Meaning to Share Podcast: Ep 009 - Kammie Kobyleski

7:23PM Sep 5, 2021

Speakers:

Meredith McCreight

Kammie Kobyleski

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You know, I'm finding myself on the doorstep or threshold of facing that again, you know, we think we're invincible and it's kind of like oh, I'm I'm on meds and it's regulating things and I'm eating better and you know, all these habits that I've put in place, but like we all backslide, and so I've been backsliding and it was real intense for a couple of months. And my body's like, Hey, girl, hey, if we're not cool, nothing else happens. You can't do for yourself or others. So slow the EFF down.

This is Meaning to Share, the podcast where we explore the amazing gifts of seemingly average individuals, proving that everyone has a meaningful skill or talent or strength that is unique only to them, and which they are destined to share with others during this lifetime. I'm your host, Meredith McCreight. I spent decades painfully trying to fold myself into the boxes that other people, the media and society created for me, until I realized there was only one authentic version of me. And that is more than enough. In fact, it's divine. I want to show my guests and you the listeners that each of us is meant for greatness. It's already in you. You just have to choose to see it and embody it. Now my guest doesn't know ahead of time which gifted there is we'll be discussing, so please enjoy this unscripted, honest, delicious conversation with one of my favorite people. This is Meaning to Share.

Today I'm sitting down with Kammy Kobyleski. Kammie's eclectic work experience began in radio broadcasting and led to event marketing for luxury brands such as Grand Marnier, a Tanqueray, and Moet Chandon. She then found her home in higher education serving in various roles from academic affairs, career coaching, teaching, and most recently in fundraising and development. She's worked at Lindenwood University, Arizona State University and Yavapai College. As a coach, Kammie loves to share innerspace best practices to support conscious entrepreneurs, soul centric business owners, badass creatives and corporate wellness teams. Her special blend of creative strategy meets practical magic supports and activates new now leaders looking to uplevel and catalyze their next quantum leap. Kammie is the host of the inner space station podcast, formerly cosmix inner space podcast where she dives deep into science and spirituality, intuition and mindset, mental health and magic, creativity and innovation and conscious entrepreneurship and corporate wellness. Kammie and I met in Phoenix, Arizona in what we've determined was somewhere around 2008. It was at a networking breakfast for young professionals and I can't even remember the name of it, to be honest. We started meeting for lunches, cocktails and brunch, where we bonded over a psychology, astrology and creative expression. I left Arizona at the end of 2011 and we kept in touch over social media and email. And a few years ago, Kammie reached out for my help turning some of her paintings into a coloring book, which by the way is awesome, and it's for sale on her website at kammiek.com if you want to check it out, and then we went on to build a brand, a website and an online course for the new iteration of her business. And that's just the beginning. Today Kammie and I are talking about her incredible gift of intuition. We talk about how she first realized that she had psychic and energetic gifts, how she resisted them and how now she trusts the messages she receives and teaches others how to do the same. She's such a bright light. Please help me welcome my friend Kammie K.

Well, welcome Kammie, thank you so much for joining me.

Thank you. I'm so excited to be here.

Yay. I'm so excited. You're here. Tell us a little bit about you. Where are you from? What's your cultural background and upbringing?

Um, goodness, well, so I was born in Cleveland, Ohio. And then we moved to St. Louis, MO suburbs of St. Louis. So I consider St. Louis kind of my hometown. I lived there from the time I was like, in first second grade till I went to college all the way through college. And then yeah, after college, I kind of took off and lived in Texas for a couple years then went back to St. Louis, then moved to Phoenix, lived in Phoenix for 10 years. And now I reside in Prescott, Arizona, which is north of Phoenix, and I've been here for three years. So that's kind of the where I've lived part of the story. Cultural background, um, I got a lot of Polish in me and some English I like my tea. My grandma liked her tea, and yeah, a lot of Eastern European kind of I haven't done the 23andme kind of stuff yet for the official but that's all I love me some potatoes and perogies. That kind of stuff. So it's definitely in my blood for sure. Yeah.

What about your family?

Like who they are and what they what they're about? What part do you want to know?

Yeah, what was growing up like?

So, my parents were, you know, they were kids of the 50s. And so it was like you got married really young, and you had kids, and that's what you did. And you didn't really explore your passions or, you know, purpose wasn't really people weren't purpose driven necessarily then. So they got married. And you know, middle class, my dad worked a bunch of different jobs. You know, my mom, I think she always worked when we were kids, but I don't really remember. And like I said, we lived in Cleveland. And then he got a job. He kind of up leveled that was like his up level. He got a job for McDonnell Douglas, which is Boeing now in St. Louis. And he didn't have a college education at the time. And they just saw skills within him. And he kind of moved up the ranks there and then paid for him to go to college. And he got his master's degree, but he worked in negotiations of contracts. And so there is a little bit of that business negotiation stuff that I think I have. And my mom worked mostly in administrative roles and various companies, and she worked in like a K through 12. And they were divorced and then remarried and then divorced again. And I have a sister has two and a half years younger than me, Karly. And yeah, and we're friends now to you know, I think we were we were friends always. But we were more of those like siblings who kind of like give each other I don't know, ish. And then wait, now we're friends. And that feels really good to to also be sisters and friends. So that's kind of that's that. That's the gist.

I did not know your parents were married twice. And divorced twice.

It's so crazy. So they divorced once for a year, basically. And I was little and my mom took us to Hawaii, from Cleveland to Hawaii live with her brother, my uncle and my cousins there, I'd never met them. So it was such a trip. And I still do have memories of it. Even though I was little like I remember being in Hawaii, I remember there being giant flying roaches and lizards everywhere. But it was so beautiful. And my uncle would just like scoot me and my sister up in like little south into the water. And I remember going to the Pearl Harbor like the boat and like the tour and stuff. And you know, you know about the gifts of intuition and whatnot that come through. I remember even then having like an experience of feeling the energy of what happened in this and that knowing as a kid that, you know, what I was floating over was a sight of a tragic incident for our country. So yeah, super interesting that I still have memories of that. But yeah, so anyway, then my dad wooed her back to Cleveland, they got remarried. Then we moved to St. Louis. And they were together again until right before I got into high school. And then they got divorced again. And then my dad remarried shortly thereafter. And he's been with my cell phone for like 30 years. So yeah.

Well, thank you for sharing that. I like to ask all my guests, just one quick response question. And that is, what is something that you have been meaning to share?

Oh, wow. I've listened to your podcast, I should have been anticipating this question, something that I've been meaning to share. I guess what just quickly came up for me is kind of something that I'm going through right now, which is just that we all require so much more rest. And as a recovering people pleaser overperfectionista whatever you want to call it, the rest piece and as a doer and a get shit doner, you know, I've had I had a krones diagnosis. And then in the past couple of years have gone through a whole journey with that and been on medications and things were very stabilized. And in June and July, I was exploring a lot of life questions and things and the directions that my life was going to go in. And I think that put my body through a lot of anxiety and stress and stress is the biggest trigger for it. And I am experiencing a small flare up of my symptoms, the number one being fatigue, and then the second one would be my tummy. And so rest and sleep and just putting ourselves first is so I think that like that message comes through a lot of the stuff I'm working on, even in trying to grow and launch a business but that message. So I don't know if that's something I've been meaning to share a long time, but it's coming through for me again, in another iteration. And I think everything that the world has been through if that wasn't already kind of a reset of like, we need to take time to rest and recharge, but like it's coming, it's coming through again, like in an even more intense way of like, this is critical self care time. You know, I think that's, that's a big one. Yeah.

Yeah, thank you for that. It's so important and like, I mean for everybody, but especially when you have an autoimmune disease that affects you so holistically through your body. It's just I've been feeling that a lot too. It's like this is kind of new to me too. I've I've been exploring the whole human design thing. And I'm a projector and I would have thought I was like a generator because I'm a doer. But now I understand why doing exhaust me so much because that's not what I'm supposed to be doing I'm supposed to be sharing big ideas and letting other people do the doing so working towards that and just like giving myself big chunks of rest when I feel really depleted.

Yeah, like I thought I had learned it. I mean, the universe put me on my ass for two years in bed, could barely do anything even how to take time off work medical leave and and then once I got on a medication and I made a move and left a job like I was took it serious like I took I saw the word slow in my mind back then a couple years ago and I knew I needed to it became clear, I needed to leave my job and leave where I was living, which was Phoenix and it's the hustle bustle of the city and the intensity of the energy and the stress of the job I was at. And so I moved to a smaller town and it's slower pace, and I have access to nature on the daily and, and my job isn't as stressful. And yet still, you know, I'm finding myself on the doorstep or threshold of facing that again, you know, we think we're invincible and it's kind of like, Oh, I'm on my meds and it's regulating things and I'm eating better. And you know, all these habits that I've put in place, but like we all backslide, and so I've been backsliding and it was real intense for a couple of months. And my body's like, Hey, girl, hey, if we're not cool, nothing else happens. You can't do for yourself or others. So slow the EFF down, you know? And it's it's just constant slowing down, slowing down, slowing down. And so yeah, here I am, again, taking notes about slowing slowing it down.

Yeah, isn't it just bananas that we like have to it's such a practice with everything that's good for us. It's such a practice and never becomes super easy. I almost think like you could relate it to even eating healthy because I'll go through periods where it will almost become normal for me to reach for vegetables before anything else. And I don't I don't crave fried foods or salty things or whatever. But then it's like something happens one day and all of a sudden I find myself making poor choices again. And I have to like intentionally get back into the routine. But it's like that with everything. I think that's good for me. It's hard to do. I don't know why that is.

Well. And it's super interesting that you that you framed it like that. And I'm not one to get like political about things. But what's been coming through for me in my awareness so much lately with everything that happened in 2020 and then since then, is like we are born into this patriarchal, I'm not really, I mean, I get it. But I'm not deeply embedded in those conversations. But I'm realizing the layers of the programming of the system we're born into, and we don't know it, because we're born into it. And so we don't even realize and then depending on your family and growing up and as a child, like what messages you get. So for me, and I think a lot of women especially it's put a smile on it, don't cry, pick yourself up by the bootstraps, get it done. And so it's just ingrained into our being. And so we become doers instead of beings. And like dismantling that, like I'm finding the layer after layer after layer and how it keeps showing up. And it's just nuts. It's fascinating and nuts at the same time. And I think that's just another layer of like, Oh, yeah, well, you know, you don't want to let people down and you don't want to look like a failure. And you don't want to look like you don't know what you're doing. And it's like the resistance to rest. Ooh, there we go. There's the title, got a book who wants to put a book out?

Oh, man, that's so true. Yeah, well, I am not even going to ask you if you have guesses what we want to talk about. Because well we'll get there in a second. But I just I think you're so magnetic, I remember when I first met you, you just sort of have this aura of love and light. And it just seems to like radiate from you. And I've just always found your energy to be really comforting and inviting. And I feel like even when you've struggled when you you know had your diagnosis, and were struggling with not feeling well and navigating some life changes and work stuff and business stuff or whatever, you've still carried yourself with that love and energy and I love seeing you try these new things in your business, which is so funny that you're like, who wants to publish my book, you're always like, I can do something new and put yourself out there. And I love seeing that. And I just think you have so many talents and strengths. And the one I want to focus on today is such a huge part of who you are. And you already mentioned it. And that's why I didn't even want to ask if you had any guesses because it's your intuition.

Oh, wow. Thanks. I mean, yeah, and it's coming through in such interesting and deeper and deeper ways. I didn't know that's what you want. I didn't know what you would want to talk. I was like, ooh, what is it that she because you never know how other people are perceiving you in which pieces they're inspired by are picking up so yeah, well, first of all, thank you for that. Thank you for saying that about my energy and and the love piece. I feel like love well love is one of my four core values. And so I love that you said love because this so what do you want to talk about about intuition?

Well, okay, so I feel like I'm kind of new to this realm in terms of—there's like different types of intuitives, right? Can you talk about what those are and then which one that you would say you are?

Hmm, such a good question. Well, here's what I'll say. One, there's no right or wrong way to be intuitive. We all are. It's just I feel like even those labels that You know, oh, I'm an intuitive or Oh, I'm a psychic or Oh, I'm a this or that. I think sometimes that scares people. And it makes people feel like they're doing it wrong because they don't do it the way they perceive someone else to be doing it. So I guess I would just start by saying there's not a right or wrong way to do intuition. Now there are different people, you know, some people like a psychic, and then there's a medium right there psychics and there's mediums so mediums would speak to dead, the dead. But really, everything is entered. If everything is energy, and it is we know this, then we're all getting information from different places, people entities being energy forces, God the universe, people say, our guides, oh, my guides told me this or that, what does that really mean? You know, some people know the names of their guides, because they ask and they get a name. I don't necessarily know the names of my guides, but I can tune into different energies, and they feel different. And that's as you're become more aware of playing with intuition and what that looks like. So yeah, I guess there's to answer your question, I guess there's different names. So some people would say their psychic, which would mean it could mean different things. I did a whole podcast episode on the clairs meaning clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, and that's using your senses to pick up messages, and I get them through all of them. But a huge one for me would be clairvoyance, I literally see pictures or visuals or images. But I also sometimes hear things I'll hear a word or a phrase, it's not like a voice in my head, like the other day, this was a voice in my head, I was sitting at my computer, and I was feeling really fatigued. And I heard go outside, I was like, received, okay, let me step away from the computer and go outside, you know, so I think sometimes people just ignore or don't know what that is, or trust what that is. But if you start to play with those things, when you're getting a message, other times it can be a repetitive medley, you know, something that you're seeing a word or a phrase that keeps coming up or showing up in your awareness. You know, those things are not just coincidences, those synchronicities happen, because that is how we receive our messages. And so those are all part of intuition. And whether you think intuition is coming from your highest cell, or again, your guides and a guide. So some people think guides are ancestors that are passing on the other side, sometimes they're potentially a past life, soul partner, and everybody has their own set of beliefs about where those messages are coming from. I guess for me, I, at the end of the day, believe it's my highest self communicating to me multi dimensionally, and I'm receiving those messages. Hmm. I don't know if that answered your question, or a long winded way around it.

No, I think that's so cool. And I think I am somewhat intuitive too. And I kind of experience it on multiple levels, I mostly get auditory things and I feel physical sensations about people's energy. So like, I can meet someone and like it's just bad juju. Or I can meet someone and just be like, this is a this is an awesome person, like, this is good energy. And then sometimes I don't feel anything at all until I get to know someone better. It's just not a message I receive. But yeah, but there was one I learned about recently, which is like, I might be getting the name and it's wrong, but I think it's called claircognizant, where people like just know things.

Yes.

I guess that's a that's a way of being psychic. But that is just like wild to me. I definitely never had that come through.

I do have that one really strongly. Also, like just a deep sense of knowing I did a tiny little TikTok the other day, kind of about that where it was just like an intuitive tip. So for me how I experience knowing Miss, which would be the claircognizance, a lot of times like, say you're watching a video or someone says something, or you're in a business meeting and someone says something, if you like, for me, I'll inhale and exhale. Like really deeply. Like, to me that's a yes, that what I'm hearing is true. Like, that's truth being spoken, or that lands for me, or that sort of a form of claircognizance is like something just hits me and it's like, oh, yeah, and I sink a little deeper into like, yes, that's a yes. What that person is saying is true. For me. It may not be true for everybody else at the table, or anyone else watching the video or hearing that but for me, it's like, oh, oh, yes. And I can kind of sink into it, then that hits me as a knowingness. That's how it sort of shows up for me, the knowingness or just even sometimes in decision making, it's just like sometimes it's very clear I yes or no other times. It's not super clear. And I need more information. Right. So sometimes I am standing by for further instructions. Because sometimes you just don't know.

Yeah, that's empowering too. I like the feeling of the deep breath. That's That's nice. I'm gonna like I'm gonna watch for that now.

Yeah, I find my body physically responding like I'll get I'll just be like mmmmmm. It just our bodies know, yeah.

Well are you up for a fun little on the spot exercise?

Sure.

What are you picking up about me or my energy today?

Oh, you feel really grounded today. Yeah, I don't know if you were but you seem really grounded. At first when we got on like it, you're further in your day than I am. So I don't know where I you know where I'm at. You and your day for me, it's earlier in my day, right? And so sometimes our energy as we're getting into our bodies and getting into our chairs and sitting down at the computer and all that stuff, but yeah, you felt a little like, you were still getting settled into being present in this moment. But you feel grounded overall today. How are you feeling?

I'd say that's pretty accurate. I was definitely doing a lot of work up until a call that I had just before this. And then I got off the call maybe like 30 minutes before our recording. So I was probably still coming down from being in like doing mode, you know? Which does not come easily to me. And yet, it's so hard to stop doing.

Yes, yeah. But you feel really present. You seem— you're here. Like sometimes we have conversations with people you can tell they're like in a million different places. But you feel present. And with me here and that feels good.

Good. Well, I remember you telling me like a very brief version of a story where you I don't know if it was the first time you realized you're talking about when you kind of had this really vivid vision and it was like somebody's room I think that you were able to say what was in the room? Can you tell us that story?

Yeah, so not to plug my own podcast again. But I did do an episode. I'm pretty sure episode number one. I talked about it. Yeah. So there was a lot of that happening for me. And I think I was around like 11. Right. And so also think about where we're at as a female right preteen about to start my period getting that and I feel like a lot of our intuition is tied into that they call it women's intuition often, right. But I do feel like our moon cycles are very deeply tied to receiving information and knowledge. And so that was also probably happening. My hormones were shifting and a lot of that stuff. Now looking back, I kind of see that that was a very powerful time for me as far as getting those gifts. And it's funny, because my mom always used to say, oh, you're like your great grandma and your grandma, they always she's called the vibes. Oh, they always have the vibes. And so that's been fun doing a little research too. And it brings me back to wanting to do more ancestral research because there was like Slovenia, Slovenia. That's a whole nother conversation. But so the story about that was my sister and I have two cousins, Jen and Trish that are similar. They're like within two, two years of us also. And they're two years apart, just like my sister and I. So we always have slumber parties over at my grandma's house, my dad's mom, and she always had fun jewelry and costume jewelry. And we would play with stuff and have just fun, fun little slum bees. And one time they had this foreign exchange student and she was from Russia, and she came over for the slumber or maybe she was a friend. I don't know how she landed. But she showed up one time for our slumber party. And she had like a deck of cards and was shuffling the cards. It was just a regular deck of playing cards. And we did a few like, oh guests the card guess the number and I would guess them. And then she was like, Oh, you're super intuitive. And I was like, What is that? I don't know what that means. And she was like, Well, everybody has it. But not everybody knows it. But we can all do these things. Just some people are more tuned into it than others. And she was like, okay, close your eyes. And I was like, What? So I close my eyes. And she was like, Okay, try to imagine what my room in Russia looks like. And I was like, how would I know I just met you. I have no idea like what your room in Russia looks. I only know what Russia looks like at that point. Right? I didn't have any idea. As soon as I close my eyes, though. And she said that I got that like movie screen just popped up. And I saw a room in my head. And I was like, This can't be her room. But I'll go ahead and tell her what I see. It was very detailed and very vivid. There was like a specific kind of rug on the floor and these floor to ceiling bookshelves. I had all these dolls on them and these floor to ceiling windows like a park outside the window with these gas lamps that I saw. And I could see her bed was like a day bed. And I named all of those things off. And then when we were when I was done kind of walking through the room visually in my mind, she was like, Yeah, those dolls my parents have collected since forever. They travel the world and don't know that my grandma made that rug, she makes handmade rugs and that park is XYZ Park and I was just like what? So yeah, then I remember after that I started kind of looking for books, but found some that maybe leaned a little more towards the dark arts and it freaked me out. And so like I kind of stopped because I had a few incidents like that that sort of started to happen where I would see very clearly things Yana got me freaked out. So I stopped investigating or going down that rabbit hole for a while for a couple of years. Yeah.

So your cousin or whoever was asking you this question knew that you were intuitive. Does she have similar gifts?

No. So this was the girl. I don't know what my cousin's were doing. I mean, I think they were in the room and like listening and watching but this was the girl who had said when she was playing with of cards, and I was guessing some of the cards she's the one that said, Oh, you know, you're super intuitive. Let's play this other game and she had me visualize the room. Hmm, yeah. So I don't know that my cousins are I mean, we don't keep in regular touch. So I don't know my sister is getting more aware of her. intuition. And that's cool to see and watch. She's tuning into nature a lot, which nature has lots of messages for us. And so I love that for her that she's dialing that up a little bit and tuning in with nature. And I mean, again, we all do. It's cool to see it show up for people and they don't even know that's what's happening, like they're not aware. And when you see the patterns, or the cycles of things show up for people. Yeah, that's fun to watch.

Cool.

I'm interrupting for just a moment to quickly fill you in on a little something you may have noticed, there hasn't been a new episode released in the past few weeks, I started this podcast after I received a download from the universe to just do it without overthinking it. And so that's exactly what I did. I definitely underestimated what I was getting myself into. I was cranking out weekly episodes, which felt really amazing from a momentum perspective. And I was enjoying having these amazing conversations. But it's just a ton of work. I'm a one woman show. And at present, I don't get paid to produce this podcast. Reaching out and securing guests, preparing for interviews, recording, editing, creating the show notes page on my website, and generating and editing the transcript. I do all of that myself. I honestly love it. And I wish it was my full time job. But that's not the reality, not yet anyway, and to be fully transparent, I got extremely burnt out. So I intentionally took a break and decided to feel into what I wanted this experience to look like. And I knew that I loved the concept of the show. And I wanted to keep that consistent, but I needed to slow down the pace. So where I've landed is really still part of the experiment that is this podcast journey for me. And so currently, I'll be launching new episodes on a somewhat random cadence. So my best guess is that you can expect a new episode every two to three weeks, sometimes more often, sometimes less. And you know, maybe that will change again. But for now, just make sure you're subscribed wherever you stream the show. So you can get a notification whenever a new episode drops. Okay, friend back to the show.

What are some experiences that you've had, maybe between when you were reading some of the Dark Arts stuff and pulled away from it, and then when you started to come back to it as an adult, what were some things in between there where it sort of solidified for you that this was definitely a gift that you had?

In high school, that so so that was like when I was around 11 when the girl the whole visualizing her room. And then I probably like I said, took a pause. And then in high school, it started to kind of show up again, I remember a group of us were at a carnival and had been drinking a little and we were under age. And so a couple people that had beverages and a group of us were walking towards some cars, we were parked a few streets over to leave the carnival. And there were two carfuls of us. And I remember seeing like a cop card in my mind drive through with the lights flashing. And I remember thinking, ooh, this, you know, people have been drinking and this could be not so cool if somebody got pulled over. And the first carload pulled out, and a cop then pulled behind them and like pulled them over. And I was like what I mean, I had just seen it, and then it happened. And I was just like, you know, blew it off, like, Oh, that's just a coincidence that I happen to see a car, you know, a cop car with lights flashing roll through my mind. And then it literally just happened. And so stuff like that would happen. I think also synchronicities would start to happen, which I also think is very tied into that when when things kind of keep showing up into your awareness or seem like coincidences that you think of something and then it shows up in your reality. So that's what happened on an off through high school. And then in college, I think I started tuning in again, I studied a lot of like Eastern philosophies and religions and psychology and philosophy. And I remember reading the book, the Celistine Prophecy. Have you ever read that one by James Redfield?

No, but I know what book you're talking about. My sister had it.

Yeah. And then they turned it into a movie. And the movie is a little cheesy, but it actually does a pretty good job. It's kind of like almost done like, Indiana Jones type adventure. But it does talk about sort of like intuition and synchronicity and how we tune into spirit and some of those kinds of things. But I remember that book, I just got it. I understood it, it felt like Yes, I understand. And yes, I see a lot of these things show up in my own life. And so I guess if someone's interested in exploring intuition that sort of can show it through a fictional story, instead of just like a how to type of a thing. So yeah, it showed up again, in college, and then it's just shown up on and off, like, I just listen, you know, when I when I got out of college and went to work in marketing, and I'd been at a company for several years, and I wasn't feeling you know, I was hitting that wall of like, I don't feel satisfied, I need to move on. I need to grow and expand, but I don't know where, what or why or how. And I went on a trip to visit a friend at the beach and kind of tuned into the beach. And I remember her asking me like, well, what are you going to do? This was in like, September, what are you going to do? Are you going to stay at this job and I was like, I just all of a sudden got a download, which is what I call it now. But I didn't know that's what it was then where I was like, You know what, I'm going to be doing something new somewhere new in the new year, and I don't know what that is or where so that was in September and literally by January of that next year, so Within four or five months, I was living in Texas working a new job in a place where I knew no one I had no at that moment, I didn't know I had connections or that wasn't even on my radar. And then it just when I got back from the beach trip, I got a hit from a friend who was like, Hey, are you interested in, you know, this job in Texas. And I was like, I've never been to Texas. So tell me all about it. And then it just kind of lined up and the doors flew open. And then I boom ended up moving to Texas. And that has happened to me multiple times with my career specifically, where it's shown up really, like loud and clear. And all the doors fly open. And when the doors fly open, I just say yes, and walk through them. I don't I don't second guess or doubt them. So I guess I've trusted my intuition, because it's not steered me in the wrong direction. Hmm, yeah.

Love that. In your experience. What do you think is the relationship between intuition and manifestation? Because it sounds like you kind of intuited that that new opportunity was coming. But how much of your trusting in that actually manifested that?

Yeah, well, I think even just putting it out there verbally like that was my first experience with consciously like, well, I still wasn't conscious that that's what I was doing. Because I said it right, I declared it and put it out into the universe is that I don't know what why or how but I know that by the New Year, I will be somewhere new, doing something new, and I will feel really excited about it. So that was kind of that first experience of like, oh, like once I looked back of setting the intention, putting it out there declaring it to the universe and then releasing expectations of how it's going to show up or when or why or how and it just lined up really effortlessly. And it is that sort of as a recovering control freak perfection Isa that I was telling you about earlier. That's the hardest part for me with manifestation is the letting go of the house, which is also back to what I was saying earlier, putting myself through this June July, kind of like freak out of like, what am I going to do? Am I going to go somewhere? Am I going to do something else, you know, that was me trying to control and then once I let go, and just tuned in to what was already showing up and got out of my own way. And things have like fallen back into place. And it's like I'm able to ease back into And so yeah, I think it plays a lot into manifestation. But it's like this practical magic piece, right? So there's, and I know you have you love the science side of that stuff. And I do also but also there's a practical ness to how to do that, right? It's setting that intention and being really crystal clear on the like feeling that you want to manifest. And a lot of times that can look like through a job or through a relationship or through your own personal growth, whatever that is. So it's like setting that out there and letting go of the like how but stepping into taking action steps of the you that lives from that place, right? Like the next version, whatever that is, which is really the same version, it's just in a different timeline. That's a whole different conversation. Yeah, tuning into the energy and tuning into like, well, what are the things that that version of me does on the daily? How does that person walk, talk dress carry themselves? How are they showing up in their life and just pulling down I kind of call it pulling down like pulling that down then and then boom, you're in that reality. So you there is like a magic because it's releasing the expectation of like how it's going to show up. So say it's a job, you know, putting it out there that you want to manifest or create an opportunity for yourself to be in the next best place for you to fully express and use your gifts and add value and make money or whatever those goals are and then releasing like and trusting. Okay, I will follow those signs as they show up to me. So like in my last situation, I was working at ASU I was sick as a dog. I knew I was stressed out and then I started to see the word slow, like a neon sign but it would light up letter by letter really slow. It's like S-L-O-W I'm like, cool. Okay, and then it kept showing up and I was like, got it. I need to slow down. What does that look like? So being curious I think is a part of it too. And co creating with the universe or God or spirit or whatever you call it asking those questions. Okay, I'm supposed to slow down Got it? What does that look like? And then it's like, you need to leave your job. What I need to leave my job I've been here for eight years. I have a good salary. Okay, so it's in my highest and best to leave this job then what? You need to leave, you need to leave Phoenix. Um what? I have a house. I have a community I have friends. I am in a new relationship. I'm supposed to leave Phoenix cool. If I'm supposed to leave my job and leave Phoenix. Where am I supposed to go? And what does that look like? And then it's like asking those questions. Okay, well, if I want to leave here, but I want to be close enough to my family. I'm saying within an Arizona Okay, that feels like a yes. Where in Arizona? Well, there's been there's Flagstaff and there's Sedona and there's prescot I don't want to be in flying and I don't want to be in Sedona prescot I've been there twice, but the energy has felt really good. Maybe I should do a day trip and go investigate. So it's just like that call and response maybe sort of thing right where it's like you get a little information you ask a question you listen for the answer. And I say listen, but really, maybe it's more like feel feel for the answer, you know, notice or be aware of when those little things pop up that are like, oh, okay, follow this breadcrumb trail.

Yeah, that's funny. I was just thinking breadcrumbs. And then you said it. I'm not surprised. Um, yeah, one of my favorite questions to ask, which I just started doing this, probably in the last maybe year and a half, two years is show me what I need to know about XYZ.

Yeah.

Right. You'll have like this feeling. And it's like, I don't have enough information. I do think that letting go of the need to control the how, like what actions you're going to take in needing to know the end result needing to know the outcome or needing to force an outcome is the single hardest thing for people to let go of in terms of I mean, not even just manifestation. But I just think anytime I'm trying to force anything in my business stuff, it goes to shit, like, crappy clients start showing up, like awful work. I miss deadlines. Like, everything just starts going wrong.

Yeah.

And then I'm like, let me just chill. Let me just like, slow down, take a beat, what am I holding on to? And then as soon as I release it, it's like, everything just starts flowing again.

Yeah.

But it's so hard to do. It's like we said earlier, it's like the things that work are so hard to keep doing. I don't know why that is.

Well, and it goes against everything we've ever been taught and too is, as far as business goes, it goes against everything in traditional marketing, and sales against everything, like intuitive, like, that's a conversation I'm actually interested in getting more into on my own podcast is business owners who do use intuition and are in more of a flow state versus the traditional, and I'm a strategic thinker, like I think big picture, and I think very visually, and I can see the sort of chunks of strategy and how they play together. But then the typical traditional business advice or marketing advice would be like, Okay, well reverse engineer the plan. And it's like, yes, and leave room and spaciousness for prudence, right. And I guess that's the word to show up for divine guidance to show up. So you can have that framework, and we need those frameworks and some structure and we need to leave spaciousness for especially now we live in a whole different energetic space. And we are literally like moment to moment to moment to moment, shifting timeline hopping. And those might just be bigger words for like stuff is just shifty A F and, and we have to be super adaptable. I feel like that's the new human, like we have to how to human how to do the new now. Like, we have to be really present. And we have to be able to like adapt and shift and pivot. Because the people who aren't are still stuck in the dark ages, like we can't do business or life the way we used to.

Yeah, I agree with that. Well, I'm curious if there was ever a time where you didn't trust your intuition, so maybe you just knew something to be true, but you really resisted accepting it, because it wasn't the reality that you wanted.

Yeah, well, I've done that multiple times. I think for me, it probably has shown up and who's to say, that's really wrong, but I definitely stayed in painful places emotionally, because I didn't want to accept that, you know, a relationship may be over or it was time to let go or was more on the like, well, this is how I want it and not necessarily listening to how Spirit wants it. You know, and so holding on too tightly and and that can be true for relationships and or workshops and or friendships. So for me when I get into the cleaning, kind of hold on too tightly that's suffocates. I mean, we've been we've all been on the receiving end of that, whether again, it's a friendship or a family ship or a relationship romantic partner. Like when someone's coming at you with that clingy ass energy clients do it right, it's just like no, because it's not for me to do for you. It's not for me to be for you, when I've been in that space like that, I would say is the recurring theme as far as like not listening to my intuition when I go into that maybe that's the indicator right? When I'm trying to hold on too tightly to anything that should be my intuition saying you gotta back off like what are you doing? You know, why are you trying to control and also manipulate like there's a lot of weird stuff that comes through in the in the hold on too tightly claim to think I know better than the universe so you know, I could cite something specific but it's it's shown up repetitively through that energy I guess would be the most and or resistance would be probably the other indicator. So clinginess and resistance cuz sometimes we're resisting things we should be doing right usually that's either a conversation that needs to be had or just some more self reflection,

or even I feel like sometimes resisting taking a big leap because yeah, scared you'll fail or you're you're scared you'll succeed right? And then yeah, all eyes will be on you. People will be judging you and you'll have to live up to somebody's expectation.

Yes, yes. All the noise all the noisy peanut gallery that we carry. Yeah. that aren't even really there. As we think they're there, they probably don't even give a hoot about what we're Yeah. Like, people aren't thinking about us or worrying about as much as we think they are. They're worried about their own shit. So

yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Yeah, we're such ego driven creatures. I feel like this comes up on every podcast, something about ego. But yeah, we truly think that we're that important that someone's gonna, like, have that much to say about it. And it's gonna ruin lives if we fail at something or succeed at something like it's just...

Yeah.

But we all do it.

I know. It's crazy. It is. It's like, what is that? Where did that come from? But I but I do think that that's another layer of all that ish from the system we're sort of born into, or it's like everybody else's thoughts about you is more important than your own thoughts about yourself, like, What? How do I let go of all of that, because nobody, nobody really gives a fuck, I mean, they just don't. And if they do, why, like, they shouldn't be so worried about what we're doing, not family, or friends that they shouldn't be concerned or whatever. But quite honestly, like, we're on our own this, this whole trip is just a journey into ourselves, you know, it might look like I'm reflecting as this partner or that family person or that friend, but really, it's just me talking to myself through all these other people, you know, and, and God or spirit, it's really just us having a conversation with that within us. I think once you get that piece, it's kind of like, oh, cool, like, cool that I get to play with all these different versions of myself. I think that comes from like, that's a whole nother conversation about Shadow Work. But when you do some deep Shadow Work, and you realize everybody is just another version of us, and the people that trigger us the most or that we are the places within us that we need to do the most peeling back of layers, then it's like, Oh, hell.

Mmm. So that's, that's the work I've been doing this year. And it's like everyone that does something that upsets me. I'm like, Alright, you're just a giant mirror of something that I hate about myself. What is it?

Yes.

Let's take a look.

Yeah, let's let's, let's look under the hood on that one.

Yeah. Which is hard to do. But yes, it is so freeing when you can just accept it and like, integrated as part of who you are. And like, just move forward with it.

Yeah.

So tell us about your business, which is ever evolving. But what are you doing now? And what are you transitioning into? And how does your gift of intuition play into that important work that you're doing?

Hmm, such a good question. Well, so I'm still full time employed. I've worked in higher education since 2000. And I love working in higher ed, it's been it's been such an amazing journey. And speaking of like intuition, and listening to intuition, like I was saying, through all those iterations of jobs, I now see that I was divinely guided and that everything I've done has played into setting me up for success in this baby growing business. So there's that and then I'm trying to juggle really continuing to do a good job in my full time job. So right now, I work at a community college. But I've also worked at ASU, which is a big public university, and I worked at a private college, well, university now lindenwood, I worked there for seven years also. So I've loved that. And through all of that, so when I was at lindenwood, is when I got my coach training and certification that stemmed from a master's degree, I was originally working on a master's degree to become a counselor. And then I was like, Hmm, this isn't quite it. I want to work with people but but I want to work with people moving forward who are healthy and want to become healthier and move forward and advance in their lives and careers. So that's when I discovered life coaching that was in the early 2000s, jumped into a coach certification program. That was an amazing experience to go through and started building my first iteration of this, which was called passion meets purpose. And I was blogging like crazy. And this was back in the days when blogging was really becoming the thing to get your website search engine optimized, which I didn't even know that's what I was doing, because I would link out to bigger players or bigger articles, and then people would find me No, none of my original clients were in St. Louis, where I lived, they were all from all over. And they just found me on the web. So that was interesting to do that. So I was doing that and evolved through I was coaching at ASU, I was coaching career coaching MBA students. And so the coaching piece has always been there. And I knew I would always get back to building a business that incorporated coaching into it. So right before COVID, I reached out to you and was like, I feel like I need to get this website ramped back up, and it was just kammiek.com, and it was gonna be like a coaching website, kind of typical coaching website, you would put together with all the things that that incorporates, and then as COVID started on building, I was like, I feel a sense of urgency to sort of get some of this stuff out there to really help support people with their internal processes, dialogues, intuition tuning into like, where their gifts are, how to bring those forward, all of that kind of stuff. And so just really feeling around to sort of gel on the branding. And you helped me so much with like the visual representation of that, which I loved that whole journey because I thought I knew but it got even deeper once once I got into all of your magic questioning that you had around all that and I feel like I have these beautiful visuals to represent like in that are in the vibe and aesthetic that I want to put out there. And then again, as things started to unfold, so I launched a podcast which the original iteration of that was called the cosmic inner space podcast. And there's 14 episodes, and they're awesome. And it was a great start. And I also launched my first live program. So I had an eight week coaching program, and i beta tested that. And that's been amazing. And through all of that, through more downloads, and more intuitive information and guidance, I was like, oh, firstly, it came through as like changing the name of the podcast to the inner space station. I was like, Oh, yeah, that feels really juicy and alive. Good. Good. Cool. Yes. Okay, gonna do that. And what do I need to do to do that? And then it was like, Oh, wait, I think the name of the business should be I think this is beyond just the podcast, I think the whole thing is called the Inner Space Station. And how cool is that? And that felt really alive and juicy. And like, Okay, well, what does that look like? And then I started to get information about like, this could be more of like, because I'm, I'm a content creator, but also a curator. And I love sharing out other wisdom teachers, and just people you podcasts or resources or technologies that can help support our personal and professional growth from a spiritual kind of angle, right? And so then I was like, Alright, well, geez, now I just built a website. And now I gotta like, figure out how to do that. And so I think what it is morphing into is like, maybe more like a media channel or commute and a community, right. So there would be other podcasts, there could be other publishing, publishing my own books. So it's not just Cammy, Kay's coaching programs, or content, or books or products, it is that and what are the other things that may follow fall under that umbrella, and also events, whenever events, I mean, we're kind of in events, but they may get shut down again, so who knows, but I could see like, at conferences, for different really cool things. So maybe it's like, there's like this conscious Film Festival. So maybe one of the spaces there is the inner space station, and people can come in and take a break between conference sessions and like, chill out, and we have some products or demos or things that are going on in the inner space station. And that becomes that little sanctuary at events where people can come chill out and have brand partnerships with brands for some different really cool products. And those are the things that like, you know, waiting for further information, those are the things that are showing up in my awareness, like oh, noted, got this document going with, like, Oh, these are the products, services, people events that I want to play with in the future. So I have no idea girl, because I thought it was just like, Oh, I just want to build this small little cozy lifestyle business. And it's just gonna be me as a solopreneur. And who knows what it will morph into. It's really fluid right now. But it feels really exciting. And it feels exciting to not only share my own stuff out into the world, but to be a space where I'm helping other people find because when I feel like when I started this journey, like I said, in college, when I read that book, there was no place to go. And there are places that exist that have courses and programming and books and resources, I feel like this one will be different, and it will continue to evolve. I also think supporting inside of corporations, you know, there's a lot more focus now on mindfulness and compassion and some of those things within corporate because if we don't take care of our employees, they're not going to stay like it's the world has shifted so much. And people want to be aligned with the organizations they're working for. So I also would love to create, whether that's workshops, or who knows what that remains remains to be seen what that will look like. But being able to support some of those wellness directors within organizations now to with trainings or programs to support their employees. Yeah, there's lots of potentials, it's very much in that there's lots of portals that I could go down. And who knows which ones will actually end up coming to fruition. But I'm excited to be on the journey. And it feels really good to sort of have an umbrella now. So the beauty back to you like I have all these different threads of what I you know, I did broadcasting early in my career, and then I was in marketing and branding. And then I've been in higher ed in various different roles and training and teaching as a part of all of those roles. And now all of that stuff I get to play with within this business. And I guess this is like putting a bow on that, you know, you hear from a lot of spiritual business owners that your business is your biggest spiritual teacher, and where you get to show up and express fully and face all of your dragons and all that stuff. And I feel like I'm just, I'm just now finally arriving at that threshold and going, Oh, now I get to step into the inner space station and all of the things that it's going to be for me as a place to express creatively, but also build a business and revenue streams and help support other people on their journeys. Like that's where it all comes from is the desire to do that. That feels super awesome to be finally aligned with like, okay, now I'm there. I'm sort of at that threshold, huh?

Well, I love that I'm super excited for you. And I know you're gonna do all the things that you want to do what whatever that means to you. But yeah, I could totally see you being a boss of some awesome team members. I think you'd be great at that and you could build an empire girl.

Yeah, but that's the Feels like Whoo, you know, working with people and leading people in an organization versus just sharing information out kind of, you know, that's a whole that's a whole different responsibility. So sure, I'm just standing by for further instructions. I'm just here going use me, use me use me for my highest and best and the highest and best of everyone. So that's what I'm here for. I'm here to be of service. And so who am I to say no, if the universe wants me to, like, grow a bigger biz beyond just me? Or not? Or not? Or just be me? Who knows? Right? So I'm here for it.

Love that. Yeah. Well, obviously, you already knew that you were intuitive. Did you learn anything about your gift or how you can embody it more fully, or anything stand out to you today? During today's conversation?

I think it just solidifies for me that it is that it is you said intuition and love early on that my aura and energy expresses love and I had someone say that to me, way back when I was in my marketing days still, she was like, your brand is love. And I was like, is it and she was like it just comes through? Like that's just who you are. And how fucking awesome is that? Like, okay, cool.

Like,

I'm so grateful that that does come through in an authentic way. And it's not just some bs fluffy brand slogan, you know? Yeah. So I guess this just confirms thank you for being the channel that the universe is dropping this message hot and heavy in my lap going this is it girl. If you needed one more little ounce of confirmation, you know, you're on the right path. So thanks for being that that beacon flashin' at me, winkin' at me.

I love it. It's an honor. I'm excited for you.

Well, and I love that we get to we've gotten to play together and that we get to continue to play together and iterating this baby.

I know. I love it. Well, Kammie, where can people find you if they want to connect with you?

Yeah, so right now, the website kammiek.com. We will you and I will soon be putting up a landing page for the inner space station, which is where a lot of that information will reside. I'm on Instagram at @kammiekdotcom. And it's d o t c o m so K-A-M-M-I-E-K-D-O-T-C-O-M on Instagram and Facebook. And then I'm on LinkedIn, too, as me.

Awesome. Well, thank you again, so much. This has been so fun. And I'm so excited for everything that you have coming up in life and also just the opportunity to get to play more with you in the coming months and years, hopefully, and I'm excited to see where your journey takes you.

Yeah, thank you so much for having me on and for being the mirror for me today Emeritus. And yeah, I adore you and I love how your brain works and that our brains get to play together and create really cool stuff. So looking forward to more conversations. Yay.

Yay! Bye Kammie.

Thanks so much.

I just adore Kammie's energy. That was such a fun conversation. If you want to connect with Kammie you can find her on Instagram and Facebook as kammiekdotcom. That's K-A-M-M-I-E-K D-O-T C-O-M. She's also on LinkedIn as Kammy Kobyleski last name is K-O-B-Y-L-E-S-K-I. She's also on TikTok as kammiekcosmix with an X and you can also visit her website to learn more, purchase her coloring book book a session or get in touch. That's kammiek.com. If you want to follow me Meredith McCreight, you can find me on Instagram Pinterest and Facebook with the handle @createwithoutbounds. You can visit the podcast page at meaningtoshare.com and check out more stuff from my brain at createwithoutbounds.com. You can find all of Kammie's info, my info, all the social links and more in the full show notes. If you love this episode, please consider going over to Apple podcasts and leaving a five star review. This really helps us connect with more listeners who might find our show meaningful. Thanks for tuning into this episode. Share something meaningful this week, friends. See you next time.