see it, is for the person who is that political, you know, quote, progressive, is that his his or her job is to fully listen to the person who is in disagreement with them, share with them what they heard, share with them what and ask the other person whether there was anything that they said that was distorted and if there was something that was distorted keep not don't say no, no, I got that. I didn't say that. Don't argue with that. You the person who feels who's being listened to cheer he has the opportunity to say I feel something was distorted in the person who is listening, or his job is to listen and to keep working on the distortion until the person who is When speaking says, I really now feel completely undistorted, and then you invite the person to say, was there anything I missed? And then if and then if they then you work through that same process over again. And then is there anything you want to add, I don't expect you to have to remember everything that you're is part of your point of view, immediately. And now that they're feeling trust that they know that the person is not going to distort them, not going to miss them, they can often go to a deeper level of thinking about what they said, with a greater amount of security, and often a greater amount of articulate Ness, because they know they'll be supported, or at least heard, even if you don't agree with them. And the important thing is to understand that, you know, when you are heard like that, and empathize with on both that personal story level, and on that intellectual level, that there's no obligation of the person hearing you to agree with anything that you say. And you know, that that's an important. That's an important part of the transition process.