You know, it's funny with any story where does it start, and I really do have to say for especially for younger people listening, my path started when I was fired from a job. Yeah, I had never been fired before but I had been a lawyer for 10 years and I was like, whoa, what do I do now and there was an opening in a disability rights nonprofit, near where I live. It's called the Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund. And during that time, I had the opportunity to work with blind people on access to transportation, to financial services and I love the work, I love the people, I love the issues. Prior to that I had worked for labor unions and worked on gender and race discrimination so it was a natural fit to do disability rights. But if I hadn't been fired, I probably never would have discovered it.