yourself before I conduct the interview. Can I have your permission to record this interview? Yes. Okay. Can you state your name and your title, please?
So I'm a render practice. And I'm a professor in the Department of English and I'm currently serving as the department chair.
Yes. So yes. And I've said about the church you btw. So the first question is, do you think like, GBT can replace the Creative Writing in, in school and education?
So there's there's nothing that I can't do anything to stop a student from using it if that's the choice that they make. Right, like, and as you're saying, I've heard different accounts on how well people can or can't tell whether something has been computer generated. But even in that case, it's been they're getting better and better, right? They're self educational, so they constantly improve. So even if there's something that isn't working so well now, down the road, those glitches and problems are going to increasingly disappear. So yeah, it's it's totally possible for people to use it. And I think to me, the important and very interesting question and again, this is just me I'm one person other people have in this discipline, in particular, have different stances on it. Is I always go back to the why. So if I'm in a creative writing class, I'm teaching creative writing, which was it's my discipline. And one of the exercises I have students do is I have them think back to what they can remember as their earliest memory. Yes, and I asked them to think about everything that they can remember about it, what was going on where they were, were there any sort of sensory details that were present that they could you know, and I have them free? Write about it? Yes. And then I encourage them to write a piece because when someone first gave that exercise to me, and I was a student the person said, Oh, this is perhaps in the earliest memory is a time when you are becoming the you that you are now and that's why you remember it because you can trace back to that moment of like, I'm awaking as myself. So let's say you do that. Do you want to turn that over to computer to right absolutely not well, and then I'd say why why would you not turn it over to a computer? Because
we can not know that is true or not like the accuracy of what the church UBT right. Especially like, okay, when I think like this when we reading a book and then we had to write an essay based on that book, and if we don't reread the book, but we rely on just GVT like, oh, yeah, Instagram is AI is really intelligent is no everything. But when it's right down, and we just like read it and say, oh, yeah, that makes sense. And we turn it in. It cannot be true, right? Because like church UBT like it's a collection of everything that happened on the internet. They just collect and write for you. They just don't know for sure. Like, what is this book about? What in what happens on the book and have the like, tries to analyze what happens either so I cannot really trust the GB tattoo at all. Yeah.
And to me what this what this assignment and why would put it forward in this particular conversation is that you are the only you that has that memory. Yes, you are the only you that experienced it that has the idea of the sensory details of it, and you can feed it into a computer, but then it's not you anymore. And why would you give you up that way? Because if you're sharing this, you're you're then you stop you cease to share you and to me, this is the much larger question we have a great desire right now in our culture. And I know I'm generalizing, but I'll work with it for authenticity. We really want to know that when we're talking to somebody that we're talking to that person and some of the biggest betrayals we have over the course of our lives is when we discover that someone wasn't being themselves. Yes. And then we discover who they actually are. And we feel bereft. We've lost something. We've been injured in a particular way. We've been you know, we've shared with somebody who wasn't really that person. Yeah. And so if we feel that kind of betrayal in our personal interactions, when those kinds of things happen. Why would we feed into a culture that promotes in France, an authentic voice? Right? We have that phrase, I give you my word. Right? And when I say I give you my word, it means I'm getting you who I am. And that stands in for me. That's integrity. You can't give I can't say I give you my word and turn over a jet chat. GPT documents. That's not my word. Yeah, that's some as you're saying. It's a compilation of a whole bunch of words. It's doing something, but it's not doing that work. And so for me, that that, to me is the biggest risk is that we're in a world where we're constantly in need of authentic voice and authentic interaction, and we're constantly bombarded with tools that are telling us well use this instead. And it may seem it's convenient, it's easy. Maybe for some low stakes thing it doesn't really matter. Yes. But to me, I think there really isn't any low stakes thing. There's always us and the opportunity to present ourselves to give our word in a circumstance. And every time we don't do that. We've lost something and the world has lost something because we're not showing up. So I think that to me is like it's sort of like the big ideological frame of reference is that that's what we risk there.
Yes. Yeah, I agree with you. Yes, I also agreed that you know, what we why we had to tell Chuck GVT like on what we think, like give it give them the idea and if based on our idea and right for you, why don't we like right by ourselves. And it's led to me another question live right now. I read some articles on the internet that say there's several books, especially the children book is being written by God and being sold on Amazon. Because, as you know, like I I will not. I can't tell lay the church if he can write a novel novel for adults to read it. But with a children book, we don't need like too much word. Only a few word and the full picture and the children can read it. Right. And I start to feel a little concerned. Now Reiner is can write the children's book and being sell on Amazon. And then one day it can write a full novel, and maybe one day it can when the publisher price for the book so we can concern me. So besides like, abusing the church UBT on writing. Do you think like we can use church UbD like as a tool to help us in the writing.
So I think you know, I said earlier today, right that I got that ad it's funny that it came today. Yes. said You know, you want to use chat GPT to grade your papers. And yeah, I thought, jeez, I wonder like, you know, you were talking about students turning in chat GPT I wonder how my class would feel if I said, Oh, turned everything in chat. GBT is grading your essays. How would people feel about that? Yeah, right. And again, it's that sense of like, No, we're taking this class because we want to hear what you have to say not what Chad GPT has to say. So there's the idea of using it for particular tasks and when someone has, you know, because people we've been talking about and someone says well you know, could you use it for something? I would love to be able to use it for forms, right? Like if I have like these things like when my my son is going on a permission trip. I ended up having to fill out three different permission slips for the same trip. I should be able to like just put all the information in chat GBT can fill out all my forms for me, because then it's like, it's the same kind of information. It's just information. It's not a story. It's not a reason. It's not an explanation. It's just data. Right? Fine. I don't have any trouble of having a computer doing that for you as long as it's accurate, right? Because who knows if it's gonna make mistakes and then you can get into trouble. But I guess that there can be circumstances where the communication only needs to be transactional. Yes, it doesn't require a real person to be there. Because so many of the things that we do in life, don't have a real person at the other end. Then okay, then you have a tool that in taking a transactional voice, it allows me to take my voice somewhere else, a conversation with a family member or calling a friend instead to talk because I'm not tied up with that transactional language that doesn't really need me and isn't interested in me showing up it just wants some data and information. And then yeah, fine, then I can see that being useful.
Yes. So because I'm right now, I'm in the journalism major. So based on the article found the Business Insider, so they least have the top 10 A chart can be replaced by chat GBT in general and the A AI in future. One of the things like creative writing is on that list. is also like that, like teaching job posts on the list. Also. It's always a lot of worry and concern, because right now, we don't know like, what job can be replaced. Right now the chassis will be like, only at the beginning of the development. Yeah, but in the future now with all the technology people can do the better AI, you know, but after all, this is products of human human made it and it's question me like why human wants to build like a machine or lay a system like, more intelligent than, than human is really concerned me Right, right. Now, so that's why I tried to like write an opinion piece on the judging beauty.
Yeah, something else I have thought about that I think is really critical. Is that, as you mentioned, it kind of crawls and trolls and picks things up. Yes. Which means that it's going to pick up the status quo. So all of the main problems that we have systemically in our world, the all of the prejudices, all of the biases, all of the stereotypes, is what's gonna get picked up. So when you're talking about literature, one of the things and like investigative really pushing edge journalism are things that challenges that, that challenge that status quo, right, that are finding it and looking at it and calling the world on it. We see this bias we see this prejudice, we see this wrong happening. So it's human ingenuity that looks and finds those things. If you have a system that is simply trawling, everything that's already out there, you're simply replicating all of those things over and over and over again. And the more they replicate, the more entrenched they become. And then if they're using if we're using that to write the novels and the stories that we share with each other we're simply sharing all of those things over and over again, without having someone in a position to call it into question and to write the language that's working really hard not to do those things. Yes, that's another danger. I think with a chat GBT is that it will give it will give us back but it will give the worst of us back unquestioningly. And that's what good writing is designed to not do. Yeah, yeah.
