oh, I was gonna just baby at this point, share a little bit of the framework model that I'm using for empathy. So I don't come from the therapeutic world, I come from this, the human being out there, having done a lot of world travel, you know, kind of just relating to people. So I think in terms of empathy, more from a cultural, social, interpersonal part, not from that, what's happening in the therapeutic world was a client therapist relationship. So the definition I'm building on is empathy as a way of being, which is also Rogers had an address that, that it's, it's more, a way of being is more the, how you are, as a human being, like your sense of your attitudes, your, you know, the, the values, you have the sense of presence, you know, lack of Judge not judging everybody yourself, you know, being a big sort of a block to that. And then within that way of being, there's different facets of that. So there's the other oriented empathy, which is what you're calling the interpersonal, listening to someone sensing where they are doing empathic listening, reflective listening, their self empathy, which up map's bit to your subjective empathy, which is sensing into your own sense, your own feelings, and you know, what's happening in you, you know, a lot of that could be kind of, with Gene gendlin, with focusing, you know, there's a lot of tools there for sensing into the feelings of yourself, you're sort of adding identification, as well as the objective, you know, when you're sensing into yourself, then there's imaginative empathy, which is role playing, which I see very distinctive. And I should add to that the framework, I'm not using the client therapist framework, I'm using the empathy circle, as the container. So in the empathy circles, what sort of what I've really been focusing on is using Rogers, active listening, but we have usually four people to a circle, one person is the speaker, and they select who's going to be their active listener, they share on the topic of tomatoes, or depression, or whatever. And that person only reflects back what they're hearing the person say. And we usually have a time limit, five minutes, six minutes until they feel heard to their satisfaction. But there is a time limit so that somebody doesn't go on for, you know, dominate the time. But then when that time is up for they feel complete, the listener becomes the speaker, and they select someone in the group to speak to, and that person reflects back with their hearing the speak the new speaker, say, in the same way, so and they get their five minutes. So they've been the still listener, but then they become the speaker, and then they can say all the things they can all the things you're talking about the subjective the not the seven, yeah, the the subjective, and whatever is coming up in them, they have a shared time to share that on any topic. They can reflect, you know, build on what they just heard, or they can come up with, I got a whole different topics. Other thing I want to talk about, it's your time, it's your free speech, and you speak to that person, they listen, they reflect back and then somebody's kind of keeping time. So just five minutes is usually the typical time and then the time is up. And then that person who was the active listener, then becomes a speaker and we go for two hours. Oh, like just doing this just and so That's sort of the container, I think that container is more of a container that maps on to life more generally, then the client therapist, like I see, you know, is the listener and client, you know, listener and active listener and speaker is a bit like the client therapist relationship. But then you're, you're, you've done your listening, but then you get met with empathy yourself. And I think that might be what's missing from the I see it is missing from the therapeutic is that the person is only receiving empathy, working on their situate their problem, versus learning to empathize with others, and take those skills out to build a more empathic culture. So I see a lot of overlap with what we're talking about with those two different models.