Seems like we have DCP 130 that they give us information about loss is when they communicated this, it is my understanding any communication about membership with this body is supposed to be set to two people, not just one. And as far as I know, it was not sent to the corresponding secretary, nor our recording secretary. It is also in the bylaws that it's an all in one section section for that the if you chairperson submit to the President and the recording secretary of AIPAC and fpu coordinator. So in terms of the body is two people, our body and one of them. So you both because their lives were supposed to engineer but also because they usurped the process. They also are supposed to have information they get, they're supposed to share with the entire body, not just one person. And as far as I know, the senator and AP mail, if they sent it to you, it was to your personally No,
it wasn't it was sent to the APM email, it was sent to me to the first and second vice presidents in the APM email. And I understand what you're saying, Mr.
And what the last thing I want to point out as well, is that underneath the duties of the President, and this is more so costume to you, Madam Chair, it says under duty number two, it says you are to call meetings in accordance with these rules and applicatives alone. And to verify that any written notice and advertising from for the board meetings by improper form? I would say this is an improper form.
What's improper or which
we don't we no longer have delegates alternates because the CP decided that I wasn't
really who I am today, because we no longer have delegates and alternates because the law department in the summer, so I think that wasn't so I think
so. So what So so I got one question, because I do speak to Leo last week. And as I brought up some concerns that were brought up this very specific, and I just been trying to hear and wait and because of there's could be some, some further impact and adverse situations as it relates to committees, and how the the, the ultimate position as a appointment by the chair, could offset people or positions on this body when it talks about chairing the committee. And so therefore, I do know and I reached out to Leah about, she says it wasn't in our bylaws or by editing the code. But I remember when Kiana was here. And she she didn't have awesome petitioners, she was not allowed to chair a committee, because she was not a chair ultimate. And so if that's the standard rule, which Lea says that that's not true. But that's what we enacted custom. We've been doing superb, right? So so what we have is, what we have is the impact of past practice and practice that we've been doing. Because even as we talk about voting members, we've been complying with America, because we always do voting members by electing those people at the beginning of our meetings. So therefore they are, they are eligible voting members that subscribe to this body. And so it's subscribing to this body by per our bylaws, then there's a conflict between this body and the code and wished conversations never came to this by about to have any conversations about the impact. Whether it is in terms of our bylaws, or if
they have had that conversation, I think you might be absent. But what I will say though, is that I also have an email here that I will be sending to the to the entire executive board from the other room, and which she said that simply, we can just address this during our next bylaw edition, which again, are part history, that always takes us at least a year to do. Right so and blah, blah. But I will add that we didn't have a study Bible committee last year until at least the end of the second quarter. We did it in the first quarter. And in the first quarter, but it was not done proper at the first meeting which it was supposed to be done. And so there have been things that have delayed this, and I will share this email, and which is from the live room and the same thread that she sent to us last year. I had a private conversation with her in anticipation of this and what she said that we went up as promised. The heavier DCP recommendation is that you clarify this to your next bylaw amendments by distinguishing between voting members and non members. And what I will say is that we have not had that opportunity because it is still ongoing. So now that this change has been pressed upon us and putting us in violation of our bylaws, that simply Madam Chair, I think that you know you should push back and We should ensure that alternative delegates have been reinstated until we have proper time to deal with this and get clarity as somebody that DCP provides administrative support, according to the code, they do not dictate to us. And the code also states that we have the right to create our own bylaws.
And I think that this is a discussion right now. That's what this is. It's a discussion. And I think at some point, as a body, we have to take a position when it comes to the city. So I think again, I think everyone, people, some already have ideas, but this is a discussion and it's something that we need to talk about. And it might be a tough discussion, it might be a long discussion. So I want to be clear that I don't think that this is one that we need to rush, we just need to talk about it. We need to discuss this and discuss it today.
Although she didn't speak at that maximum
session has been going on for at least the last two years. In my opinion, the organist is very clear, there are only 25 voting members authorized. This is what many of us surmise happened over time, we're meeting face to face. One authorize who is registered at the city and that DCP does not show up that MPU does not get a vote, you cannot come in and substitute someone. That's what I that's what many surmise happened over time, coming in on a Saturday morning. McClee, the same person that Listen, let's revisit this, can we get someone else based on the language of delegate, that's how they went from a delegate to an alternate based on the convenience of no one wanting to come in every third Saturday of the month. So when we suddenly were swearing in 75 people, it becomes clear like just look at any other base organizations, no one can come in and vote for that member, that person cannot delegate an authority to someone else if they are the registered member. That is that is how it is believed that all of this morphed into a delegate and an alternate, it was all for the convenience of the NPU having a vote. Now, if you look clearly at that ordinance, we now are being based on whatever we did, we're being we're being required to register who that voter is somebody who chairs decided to stay as the voter, but some did about a delegate. I am the opposite of
what he said. He said he gave them two names, the delegate and alternate, and DCP decided to leave the name of he didn't give them a registered vote.
Because from what they asked me, and what I understand is Love is yours that they asked. They asked for the name of the chair and the European voting member. Will that be you or
someone else? Lester, he said earlier I give to next question is what was requested post? I'm sure.
How was the question was the question. Oh, I think yeah, I think after I gave him two names, what it was. Daniel said something about how he was only asked to communicate one of them to the powers that be? Well, the question is
what is the privilege? So so my chair
requested at my MPU? You will call sesame, Gloria. Because she may have a conflict as being on the executive team. Heather made me now to be the voting member. And I sit down I don't think because she's not coming. Heather says that'd be not enough. I may not get there. But Nicole says I won't be coming. Would you like to remain but her conflict was based on the way that question was framed? Her question was, because you're on the executive team. Maybe Heather now needs to become a voting member not go now. There are plenty of folks on the executive team that have the voting. I believe the question itself may have led to
what I hear is that there has been conversation with no decision, no rendering. So just the fact that there have been conversations with no discussion about the impact policy effect date, moving forward, those things of consideration that everything that we're talking about is really just talking. And so people are starting to take the position because they were following the lead if something that could be wrong. And so therefore, what I hear and glorious argument, to the cold conversation is that when you're when the person is absent, there will be nobody else there. Salt. So to your point, there's 20 pop up use that every MPU has about six or seven neighborhood organizations that belong to that organization will start so So what So what we're saying one second, one second, when we talk about our biggest problems is citizen participation. That's one, two, this allows for citizens dissipation and engagement to happen with this app prior to that, and it's been a past practice, the 17 years that I've been around the city, and so therefore, again, I'm staying to consideration to understand what's happening. We have a Bylaws Committee meeting protocol coming up. Just kidding. For this next piece, I don't it's not an issue about what we're talking about. It's just a notion of decisions have been rendered among the bodies and unnecessary pause to imagine what extent of impact, we've have conflict in policy in terms of practice and what is in writing, when it comes down to the ultimate chairing committees. And so therefore, and we never really go back, we didn't establish who are members of committees. So that's also been a part of conversation. So there's a lot of opportunity to talk about what we've been doing to clarify, not only it to verbalize these things, but to find the appropriate documents in places where this will be can be made clear, clear, make clarity can be brought up. And they can be spelled out without trying to push it back as if anything, what's the problem now, versus saying that we will discuss this at this year, in our next set of forms, like, the long way that this came up, which comes up every year is that when we have elections to miss will probably is gonna call to ask for the night. So they're gonna swear people in? That's no different
code on people's be sworn officers. So So swearing in the other members is not required. But that was a fumble not on any of us or even the bylaws. So so so even
this worry that the impact doesn't have.
Mr. Brown. Let me clarify. The clerk said that the ordinance states that we have 25 voting members, paragraph two says that the chair of each would be app automatically the voting member or that chair could designate let's start with the word share or since yours does no
it does not. It says the chair by law, the neighborhoods come from the neighborhood, the neighborhood, the neighborhood is a different planet committees designee is up to that second vote belongs to the chair, if he or she does not want it. It doesn't decide doesn't invite them. Then it goes to the NPU to decide okay, but see, but I want to be clear,
but it's coming but it's complete at this moment. But even among this body so so without Lea being here together.
We have the email nearly if we don't need the evidence, because again, the question that went to the last part, I want to pose that as well. What's not what we have now are debating was not for what to build apartment. The question that we're to look upon was, are we operating out of the 25 membership, there was never a discussion for them to give us about designee and that's clearly Leah's first response to up to me. And and because we posed the question, and this is what she said, I want to read this verbatim. Good afternoon, Mrs. Miss Phillips and Mr. Hunter. As promised, I did inquire about the membership matter. We discussed at the end of the Executive Board meeting on Sunday. As we discussed, the code does indicate the apex shall be composed of 25 voting members. This implies that there could be another set of members classified as non voting members. Since the code is solid concerning non voting members. Your bylaws could determine how non voting members you have and how they how many you have how they are appointed. That's what came from the code they spoke about nothing. They did I speak? No. Here's gonna be my last but here's the piece that we're debating though. And we're so big on legal are picking on the what what Leah has two terminals that for example, for LRB. The seat that Terry occupies suddenly goes to the chair of a PAM, she has designated that to Terry, and she show up if he's gonna be absent to vote. No, that is the culture of that board. Not a rule, not a code, not a law. The culture of this board, which is actually older, the LRB and establish before LRB has been different. We have bylaws going by that I've seen since 2009. That speak of the process that we do. And and the other piece I want to say is that doesn't mean we have not received a legal opinion yet. But that means according to the city, we have not via LEA or anyone else we have not it has never been posed to them, and relayed back to us. So I will tell you the plain language but also has been used. This is not my only fault, I'm sorry, plenty of boards, but you have a set amount of votes and more members than votes. And you can do that. For example, in my fraternity. We have four votes when we have matters that have been on our chapter. We always appoint for people to vote and to alternates. That's the That's what we do. So we appoint six people total. And do they have to come to us to step in if those one of those four don't show up? No, that's the same practice we do on this board. And it's done on other boards as well. The COVID spoke to it's called having a delegation
but listen This about a similar conversation until we are talking about it the appropriate form. The reason
why we're talking about it is because we have been sent out our roster membership. That includes people that are most of you seen it or not on this, that's not
great. And that's why I'm saying that another fast that process, because we have a conflict that's in the purview of the bylaws committee, that code is silent. A lot of partners already given this piece of saying that the code is silent, which means that it automatically defaults back to the bylaws. Exactly. By law, we should post bylaws are not solid currently, but But what I'm saying is because even even though they were refers back to the bylaws, it still puts this in his body. So we're saying that we're not moving on it, which means we have to defer it to whatever floor is.
I think you're missing the point because you weren't here when I made this motion there. This is movement. This is nothing I say none of
this has not been notified yet. No, I'm saying that's what I'm saying. What I'm putting to the board is that we notify the existing pieces moving forward, because that's there that can also lead to oscillations.
Yes, we can do is yes, we can
use the weekend No.
Problem, prolong what we're seeing, just read some I understand just me. So my understanding where we're seeing just rare perm from the per the law department is that the code is sad. What I do know and I haven't heard it, so I can clarify. I have
only solid on the terms, delegates.
And so therefore this also held the fries, we have
each MP who has one vote
and have your knowledge. Madam Chair, since you've been sitting in that seat has more than one MP you voted on any issue that we ever had. No, it's always been one vote. So where's the foundation? Where is the thought that I make a motion to to nullify this document and to reinstate alternate delegates. I put a motion on the floor. Madam Chair, if you're not going to carry the motion, I will move to vacate you. As the chair of this meeting, we have had a good meeting has been properly so I'll make a motion to vacate this document and to reinstate alternate and delegates per our bylaws a second? Second.
Why do we have this document?
Because DCP sent it to me and sent it out to them.
But this looks like it's supposed to be a sign in sheet and it doesn't look like it's supposed to be today's signage now is the sign in sheet. So so what we've what we've been handed here is the proposed sign in sheet for our next meeting.
But it also has that
roster. Well it says it's
not the s&p not mean, those
are the that was not presented. So you are one of the chairs and was what was the question posed to you that who you ever you state will be the designated member of the of a path? That was that posed to you? That led you right to because I had several chairs and southwest call me that speak. And they told me about that. Let's not do that. Because I thought we were picking on Jim. Miss Glover, you are a chair. How was this question posed to you wasn't clear that whoever named you gave was the only member that we no longer had delegates out to this. I'm talking to this glove and please
be very honest about it. I don't remember the telephone call. Okay, yes, asking me anything. And if they did call, I would have, of course acknowledged myself, the delegate, and they all time. That's what I that's how I think. And I believe that it is so important. We are bored. But we are also volunteers. And we're operating in a zone that has been high and sickness and deaths. And I think the ultimate and the delegate and ultimate are very important, in my opinion.
And are your weapons lovers that will this roster is now been removed. We no longer have Doulton targets. So if you don't show up and be you I do not have a voice or a vote at any meeting. Not okay.
That's the point that I was gonna make. Part of the reason that this system morphed into the ultimate delegate is because it was Saturday morning when we showed up. Absolutely. We did not have a quorum. Absolutely. The ordinance
was still the fact that we've never had a violation of more than 25 people voting. We have not bypassed the ordinance. That is the intent of the ordinance that one MP you wouldn't vote that See intent. And that's still the way it works. And that's still the way we work. The difference is that if a machine is not here, my chair can vote. If my chair machine start here, Leanne Patterson can vote. But there has never been another person MP up show up and trying to vote or trying to speak on the turn, it has not happened. Why? Because what we're doing work, listen, this is making a smaller, here's
the solution, we can take this to city law. Exactly. If their interpretation, and they carry it back.
And they're not, they're not gonna respond. They will respond to a pair, but it'd be you.
So we do have a conflict that's been told to this body is is put to put his body on why we can't meet virtually, which are brought to Leah's attention also, which is basically organizations being able to meet virtually, where she has also confirmed that there are other based organizations that have been meeting virtually in multiple, multiple months. So while we've been on the advice in advance, under the law department, there have been things that have been in conflict that that are in current practice, that is also in conflict. So that which means that some of the discrepancies that
are coming, we have to deal with the issue on the floor. And I'll just say it is not our main job.
It is my opinion, let me finish. Okay, most of the prompts today. Right? So I'm saying I'm saying, I'm saying this, these are this confident, were heavy, I don't want to give it to the business. And so since this last meeting is to 2022. Under those guidelines, I think that we should defer it to the 2023 that we should hold off on any movement of this matter, anything complicated things could be making a motion, telling you that and I'm agreeing with your motion that you're putting forward, but I'm gonna I'm also giving clarity on why I'm saying that all this conflict one back and forth, because there's a, we talked about this, but we haven't made movements and decisions on that we're also having adverse impact into us possibly including my own, because even my chair is not clear on it. And how I received it was it seems like we're not going to have alternates. I don't know it's gonna be a twist for you. And he said, I got a call, I'm not sure. So therefore, he was advised to try to get back to the city. And nobody's been able to make clarity on this. It's only been phone calls. And so if this doesn't say is that this would be a fit, if we don't, is there communication of supplemental document. So that's the starting word. Again, I'm saying that, hey, I'm concerned at this point, because we've made we've made hit waves in public safety. And so from my only piece from me, in terms of the work that we're doing, is that it alternates are not can't chair a committee, per our practice, and per this administration, and the chairs recommendation, or what she says it is, the city center is not. So there's even a conflict in that we haven't had to talk to talk about it. And I'm sure Leah should have called you back. But I'm saying these are conflicts that I'm saying that we have done these things. Kiana verified the peace that, hey, she had she became an alternative, another NPU. So they should continue to chair the education committee. So there's gain confidence, or what I see is more about opportunity, and not rushing into this asset. I think the city owes us that much. We owe ourselves that piece. If the code is silent to what's supposed to happen in the first met to the bylaws. I'm going back to the bylaws as written in my mind, currently. And I wouldn't impose that on another group of people. That also would personally not be be a part of this, you know, I mean, so I just want to make sure that we are going to empower us because it can have a real adverse effect that some some of us can see some of us can't see.
Mr. Ross and Mr. Kessler? I think this point is, can be one second. Mr. Ross and Mr. Gasper. Let's get this cleared up through the law department, from the Committee on a map and our bylaws committee, let's get it cleared up from the law department, let's get them to give us specific statement. Because the statement that was given to me is that you all are a baseball organization, you are not functioning like a baseball organization, you're supposed to have 25 voting members, give me the list of your 25 voting members. So that's what was given to me from clerk's office
that will say as I'm going to ask the committee on a
committee on a path and since you're on that committee and recommended and cheered Bylaws Committee, if you all would contact the law departments, and bring us back what the law department has to say, then we can make some
informed decisions just to be proactive, though the law department puts it in writing and says and confirms what you've already verbally said. Right? That does lead us back to here, this discussion, and I'm confident that the law department will probably put what you said in writing and send it and we're going to end up back here. So I think maybe we should just continue the discussion as if they've already given their opinion.
Okay, well, that's fine. But let me just say this. We don't have a meeting set for the month of January.
We still wait. Actually, we still do have a meeting because we haven't cancelled.
Work on this for 43. Mr. Mr. Ross digits indicated motions,
motion on the floor to be addressed.
So what Jim just said, really do want to be bothered by that motion? Because
our assignment last, Madam Chair, I think it was just not the roster for the
work, please let me finish if you don't mind. You have
we don't have altered intelligence. We asked
you to Jim said that this, he asked us to do you really want to know a file this document? And then he looked at it and it says just assign it roster? I think what you're really trying to do is nullify the process that has led to just this. So I think you may want to amend your motion because notifications of this document. So you might want
to repeat back the motion because I already did that. Or maybe you missed them full motion to reinstate alternate and delegates.
When the motion was to vacate this documents and to reinstate alternates
nonetheless, there will likely be a 25 person voting roster. We have to decide who those individuals will be, but it will never be more than 25.
Remember the roster we've had for the last the last year, that's always been a section for chairs, delegates, alternates them as blue, light blue, like you said, roster culture that was that was the wrong aided by
our culture. Not pursuant to the ordinance. Our culture
was provided by DCP.
based on best practices until we didn't wear it 75 people this
is your opinion.
Okay, well, let's put it to a vote. I call the question is that that means we ended debate I will do that requires two
thirds majority to end the discussion. The motion,
all those in favor?
So what are we calling the question of the day?
The question. The question is, can
I withdraw? I wouldn't draw call the question I was drawn. And it wasn't seconded. That's true. Fair. So
is going to get into
the start the motion, Madam Chair? I thought you said you know, I would draw the close question. So Madam Chair, I'm actually a question. I'm asked a question is the limit because I think Gloria is not clear on this. I mean, she's the only one I click on this. Is this document not telling the intent that you are now that this is now the board that makes up a path?
No, that's the voting members, the voting members only we
still have. So that was when I say 2023 voting membership roster. Does not it says membership roster. Okay.
Remember, we have been discussing it all year long that we will get to.
So what is this?
I told you that I was not going to destroy the momentum that we had built with all of the EU delegates and openness that we had, you know, signed on with us, and because we have this big snafu with the 75. At the time when we were sworn in, we said we would keep everybody did we not? We said yes, ma'am. We did. We said we would keep everybody. We don't have to 25 voting members, but we will still keep everybody. We even talked about having them as non voting representatives of
Nick because we talked but this is actually
that is supposed to be a list of the voting members.
They don't, madam chair this is because of I can't make the meeting. I can't make the meeting whenever we have it this month. And Leanne pattern shows up at any other time she's been able to vote. According to this document, she would no longer be allowed to vote. What we're doing is a change what your bylaws say that the bylaws are clear. The bylaws say I haven't put it right here. You Yes. It says right here. This was the very last line of membership. The very last sentence says delegates shall have the first right to vote shall then if absent, or demurrers, then the alternate delegate. And lastly, the APU chair.
Let's be clear, let's be clear that that's a false statement, and equivocal equivocally false. This was a practice that we have been doing since for 20 years. So what I did was, which was I thought was responsible was I put it in the Bible, because we had been doing it repeatedly. And it needed to be captured. And
I'm pretty sure we can do this without yelling at each other. I'm sorry. What's the right word to envision?
November 19 2020. That's what it was.
I was on that Bylaws Committee. So it was Mr. Martin.
So so it says. So it says compare the email that was read earlier from Leah says has co decided to defer to the bylaws. What I heard was a reference read out of the bylaws, which Miss Phillips agree that is in conflict, or that will cause conflict, given given the current adverse actions that are happening per DCP, in reference to the 2023, membership roster, that if we invoked this and start to move back practice, we acknowledge that there will be no longer be alternate members are part of the body. So therefore, so therefore, no, I agree. So therefore, there needs to be a bylaw revision that should have also taken place before today, that will reflect that moving forward
the bylaw committee, and we're gonna say me as a member of that committee, I'm not an agreement with that position on us. But
what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the argument or the action is being put forward if it's being referred to this body, and anybody has the ability to refer those needs to be reviewed by the bylaw committee or whether or not it has not been reviewed, and voted on or
why I brought this up, and I put this on the agenda today is because this impacts the next meeting. No, no,
no, no, no, I'm saying you're totally aligned. What I'm saying he is acknowledging that and also acknowledging of conflict in our own bylaws, that is written there is no conflict. And she was answered it is in terms of this from the acid it was going like this, and what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is, even if she had a company, and she has her opinion, as she's asking me to count up, she asked me to get on a path to get a refund a lot apartment. So therefore, we can't move forward in this matter, just with a single dog was going but no, no,
we got a motion on the floor. No, I'm sorry, you missed the ring. be having a discussion?
Because I'm clarifying what we miss the most from the flow. I promise. But I'm saying this and the same, which which is which is really saying what you're saying he just gave us a revision dates and read from the current bailout. So so well ask us what you're asking. Yes.
Everybody, just give me a sec. Mr. Hunter, go back and read the last part of that email that you read from this.
Okay. What do we need to hear the
DCP is recommendation that bar. Again, that's the recommendation. So you can do it that what you want is that you clarify this and your next bylaw amendments, distinguishing between voting members and non voting. Now, there was discussion, I emailed back about that
discussion about non voting members. And I think I told you won't be and there was no way I was gonna hurt those people's hearts. But working with us all year, we wanted to keep them active in the body. So we would classify them as non voting members that when we were messed up, we didn't vote on we didn't talk. We would keep them as non voting.
So okay, so now that that brings into the since you said that, that brings me to my response. The conflict didn't end there. I said, Leah, thank you for getting back to us. I believe our current bylaws does spell this out. I just wanted to capture it. So you're so you can make sure you're saying we need clarity, and I put in bold letters what it says each NPU excuse me each label and plan you shall have one vote that's already in our bylaws. Then Furthermore, it says that each day we're planning shall have one vote creating a multi member suppose so you want us to do you must add each plenty each each level then you should have a vote. One vote creating mentioned 25 That's already spelled out. We have never thought elated having more than 25 voting members,
we never validated that we only have. So. But what what so why are we? Why are we trying to base the go back and read the base? Was you referring to our ordinance but go back to the
ordinance or got it right here at the mercy of Allah,
about handing substitute voting people?
Okay, you just saw a salad. She said.
That's the practice. So here's what and here's what made this but his silence section 64001 created a composition of a pen and a pen, the base, the code coverage, the base, the base, this is exactly what it says about creation and composition is the title of this for AIPAC. But to us, this is only there's only three things listed here. This hereby created the Atlanta Planning Advisory Board, which shall be composed of 25 voting members, you just asked for a pass. But even but even
the chair interpretation of the shanken is a lot of foreigners. So that's our interpretation, which I do conclude with you but back button, and hands them out apartments determination, heard an email that says the firm to AIPAC not allowed because the code is silent. So therefore, only purview that we have over any of this as a process is to go back to our bylaws, which is in our purview. And if we have a recommendation as part of the code is to put the recommendation and send it out as a resume to the city, if we want to amend the code. Well,
questions, clarity, we're changing something because we did not violate something. I'm trying to make sure rushing, because the next thing I want to say is the parents Oh, by laws not inconsistent with state laws, city ordinance. So what are we not inconsistent with?
No. And we've already had that conversation. We vetted this thoroughly. We have a motion on the floor. Madam Chair, can you call for the vote for the motion on the floor? I'm ready. Thank you.
All right. Ladies and gentlemen, you've heard Mr. Archers motion. All those in favor,
please repeat it. I didn't mean to cause it as
you're probably not the only one. Would you? Please repeat it for calm? Because our
motion is to vacate this 2023 membership roster direct and reinstate alternates and delegates.
motion on the floor. All those in favor? Please?
Raise your flag. I don't want you Oh, seven. That was only 61234. All right.
Yeah. My hand was still raised.
No, so it was definitely for you voted
to oppose.
Sorry, I didn't my taking my vote for the opposition. I apologize.
All right. So voted on that. Mr. What's the vote? Wait, six.
There was 71234567225.
Raise your hand.
All those in favor?
Come out my coat.
Stay on. We do a roll call.
All right, those opposed.
Motion carries.
Now, we can make this motion and we can vote on but we're not until we get some legal guidance from the law department. I think we don't need to be charged to take any actions now. You voted on it. Yeah. But
here's here's the thing.
I don't get the flack that I'm getting from the see about how we are malfunctioning as a base organization. And this ain't just coming from DCP. Okay. We have to set up a meeting for this month, or either we have to cancel the meeting for this month. I have to notify all of those people that we were supposed to be appointing for various positions, that they will not be appointed this month. So we need to get down to the business. The first order of business is we need to cancel. According to Mr. Hunter, we need to cancel vote to cancel the January 21. Meeting. That is what you said
in the email, not according to me is according to bounce motion. She has a question.
I am sorry. But my question because when I want to understand shit, I asked questions, so I want to watch her like sweet. Yes, ma'am. Sorry about that, please. And when you were mentioning that you you personally get backlash for not just DCP like just trying to do things in order. Who else were you referring to for transparency purposes clerk's
office,
I've been moved up and down about clerk's office with the things that we started with. To get information about getting sworn in last year, she started sending SMD for all kinds of information. First of all, she said that AIPAC was not sending to the clerk's office, the information that they were supposed to be sending, we made amendments to the bylaws that she will not be your bylaws. She wanted a copy of the ordinance, where the city council made a change to our ordinance to allow us to have 75 people. And I'm like that. And so once we said, well, you know, that's not the way it happened. She immediately jumped on the folk and planning. And that's when climbing came back on us. You all, you know.
Clerk is here's
another question on top of what she said it usually were on the floor. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that. Because I need to be acknowledged before I ask something or wait back to life. But I want to ask you It shouldn't fall on your shoulders even though you are the president it should it they should be able to pull that stuff on their own. The fact that though,
this week, we hadn't sent it to them. So and we didn't send it to us. We didn't know what we're supposed to be sending it.
If it didn't exist, and until it goes to Council this voted on. You have you have some administrative support and council that have fixed our seats that route. So this is the position of the President and even the the council office itself to keep up with stuff. So again, your volunteer just like we are
this is what we can what I can miss Phillips, each base organization is assigned to departments to work with it for a path it is TCP and the law department. Why is it this was not sent to the law department before you all made this change to your bylaws? Well, of course I wasn't the president at the time. And when we sat down, we were doing the bylaws, we did not note that we could not make that substantial change. So the thing is, we've been doing things to you. And we'll have several of you have said this. We've been doing this all along? Well, yeah, we didn't do things all along over the years that perhaps were not correct. Before Leah came on was the channel's name that just totally hated us. Erica, Erica basically told us I'm sticking out but but Erica dia was she said, I can't be bothered with the job. I didn't bother with all of this. So do what you want to do. And guess what ended up happening in a pen. And I'm not kidding you all of you that I was there. And so we have been doing stuff that we were not supposed to be doing. And as late as last month, I get another notification. Call that Miss Phillips, you hit it into the 2023 year have as a path, put yourself in a position to function as a face organization. The way is supposed to are you get it gotta get us the documents that we saw there. I'm not able to the clerk's office for everything that we do. I didn't even know that we were supposed to be sending them all of this information because the previous before I knew that he was supposed to do that. I didn't know that we could not make changes in our bylaws that contradicted or did not refer to the ordinance because none of the previous presidents and I had been first vice presidents. So I'm in a learning curve here myself. Sure. But in the meantime, you all are, you know, you're at a point where you think, well, we can make this change, we can make that change. I'm not saying we can't. All I'm saying is let's be within the legal ramifications of Korea, North Korea, what are going To start doing is asking the law department to send a representative send along person to our executive board meetings because they are our backup. And every base board does have one person from the Law Department says we're not judicial. And we don't decide on anybody's fate or anything like that. Like, you know, applications like the RFP, whatever. There was no real pressing precedents to have a law person at our executive meetings. But I think that even if they can't come to every executive board meeting, which we need to have a law person, that is one of the reasons, please, that was one of the reasons I was asking you all, could we possibly consider changing our meeting date to a day in the week, so democracy? Right on down status, rather than, you know, making them have to come on cycles?
Here's the thing.
DCP isn't a learning curve. Leah has admitted to you all, on several occasions, just like she said, that a lot of the stuff she did not know, because her predecessors, we're not doing these things. She's getting the same kind of flack from the city as I'm getting. So while you all want to do things your way, please understand, we are a base organization. And I got a definitive statement. Last month's will miss Phillips, if they are not willing, they're not going to act as a base organization. And this was a DCP. If you're not going to act as a base organization, you are ready to consider replacing yourselves.
But what's, what does that look like? So,
you know, and the thing is, I guess they get to a point where they get tired, too. But ultimately, there's no reason we can't do things within the legal ramifications of the city's base structure. And what is it okay, now, I don't know whose hands it was, unfortunately, because I want to say something.
Mr. Ross said earlier, I think that last year, what started this off was a miscommunication on your part, which was when you communicate that we have to fight this morning, the old people need to be sworn in our officers. That's according to our bylaws. That's according to the
area does not miscommunication she asked me about the she said, how, asked me about the structures first, she said, how many people were officers and I gave her the number of the elected officers. And I told her that we have you know, and she said, asked me about the voting members, because she's looking at the board, she asked about the voting members. And I'm like, Okay, we have chairs, delegates and alternates, and they can, you know, whichever one is here can vote for me. And she said, what she'd been
communication 25 voting period, she
asked me about
how we were structured. And I remember the last time, the last time we were sworn in as in person, and it was in the whole courtroom. I was present. At the time, I was an alternate. I didn't participate in that swearing in this swearing it again, it is my opinion. That was an honest miscommunication on your part, you should have just said we have 25 voting members, and you could have communicated back to the board, what was showing back up. And it's fine.
Boy to blame game. Boy to blame game. Let's find the solution here.
The other thing I want to say, On the January meeting, there, you alluded to some things that we need to get done. There are only three things that we have to get done and are generally being according to our bylaws, and says in our bylaws, that is considered administrative meeting. And the three things we have to do at that meeting, which we have not been doing, and we need to get back to our bylaws, and start the officers established the committees and appoint chairpersons and set forth goals and objectives for the year. It says we can't do other things, but we have to do those three things.
The bylaws gives us privilege to cancel indeed doesn't.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if you have a meeting in January, we have to have these three things on the agenda. That's what I'm saying.
January allows us to cancel any month. All we have
to do is okay. But I'm saying if Miss Phillips said that we have things we need to get done in January in our conversation. I'm going back together and I want to make sure that there are three things we have to do. If we have a meeting in January. That's what I say. That's the caveat. We have to do those three things
if we have a meeting however, there is one bylaw that that we want by law that is up allows us to any month canceled. We just have to give adequate notice. I
think they're both separate points.
Yeah. Well, yeah. What is your point? My point is that we're talking about if we have a meeting in general, what all we need to get done on that?
Shouldn't have been because we've got a five hour meeting if you include this, almost 10 hours of
this. Oh, well, that's gentleman on that point. We're talking about Well, that's what
Yeah, that's the point that was raised when I read that, that in fact, the bylaws allows us to cancel any months.
So So are we at that point now, Mr. Chair Phillips, what we're talking about,
the only date that we actually have available for the meeting for this month is January 28. Because the mayor's office and already started planning painful 20 visits to be on Saturday, me and many of you will have to be in attendance and that
does have to be sent doesn't have to be on Saturday. But the the risk of the rescheduled meeting is they have to be on a Saturday.
And I think we since we meet on Saturday and
have been canceled that meeting, we can strategically if we have another meeting, it will be a special call meeting. And we can have special call meetings on any day. We can't reschedule because we don't have that right now by law. So can we get a cancel and we can call we can't reschedule?
I think we're just trying to we're trying to just use the word rescheduling. And that's okay. So first screen make a motion to cancel that we're supposed to be doing them
in the 21st is always allocated monthly for a board retreat.
Everybody tells us is our
regular monthly meeting where we were meeting with the mayor in lieu of the regular monthly meeting.
So Miss Laurie, everyone has a different opinion, I think that we're going to be looking to take a vote. So let's go ahead and try to do that and see where we all stand.
My question isn't the 21st or rarely third Saturday of the month? That is correct. So in lieu of our regular meeting, we're meeting with the mayor. No,
I saw I think that if that's how you are That's right.
The man's have his own event. Anybody?
Oh, because I am one of those and thinking that it's no padding supplement.
So as the mayor says to us, it doesn't mean that this neighborhood Summit is associations.
I would like to make a motion to cancel the regularly scheduled meeting in January 2.
And then what date is that? So we make sure we have January 21 21st.
The 21st.
Cheers, second vote, vote. Vote on this all goes off in the discussion.
State procedure we
stick with procedure. So we're gonna call for discussion and discussion about that. Chi on
one question, getting to one presumably the next motion to schedule a special call meeting on the 28th to reconfirm yet if the city is able to support us on
the 28th? No, I couldn't do that until we decide we're going to support on the 28th. asking
my questions, motion machines, do the bylaw to allow this executive board to cancel the meeting? No. Does it have to be the
time where we actually were the ones who can cancel on any
adequate notice to the body? Yes. Okay.
hearing no further discussion,
discussion so quickly, if we cancel this meeting, just because he asked you, most procedurally we will have to notify the buyer has been cancelled and give the reason why. Which is kind of already done that. Yeah, we can do it, I guess if she's allowed to. And and then so that will be the procedure will give them the reason why. If we are to do a special called meeting, the diversity that meeting is that I want to be clear is that it's a special call meeting. So our agenda will need to be preset, because as part of that special call, you have to send the agenda with that meeting notice.
That's not really germane to the motion on the floor, right? Just procedurally Yes.
Piles question like Will we have a video? That's a fair question.
And just in terms of support, and I do agree about the support of DCP. Since DCP is always in the middle of it. We'll talk about support by having sure that somebody's here now but now I'm just making two buildings open, especially now problem, but also having the support of a person is assigned to meetings, which means adequate notice wouldn't be given which we should be able to have on
GCP. I've already informed that that says it says when they sent me the notice about the mayor, and the mayor's office sent me the thing about the thing that told them what to do with it. But anyway, yeah, yeah. So they know that our alternative was so big.
We still have a, like, 10 people that need to be able to agree that that's the day they can come in for the ratification of employments probably can't come.
I think we have to get there. We'll have to get to that point and want to see
it ratified without presenting
this list. Immediately the dispute?
I would just able to do this in February. No.
First, so let's stick with that for right now. You're ready to vote.
All in favor of canceling the January 1.
That is unanimous.
Should we roll into the new motion? The next? The next motion? Yes. Okay. Next motion. I'll make a motion to call a special meeting for January the 28. At nine 8:10am telling them that the team were here at City Hall in Atlanta city hall. That's taken.
City council chambers I just added.
A second discussion? All right. All those in favor? Please raise your. Board meeting?
Oh, you won't be there.
I think I have conflicts and that's okay. That's okay.
Madam Chair, I would like to make a motion that at the regular effective new special call meeting in January 28. We install officers, establish committees and appoint chairperson and set forth the goals and objectives of the as outlined in our bylaws,
second,
style officers,
establish committees and appoint chairpersons and set forth goals and objectives, set goals
and objectives for the year.
So now what are we going to do? We
got to first read resolutions? Well,
that's my Oh, so Oh, but yes, I do I do the whole agenda. I can. Well, I
mean, we need you said we need to set the agenda. Right. Yes. So
that I will make sure we do. But we can. Also I'm willing to clewd the first reading of all of the resolutions that have previously been submitted,
sometimes on two resolutions, am I right?
Well, yeah, firstly, I want already so we don't need to read first read it. But we decided not to move ahead until we had brought the second resolution of the same points together. So we have we have FYI. So one first week. Yes. Okay. And then we're both right.
All right. Now we've got a square these people
found that as well said appointments, and also saw appointments. And I think that's a pretty good agenda right there.
All right, because I had to request to present at this meeting, Nathan's soda from the robot that he wanted to resent me because we were two new people for the Beltline. And while pushing for you to that point that we let you know that I received a letter from Nathan, saying that I just wanted to give you a heads up that Carolyn demon has resigned from chat. So that means we have another opening another slot for
what we're talking about presentation About a chair we heard back from the new commissioner from DCP or a and also the the request that has been made for design the right. I think those two presentations.
sad to hear what you said.
So the zoning rewrite zoning,
I had said that I was going to reach out to Caleb brassica the last time we met, and I have not yet because I did not know what date we would be meeting. Okay. And because I thought we might not want to come even in January because of all sorts of stuff that he should be lined up.
To do all these things in January, I would really like to just table all see presentations. February, February. Okay, because I'll, I'll email, the Office of designs. The gentleman that presented the
LGBT stuff LGBT
thing one has asked to come back, told him that is probably scheduled in January, but that to February. March
isn't part of March. No pride is in June, typically in Atlanta, it is in October, to bring up that pride. Know, everybody else has pride in June. We have Yeah, that's true. We do have to proud black pride. But we celebrate the big Pride Parade is done in in October. It's it's around National Coming Out Day is it's really it's really hot in Atlanta in June, right, like, we space our our festivities
to get back to February. But also think that, you know, we have a new commission that we have yet to see. And I mean,
I guess before we go, there are we are we set for the agenda, though, for January as
your access code. So the motion on the floor was to install officers establish committees, and appoint chairpersons and set forth goals to do the resolute resolutions that have been approved and submitted. And to external appointments or all external board appointments. be given a chance to be ratified. The swearing in of swearing. Does that involve swearing? Suppose you get officials of swearing every house. So do we do it? We do it on a day. Because this
meeting needs to be sworn in at first. We're not gonna do like the House of Representatives and you know,
you don't want them to bow to 50 now. So I'm gonna keep in touch with they wait till after midnight. Each
nine applicants What if failure there
in the past with apathy can't show up. We hold it to the next meeting positions from that we hold that applicant we don't have a fallback? No,
we don't do that. We're just going to move
forward to get
ethics agreement.
The pointing to various boards and commissions have to go to CHS to manage course, which makes it better by their board and they have to sign into the process of genuine unlike a lot. Mr. Cheese?
Do you want to get together and have a beer? Call the law department
just wanted to be clear on this and the bylaws. The base ordinance says that any member of any base has to be on file with the clerk they have to have sworn there affidavit. It doesn't say they have to do it at a meeting. There are plenty of folks that don't do it. I don't see anything in our bylaws that says we have to have our officers sworn in by the clerk either, right? We don't right. So there's nothing that we need to do except to find out what our actual roster of folks is. And make sure that they are in communication with the clerk's office in advance of us accepting them as a voting member of this.
I mean, since DCP likes to do extra stuff, they can even do it for us.
They are going to give him this list
at our meeting if we need to so I can see nobody needs to swear anybody yet. Okay,
well, people need to be on you need to stop any document with the clerk, right? That's all you need to do. Well,
and the reason for the
same but the clerk in the past, we're the largest baseball in terms of numbers of development. And the clerk has said that with our large numbers, they always wanted to do it at one time now in swearing in this time, they will actually physically be there in person, which is hilarious and, and we signed our like we did in the past, they swear to me and write the meeting. And they do say, documents and stuff. They always said in the past, because of our numbers, the 25, we were one of the larger baseboards, and would eat rather than having each individual person trying to call, instead of returning to be sworn in, I haven't the clerk to have to call around.
I'm not questioning that one, folks have already taken our code, they don't need to take it and get, we don't try to get right to that. So it doesn't have to be a partner meeting, it can be a piece of paper that you signed before you go into vote on January the 20th. So
they want to physically go to the clerk's office thinking
we don't have to make this big ceremonial thing and whatever else, like any other banks are being asked to act like any other base. And the other base just says, gyms that you appoint to the gym gets in contact with the clerk, Jim finds a time to sign the affidavit.
To the STR commission, I was sworn in over the phone
this whatever says wait another phone, in your email communication, basically saying that you are who you are, or whatever the case may be. And they accept that this way, you know,
before and then over the phone as well. COVID protocols. So some carpet strikes what portion of this agenda.
I say we don't need to schedule a big piece of the January meeting to be this official swearing,
lets you call out
whatever is best for
them. I'm gonna run that to the clerk. Mr. Mr. Way up to him.
He's going to tell you how to tell you that he wants to know.
Well, and, you know, I'll pass based organization, he said, because of our numbers. And we were doing it physically. They come in they swear, buddy, and we signed the papers. And we
also talked about how you received the flag and that that's part of the reason why is that they're going to tell you sometimes their preference is just that it's not the right or wrong way. It's their preference. And what was the allow means go ahead.
What's the objection? If we said it right?
We can literally do it ourselves. No, no, that's fine. But I'm saying we've
already canceled the meeting, whoever scheduled the meeting, thinks that we have to do we've identified those things that also includes communication to the clerk. Once the communication goes to the clerk. When there's at our first meeting you have they choose to do it. I think that we are available to do it prior to the 28th. However they go if somebody wants to do if they want to do a phone call and get that keeps us from being out of quote unquote compliance or having a flat we're open to whatever they want to do. If they want to come show up here in 15 minutes or 30 minutes before at nine o'clock. Do we have installation at nine o'clock at 10 o'clock? We go into our meeting. That's our that's our these are our projection. A community tab meets Oh oh, yeah, I
was just curious. We've never had 25 people at a meeting. How historically have they dealt with the people who were not present at the January? Well then
Bua
notifies them that since they were not sworn in, they would need to contact and make arrangements to turn on the phone. I don't know whether that applies. Can we assume that they didn't work? Well? Or do we have
to compromise? We have no follow up for that, at least that I'm aware of. So
Zack and Brazel has never been to an fpu meeting, where are listed our roster may also never have been sworn in as
he's been the to appreciation.
It's the honor system on this. Yeah, but
you're swearing Oh, yeah, there's this red future things not AIPAC believe we can. That's right. That's right.
Have a motion on the floor?
Well, I just have a question. So are what we're saying is that there's a way to do it appropriately by base for a base. But we just for years. I'm you. I'm asking questions. We just been doing whatever fits.
Let me clarify. Okay. So most bases don't have a A membership is dependent upon a group of bodies that has an annual election process. Right? So people are appointed at different times, they leave at different times they resign whatever else, just like all these other bases that we have, because there is the possibility for fairly massive turnover. Based upon the to election, the chair designated whoever the practice has done as of late to have the clerk come in to the January meeting and do a massive swearing. Up, right, but there's no requirement for code and it has to happen. Because the weights been based on the convenience of rather than trying to schedule a whole bunch of phone calls, every single individual meetings. Right? If we're concerned about the January meeting becoming too big or whatever else, we don't have to make it a big ceremony that's not bound by law, that's not going to code. People just need to have done that before they become an official member. So if we choose to 28, and we can notify the clerk and say, we're going to schedule here that they'd like to come, they can still come. But that doesn't preclude someone from getting in before or afterwards, signing their affidavit, they get a first set, I don't want to do it beforehand. But that's that's all.
is not an even purpose more than the purview of the clerk. So I think that if we're not making a recommendation, to support what I'm doing, I'm just council meeting and get ready to schedule a meeting, that we do communication to the clerk and the fact that we know that there are the options or whatever, we'll
go over and see what the options are. And I'll send it out to you via email. And as
we noted on the 28th, right, we're gonna
vote on the agenda. Right. Okay. All right, is a discussion? Oh, yes.
It is, it is about the agenda. So do we put that on the agenda and can remove it from the agenda?
So once the agenda says, we can go back, you can remove things right. But you cannot, or they caution you not to act to change? Because again, this notice in the intended setup, I can remove,
right. So but you cannot so do all we do.
I was thinking there are special circumstances, but you should not act.
So I would like to make sure that we get that on there that was removed. So we want to add it to add
cannot add to the agenda, right? This will be the time to do it. Now, granted, we're not we don't have any computer points on here. And I think that that's okay. But if that's
what you're meeting, you're doing the Administering of chairpersons. So there'll be new chairpersons appointed? Possibly. And so therefore, there isn't the escalation.
And Madam Chair, in terms of the goals and objectives will you be requiring? Amanda people being carried over the last I guess you could ask them to send it goes to a big portion that is
the committee chairs. And I'm gonna follow this up in writing the current committee chairs for list of your goals and goals and objectives for 2022, how much of those you accomplished and the names of the people who were stick on your committees. Okay. We do have a do would and do like to have a meeting a separate meeting with appointed committee chairs. And we're going to take into account the mayor's goals and objectives that he's going to be given us on the 21st my goals and objectives for a path issue without all the foolishness and your goals and objectives as committee chairs. And instead of giving me those nicely typed up, committee reports about what you all discussed, we want to see some accomplishments. If you did something that something completed, we need to know. We need to start building our year end report and our year end report pretty much comes from the committee's like last year, I think committee on eight that was able to get one letter to the council that was acted on. Those are the kinds of things that needs to be in our year end reports. If you your committee is working with some As partnering with some organization that's having an event, and your your committee, is there to pass out information or whatever it was your committee, did. We need photographs we need to the city, the city council, right. Some things I'm told to keep to myself and some things that just pissed me off that I don't hear, right. When city council person tells me well, you know, APM hasn't done anything for at least the past six or seven years, that I'm the one that says that's okay, that's fine. We haven't shown them that we have done anything, not just last year, but before that. And as a baseboard, whose primary purpose is to communicate to counsel, but the NP use are thinking feeling and say, what how they are feeling about things that are happening. We're not doing much my issue right now is 72.0. That's my personal issue. It's not what I thought it was going to be in terms of inclusion participation, asking us what is happening in our NP use? What do we want to see? And the NVQs are complaining about this? I know my news, all right. So these are the things that we should be feeding back to the council, things that we should be feeding back to GCP instead of all of this other stuff that's been going on. Now, that being said, Ken, will send out a notice when when I do the appointments, and I'll send this out, we'll talk about it. But understand that this board, unlike any of the other boards, is the one that the whole city deals with. Okay, what we do, or we don't do, stands out way beyond what the LRB does or what the CRP does, because those are NPU specific situations. But whatever we do is supposed to be about everybody in the city. And everybody in the city is supposed to be getting information about what we do. Friend of mine from AJC called me and asked me am you got anything I can, you know, work with, relative to a bat? And I'm like, Okay, sweet, you know, anytime I got something I'm going to give it to. So let me you know, okay, just the only recognition that we got last year was, of course, that the letter that committee on council presented concerning the redistricting were. And I think you all heard Lea, say this, I think at the end of the last meetings, you're still trying to functional like, NPU. All right. And I never gave that much thought. Until I heard that the last few issues, right, we're not functioning as a base organization. Because if we were, we were starting somewhere, when that first 2.0. We would have had our own list of things, that AIPAC that have gotten to Vienna, and the council about what the process is not doing. So all I'm saying is those people, this is 2023 with our function as a base organization when we're supposed to get our jobs done. Okay. It's saying that motion does. Need to go here. And, again,
the motions so there are currently there are currently five things on our agenda officer installation, establishing duties and appointment chairs, goals and objectives, resolutions and external board appointments. So those are the current five things that are on our agenda. Do we want to add anything or take away I see okay, that's it. So that was all board appointments. So
all those in favor? discussion is over, right? All those in favor of the five things that we have on the special call meeting agenda, please raise your hand as you madam. All right,
to remind the board that this will be three consecutive weekends of individuals weekends, the employee first five hours and another three hours and then I think so, be mindful of making porn.
Let me just say this now for the installation about spirits. You know, she's got her square in the offices, but she has to work in accordance with the ordinance and the ordinance says 25 voting members, so she's gonna have to split it in those 25 voting members.
We want to do what we can to make her job easier for all of the things that we did this.
I think that's fine. All right. So
who has a handle? I do.
I was just going to bring it to your attention. The agenda says that I am in the UK, that I'm actually the alternate for NPD. You have to be at the at the top of the page of the executive committee meeting agenda.
Yes, ma'am. Okay, I see what you're saying.
Just at the top of your agenda, we're list everybody's name. It was Laura, their SK. She indicated that
I am Jim Martin's alternate.
Why does it matter? She won't be voting.
I will not be voting doesn't matter. If you wish to list my accurate representation for these meetings,
there is no NPU representation here. They're not even they didn't even listed. These are the attendees for
the for the but this is so I get
I get what you're saying.
I'm sorry. But
hey, Leah, happy new year
has been a membership project? This year? Okay, so I've got received the current version versus possibly. So you will be sending that out?
No, that goes That's beside that she Are you gonna have a copy of you like? Yes, no, we
need a copy because Mr. Hunter made a motion that
I can't remember. The motion
was to vacate this list and to reinstate ultimately down this. List for asylum. Yes. When I had the chairs
down, we made the motion to make the recommendations and planning for the motion for yalls. Business.
Well, this was sent out to us as part of our business. So that's why I think
Okay, does that impact plan?
We want our own boss on the way. So it's under review. We asked him not to be mean for us. Nobody did.
Nobody did. You emailed it to an every month. She's talking about you can yell. Daniel did
whoa roster this showed that she was doing that.
And so Daniel sent that to you every month. Is that what you're saying? Yes, ma'am.
No, no, he
sent it whenever there were changes made. But we have discussed this when you sit down for the thing from the Law Department last year that we have to have
a rehash of something to be discussed. No. She was we can but we have an agenda and we we did that we have
to ask her a question. Do you mind sharing? The issue is these are from what I've understood, was supposed to be the 25 voting members. That's all 25 in people's between 23. And the one that they said we did not say voting members. So it says it says membership. So
the question was this is outdated because this person is not actually a member. Okay, so that's the old one. The new one does a voting membership and it has no Not less than? Severe is good. This is shown below. Okay? The Lel is believed. So
can we get dpus listed on there to the MPU? Is that represent? I'm sorry? Can we get the MPU that they represent on there as well?
So well, I had asked Mr. Goss and his committee to go directly to the law department and get total clarification as to what we are supposed to be doing. That we
now take direction, correct. I made a motion, but the body voted for us.
So to say, okay, but I'm saying we decided
that we want to go back because it was reported to one of our chairs, that we don't want to have alternates. So we decided, we
know, ultimately, delicates is an AIPAC thing. Y'all can have squirrels in cloud if you like. I'm not, obviously,
but users can name. I'm sorry, I'm told that you're gonna keep trying to,
you know, keep track of it. That's correct.
So what was read what was read? Was? Not. So. So so. So we went with the Moto has not
correct that. So that puts, so let's just be brief. I wasn't sure if you aware Lea in our current bylaws. Underneath section four, the very last line, because apparently, is the exercise. I was contacted by several chairs on Southwest, because that's where I live pretty much. That was my old chair, which you know, reginal will talk. And they were asked, they were told about us? Who was a voting member. So maybe I will vote for this. But this the delegate is not the chair. No, no, we're only capturing the voting members. I got several calls about that from some chairs. But that exercise, I will say what we'll put will be the foundation of our bylaws. Because the very last line, it's still talking to the member is it says the delegate first like those who have the first right to vote, then absent or demurrers, the ultimate delicate and the last day of your chair. So I guess that to me, that started low, because that's clear about who is the most. So I did cause some confusion with at least the chairs that I spoke to him when I asked questions that facility well, do we have auto intelligence? They weren't the way the answer was. But then that was that happens.
So I can hopefully clarify that AIPAC can have alternates between alternates you can have 32 delegates, you can have whatever you like, there are still only 25 voting members could have. And this was included, I believe, in my communication from March or April, whenever that was early last year. I'm sorry, earlier last year, you can have more than one class of membership. You can have other classes if you'd like. But there's only 25 people. There are only 25 People who are eligible to vote at Apex meetings and who are recorded as the members the voting members of the labor Planning Advisory Board. So that's probably what Danny was trying to communicate it it is the little
Bible, specifically study. We're not I would say it is in the Bauhaus
the ability to create
the city is
sewer boundaries,
like your bylaws. Here's an example that I actually use in the bylaws clinic. Your bylaws could state that the Department of City Planning will and some of them have said that in the past Department of City Planning will maintain attendance records for the NPU A through H for example, that does The way that we have to maintain attendance records for me is A through H. That means that that that's what you believe our responsibility is. But that doesn't mean we're bound by that. That's just what you put in your bylaws.
The city is bound by ordinance.
And the ordinance it says compare its own bylaws not inconsistent with state law.
That's where we went wrong when we delegated 75. That was in Section 25, we swore and said,
communicate question I'll ask you is When have you ever had more than one fpu vote? Anything that we've done? Really well?
What's relevant is going to be guilty. You're rehashing something you already do. Like. I literally just got off the plane. I didn't get back.
Though it was just simply it was simply that the debate dismissed cars in Toronto in terms of clarity. 45 has been has been voted on that we go back. Because Because I think because I think that the word that could be used for clarity moving forward, is eligible voting members, because in practice, how we've practiced it, we've always had 25 voting members, it's just from each MPU. Is there is is that who was eligible to vote. So it's always been a conversation whether the chair is a de facto member to the fact
that we can only submit to Sophos the name so
and so so so we've always been in those names. I think that bill was brought up is that previously there was there was a thing about 75 people, it requires for the officers to be sworn in, which is 25 people. But in past that, we may have to put put two squares in the five, even though the same the same process that we've had over the last number of years, given the fact that somebody reference has been the same practice, that when they come to the committee on ATF, and the bylaws here, the law department to get interpretation as a new bylaw for 2023 will bring this issue because it was never voted on by this body, on how we will move forward even in communication with or in alignment with planning and law departments. So therefore scanning
Mr. Brown, the ordinance says, we have 25 Voting
Yes. Porn orders
to the clerk's office. The list of names of those Yes. Right. Okay, no, all this other stuff, but we want to call it so people, delegates alternates represented just the reality is we just go back
on the floor. Yeah, you guys. Were we hashing? This is highly inefficient. Right? And really, for the sake of everybody's time, yeah. I was sick of everybody's time this move on you guys. Please.
Wait until we get
that's already been set in motion. So yeah. Okay. Let's go anytime. A pet website.
Last time we talked, we were going to check to see if we could ensure that we would get our agendas uploaded
onto the website.
And do I send those directly to you or?
Yeah, I'm thinking we send it to Ben. We haven't had a meeting.
I reached out to get information to be able to post today's meeting. The agenda. The notice of today's meeting on the settlement, as long as that information can get to Terry Terry.
A pap atlanta.org. Hey, Pam,
you said last week that you want to get in touch with him. The financial impacts on that.
Cow and cheering. What was his final decision? I think you were talking to him about we
thought he was gonna get back with you all when I talked to him. He will get back with you or get you off or
whatever. Then we asked him the question, but we didn't get a firm answer we can answer. This question do we need to continue? Oh, yes.
I'd like to make a motion.
Is there a motion on the floor?
No. He is trying to make like to make a motion that we terminate the relationship with a normal second for the website.
Mr. Kessler and Mr. Ross,
there was probably the second to two seconds. I heard too. If I could add to that motion, and you will accept it, and we send our final call for any fiduciary responsibility that we have.
Discussion is always what's it mean?
Don't just I'll just jump by. So we've already been working on a new website that I've already shared around with everyone. I thought that everyone has maybe by now had a chance to look at that. No, well, it's been in a few emails. So what hasn't been sent? I don't mind sending it again. And so the first point is that there has been a new website that has been made, some of us have already seen it, and have already commented on it. And I'm wanting to make changes in additions to
it. So that's the first you do that with the committee on a committee on
a PAP is aware of this up this website, when she asked her to do this with the committee, no.
Then you are on the committee on AIPAC, anything. And I sent you an email explaining to you that anything,
so this has been shared already with the committee on a path. So I don't want to make it seem like this is a process. It's not a process. This has been shared.
Right. Yeah, we've given them feedback even correct.
Yeah. So with that being said, I can
see where he sent it to you in the APEC Gmail, and you responded to his email. So you may not have looked at it, but he sent it to you.
With committee on a tablet, I did want you to dissolve that anything internal.
After the discussion, then Norman was commissioned to pre COVID It was no he was, I remember I was at the meeting, volunteer one I was there. So he was literally ended up at Silver room next door, regardless of the fact that he was still president that that is when he was first initially. And he said that, he said, I'll do it for free. I remember beta when that happened. And all we have is a landing page. It is time to
list on the landing page. There's no website, let's really get into the details. There's no website, right? There's a landing page that you currently go to a splash page that quite frankly, anyone can do at this point. I couldn't do it. Well, either way. With that being said, we are raised, what we were asking for was that website, one that was fully functional, as you said, one that we can upload agendas to really a fully functioning website. And that is as of right now, what has been designed. Now does that need to be presented to the certain committees into the body? Absolutely. We should do that. That should be the discussion that we should be having right now about the website has not actually had to go to the committee and I already explained thus far that Yes. So we've gotten past that the Committee on a PAP is aware of this, where we need to go right now was really discussing that website, right. So we just leave aside or make some type of emotion. That's been emotional. So the meaning of the motion.
And the motion was to terminate the relationship with a website with been known. That's a proper motion is one of the first and probably the second.
That's where we discuss discussion. So.
So let me let me discuss a little bit. So when this iteration of the website came, right, we had no web presence whatsoever. The task to Ben, which was decided committee was all we want to start off as a landing page, because we know that there will be robust discussion about what the overall content of the website needs to be. All that sort of stuff. This was also the pharmacy planning was filling out additional API resources on the city's page. So it's not Ben's fault. It is just Atlantians that
you never said it was. I just want to be clear, I never said it. I've never said
you said Let him finish during Blitz.
So I'm just being clear that it has not been spoiled. That that is what it is. Do we have all the information that the committee has asked have been regarding financing or the cost now? No, but everything else that the committee has officially asked of him he has produced with the website that we try.
I don't think there's a fault here with Ben. Right. Like I don't and there's not a fault here with that the reveal either i Please, at least please don't take my second that way. It's just it has been literally a year it's at this point, and we could have done everything right. Like I mean,
what they're saying is
if you'll take a look at the website that he has created, If it's actually quite robust, it would be very helpful for the sake of disseminating meeting information, disseminating your special agenda, right? This would help a lot, you clearly didn't want me to send out the last email, and that's fine. So you can circumvent me entirely and just put it on the website. If you'd like. You don't have to do anything with the correspondence secretary, you can place it on a website,
lower the two that he was responding to the two that he was answering to or saying that he was not asked to do but glory I'm
going to jump in. I'm just saying that's what these are relevant at this point where we are right now at 559. On Sunday, January 8, is that we currently do not have a working a PAP website without question for years. And now a PAP has needed some type of website, I believe we now have one, that website at this point should be presented to all of us, right, we should be looking at in discussing that website. Not something that Ben has been doing or not doing. That's just not relevant. Now. We need to speak about where how to move forward, we have taken the time, and I'm saying we generously, we have taken the time to design a robust website that we are ready to show off to this to this committee. Before we take it to the general body meeting.
Let's try that. Let's try that
worked really hard. But I'm listening to I hear what they're saying. They got asked anybody can borrow. If they they have no one at that instruction,
as of now Miss Gloria hear me. We have worked within we have tried and done. We're not saying anything's wrong with Ben, we're saying this as of now, we have to move forward. Instance times,
I don't think the motion needs to be to terminate with Dan, the motion can be to replace the website that we have a landing page with this other great site.
But he has not seen
any point of a one aspects of this meeting was hopefully for us to have gotten there so that we can show it off and have a discussion.
So I can't put it up on the screen. I don't have to control my stuff.
Ultimately whether maintenance and management comes under committee on a path, but in a minute on a path. Kant says that they are ready to present what ever they have
decided. Okay, well, then can we can we have your committee on April have to look at it now, like
me on a path that scene, I would like to make the motion. I would like to make I would like to make a motion, I would like to
discuss some things as you already went back and forth. I can turn it on. I love your ball. Like you don't have the same points. It's cool. But I just want to show you all
this and I want to address them to really quickly. You're correct. And what's supposed to happen every time is that a discussion is supposed to be announced so that you can have that opportunity. So it seems like now we may be in that discussion period. And you could have that opportunity. Yes, the motion as a major second. could now be in discussion.
Okay, so I'll turn it back around. So I can be fair, but I couldn't pull it up just because I don't have a control to that TV, but microphones could do it. So this is what it looks like. Guys, if y'all can see it.
It was it was sent everybody.
I know crazy, but I want to be fair, more like Okay, there we go. So this is what it looks like. And it has different variations of it views, who we are what we do. And then at the very top, you can see a home screen about screen committee meetings, governance docs, and more and then survey. So it has a lot of cool stuff. sarila and Jim, so it has a lot of cool stuff to it. And it has, it has a lot of potential. I like it. I design websites, it has more than just and I respect it. Please don't get me wrong. I love that. I've met Ben. I don't know where he's been but I met No, I don't want to be me. I'm
serious. Nobody wants to be me. Yeah,
we're more we're worth more than one little strip of online
about this in particular
are worth more than that. Just question.
News that I'm asking Mr. Shah, to get with you and your committee And whatever your committee decides on your committee is the one that needs to bring this back to the body. If that's what you want to adopt, we have no issues with it. But it should come from your committee.
Madam Chair, are you asking for that as a substitute motion?
Sounds like we refer out to committees.
You know, if we start circumventing people's committees,
they produce the motion to send this to committee. Yes. Is there a second?
So back to the committee on
all those in favor of sending this to the committee on count committee on AIPAC? Please raise your hand?
That is the question. So far, nothing happened.
To committee, just get the body to take it before the body.
Because we're gonna do this circular thing. Oh, Terry. Oh, so then Terry can bring it back to us. And we have.
Now we'll take it straight to Biden. The body has to make a recommendation, they make the decision at 9am on the 28th. To determine anything, just like we did,
when we asked him, which is part of the buttons takes it back to the API. Once they return everything that's gone, whatever video that will bring it back to us. I will get on with the city to get through so we can shoot. And then we all can vote on it and be through with it. Hopefully we get it done February. They will give committees committees, even though we don't have the draft of the general body the agenda. Does any committee have any meeting dates and places database that are already set that are
about triple fully do that? Remember, we haven't typically, you'll probably have plenty of existing committees.
We're no I'm just trying to find out whether anybody has already said something that we don't do anything. We don't have anything said, you know,
I mean, I think I would like to meet the committee would like to get started.
On the Bylaws Committee, I do have two people that have already asked that they be interested in.
I'm interested in sitting next to you and everybody email I'm interested in.
I'm interested, we send out
to people only have two slots,
MIDI and Apex.
They know that they can't do it. And I'll get in touch with
MIDI on a pap. So none of the agenda for January 28.
Yeah. And send that out to everybody in the documents.
No, three to five on the bottom and 3.5 You get four spots you pick, because I'm automatically on it.
Okay, so we already get to we run long and lower. So we have to tell you, yeah, okay, unless he changes his mind. He didn't indicate that he was changing.
Just for the record, I didn't indicate that I was changing my mind. I did not change my mind. I did not ask to be taken off. You can appoint whoever you want
to when you get up to five,
I'll send out an email back and getting a mid December
if you wanted to make any changes because I like your new chairs. I have different designees. But and so that's what I asked. All right.
This is the part of the membership question right? As a as an alternate, I don't get to serve in this capacity says since I do not have membership, right?
You have to be you have to be voting by reaching out once the bylaws say that you have to be a voting member.
So say she already knew that I was part of MPU D. She just didn't correct it on the chair. But I want to point out that I spent the last meeting the definition that you now have for membership, which is convenient because if that was the case, I mean, she really could not serve last year with you also as president saying, if you remember, but when meeting new regulations that's the thing. We don't have the same bylaw to just vote Excuse me. So because I have we just voted to go back to our partners. What
I'm saying is that we didn't have that under the
lower cancer ultimate, but it's
live, you made a motion earlier, she's still operating. And I'm not acknowledging that. Because we just say that we're going to send it back to the
chair. But I was just gonna make comment to
say that, how can we get clarity on that? Because if we just leave it at this body, if we just say that we're sending it to the law departments? So therefore, if the question is now if it's a case of membership, then law will be am I eligible member? So therefore, what she's saying is that she did not receive or to, to remove herself. So she, so just like Terry's saying that he's demo. We have Sunni. And that's going to be the question on the floor now, because your question was, we can have three to five numbers. So of course, we're going back to the original membership, the cow pose the question all, because we have different, we have different understanding is now been kind of put on the table. We've got a motion that we carried earlier, we have now on the resume and pieces that the alternates and including myself,
I find that I mean, I think that this newly formed off the rise voting list is what kicks in
all of them now, we already visited a whole point.
I'd say that's what I think the bottom line is this newly formed authorized voting list triggers that rule that I just voted on. Well, Madam Chair, do you want your motion
to adjourn? Motion to adjourn?
I wanted to say something I had my hand Oh, that's not fair. That's not funny, Gloria Two years ago. So he's apologized for saying, I know it gets really crazy in this room, I dislike it a lot. But my thing is, I dedicate time after these meetings to put stuff in so we can kind of like grow. And I had a social media plan that I wanted to present. And I couldn't even turn that thing on. I was gonna turn it on and
turn it on. And of course, no,
no, that's fine. But what I'm saying is I want it to be, I wanted it to be on hold until the time was given to me to, I would like to present that to the February executive board.
So I'm gonna have to get with the city and see if they will get so much.
To that too, I had something else to say. I do believe that we all have different points of views, but we bring great, great charisma and great knowledge to this board, and to the body, the general body, all all of us, we come from different backgrounds, and we need diversity, so we can serve our own communities is empty us it's all about community. And I do believe that we can all serve united, we can all work together. There's things that I might know that some of you guys don't know and there's these a Donald that I don't know and we can work together to grow all right. So one second second leadership
