22Jul21 Community Call

8:18PM Jul 22, 2021

Speakers:

Jeff Barnum

Louisa Barnum

Tim Kennedy

Lorraine Smith

Mary

Keren Flavell

Keywords:

consciousness

concepts

thinking

machines

question

world

idolatry

present

called

nature

reality

people

manifestation

exercise

creating

shift

module

static

grow

book

It's my Robin Hood alert. Does anybody get this?

No?

What is that?

This is a newsletter of the nature Institute.

Oh, okay.

And they do. They do good teams science. And they they're over in New York and they have workshops. And they have a new book, Craig Aldrich, who helps run the institute has a new book. And he's just a great writer. He really is. He's, he's, like sensitive, and he's personal. But he's very exact in his thinking. And he also knows both sides of science sort of the machine slash chemicals slash natural science. But then he, he does a lot of observations and studies in The Guardian method. And he's written this article about the bison. Anyway, I might scan it in and share it on the community platform.

How many pages is it?

The article is like, Oh, okay. The newsletters like 1920 pages, the articles, probably seven, seven pages, because it's an excerpt of his new book, seeing the animal whole and why it matters. And that the whole thesis with the work is that the animal and its environment are one. And the animal the animal speaks the language of the environment, and the environment speaks the language of the animal, they speak the same language. And, and so and they co evolved. So we always think that the landscape came first and the animal came second. But this is this is almost a way of seeing that. These, these two are listening to the same formative impulses, you know, the same, same score. Anyway, fascinating work. Anyway, I'll scan it in and share it once I read it. Alright, so today is the last in a series in which we've been looking at the hut. And what I prepared a little slideshow, and I wanted to do an exercise today with you, and whoever watches the video to really land the difference in in yourselves, and make sure that we can talk about this and understand it as a community here. between what I've been calling thinking in abstractions, and, and you could also say, thinking with thoughts, thoughts that are already finished in their concepts, and you compare them and you and and they move and they relate to each other. But then there's another way of thinking that is much more in the present, in which the thought as a finished form plays a smaller roll. And I want to I want to kind of experience those two realms today. Hey, Karen. So before I dive in Kitt, Can y'all just just join the call and say what you're coming in with so that we can hear each other's voices and connect a bit. And then Karen, I was just telling the group that I want to do an exercise and these two different ways of thinking and talk about them and see how they're, they're landing with you both, I mean, so anybody can start. Let's just check in a bit.

I'm here with gratitude.

I'm coming in feeling very physically tired. It's been a really intense few days. And so I'm just feeling like I'm finding pockets of energy to keep going

coming in with my head blown. I just got off the call with someone that is really creating the entire new world system and to make the old word obsolete. So just landing with a little bit of dismay at that. So more, more, more on that later because I know a few of you be curious.

Yeah, I think I'm similarly blown out right now. I got asked to present a lot more this morning for the conclusion of our six basic exercises, an eightfold path and was inspired to really try and pull down the path of Venus around the earth as a model of the six basic exercises and the nature of music as a model of the Eightfold Path. And that really just unfolded in a way that I now have to present about it for a while. So trying to take notes and catch my breath.

I am feeling like jelly, because we just all worked out as a family with free weights. I can barely write. And I hope I can get through the day. But it's really it's really, it's really good. So I'm good.

Cool. Yeah, I'm similarly wiped out physically. noodle noodle arms.

Give this book.

A I have had it. I don't have it currently.

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Yeah. Oh, awesome. All right. Can you send me a screenshot of that?

Yeah, I will. Maybe maybe send me a text or something. Try to scan in this chapter. I just I love coolamon because he's so he's so dry. He's He's just so it's very dry.

And precise. Like, yes, he has refined it to its essential. Yeah. And then so

he and I, and you know, I'm looking at like eight books by him. I'm a collector. He just has such care and dignity in his thinking. To render it fully transparent. Just, it's just an endless, endless resource, this phenomenology of consciousness, Moran and Karen, if you're interested in that, he's, he's really just like, good. But anyway, that's he he makes that bridge between the six basic exercises which are in steiners work, and of course, the Eightfold Path from Buddhism. So it's an interesting

question.

Yeah, for those who don't know, here's, here's my drawing of what Venus does around the earth. And the eight years of birth is at the center. And for those who don't know, the six basic exercises, the sixth exercise is harmony. So it can also be seen as a five fold with a six harmonizing all of the five. So that's, that's the root of that idea.

Hey, but as long as we're on cool books

Hang on. Just real quick.

I think I gave away all my cooler when books because I don't know I didn't connect to as writing so now, I'll have to re gather.

So you know, this, this astronomical question of, of that sign in the middle of the planets or the earth in the middle with the sun orbiting it is an interesting question, because, obviously in the Copernican worldview, we think the and from a gravitational perspective, the planets orbit the sun, and yet, did you follow Barfield start, you realize, well, that's we, we construct that world picture in our mind. And so it's also possible to then reposition the earth as in the center and have that just from a geocentric perspective and then the sun moves around the Earth and the planets move around the sun. And then you get things like that Venus drawing. And in the old in the old world, Venus and and even now Venus. So that's the drawing. Yeah. And you can see there's a five, there's a five, loop pattern. Okay, so this dotted line is the sun. But Venus is moving around the sun as the sun moves around the Earth, okay? And, and yet, this isn't perfectly fivefold, it's a little bit off. So every now and again, there's six. Because of the shifts, and from what I understand, I've never seen this with my own eyes. This is what Dennis told us long ago, in those in those years or decades. The five petal plants which are the rows in the Apple family, sometimes have six petals.

Here's a sketch of it on the apple. Oh, yeah, there you go.

Nice. Okay, this is another this is another

note what book was that?

This is called movement and rhythms of the stars by shorts. Okay.

Okay, so this is a perfect introduction to today's topic, because what I want to go back to just briefly before, you know, we've just finished writing module for that, which means, after some polishing and video production, it's going to be released. So we're, we've, we've we've, you know, climbed a huge mountain. But Module Three, kind of rests on a shift in consciousness, that I want to make sure we really have talked about enough to hear your thoughts and get the language that makes sense to you. So you're helping us with our formulation here. And the distinction that I'm trying to make here is, at first a kind of subtle distinction, but it becomes something you can really notice in your consciousness and in your mind. And what I want to do is just go through it again with a couple of different pictures, and then talk about it and maybe do an exercise so we can so socialize this a bit. Can everybody see this picture? Okay, so

when

we go through school, and we grow up in childhood, with the wonder of childhood, if you can remember back to your childhood, if it wasn't too full of pain and trauma, to the mental space in the emotional space of, of joy, or creativity, or belonging, or unset brightness. And then as we grow older, we we form in our, in our minds and souls a kind of distinct mental and conceptual life that we didn't have when we were really young. And that mental and conceptual life because of our education and culture gets filled with a certain content. beliefs and we've called it programming we've called it content, we've called it learning and that is very useful, because it's, it's an it's an intellectual exercise. But it's also an accumulation of fixed or you could say fully formed ideas, fully formed thoughts that are more or less static in nature. And so we were taught, for example, the model of human being or of money or of the atom or of whatever it is, and it's like a fixed concept in a textbook. This is how it Is, and we take up that concept. And a lot of us just live with that concept for the rest of our lives. Because that's what we learn when we're a kid. And we accumulate that and that sort of sits on a shelf somewhere. And if you study and you keep up, then you can see that these concepts change. Over time, Tim pointed that out last time. And yet, if you don't, you can just live with whatever your concepts your store of concepts is for decades, right? So this, this store of concepts because it's static, accumulates it our thinking within that sphere of static and accumulated concepts, becomes enclosed in its own little sphere, its own little sort of static, conceptual accumulation of knowledge. Okay, and this is perfectly adequate for things that don't change. But for many spheres of life that change and evolve, and it can become a problem because we encounter living reality, whether in our relationships or in our biography, or in our jobs, and our fixed concepts become challenged, they are too fixed into finished and our connections between those fixed concepts don't hold up. So I want you as an example, I just want to take you through a mental exercise. Now, I don't know how you learned about the human body, and for example, thinking and digestion and consciousness, but um, it is part of our culture, too. When people think about the consciousness, they think about the brain. And so I just want to stop screen sharing for a second. Can I just kick when you? Do you ever think about when you think about consciousness? Do you think about your body or your mind? Or think about yourself? Do you ever form a mental picture of your anatomy, or you could say anatomy in general, you know, nerves, brains, blood vessels, little particles moving through your system? Anybody ever kind of think in those terms? Okay, so just me and Lauren. But that's, that's an aspect of education. And you can hear it a lot in our culture, in terms of the way that we're wired. In terms of the the, what happens in the brain, people saying, My brain is my brain hurts. Anybody ever say that?

My nerves are shot. So there's a, in our culture, there's a kind of dominant paradigm of expressing a state of mind and soul and inner state, but in a way expressing it in anatomical terms. Okay, so it's not to say that those anatomical terms are not accurate. But what I want to draw attention to is the move the shift from felt phenomena to abstraction. in a, in a world of static concepts of finished concepts. That makes sense. So let me just stop there and and see if y'all have any comments or questions about that before moving on.

Could you repeat the shift?

Yeah. So the shift is from a felt experience a phenomenal experience to a concept or an expression that's based on our anatomy, or based on something in a way external to that inner experience.

Is it almost like projecting those feelings onto a physical part? Is it projection?

It's a it's a belief in the physical? right what I'm after and why is that important? So, this comes out of the work of Barfield, what we do in the natural sciences is we create concepts and then we designate we ascribe reality to those concepts and say this is real. Okay, so we say this is where it's at, no all the brain science and all the neuroscience and all that this and that goes in that direction, which is again not to say is wrong, but it is a certain point of departure. And we forget that me have created the concept of the brain or the nervous system and we forget our role in constructing the reality that we believe is real. And then we believe that that reality is outside of us

and

that we are within it. So, so, we believe that there is an objective reality in which we exist as enclosed organisms, but we forget that that is our construction. And Barfield calls that the idolatry of the study, calls idolatry in the old sense of inventing something, ascribing reality to it and worshiping it, and being beholden to it. And this is reason this is so important, in Module Three, and even in Module Two already, is that we want to be aware, be aware when we're doing that. And we want to be able to shift our attention and our consciousness back into the phenomenal world of what we're actually perceiving. And we want to be, we want to become aware of how our consciousness is moving in us we want to be I want to become aware of the constructing ability of consciousness.

Okay, so So these two shifts between the gray circle and salmon colored, you know, apricot circle, are really in your, in your reality between, say, shifting between thinking about your brain, or your bones, or your blood vessels, or your nerves, which you will never see. Okay, they will never, your brain will never be part of your phenomenal experience. If it is, you're in big trouble. Okay, but your phenomenal experience is what is going on in your thinking. And I want you to learn to feel the difference between farting and thinking. Where thought ing is the churn of finished static concepts. Like the tumbling of rocks in a rock tumbler where you have, but they don't really get polished, they just stay wherever they are. It's called associative thinking. It's called Point to Point thinking, do useful. You need it. But it's just it's limited. And it becomes it becomes wearing on the mind and soul as we as we age and we want to grow spiritually, our static fixed ideas and beliefs become an obstacle. So to shift into the phenomenal world and to practice both perception in insane nature, but the senses, but also to practice, awareness of cognition, awareness of awareness, awareness of thinking feeling and the will, is shifting out of conceptual thinking into a present state of experiencing experience as it happens. Okay, and so let me just stop there and see what's coming up for y'all. Let's see if the shift is clear.

I feel like it makes rational sense as you're describing it, and I can relate to what you're saying. And then when I really try to, like, let it in, to get a bit momentarily met up, my brain hurts. Because I'm thinking about thinking, and I'm thinking about how I've been thinking about thinking, and you know, so I can, I feel like I need a few rounds with this to really integrate it in a practical or practical way.

That's what's happening to me. Excellent. Thank you for sharing that.

I'm finding that it's resonating a lot with the, you know, the philosophy, the Buddhist philosophy, awareness, manifestation. So I feel like that's where we're going with this is to be in true creation mode. So I don't want to steal the punchline, if that's not where we're going or open, if it is, but that's where I feel like, it's all part of that world of, you know, why? Why place our constraints on it based on this, you know, you're born and you have various moments of initiation of getting a job, getting married, having an 18th birthday, we are all of this, and, and really saying, actually, you know, we can we can do things outside of that framework. So yeah, I'm enjoying it.

And sort of thinking about organizational development, or, you know, a lot of the language around that, and tools, static sorts of concepts. And then you have within yourself, what you know, really works or what happens through connection and relationship and so on. That isn't recognized, large way in those concepts.

I'm not quite sure if this is what you were meaning, but I kind of have a built on what you just said, Mary. And just to put it in my words, it's kind of the difference between maybe being present and not present, and why would you not be present, because you're in this other world of sorting, or abstractions around either semi conscious thought forms telling you old stories and beliefs, but to get really present is actually astonishingly difficult. And to to actually sit with the phenomena in the moment requires you to not know, or to let go of what you think, you know, and try and observe without leaping and jumping into conclusions, or assessments. It's very challenging to do.

We use a lot of machine language in how we talk about things. Input and Output are outcomes and

computing. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Could be little dangerous. Because we're not machines, you know, right.

So it is extremely dangerous for two reasons. It gives us It gives us great power. But by but is in essence, an outcome of human consciousness, gradually evolving and removing itself from nature and gaining autonomy and independence and really thought. Because thought, as me experience hasn't always been experienced by all of humans. And so, in the ancient world, people didn't really have thought, as any, any kind of any kind of close approximation of what we think of as thought.

For then,

what lived in them as a as a soul and animating principle was not dissimilar to what lived in nature. And when it rained and thundered, and the wind blew, and the sunshine and the stars wheeled about, they felt that as completely Akin and similar and connected to what moved in them when they walked in, move their arms and made food and sing songs. So only with the beginning of Greek culture does does do we can we find the beginning of a emancipation of thought, as we know, it's very gradual process over centuries and centuries. So it gives humans power to construct machines and control and things like that, which leads to benefits and harms technology as a double edged sword. But it also then, you know, creates or makes possible this idea of the self. And so anyway, that's a bigger conversation. But where I want to go with this, to your point, Karen, is, is not so much to manifestation, but towards I would say, creativity and creation, but it creation in service. So in the phenomenal world, and in the mind, and the life of the mind and soul, what we're going to be doing in Module Three is finding in those phenomena, latent potentials. So we're going to be finding phenomena in thinking and feeling and the will, which we normally overlook. But when we attend to them, they grow and they become they help us grow freer, they help us grow more creative, they help us grow more attentive, and more compassionate and more loving, more

capable.

And so I was just reading that read a story from the 13th century Zen Buddhism, about a conversation between a people and a an old man. And the old man says to the people, nothing is concealed in the entire universe. And so so the idea here is that everything that the ancient people called the gods, the creative forces, the Christ, the so on and so on, and so on. It is all present in the phenomena that are available to us that we usually overlook, and don't know how to see and, and tease out the phenomena of experience in the phenomenal world. And say, okay, that's real. And now I can allow that I can welcome that I can get to know that particular innate potential. And so that's how we're approaching the development of consciousness in Module Three. So just want to kind of land this with everybody and see if this is if this is amenable and interesting. Yeah,

Yeah, I put jokingly putting out the secret book because you know that that is the sort of negative side of manifestations. Just look at those. I'm George diamonds and you'll get them, you know, it's bullshit, obviously, right. But there is something about options opening up when you are really just open to it. So, yeah, I'm really loving where this is going.

Yeah. And I kind of felt that in what you said. But as you just alluded to manifestation also has a self serving connotation in our culture these days. And yet, I think what you're pointing to is much more of a partnership and dialogue and co creation, or co manifestation or allowing,

and maybe it's to do with those, those five, you know, the five, and then they become the six, maybe it's just the flow we're always meant to have. Right? Why I'm my mind's blown a little bit, this guy was talking about how they can be adding in all your iting data, or all your mind, calendar, all of that. And that that actually really helps figure out what, you know, it's taking it to the end. Obviously, we've seen this a lot in some decision making, etc, you, you do the, whatever it's called the, you know, I can't even think of the name where you've got your LGB not LGBTQ. But what it what is the one with you've got certain?

Oh, the infj?

Yes, exactly, exactly. Thank you called the enneagram. That's right, you know, and this is just taking it to the sort of extreme again, we can blend them all. And then you sort of realize, well, it was destined to happen, and just get out of the way, but you're supposed to have this flow in life. So I wonder whether it's somewhat related to this. If you really present your being a good question,

you bring up a really good question, because what we're going to be doing in Module Three, is by staying in the realm of analog experience, and the phenomenal experience, which I would say, There's even an exercise in Module Three of doing a media fast, right to take some times off screen and be in nature be with the world as it presents itself.

Without the screen. And, and so the reason I bring this up is that the way that technology is going, we now don't only have industrial technologies and information technologies, we have consciousness technologies. And I be doing some research in the next few months about the screen. And what happens in in the mind in that experience, which which is the phenomenal experience, but also the brain with these screens, because there is a is important, something important is happening in evolution right now without consciousness and these technologies. And I do know a lot of people who are working on technologies to serve humanity. And the question that I always bring up is, if the computer figures it out, will we still remain free? And so you can imagine a time not to maybe in our kids future, maybe when we're old, where quantum computing has a role for every human being, the quantum computer figures it out, and we all have our place in the world. And if you everybody behaves, we can save the earth and save the resources and blah, blah, blah, blah. And when that happens, do we still can we say no? You know, can we do things differently than the AI wants us to do them? So this brings us back to our own organs of perception and our own consciousness. Can we perceive enough of reality to make the decisions that are good for us and good for others? Or do we have to be told what to do?

Well, this might be a sidestepping or or Whatever. There's a veering off. Yeah. But I just wanted to refer back to the idolatry of the study from ballfields work. So what I remember you saying about that was inventing something, ascribing reality to it, and then being beholden to it. So that seems to be a description of our lives, almost in their entirety. And so we have this massive problem of rolling back, first being beholden to it, which is the Shadow Work. And a part of that is the reality, the reality that we've subscribed to it, which is getting to know our habit loop. And then inventing, right, so those are those are sort of First Person experiences of this idolatry. But we have to now come to know the invention itself, which is the worldview that we're that we live in and believe in. So this is a this is a very big problem. And I was just looking at the website that you shared. And I haven't really looked very deeply into it at all just had a quick squiz. But it was interesting to see because I saw a lot of that, potentially, you know, in what they're trying to do. In so many of these social change efforts. There's a there's an invention going on of what these systems are and what they're doing and how we solve the problems of the systems. So this is a pretty fascinating thing. It's like, Oh, my God, we have to go all the way back to consciousness itself, in order to unpack the riddles that we've created.

And Louisa, just to clarify a little Do you mean, when you look at that website, you see the problematic version, the idolatry version, or, or not that?

Well, again, I hardly looked at it. But it was a lot of a lot of the impact investing realms, as far as I can tell. They really believe that if they just invest in the right projects, they will solve the problems. And they've decided, which are the projects that you know, will solve the problems. And that's extremely logical and complete, you know, everybody's thinking along these lines, but they are not yet aware of this whole concept of idolatry that Barfield has brought forward that Jeff is just talking about. So I'm you know, it's not something that I know a whole lot about, but um, you know, it's a fascinating thing to realize that this is how we continue to perpetuate the problems that we're trying to solve is because we do not take it all the way back to consciousness itself.

Yeah, that's helpful. And I ask, and I realize we're being recorded. And but I'm gonna say that pretty candidly and transparently anyway. And it's very possible that I'm just wrong, which has happened many times. But I, and this is an odd form to share this,

and I can always edit something out of the recording to

cool, or you can just overdub and make me write. But I did just want to share, Karen, because you brought it up here. I had a number of conversations with Mark last year. And why I backed away because it didn't, I couldn't find the there there. And it struck me that it was churn in the world of like, the ultimate world of the old things. And yeah, and there was a number of rounds of like kind of being pursued and trying to get me it was trying to pull me into his network. And I just it didn't feel like it had the substance and I didn't have the vocabulary as to why I just felt like cellularly like something's not connecting here as quite possible a that I'm wrong and or be that things have evolved in people that he's collaborating with or kind of filling those gaps and but I just wanted to share that as a bit of a word of caution. Not to crap on other people's parties, but but I just did anyway.

Well, it's it's he's you know, I think I've met him A lot of people over the years who are doing this kind of thing, and they have, sometimes they have a lot of resources, and sometimes they don't have any. But but their solutions are along similar lines. And I think it's, it's completely legitimate and understandable and may do a lot of good. But what I hope that is sort of coming across is that we need to go far more deep before we're really going to be able to actually grow out of both the solutions that were that these kinds of solutions and the problems.

Tim, were you saying something there earlier? And you were on mute?

No, I had unmuted, but was about to say. Yeah, I'd love to, if you can put it in the chat. Karen, I'd love to do some research. On one of my favorite phrases is that there's not usually gold at the end of that rainbow. Especially when the rainbow is really bright or pretending to be a new kind of rainbow.

Yeah, no, I agree. It was a little bit but Buckminster Fuller Institute's now involved with it. So you know, maybe there's, it's growing towards the thing that, you know, he was planning back there, but I hear you, and I really appreciate that. I think what, you know, when someone has a hammer, they always, you know, think something's in there. I think that's really where you go. And Louisa isn't?

I mean, the question will be, I think, you know, and this, this comes out of steiners work as well. There are certain things that will happen, that are inevitable. But the question will remain about how they happen. So I mean, Steiner even pointed to computers 100, and something years ago, and he said, very, very soon, they're gonna be machines based on oscillations, that will transfer human qualities into machines. And these machines will become a big part of human life. And the integration of the human and the machine is going to be baked into our evolution. And people were like, What are you talking about, but this is before tearing, and before? You know, before we saw the one zero thing come to life? So take that for what it's worth. But what I do take from that is, well, we, for example, find technical solutions. Will we compel other human beings to participate in them? Or will we include the sphere of culture, and this and the sphere of culture is the sphere of the individual, out of which we derive dignity, and wholeness and social health? Because you can have a perfect machine in which humans have no choice. And they will tear it down. Eventually, they will tear it down, because that's not what human evolution needs. Human Evolution doesn't need paradise on earth. And that's a big pill to swallow, is that there will never be paradise on earth. Right? It's just not. Not possible, and we can get into that. But this drive for solving the problems. You always have to keep in this I see it. You always have to keep in mind, well, where is the human, not where you the human, where you founder are, I can see you on the screen like there is you but where other humans whom you don't know who's whose agency, you don't understand whose destiny You don't understand. Where is their autonomy and their self determination and their voice in in your plan, and if you don't have it in your plan, you can be sure it's not going to work.

I hope this this is a good fit, but I've got a dear friend who's working with GPT three. You guys know GPT three, it's a conversational AI that's read everything ever published, and works on cloud form, thought processes to find truths based on the grand sum total of everything ever written today. It can read and he He's charged with teaching it creativity. office, he and I talking about space inviting me to have conversations with this entity, right? And for me that that conversation of is, is the truth based on the sum total aggregate of the past of humanity and human thinking, or is the process of being human about intuiting the future, as as creating, and how, how to build that into the process of what we appreciate about human beings. I think that the way we had to separate ourselves from nature so much to realize nature Deficit Disorder, I think the current consciousness separation and misunderstanding of consciousness will lead us in the end to recognizing what consciousness really is of the human being, and the role of, of drawing things from the future into the present. As opposed to building on the past. I got really loud around me with a lot of machines. So I don't know but I did we I

think we got it. But you were surrounded by a jet plane.

Motorcycles tried to chime in on my thoughts about

the machines are talking back to us. Yeah.

I think that we're up against that question of, of, if, if we are not going to be the knowing species, what will we evolve to? If it's not a homosapiens activity anymore? What is the essential nature if once we've outsourced, knowing, to create in ourselves, the role of humanity its next phase, and whether that's out of it? conducting morality or ethics or, or intuiting, the future, the things that only we can do, I think become our new foundation.

I think we can outsource a certain type of computation.

But

living thinking and attentiveness or in other words, creating the attentional structures into which the future emerges. That doesn't belong in the, into the computer.

And that's what I would say is the distinction between knowing and thinking or thought.

Yeah, and I think people often conflate information, with knowledge, all too easily.

Well, these are good questions. But it's time to wrap that up. I want to see I want y'all to just, you know, as we go forward and start to produce these videos, we're gonna have more of these conversations, but it's all around making room in the daily practice, for

Hang on, somehow, I got over to my calendar, for this experience of the phenomenal world, that we're calling the hut. Because there is now going to be in your work, a growing

not a virtual place in terms of on the screen, but in actual parallel place. That is not your everyday consciousness. But that tracks alongside your everyday consciousness that is there on another plane, and we've we've talked about that as the superconsciousness. And, and, or the plane of the source. And so as we build this hut, as we, as we do this work, that will grow more and more perceptible, you know, less and less latent and hidden, it's always there functioning, otherwise you would not be able to speak or think. But it will become, I would say, just more and more close, closer and closer. So that's where we're kind of going. Why so that when we're doing that creative work, and we're in the gap of uncertainty and we're in the not knowing we have resources there. We have resources for endurance and love and patience and humanity and, and fullness, no matter what's coming to meet us, you know, flowing out of the future, or coming from the past wherever it comes from. Alright, let's just do a quick checkout. And then we'll wrap it up. Thanks for coming today. Grateful, and I'm hoping this is landing for you and that you're excited about it. That's me.

I'm excited and grateful. So you grabbed my two words. Thank you.

Me too.

Feeling resonant and harmonious.

Yeah, I'm grateful. I think I would be excited. But I'm so tired. And this feels like it's tiring. But in a goodbye like a sprinting, mental sprinting fatiguing. So kind of excited.

I will be excited

after the rest was awesome. Thank you.

Great.

Let me see you're on mute.

My checkout is I took a bunch of notes. I always learn a lot from Jeff. You'd think that I would absorb it by osmosis. But unless that's not how it works. But as Yes, fascinating. I'm fascinated. Thank you, Jeff.

Welcome. All right. Well, we'll see you soon, everybody. Okay, that's two weeks, two weeks vacation.

Thank you for time off by the mountain. Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah.