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that's true actually, thank you. Hey Jim. What's the way this was the last tree canopy studied on the map sorry, when was the last tree canopy study done. My wife is interested in getting that information.
I know who I could ask. I don't
Yeah, that's for everybody or that was my copy. You are welcome. No, no, I thought I thought it was a pass down thing. Sorry. Okay. I think it's just yeah, I
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know who and I'll, if I can get my hands on then I'd appreciate it. Yeah, yeah,
I'm sure you would know about that stuff. Okay, so I wouldn't hurt if you've sent me an email to remind me to ask her but I watch this. I will see her tomorrow night at our executive meeting. Okay. Yeah, we'll do.
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Good evening, everybody. I apologize for being a little bit late. I was because I was coming in where she tried to call me to tell me why he was going to do and that doesn't work. Especially on the outside. Anyway, he said just as he was on an issue with his dogs, I didn't quite understand
everybody had a copy of the agenda
started. You have, you should have a copy of today's agenda and a copy of the agenda for Saturday's meeting. On today's agenda, I'm showing that the resolutions of cabling were still here. So if you look on your agenda for Saturday's meeting, we have four resolutions on the resolution 20 001 was still held in committee that that tree resolution right Miss Kumar? Yes. Okay. And everything else is better. There are actually
two regarding
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Yeah, just because
it's not on this agenda could sell the committee. So it's already been to the body as an FYI. It's not the body. Somebody in this committee wants to change. I wasn't at that meeting.
And for resolutions 02030 for a vote. Vote on those and the giant for 005. That is about laws amendment. That's going to be the first ingredient that
presentations, we didn't schedule the presentations for this month. We're still trying to get someone from Chiodos office to present the 2.0 simply raishin made to adopt the agenda and understand that at the Center for Civic innovations. Event the last one someone asked Is Prince a about coming to a PAP that she told them she had come to a pen and she did reiterate that she would do that. Okay. And commission appointments. We have not pending.
We adopted today's agenda. Nobody said
a word we've just had my hand raised Yeah, for that purpose. Yes.
We apologize. It's been a Monday so you have to get adjusted to this can get a motion to adopt the agenda as presented unless you see something honored that needs to be changed.
I would ask for an amendment. The indication at the top of the agenda remains that I am representing MP UK and I believe in pu Kay's chair has emailed to you to indicate that I'm not representing MP UK. And then PDS chair has also confirmed that I am representing NPD as an alternate.
Mr. Martin I don't remember receiving anything from you to that effect.
I sent it to Daniel Vasquez who made the request of names at the beginning of the year, Daniel announced that he would not be forwarding the second name to anyone which is probably why you have not seen so yeah, I mean, I think that that I don't think that any of these alternates were officially notified off the chain because you know, stuck with him. All right. That's correct. That's correct. Yes. So, alternates are a secret,
okay or exists? To say they are exists. They exist in our bylaws. They don't exist to the city. Okay.
All right. That we're gonna have to work on I'm not sure what. Exactly
yeah, they also the resolution on the agenda, but we're operating under the old bylaws until we're operating under the new bylaws. And Lauren
and Jim do that. Well, I know you can represent an MP you designated. Do you live in D No. Okay, so you don't participate a kid all.
I do show up to case meeting certainly, but I am the I've designated as an alternate. I shared this in the January 8 meeting. And NPU Kay's chair has also I believe, provided a delegate and alternate
information to me, the clerk and DCP that you will know not appointed as a voting member or do not you're not a member for
so you don't participate in case meetings at all. I mean, motioning and
things like that. I mean, I go to various NP meetings to watch certainly, but I am here as an alternate for NPT.
I'm just wondering how that
work was the same way to Schneider just represent II and it's the same way Kiona for a while representative tea.
But then I know that citizens are allowed to participate in only one in the EU, which is why I'm asking that question.
Personally, I would think that if the NPU voted on it, and they say oh yeah, well, this person lives in such a such an MPU but we're consenting to having them represent us, then that would make it somewhat a legal situation as far as the BPU is concerned. But I really think that the MPU that's doing the designating needs to vote on I know it was my main thing you definitely demand that they vote on something like that. I can't speak for the rest of my
Bible has given me the authority to avoid it. I certainly was not voted on. It's what do you
do? That's my question. And that's your answer.
Well, we've already established the ordinance doesn't even recognize alternates.
So as as the ultimate APU is this, we need clarity, and we raised his concerns that the first sense came up was brought up in our December meeting as well. Very much the same discussion is being discussed now and for our bylaws. If if you fail to submit those designees, but for ultimate some delegates then the people who were serving in the prior term would be automatic and nobody will be able to go into the next appointment. So this
test was pretty much the NPU of sent over limitary information with the bylaws committee is working on that. So let's talk about
that. No, we get to talk about it with regard to you is we've we've asked about this situation. I am here as an alternate as I was previously. And so therefore there is no real communication to backup anything. No, there's really communications. We've added something to the code. We knew that was to a person the bylaws to make such a meeting. And that would have been moving forward and that the retroactive to our current status is currently working on the current bylaws and the recommendations that are coming out will be to move forward.
And I'm going to call a point of order because we actually have a motion on the floor.
Once it's a motion. A motion.
I asked to amend the the agenda. Okay.
All right. The motion on the floor is that we amend the agenda to reflect Lora Hawk from as the representative from MPU D
second.
Oh no motions
to add in one note, I got the motion was to omit the bylaw. I mean, I'm sorry to amend the agenda and adopt, amend and adopt. Okay, so we have a motion on the floor to amend the agenda to discuss the offer
to merely make an editorial tech editor Jim Yes.
I'd like to frame him into your motion. I would like to add a path input on the city's community engagement regarding zoning, rewrite rezoning to Cornell. That should be discussed.
discussion item Yes. Discussion.
And I believe that's on your agenda for the committee on a pub isn't
what I'd like to see discussed here. So you accept
I accept your friendly amendments.
They kicked me out of the car insurance.
All right. So you have a motion on the floor to amend the agenda to make those gentlemen corrections. All those in favor please raise your call second that motion
all those opposing please raise your hand. Anybody who's standing
Okay, so that is accepted? Changes.
Okay
let's move on and then go answer all the other questions as we go down the line. A voting roster ever seen received an updated roster last week and Jimmy, Trooper pronouncing it right October. The chair has made a change in their voting member his first name is Joe and don't ask me to type out the last name, but I will make the change on that. SAP
who did you get the volume roster from?
That comes from Dan?
Okay, on the AIPAC board appointments, Mr. For the ACR. Mr. COVID Liam's has been seated. On the acrp. He did attend their first meeting last week. For Sheikh who else is going to use G through L. That slot is vacant. Dr. Woodard resigned officially in January as of January 31. So if you go in pu is in G through L. Or and you have recommendations for someone to fill that slot. Please get that information to us. Okay, see him through our course is too dark, the accursed and you a BAP I'm proud to announce that Dorothy hers was made the cheater acrp issue
I do have someone for Cipro l kind of got held up by Dr. Woodards resignation. It was solidified.
Because that's true. You got to resubmit that. I will read some evidence that he's still interested. Yeah. Thank you. And for SOC Adrienne PROMAR injury has been seated which says to me that some of her paperwork probably has not come in as TCRP does. Extensive paperwork so she probably will be seated
on they don't want to chat at gremio ours has processed the embryo deadly and I have her still she's trying to figure out whether her job is going to make some changes whether she can still do this so I'm talking to her this week.
Or there's still six vacancies even elsewhere.
Like those three, we still have six Well, yeah, because how so that's
number six. So we have somebody can we just send them over your information Sydney
information so they send their bios over? There now? Based Application? Thank you.
workgroups, three people that have been processed. That's Mary Russell is a person that gets only three out of the 15 that we need. So please, at your NPU we do get in PDFs or receipts together and we only got three fields. How many do you have purse per person persona is three remember they is we have six precincts with a combined five and six so that gives us five make that as three appointments to each one of those precinct groups
going to force a tag 314 K Stevens cities to layer eight we'll be wrapping up a tag three but I think you probably will be assumed that it goes to those holding back she said the vice chair and of course licensure board
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members for discussion we're gonna get started first with the APR bylaws if you I'm sorry.
I just had a question. I'm sorry. I may have missed it. Michael Paul, I thought was a he was removed for from consideration okay
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Mr. are now engaging copies of the Ramos committee report March 3, and that is the resolution that is so cheap.
So, as stated we met on March 3 In the night within the composition and robust discussion and participation from the committee members as well as cast. What is before you is a proposed revisions to section two striping existing language and to hold very tightly to the ordinances regarding new members. And then for the non voting members to allow you to have a representative that is able to fully engage in committees including being a committee chair, but at the general body meeting they will not be allowed to make motions or as stated that's not the discussions for resolving the conflicts between a physician and GCP on this matter, but in a good faith effort to have the conversation gets to the general body to follow our bylaws regarding meeting to present it when meeting to be timely with it. We wanted to get this out the door. So we could have this discussion at the general body if necessary. Additional minutes for five minutes for potential adoption.
Yes, so section two on non voting members, says non voting members. Make sure this committee chairs fully participate as committee members and participate in general body exceptionally motions of voting. It doesn't say whether non voting members can serve in other offices, such as president vice president secretary
was discussed in committee called the draft at the March 9 meeting, made provisions for non voting members to be able to serve as officers the committee did not move that forward. So the existing requirement that a pass officers come from the voting membership
Okay, shall we is that explicit somewhere in the bylaws that they come from the voting
membership? That is what's currently stated in the Bible? Yes. And I can cite this section. No, I just
want to make sure that it was explicit, rather than implicit
is excellent excellency.
And just to be clear, it says that it shall they shall come from the voting members not that they shall serve as voting members.
These officers shall be elected from the voting members of the board as defined herein shall perform the duties prescribed by these levels.
So repeating that phrase in here, not.
So that is a separate section we have the officers and so that was proposed to discuss and not unanimously considered to to move out of committee.
Question over here. If something was to change in terms of the voting membership was that it fixed the entire infused with whole structure of a power outage dip into construction, when that will be something that you will want to take out to the whole APU because now we're making a big change to what I bought and membership was like it was prescribed also if you bylaws was we shall keep the impact has been measured that you have impact on a PAP standing committees we have impact in areas and other voice that has not been considered per se. And I think that you know, amendment of this magnitude requires will should go out be pushed out to us for consideration and education.
Think it is right that that's the intent of this
will not be you should be notified it's it's a pet matter. It has the authority rights and bylaws. So you have to use don't vote on a patch by laws.
But what I'm saying is to the extent of which we have in our bylaws that requires within us to submit alternates of delegates to AIPAC and most MPU bylaws there's a reference on how we submit and how we let a pair of alternates and delegates to send to a pair that could trigger a bigger of RTPs to the bylaws in the various MPs and this will listen. And I think that to the point of which Jim and Laura is serving as an alternate in another KPU, which has been permissible in previous times, what are we saying? That we're not doing that? And to what extent do we have an impact on our standing committees because what you're saying is, I don't even know who set out a list system we have our chair so we have acting chairs that are also members of AIPAC, which against you have to be a member of the Standing Committee, which means that you now are also on a path plus the Standing Committee. I think this stretching doesn't mean if we don't have a vote for our 25 MPs. There's no way to have a secondary vote in case of emergency or I'm not available, it just limited to that one person. So I think that there's also a conversation around community engagement on how we engage just in doing this work here. So I just think that conversation as we talk about it now should be pushed out to the infusible as conversation around best practices and and what we're planning to do here in the AP US and how you can feedback.
Mr. Wood, when it satisfied your request, if the voting members have a pat, upon first read then brought that matter back to us for that discussion prior to voting in April,
we'll deal with but I think they do. We made urgency that morning to do this as much as possible. And so you know, coming into northern was pushing for April, as the earliest that immediate vote as early as this will be seen as much as what we were pushing for. So even when watching this I'm saying so I think that if we're pushing for March meeting watch now so I think that it should go out to the people should know what's going on because I think that a lot of views people
is that they will if if the voting members of AIPAC do what they are, what I assume this body expects them to do, which is go back to their NPU and communicate, whatever is going on at AIPAC, whatever business is taking place. If they are doing that, then it is going to be
this this this moon sign about engagement in a South thing is the responsibility of this body to push the apex and will conjunction with planning to do best efforts to communicate to communicate and engage the public and especially with the chairs because more chairs there was more confused about what's going on in terms of voting member versus alternate delegate that raised it's just it's a lot going on. So I think this opportunity will allow that to be created on one sheet or any of the informational pieces to circulate to get the point because we are we are altering a normalcy of our practice. So I think this is important that we circulate information about classes to take place.
It's my understanding that we are going to present this resolution to the board at Saturday's meeting as a first reading and we will take a vote on that
update listen on Origin every month so we're unique in that regard. Because every
every does not do. In fact there are some out to answer the question. It's not unique but every review doesn't do that.
And that may be something that says
well, we we've had the conversation certainly with a pat leadership, not leadership. I'm sorry, let me correct myself about leadership with members of AIPAC over the years about people voting on their own behalf and not really on behalf of the MCU. So it does it is a preference that it is included on the agenda as it is indeed and some others, but it's certainly not included in all and they I go to a lot of MPU meetings and do not hear any mention of a cat let alone the vote that you cast on my behalf as you represented me as a as a resident or whatever it absolutely does not happen citywide.
Best practice that we discuss. Yes.
Okay. So, given that right now, there can be up to three representatives for each NPU there can be the chair there can be an alternate and there can also be a delegate given that with these proposed changes as as they are if this was the goal before the general body and we were to first read and then it was to come back before the general body as is would it not immediately eliminate alternates? Is that what it would do? Would it not immediately eliminate alternates given how it's currently written? I'm asking I want to make sure that I understand that that's how this that's what this would do in its current state that if this was voted on, and passed that this would effectively immediately be live eliminate alternates, is that correct?
So as stated, any terminology related to delegates and alternates is removed.
Okay. I guess maybe I shouldn't. I could reword my question, but I think that you get rambling, maybe you don't.
So, carry on. So what is there instead of giving a whole cell replacement, as you can be you represented by a chair designate as exclusively department and additionally, as a person? Representative what you might want to consider that and delegate alternate whatever else, but there's a person who is not the voting chair or designee who can also represent the NPU by serving on committees being committee chair, participating in meetings with the exception of voting or making motions.
So I'm just I'm gonna I want to make sure that
when this was first presented to the committee on the meeting on the night, there were two representatives that were in the draft. That was an infant through conversation to be one represent
understanding myself going my question is still, let's say there's an MPU that has a chair currently has a chair that has an alternate and also hasn't done let's say, there's one that's out there right now, given how these are written. If these were to go before the general body and they were to be passed, one of those three people from the MPU would be eliminated, correct.
They would not be granted the privileges of being a designee or chair for the non voting.
Correct. So they would be eliminated effectively. It's kind of like, I know where you were using technical words, but I just want to use plain language for once. If there's an MPU that has three people, that chair whoever that may be, say that there's an alternate and a delegate. There's three people as our current bylaws state that there can be given how these bylaws are currently written. If they were to be passed, would that NPU still be able to have three representatives? No. Okay.
Just for me, just just just for me, it shows that you were present at both of the bello committee meetings. What was your understanding what they were discussing?
Well, my true understanding really comes down to bylaws effective date. And that's not a discussion that we were able to really come to understanding right now is if these by laws were to be passed right now, that would mean that there would be alternates that currently, our members rather they're considered voting members or non voting members, there are currently members of AIPAC that would no longer be able to be members of a vote and am I wrong? Okay. If I am, please correct me. I want to make sure
if I may, the only I don't want to use the word wrong. The only nuance I would point to is that when we quickly ran through a list in my head, I identified that there were I think none is the number I can't remember off the top like now, but I think it was none as the number of interviews that currently have three active representatives, so really, there is no person that would be adversely impacted by that because there aren't MP use, or at least in this moment, I can't think of one where there are three active people that represent that NPU
keep in mind honor listing for most of you to delegate and most of them didn't have alternates that they could speak about for time.
Yeah, there were there are very few if the question is part of your question is maybe disenfranchisement, or who would be left out the heart anything like that? It looks like there wouldn't be anyone left.
The heart of my real question is this I'll just get right to it. If we pass these bylaws would myself Lora hawk or miss Leslie Ramirez. No longer be able to participate in a path? That is the true part of the question. Will it remove us from being able to participate as we been participating to be specific as committee chairs understanding that and eat or even if you you know that from the discussion at the bottom was so honest, no, I think when we were at the Bylaws Committee, I was very specific and trying to understand or nail down bylaws effective dates my main my main concern was if we pass this without there being any provision for an effective date or saying that these bylaws will not affect the terms of a member or an officer or them serving that was my main concern and still more so is
yet so different
discussions. I'll I'll leave y'all to have that. Discussion separately. But the discussion that you're having right now, is about that third member or that alternate as you all have called them in the past, that person, for lack of a better way of phrasing it doesn't exist means that the NVQs don't currently have three people. Leslie is the second from MPU W. underscore the second from NPM
I'm just I'm just talking like if there was like to be three what what what would this look like I get in reality right now that that wouldn't really change anything because each MPU only has two but in theory, if there was an NPU that did have three, that's what I'm getting to would this affect them?
You know, every call the agenda, right? Never had we had 50 People at one meeting. Okay, never. We of course made quota. And then we have quorum, and then we had other members that were there that were not voting because the other people were voting, but we never had 50 Okay, so we're talking about now reducing our paper numbers from 75 to 50.
Yes, ma'am. I get it. I just want to be clear, and I'll lay on my planner, I don't want us to get to that April meeting. And we pass these right here and as they're currently written, and next thing I know, I get an email saying that I can no longer serve. I think that's the My biggest and most important. Okay, what's the point that I should raise?
In the Bylaws Committee meeting, which is regarding whether non voting members could be officers could serve as officers. That's a separate and I'm only pointing that out, because I want to make sure that the waters don't get muddy and everybody understands. There's two very separate conversations, the conversation that it sounds like you're concerned with is the one regarding whether or not non voting members can serve as officers.
And it's my understanding Mr. Kessler, that that particular section of the bylaws you all voted not to change. Is that correct?
When we started the March night meeting, the draft I had included changes to the officers section to remove voting members throughout that section and Replace or Remove voting. So it was just members to include both voting and non voting members. That committee by the end of the meeting did not support that so that remains.
So if we pass these amendments as they are in April coming up, will I personally be able as a non voting member be able to still serve as the finance secretary?
So per my reading of the bylaws, it talks about the election from the voting members. I mentor you. It says shall be elected nothing about serving as an officer and therefore I do not feel like personal gained up committees because we've not discussed it that way. Is it just would not preclude you from continuing to serve as
I would like to make some form of amendment where exactly I don't think we're all on the same page. For for what for what you just said and I want to that's why I'm bringing up this point. I want us to get truly on the same page there because as I said, I don't want us to get to April, and we've passed these bylaws, and I get an email saying that I can no longer serve.
So we'll just start with Mr. Ross and go around
and help me here. I was at that last meeting. This is pretty much to serve as a placeholder. Take it to the floor and find it. Then go back to the Bylaws Committee. Is that not?
Yes and No
we didn't get into the effective date and all that.
Her our bylaws, we will need to make any amendments if we're going to vote on them in April. They need to be amended at the March meeting. Otherwise we keep pushing the day out because you need a monitor to ask them definitively. This is what you're voting for. Mr. Martin? Oh,
the place to propose an amendment is not here. But is that the general body?
Thank you. I'm just trying to clarify right for right right now understand the technicalities and where to make the motion and all this. I just want to make sure that we're really on the same page and seemingly at this point in time we're not because the question that I just asked. I'm still not getting a clear answer for it. Give me now and I'll ask it again. If these amendments as they are currently were in their current form, are passed at the April meeting without any changes, will I still be able to serve as the finance secretary? Yes, yes. Okay. Okay.
Tell me Tell everybody why you're saying yes. So,
as stated in Article Five section. These officers shall be elected from the voting members of the board as defined during the show before we do subscribe by the firewalls at the time of the election. During was a voting member of the board as we interpreted the bylaws at
Medtronic, try do not think that
changes.
Miss Phyllis, what's your interpretation of
speakers? Okay, I'm not sure what's going to be with her. So go ahead.
This comment is for way back like we move forward so much now, but I still want to say it and minimize it. I was at the last Bylaws Committee meeting went pretty smooth. I can say due to not being part of the committee structure like as a member, I was just there. I was allowed to speak but it was it was like I understand the honor system. Right. But then at that point, after that one hour, I felt like I barely got something in and I feel like our opinion matters as people that I dare say slaved over volunteer work for this general body, you know, like we pick up some slack and we don't do it for you know, for for the prompts or whatever. We do it because our people need it. And then I only saw a handful of people at the Bylaws Committee meeting. I didn't see everybody engaged like oh, no, this is an open conversation. Mind you, we can't force people to come to these meetings. But now that this very few selected handful of people that hold this weight in APEC general body, mind you have new and I'm learning as I go and I can't keep saying I'm new. I'm like two three years in right but I'm still learning and I'm realizing I'm learning the wrong things I have to read and go by Whitson legislation and code instead of just hearing what somebody tells me. But anyways, the small amount of people that actually did make me are making these huge amendments to affect a club as a whole and then bring it to general body meeting to discuss but then again, us like me, people that don't have a voting right or a voice. We just can work, which that's fine. That's why I'm here. We can't talk at the general body meetings and give our input. We can't be acknowledged we're not a voting member. And we can't make a motion that's a general body meeting so we feel well I speak for myself I feel more like the like the snake with this tight surrounded upright I feel more constricted the still free to work, but just less heard and less freedom to move in. That's the That's it. That's my
that's how I feel. The committee only has five people, right?
The laws dictate that. The bylaws committee consists of five members, the parliamentarian is an automatic member. And then and of course, all of our meetings are open so you are allowed to come and attend and we generally try to have at least a public comment section. And even though I hate that word, public comment, it's just should be, you know, comments from anybody that's in attendance. But they are operating under the dictates of the novels and in general. Even with your state legislature, the bylaws committees only consists of a certain number of people because otherwise you will never get anything done.
I just wanted to correct one thing if it's correct. You want to add something that you stay with a staff that is not more dated than a small number of people are making decisions for everyone. And that's not how this board operates. A small number of people meeting the Bylaws Committee, people that are part of the committee. Yes, yes, they don't make a decision. What's the correct things to learn? So I'm helping you to understand that committees, including on AIPAC do not make decisions which committees only make recommendations so I'm only clarifying that that committee cannot and has not made any decision at all. They don't have that correct.
They're going to bring it to on Saturday to the general just make
a decision to discuss but to well, they will decide in March but yes to decide. That's
what I'm saying. I understand that so thank you. I understand that but yet I can't force people to come to the meetings open body or open meeting like Miss Anne said, I get that. But it impacts all of us. And like you were mentioning earlier, not everybody has two three representatives. Some people don't even acknowledge it. But the very few that do have it. Within the 25 infuse. It's going to affect the people that are actually working and I feel that it's the citizen participation is just slowly being brought into like a tight circle. That's what we're talking about. The issue
well, I believe Chris had his hand up.
So I think that we've heard even I mean, we can't selectively select how to apply the bylaws are meant to apply. So the question of effective date was of great concern to you can't say oh, wait, he's a voting member here. But there was a lot of voting members did right. And so we know how we got here. And there's only one thing on all these big changes, right, which one work and change out this which is eligible membership, which is about the democratic process of being able to vote to have representation. When you remove representation. They citizen January the January meeting, no swearing in, that we're suppressing, we're suppressing the vote. And opportunities for every us to operate because I dare you to have a person that follow you. That's not that default. Who Wouldn't they wouldn't negotiate in that participate. They can make when you just now suppress that whole income you have a vote and but don't let it be long term. In this process, that the be so there's impact beyond what we're doing, I think the culture of what we've done, in fact, it's just had eligible eligible members who served alternates and delegates to the chairs to the President's point. We've never had three people it's never been accompanied of three people. It was the alternate and development. But we're now removing one of those two people. So therefore, when we're having dissenters, do we have a list of people that are observing voting members and a list of people that are quote unquote, alternates, and then where are they where are they reflect so we have some people that are officers that are there are alternates and we have another Cheer, cheer person, that's an alternate. So there's some impact in how we operate, especially if it becomes effective in April, as we're trying to move forward. So I think again, this is something that we should if we're going to move in this manner, and because we said that sometimes people don't always take information back and circulated, that if we're going to move in this manner, that we push it out to the community, for community engagement, and let the democratic process takes it took its toll.
I'm just curious. The, as I understand the Municipal Code calls upon us to be an advisory board to the city in regards to the CDP and and based upon citizen participation. So we are reducing the number even if it's on paper, we are reducing the number of citizens who can participate in this board. And I I am not sure how that achieves what this board is legislated to do.
Participate on this board. We actually are increasing it by 25 Because the ordinance 20.
We're adding I think in theory,
it is officially when we did it. The last time we just made the change. But ultimately, I don't want us thinking about it as decreasing the board because we're not we're still functioning with the same number of 50 that we have functioned with for the most part, since we made that change in 2001.
I think we have to just be plain language with our words again, and it's the say, as of right now in the US have the opportunity to have three citizens participate in and what we're proposing to move forward to is to give each NPU the opportunity to only have two people participate in a path. That's the plain language that we really need to just put out there. So prefer people to understand, but that's the second point coming back to the first point which is kind of what I keep on going I would like to understand maybe from the Department of City Planning perspective, given my question, and if we are to pass these bylaws as they are currently written in April per DCP. Would I be recognized as the finance secretary?
I frankly don't see how Mr. Kessler sorry, I can't say in a minute and I know. I'm sorry. My head was failing last night as you say. Definitely. Yeah, I understand his logic there. I think it's a little more semantical than I prefer. But I do understand his logic. I will say this much, though. I think if you're behind my very brief. So I think that a path from what I've learned from the strategic planning retreat, and from the multitude of conversations that I had before and after, I think Ahab is ready to move on to the things that really matters. So I can't imagine that anyone would be fighting one way or the other on that matter if this board feels like you should be able to serve as finance secretary. I'm thinking way bigger. Things I'm not. I'm not worried about that at all. I can't imagine that the law department or that anybody else higher up in it, than I am would reach out to me and say that guy is not supposed to be serving in that role. You need to stop him. It's just very unlikely. Am I gonna send you something in writing? That says that you can serve as finance Secretary now?
I would just want to I'm very uncomfortable with this language as it's written, but it was
meant to say this before I really wished. I would also point out though, that when as at the Bylaws Committee meeting, when asked if you thought that non voting members should be able to be officers, you said no. And I think it was Mr. Hunter, or maybe Mr. Kessler, I can't remember. Or maybe Mr. Ross. I don't know who it was. But someone asked you are you sure that's what you mean?
We're now getting him out now into my principal. Right. My point my principal Absolutely. But that's not what we're talking about. Right now. My principle is that exactly that but that's not what I'm talking about. Right now. Right now. I'm talking about what it is. And help me understand
though you're, you believe in principle that a non voting member should not be able to serve as an officer but because you were elected before that you believed you should be able to continue on is that fair?
I can't really fully process that what I can say is that what I do not want to see happen as I've said is we get to April, and myself, or Lora or Lesley for that matter we can no longer serve as finance Secretary as recording. I'm no Leslie's madness, not less one particular car but that's not I don't want that to happen and given the history. You won't run will pass and all that but given the history, it seems very strange and it's correct rather alarming. That this is the current language and for me, I am very afraid that when we get to April, if we vote on the bylaws as they are written, that what will happen is I will not be able to serve as finance Secretary anymore I'm what you think. I love this I love the ad in there but I want to be very serious about at the same time I'm with you there right I'm what you want, the things that we want and that we don't want how as of right now, though, that is my biggest concern that there could be or maybe some effort for whatever reason, that come April, I will receive some letter from someone that says hey, you cannot serve in that capacity anymore. Your name is not on your you can't do that anymore. And based on what you said, that's going to be the case
not going to be it could it could be the case I don't.
And that's why Miss Phillips I asked you what is your true interpretation
here. Let me just my way of thinking right now is if we pass the legislation that precludes the financial secretary, the corresponding secretary and believe it or not even the recording secretary and let me tell you why. Because according to the code GCP is supposed to be our support organization as a base. Now, but I'm okay, how's that shaking? Now but not even looking at it from that standpoint. Let's look at it from me. We have $3,000 left that Rasheed and his team are going to be spending for the neighborhood matters awards. After that we will have done and we won't get any more money. Any money that comes to AIPAC will be put into the budget as far as a line item and DCP which means we have no access access to it in any other way other than sending in a request to GCP they sent to accounts payable. Okay, so we financial secretary is a non existent your
rationale for your reasons for it. I get there
is no reason to make any changes. It's just that when, as follows we're going to have to make some other changes. We won't need to put in a financial secretary for next year. Oh, but if you're here for this year, then I don't see a problem with that. It's just we don't have any money. I mean, let's face it. I'm not somebody's
recording this meeting. I can tell you right now that I personally the Department of City Planning representative I will not send you an email in April that says you can't serve as financial seventh
Miss Phillips is that if we pass these as is will you send me an email that says I can no longer serve as finance secretary. We're being honest I'm not trying to I'm What are you What? What will I receive that email?
Things like this.
I am me too.
I was just curious. I mean, can we just make a motion to keep everything the same? Everyone voting members the same until the end of this year and put this
well, we can do something whereas you can make a provision word to say that these by laws go into effect here or a provision that says these bylaws will not affect the terms of current members officers, we can certainly do that.
That's that's what I that's what I would propose because to me, it just seems like coming in all of a sudden and taking away a vote from somebody is a little unfair. I mean, granted, and I'm still unclear if that's what it will do. And I don't even think anyone has really clarified.
But one vote period.
I do understand that. But why why do we have to force this through in April? Why can't we went through
the whole year of last year and of course, Mr. Kessler and his committee, I think met three times last year. We received no amendments, and they actually we did they discussed it but we actually did not vote on any amendments. And we wanted to avoid that problem this year by getting started. He was appointed with almost last year, so they really didn't get a chance to do a lot of work that they are doing now.
Madam President, I would really like to be able to answer that question from ago in all seriousness, calm if we pass these bylaws as they are. Should I expect to receive an email from you saying that I can no longer be the finance secretary. Okay,
the bylaws committee want to answer that?
But the body makes that call. She can make whatever he or she wants. The body can overrule any decision of the precise
That's correct. All right, shall see how
we can make the adjustments when it goes to the floor. You don't have an effective date yet.
I'm very afraid of this right now. That's all I can say.
I'm sorry, no, I don't mean but it's not going to go through. I've already got a recommendation for the effective date and also a process for replacing a delegate should they get sick or are unable to serve? So
my question I understood the bylaws when an officer vacated a seat that the Apep president could appoint those those seats to be filled is that the interpretation of both the Bylaws Committee and the president? So there would be two if we are removed then there are two executive committee that can be replaced by the a pet president. Thanks. So if or if we are removed, right. Right. The the APEC president can appoint a replacement officer that is currently in our bylaws. Yes. So that that swings your executive committee as well.
And so I think that are we can we make an amendment to these there's some just
not here. I'm not here. I just wanted to make sure that we were all on the same page and the interpretation of violence
should not be happening here.
I don't think so.
There's a lot of impact here. And I don't think I've not heard mentioned again, I think it's the various while the new TPU chairs that come on, so understanding what's happening because they inherited this, just like many people inherit what comes down a path has a history of pushing things down and the only thing you put the now especially for people with some of that positions of serving for now, and not for the generations ahead because this was created for the generations ahead and not for the now. And so one thing we didn't talk about is what are we incomplete? And what is the to what extent of the conflict and two is about eligible voting. Members. Again, the word eligible can defy just one word can defy. And not only can we do a bylaw change, you can also do to the extent of the code, but but the spirit of what we're trying to say I don't want to go on the face. The Spirit says I think we've been doing this for months. And so the thing about the spirit is what what is we trying to do what is the intent of what we're trying to do? Keep participation happening, allow the people who show up to participate to be eligible to participate. This communication that we got about the call came from an administrative piece not because it was caused by conflict within the community organization structure which we operate this, this this administrative term terminology piece, because somebody said 75 versus eligible 25 We've always had a eligibles up to 75, though key words are up to eligible, like why are we keep doing all of these things and spinning these things where the impact of your decisions right now will affect could affect years to come? So there are bigger things that like the work that's been done this in his group is being minimized because we're not able to stay consistent. So we've never met someone one day because a lot of work that I put in IT committee yield is wanting to get some financial backing. So we will try to get to that point to where we can put our stuff together because we need it. Civic engagement. Just like MPs are able to receive money from the community and other people were able when you're doing the workspace will receive things to help you do the work. So I wanted to think bigger than what we're doing in this room today. Because again, this the impact goes beyond I think we got here. Two other means that I think that it just came a creative idea to change the bylaws, and that these bylaws be changed this way and this matters but right now, it's really about eligible voting participation. Let's just get down to it. It's not about a dream to serve and that K serve and also be able to participate just as it was as a as a chair of a committee and now as most people come to become learn process and they want to progress up and do can get further engaged, get new people don't want to get engaged, you're gonna lose people, man, like, This is crazy. I don't like this. I've been watching this too long. And I'm like, I'm just gonna speak on it for my NPU I'm still currently an alternate in that they want you to recognize our own bylaws to what other company my own bylaws to date. So why should I trust what you're gonna do next month, and even the day we won't recognize cities that we keep kicking down to get elected, and you have you guys gotta make a decision right now. And this is real because I put some things in writing. It's just worn out. We've acknowledged in writing that we ignore emails, we acknowledge that we ignore communications, so quit playing with people lies and what are you doing in serving? Please carry on and move this either back to committee, but I think that he's not gonna move it back to committee, put it out to the people for consumption. Because this, I don't want I don't want this. I don't feel comfortable with a group. Just in the conversation that we had over the last 3045 minutes. We're not ready. Now we've done it. So no questions from our constituents or our members or anybody else who want to know what we have going on. So DCP Would you please help us even for our new info our new chairs. A lot of new chairs didn't know because you guys call them you listen to communication, say this is what's going on. So they can refer reference back to it. They had a phone call saying use your voting member. And so the whole conversation about going back and forth. They still in limbo like this is what I received in conversation. So most people don't want to keep up. We need to know but I wants to move on. That's what I'm saying. I want us to make a decision though not just keep this back. Are we gonna send it to march to discuss it in March or what are we going to do?
It comes out of committee and committee has recommended just like any committee, it is recommended that it be put as a resolution on the agenda for our Saturday meeting is resolution number five on our no
vote on what you guys want to hear on when it gets put on the agenda.
We cannot impede something going.
So I don't engage. Like most of those out
of the eight members, Mr. Brown that when I'm telling you if and I hear so often that we're not notified the NP user we're not engaging the NP uses about a pass up. That's what the APEC members are supposed to be doing. You're not voting for your own personal preference and what you think it should be. You're supposed to be representing a whole group of people so that those people don't have to come to this meeting.
That's why That's why I'm asking for assistance because we have not been the
kind of assistance to unique. So what we talked about previously
on how we do engagement what is what feels like meals, your communication to the MPU. I don't want to stress that one source or one independent piece. I said we're dependent on communication that doesn't have a culture of always exists. And it's something that's important. There's only rewrite that's important.
We can have this conversation. We can continue this conversation separately if you would like I will tell you I would have to be there would have to be like a unanimous resolution out of for me to spend budget dollars to communicate that matter to the masses like I'm saving those dollars, but so I'm going to point out the CDP for things that are really really rare things that represent the work y'all should be doing instead of being caught up
on whatever the person can vote and that person has to do this. The NPU
is still represented by the person that the chairperson designated to be the representative each MPU chair person has the right unless their bylaws give it to the body has the right to designate a person that they believe is best suited to serve on this board.
Chris, I think you're right.
That's why y'all
discuss Mr. Ross. Do you have any updates on the website? Update for the committee on a path for the website? My question before you go to updates. At what point would I need to get these documents to you to your group to get them on the website for meetings? I mean, how many days or whatever your minutes and your agenda really should be posted on the site?
Can I imagine that can be done within 10 minutes. Literally, you were to send that over right now. It can be uploaded onto the website within 10 to 15 minutes.
So now tomorrow morning I have to send to Kip ntcp the documents that we want to copy is made up so if I sin, copy you all on that email, then you can upload his agenda the minutes of the various needs
will only backtrack in on the newly created a path that we're trying AICPA website and we're trying to bring in that ability is able to be done within one within 15 minutes. I believe the current a PABX website that exists that Ben Norman put together that is through WordPress and Carl correct me if I'm wrong, that also was pretty easy to log into and make a quick update to as well I when I said 15 minutes that was me speaking with the newer website with the current website. I don't have access to that but if I did, it could be done in 15 minutes or less. Right. Leslie agrees, right. Yeah, that's the either way is that this clicking to have a button is updated to whichever website we want to go to.
So it's a simple matter that I can do this to you. Yes, ma'am. Okay, thanks.
Yeah, I just wanted to make sure I think we had some issues a few meetings back with versions of resolutions being copied, rather than the current versions being copied. And
I just can we just put split set as it relates to your career.
So you set out to and what I sent out with the meeting, and that's the most recent and as far as we know, final version, right? Yes, I just want to I just want to make sure we didn't end up where we were before.
Okay. So I just took what he said.
And put the numbers on it. I just want to make sure the content which correct yes, we had an issue of human beings back or an older version.
I do want to say that I think maybe it's about that. Time where we decided we were going to come together to kind of discuss the newer website though. And when we were going to, I guess go live with it at some point in time. So I think that that's something that we have to to get through or maybe even make the decision on. When we want to go live with that because I do believe that that's an opportunity for a path to really display what I believe our true function is, which is citizen participation. Okay, cool. Cool,
just for that specific reason.
So should I bring my computer then we'll go through it together. Thank you.
Okay, so we've agreed. On the back of the agenda for Saturday, of course, and always list the dates of the meeting. times and places
can you placed a tie for the Bible?
You're going to rescue your firstborn.
So, there is no requirement that we only meet once a quarter and we have already met twice. This TDA coordinate
how much? Resolution cdhs and Czone. I think we'll be back on Tuesday to talk about this
now Yeah, well, they didn't were there last time.
I was talking about last week's meeting.
Thursday through Sunday, they have food so if you go Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, you may not get food just so you know for your committee while at wildly Thursday through Sunday.
Resolution.
This four issue
series idea I was going to ask on the general meeting agenda if we could also amend the 2023 officers to reflect that I do not represent in PK and I represent in PD at least until at least until I'm removed. I mean, I just I want to be respectful of the MPU Ks, chairs desires and I don't wish to misrepresent, necessarily. I'm just asking. I'm just asking if that if that can be edited and I wasn't making a motion Sure.
The transportation plan right now. They are in the process of deciding you know getting set up. So they will get more information to us about the transportation will be Yeah, we did
send a note about the new commissioner. And his resume. Did you guys get it? You got it. Yeah, we sent it out. Last week, we had an opportunity to Solomonic Calvinists would be wonderful to have him at the ASAP meeting so that we can fully invite him on board and follow up with him about our transportation needs. Absolutely. So is it possible to get in here on the 18th of
this month? Up been on a lark.
Okay, April's April,
I guess. April.
April 15.
Okay, fine. We'll see if we can attend it would be wonderful to meet you because we had an opportunity or we'll have an opportunity to send a report to him about the NPU I as a district
executive was assaulted. had a question. We're going to need an occasion discussion about replacing the old council chamber and it still stays in the chamber.
I don't have that on my list to discuss with y'all
for quick switch meeting the general meeting
for Saturday's meeting.
And the reason for that was because
the reason for the move a whole bunch of reasons Yeah, there were there were several reasons. Starting with it's easier to clean up after
you are allowed to eat in a
good way which room can we eat in? Okay, let's go. Let's no I don't want any more problem. Let's move it on over the buffet. Okay. Move on.
So, at the end of the February meeting, admittedly things were a bit chaotic because y'all had gotten over time and people were starting to but I did announce that I wanted to I was soliciting feedback from the numbers on having moving your regular general back to the old council chambers. had a few conversations after that meeting. Didn't I have not heard any concern or any negative feedback about that, but when asked
about it, the question was whether the people that
Okay, so the only what as I was saying, I have not heard any negative feedback or concerns about moving into Oh council chambers. We are allowed to eat in Oh council chambers although there's no it we are allowed to eat in there. I would just be asking you all to please keep in mind we don't have a cleaning staff. It's just me or it's just whoever from my staff is there. That's the challenges with so that actually we start with the one of the other benefits of being over there aside from being able to eat is we have a lot more flexibility with the room setup, a lot more flexibility. And I think that that will be very helpful to change the way the room is set up. So that there's just more flexibility there. One of the drawbacks to being in that room, is that we have not yet ironed out the ability to broadcast live on channel 26. We can broadcast on Channel 26. It will it's not currently we're not currently able to broadcast live when 26. So that piece is still kind of up in the air. But I think that the it balances out because you'll be able to we'll still have cameras up so we'll still be able to broadcast it just won't be live on 26 We're looking at solutions for making it live on YouTube and possibly on Facebook as well or whatever whatever other suggestions y'all might have for how we might broadcast that VA live. 26 has agreed to replay the meeting. They just don't believe that they currently to broadcast. We're running the test on Wednesday. I did tell Mr. Hunter that I would announce or I'm sorry that I would invite you all to join in if you would like that's this coming Wednesday go day after tomorrow at 12 o'clock. We'll run just sitting around the table using the microphones recording it to see how it broadcasts on YouTube, whether it's you know whether people can really and the same for playing it back. We'll record that meeting and give it to 26 so that they can test it on their own to see if the sound quality is good enough for 26 I will point out that someone said to me in the last meeting, nobody watches 26 Anyway, that is absolutely not true. There are definitely people who follow a path 126 And I know that because anytime you have is not 126 I get an email from those very people so I can name all seven of them. No seriously though, I can name them I know who watches a PAP on 26. So we would go out of our way to just work with those people and make sure they can watch on YouTube. Which is actually better than watching it on television anyway because at least on YouTube, you can type comments if you have comments or share your opinion or what whatnot. What else is there for that move? I think that's pretty much it.
So we're looking to do this for the April meeting that this meeting was that we're prepared.
We're prepared. We're prepared for Secretary. We've done all the legwork in advance. We have all of the equipment that we need.
You're ready to kick us out of there. Said you're ready to kick us out of there.
So welcome you to my new space. We're ready.
The one push back. Push back, push back. You did get that committee on a path would have to
Yes, I'm still working on it.
That's a long run.
But we can meet over there that make it a lot easier.
We're gonna do that. Otherwise she would meet in that room.
In that room, if I remember correctly does a little meeting room on that for
me. I don't know about a beta room that's open. That's not locked. But I'm still working on Delta switches. Yes, sir. So
I'm okay. Sounds get into stream into other cool services that I can see my pretty face that's all
I am. I will be the first to say technology is not my strong suit. I have two people on my team that are much stronger at it than I am but I have no we talked about restream when y'all have some input on how to make it work or whenever. Please do not hesitate to tell me because I don't that's not my area of expertise.
So if Shambo 26 is going to join the education as June
No, she did not but I don't think there's much competition for space on 26. So there probably there would probably be some flexibility
on Saturday, the same Saturday. The reason I'm asking is because people that have gotten over accustomed to watching at home will be looking for that meeting on Saturday,
I would guess no. Only because what they've advised instructors to do to save for me on an external hard drive and deliver it to them. I don't see that happening all the time on Saturday. Like I don't see them having staff. I don't know the answer to the question is I don't know. But I pretty much assume that it would not be same day. I could be wrong.
So if we are technologically capable, and we are streaming this real time to Facebook, and there are all sorts of cameras in descended the building that are capable of streaming live to channel 26 are not Similac laptop with Facebook Live point one of those cameras and be streamed in real time because in California,
I bet you that sounds like it will lose a lot of sound quality and video quality but in the high tech so yeah. That doesn't sound realistic. Okay. There was something that I was gonna say that you reminded me of just now that I forgot to mention I can't think of it now. But if it comes back to me it was related. To the technology and
remember, it's just seconds
Okay, so you will get
Yes. So we test on Wednesday, and all of that computer
printing environment get this
now you can get a chance to model
will still need more time than last time. Okay. Council Chambers, send that to him. I will ask him to wait until our test is done. final test is done. Although I can't imagine that there's anything that would
only have to be run in one place to go to
a long walk and we'll clarify this time that it's Atlanta Planning Advisory Board, not the other
side of this building is one walk
into a meeting in this room and you tried to run over there to the short term rental ah ha and or something like that. Yes. Yeah, question long
I do. It occurred to me to ask even though this is a bylaws amendment that we'll be discussing non voting members. Currently non voting members do not have the ability to speak on the floor. I recognize that the bylaws amendment would allow them to do that. Is that something that we might consider for the discussion of the bylaws amendment either this month or or April? And I don't know if that's a question for the presiding officer or for the bylaws committee. Okay, with the with the president entertain that discussion strictly on the bylaws amendment, not on any of the other resolutions for non voting members since it will affect us.
We'll probably discuss our limit individually sanctioned at Saturday's meeting as we start the discussion by discussing
I'm asking very specifically if non voting members can speak during the on the floor because currently we cannot further by regarding the resolution and I don't I don't have a preference as to whether it's March or April. But if if we are deciding if the body is deciding something regarding non voting members, I feel like it would be beneficial for us to at least be able to speak if we don't have a we don't have a vote.
Yeah, if I'm, if I may, I mean, wouldn't it be for the sake of time easier to appoint a representative of the non members to speak on their behalf? To address their concerns?
That representative is the voting member each MPU has a person as designated to speak for that NPU
well, then I was
right. Yes, sir. You were right. It is it should be argued it should be expected that you would represent this premier as interest in any any debate on that topic. specifically as it relates to MPW the other voting members would be the same
what I was just talking about having one designated person that's not a voting member to just kind of like a it's easy for me to get up and speak on behalf of MP UW and a voting member. But for the for the non voting members to feel a little bit more inclusive to have one representative that they have that they could
go over. That you would you would entertain that. Yeah, that's safe, even though maybe others wouldn't.
But it's important to note that a perhaps culture has has indeed allowed for alternates and delegates to participate. It wasn't more so until recent times, if I'm not mistaken, where alternates no longer can really speak at the meetings if I'm not mistaken. So I think the point is still there. It should be acknowledged to some degree that no like the question is Will alternates at this upcoming meeting, be able to participate in the way that they used to participate up until recent times?
Saturday's gonna be fun. So no answer. Okay.
I was waiting for the President to answer
my question makes sense. So how would you how alternates and delegates
the way they have active members, it says each MP up to one representative just serve as another non voting members may serve as chairs fully participate in committee as committee members and participate in general body meetings with the exception of making motions and voting,
but this is the the proposed by laws. These are the proposed bylaws so the current bylaws current bylaws that's not how they're written the current bylaws how they're currently written, you had been very clear about limited the participation of non voting members.
The bylaws have not changed Correct. During the meeting that has stopped the non voting member from being able to speak. If such a ruling is made by the chair, it can be overruled or the chair can choose to make a different motion specific or a different interpretation of our current bylaws. They will allow non voting members to participate as they have been and as proposed. Okay.
So presumably any voting member could stand up and make a motion that everyone present be allowed to participate in debate on that particular topic. And if it is seconded voted on by the body that would be the rules.
So I mean, I would be willing to make that motion here now on
so let's go
make a decision about it. This body this body cannot make
this to my point, and it's how we got here. I'm gonna say again is you're ignoring the standing bylaws, we have been going so moving too into this point. And so therefore that raises a question to this body are going to recognize the current bylaws as written or not. Because now when we're representing bylaws that are coming out of committee recommendations. We have very specific bylaws that are currently written very specific and we should leave it to personal interpretations about these back and forth, but we have to acknowledge that we're gonna walk in we're gonna notch the bylaws which says that, you know, alternates are recognized. If somebody the MP US did not send out alternate then it's pretty much going to be the alternative from the previous serving piece. And if we're going to be able to laugh previously we've been allowed to talk and participate and roll call who would designate who was the voting member? Again, there has been no conflict and how we operated but now all of a sudden, we have a lot of conflict. And
it's and I'm asking a direct question of our presiding officer right of what she would rule regarding regarding the discussion and I have not yet heard an answer
to that. See what the body discusses Saturday.
Okay, so you would like to receive that as a motion from the body to ask if if the if the non voting members should
in this community, will your committee know the 25 voting members actually make the decisions?
So we challenge tower that will challenge last time, and I think that was almost up on the floor, which again, we get all the extra planning my communities meetings to the Capitol itself. So are we
learn please I don't need people please. I don't need to believe we're not this is not the same thing over No, no, no, no, but
this this point is now distributed the bylaws and if somebody the bylaws which is fair from the body, just make a motion from the floor. If a person consistently posts are we talking about the same thing over and over? How did you plan on addressing it? Because I'm saying that these people say so if so, I'm also saying that hey, we have current bylaws and we're that we're not adhering to them. And I will say the same thing on the floor. So I'm trying to and what I'm saying is right now, to be very intentional and fair on how we move forward. So we don't take the mist to the body is like what is this get a consensus of this room on the border?
That still doesn't mean anything in the consensus of this room. The board is the 25 best members, we make up a part of that check outside and we have to take it to the entire pool. See, okay. Let's move on Miss Jones. Your education committee waiting on me
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Dolly Holloway. And it's a ton of stuff. All right, Mr. Friend. Yes. I know you have not yet had a chance to do
anything. You want other commitments sure that we didn't meet but I'll just put it on.
Cheese. Please email me if you can tonight so I can get those credit for Saturday's meeting. Also, Daniel sent me an email today. He needs the minutes for December and January and I know you
started December, January. If
you copy them, and you prompt them directly to the meeting. You need to email them to me so I can sign him to him. Okay, okay. No,
I'm sorry. Well, I am trying to get everything up off the ground. I have been ill for the past two weeks, had a virus and then I got better and now I have a chest infection so not contagious. And be like, yeah,
for your mask.
I'm all decked up on medicine right now, which is why I look like I'm probably having a good time. But $10 We just want to try to get together some sort of meet and greet with the MPU chairs or safety chairs for their committees. I try and put together a date like I'm looking at certain dates now. a meet and greet. If it's up to my budget. We're meeting in a park. We put in I need to figure out a place for a meeting. I need to figure out a way to do a meet and greet I just need some help getting that together. So Leah, I'm gonna call you we're gonna work together. We're gonna be besties Yeah, exactly.
Okay, sure. Your last name
I mean, that's Mr. Friend. And Mr. Smith, calm down
the email that you sent out to the APU chairs, asking for their public safety. Cheer. I have to send your mind I totally forgot it. But have you received
responses?
I've been receiving responses. I'm going to once a tomorrow my boss kicked me out of the office because I sounded like I was coughing. Along up and told him the same
thing. You looked like you were pretty. The day that we had the conference. You look like you really weren't feeling well that day. You just didn't
want to tell me Yeah, that was when it first started. So but I did go a doctor. I'm not contagious. I want to say that again. Because everyone was treating me like I'm a leper. But I I do plan tomorrow since I'm not allowed to go to the office out of fear of spreading Ebola. I'm gonna go through the emails and start getting everyone names and writer and down so I can put out an email. I'm going to reach out to Leo tomorrow as well and start the process of trying to nail down the meeting place and meeting time and how to do an agenda. So what to do the agenda on and Mr. Brown I did reach out to you. I'd love to voicemail I would like to reach out to you and just I know that you ran it before and I would like to get some pointers from you because, you know, the best teachers from the past going forward. So that's institutional knowledge is helpful Exactly.
nicely. Now. She and I have had a conference also to talk about her goals and objectives. And he's sent over a little bit of a lot of information really fast. Your dates. I will get you the information that you need in order to be set up. And then you need to get with me also about your first meeting and we'll set a conversation in place
so I got committee reports,
goals and objectives of the committee's committee on January.
sent to me
You gave me the form to write the electronic
to get tonight I'm sorry. Hmm strategic
committees. Send everybody email and I think we had an email that was sent out for last meeting he got in regards to the Investigative Committee. And so I brought it to the board and you guys should have received an update today. I do receive information back from planning about feedback from ethics, and of course, our bylaws and so I want to raise that, again to the bodies who put on your agenda to select investigate the effects of sending email the product you responded to today and as per our bylaws. Thank you. You saying thank you, but I'm actually it's been presented to the board to the whole executive board. So therefore, some of you guys to acknowledge this was a new report. I wanted to hold it to get to committees. We also talked about the Committee on a path to dream also recommend that you bring into this body to design committee by like you don't want to wait to get to the ends and most of the business to bring it
up. What would you like to see the executive committee do
just to create the Investigative Committee to to to intake the positive effects. Okay, this is the start and then they will put out one of the things from now.
So if a motion was to be made, what would that look like?
I'll just make it a motion of already guitars have already placed in the email. You've already seen it, but just to create the member for the Investigative Committee. And in that committee with me, you guys identify those people again they will be and then we start to do fine. In fact, it's also in Robert's Rules. So if you want an
executive committee, you have the authority to create a committee.
Yes, because as the board is not if you want to, I can pass this around if you go to Robert's rule is spelt spirit specifically because it's not covered and it's not permitted to be covered in our bylaws. And so therefore, to do this investigative committees to receive the planet best podcast, podcast has already been presented via email to you all and pretty much just now at the point of being an atheist, maybe leave speak to what she received from ethics from that piece of social difference our bylaws, but I didn't do that. If you want I can present how they can
use pap change in our agenda, and
no you can't do it. They can't they can't go to the general budget because he has to be amongst the voting membership. And I'm on the non voting.
This committee has to be traded by the FBI.
So just so whatever so whatever needs to happen because it was very specific when he talked about the conversation that we're having now and I'm comfortable having it because there's no none gunners present. That committee
has to talk in that fashion, but the creation of the communities to be something so Calum Reed, can
we read this section?
That will be changing the agenda?
But that's the whole point. Is
not on today's agenda. We ask I asked about the agenda in the beginning is 717. We still have a lot of let's move on with the agenda, please. So
you don't add
to this now. I'm not ignoring you. It's just when I asked about the agenda and amendments that they voted me they made the mistake that we made those corrections. So we need to move on. All right. Now, the strategic planning sessions held on February 25. First I'd like to thank all of those of you that did. It was lengthy, but it was a learning process and so much or putting that together and helping us to realize where we needed to be as far as a pas go goals and objectives are concerned. I don't think that they sent you the information that we're talking about those strategic planning sessions Mr. Mr. Mr. Brown things
came out of committee at a committee on APR. So it was an improper place
for me that she did not make the motion to add that to the
motion second, we had a report out like we I'm saying like what we're making a motion for.
With the rest of the meeting. Okay. Mr. Ross, do ask that we put on well on the neighborhood matters award, Mr. Hunter. When a judge asked to chair that meeting, and he hits How many of you pee on you are in that committee with the right I am but he has not reached out. I sent him all of the previous information as to how we set it up and zoning rewrite Mr. Krause, within two days
I did what I like to do it is present as per this strategic planning session to save responsibility, consistency, and citizen participation and community engagement. Currently the promise of the zoning rewrite zoning to point out and I from my tape, the city has not done a very good job of getting citizen participation and engaging the community on the activities of the zoning rewrite. So we, as the committee is take to the general body, some kind of resolution to help the city do a better job of citizen participation and community engagement.
toss this around, even with my folks that, you know, didn't go to that location but tried to log on and I think, you know, it's kind of hard to hear. And the next one is April 2020.
And the last one, the last one is going to be
Oh, camel can vote. And I'll be very honest with you on this. I've talked to GMR I still don't know what the heck went on as long as I said, Yeah,
well, and that's pretty much what I've gotten down to talking to citizens. So one, we need better citizen participation. And when you do that, like shaking the word out, we need to get the word out better. Not just through them to us, but we have to use creativity and innovation engaged citizens through social media. Emails can be used door knockers robo calls.
So are saying better, but your sounds like what you really need is more. No better. No better better. What
we have is in the city of Atlanta has five generations who all live work and play in the same space, but they all communicate differently. door knockers are only going to reach a certain target. Social media is only going to reach a certain target group. That's not more that specifically targeting those groups to get their participation. We actually wrote a book about it. It's called the man and Citizen community, Atlanta Community Engagement and that was what 667 years ago, but
where is it now?
It's online. You can
follow it. Do we do. The city in general
toward the city is for communities where you stop communities do follow me do not.
My point is, is that let's let's get some recommendations. Let's get it in the form. Whatever resolution Yeah,
I mean, if there's something specific you want to say do this
city to get the word out because this is that there's so many people that don't even notice what's going on, right?
I mean, the abstract just saying get the word out is not really calling for any specific action. So what you want to
just call innovation and creativity and engaging all the target audience.
The question is, how are we now saying he needs to get something
out there? I'm saying hey, Pat needs to advise the city on how to get something out there to be more effective.
Let's get the suggestions. As to what we want to tell the city that they're going to do.
Go ahead go social media, door knock door knocking
social media,
Twitter, Twitter. And Instagram and Facebook in particular.
Carry on but yeah canvassing is just not Instagram Twitter, they're gonna say where are you doing redrafting?
I think we can talk about the details of how and how you're using the social media platform. But let's start from the top of social media.
Let's see. How are the seniors being informed about
the new camp canvassing and direct mail those are the two robo calls.
Today robo calls proper is going to be the only thing that the same is will pay attention to because you got to have a whole bunch of open cans, passing out flyers and stuff like that.
I don't think we should. We shouldn't write it down. Though at least it should still be heavily weighted and considered as all other forms of communication honor.
It can be added to water
bills
can be printed on notice.
There's a lot of ways to do it. I'll add in right now. I know that I'm sorry. Calls handles up. Okay, cool.
Happening.
The city has a meeting on this project. Presuming there's a scheduled work and a set of deliverables. I think during the first meeting, they mentioned that they had some plan that they would share with folks I've seen what they're playing and tried to get what that document is and what the expectations are and whether we believe that if they execute on it, that's sufficient or not, rather than in the abstract, just throwing out a bunch of other stuff. Not knowing what they might have planned. Next, not saying that what has been done is been sufficient. But think of the operating against that versus just throwing out a bunch of ideas about all the stuff you want. Right and presumably meeting what needs to be more specific. Social media like not be sufficient but that there will be noticed X number of times in advance meeting so far in advance whatever that needs to be. But I would love to have whatever that city contract is with that consultant before we tried to make suggestions on topics like he should be doing supplementary or instead
when I brought it to the floor guys, I was not talking about attacking the city I was talking about collaborate
that
during that conversation, did he disclose information with the optimizer to our favor getting the word out to the entire city?
That's his job. He's the guy who's like drafting code. He's not a guy who's
not Caleb, it's not Canada. Content.
They're calling it a strategic plan.
So we will we're waiting on a plan from them to test for them to tell us how they're going to begin their engagement. Is that what were
they getting engagement? I'm curious what the city asked them to do, what they are doing, right. Is it something that the city didn't give them enough budget didn't give them direction or are they not executed? Either way, I think we should be able to see help for proposed say, Hey, that's not sufficient. Do a second round of your standard of execution problem. Or a the city gave him bad instructions on what they should be doing to do what they're told to do.
Miss LaRue do we already have them? Do we already have what they're supposed to be doing and then kind of rocking out right now. Okay. I have not seen it okay. To ask for it. I've
not seen the scope of work. I will I wouldn't contribute to the conversation note that the engagement is
there is more than one. Give me a minute something I have to say. Okay. So
are we saying that we need to send some kind of office confess to ask that they provide us with that information.
Lee is asking for it now. Okay. I think once we have that we can better fact and say hey, this stuff, they completely missed the boat on XY and Z, or whatever happens to be, but I think it'd be helpful for us to react to that plan, versus in the absence of that just reply to what we've seen and heard or whatever. But this is what they said. Is that sufficient to do need to be more meetings, to be more collateral material to any better web presence, whatever it needs to be. We know what they were expected. To do and what they have performed.
Since the last meeting is scheduled by April 20. And I don't know about you all but everybody now trying to have no idea what's going on, you know, we sit there and listen to these things. And some of the questions and if people were asking clarifying questions, one definitive answer that anybody gave the
problem. People are overloaded with emails, bounce texts, and so it has to be thought out very carefully. The city has to identify partners that will help them get the message out. We go down every day and pick up 10 to 15 pieces of mail. And I won't go into how is filling up my computer, emails, tons of them. And most bounces I get my senator NPU people. It comes back and says their mailbox is full their boxes full. That was the balances that you would get. So you have to be very deliberate and utilize partners to help get the message where people go places where they go. Churches, some places like that.
When the commissioner met with CCI, she made it a point to say that she is she is pushed back on her consultants to engage as many people as possible to on the CDP specifically yes on the CDP. You're exactly right. My question to her at the time remembering what Jim has shared with me regarding citizens participation days in the past that perhaps there could be a pushing back on this consultants and asking the CDP to be brought to a PABX in the sense that we could be trained as I think we are supposed to be to take it back to our MPU and actually speak from a place of of knowledge to help sort of further that. I think part of our citizen participation here is not just supposed to be like yes, it's supposed to be speaking in regards to what happens in our MP use, but I think there's a two way conduit that we're supposed to fulfill in the sense of hearing what the city has to say, and then translating it meaningfully for the neighborhoods that are represented within the MPs. That was my request to the commissioner and she committed that that she would push back on her consultants to to bring it to a PAP I don't know when and I don't know in what function I was not. I was not allowed to ask another question. But that that was the question that was asked. So
I'd say that that's an important step. Because the last CTP we
did was was right. Yeah.
Anyway, so that's the greatest shouldn't be involved in advising the city or collaborating with the city for citizen engagement, CDP. Right now, we're talking about citizen engagement, or the zoning rewrite, which is happening right now. And the vital meeting is scheduled April 20. So we need to make a decision is it one is that what we want to take on? And to what does that look like? How do we collaborate with the city to be more effective and citizen participation? Right?
To pull that down to get that choice, can you do
your job scope? Yeah, yes.
I guess we can even discuss it. Email is a series of
problems that I have noticed with their current system. They go to these meetings and then you're supposed to go online and answer a questionnaire. They have questions and you don't and you don't have to go to meet questionnaire, but there are interest groups out there who are mass mailing people saying you all need to go into this questionnaire and hear the answer sheet. And if at the end of the day, the consultants who are involved are saying look, 90% of respondents said x that's not a meaningful statistic because all you're really doing is looking at people's gaming the system.
Absolutely. And when you have a special interest Moots developers and whomever they they pay to have that kind of stuff.
Keisha Lance bottoms did the same thing. We could go to a sprint and I which really got GSU gotten out of the city hall and when they got here, they found out that they were being bamboozled. They took their T shirts out literally right to see all this
ad that I had heard multiple times, both director homes, Deputy Commissioner cinnabar Commissioner Krenz say probably in the last six months I've heard it countless times that the zoning rewrite will not be decided by special interest groups. We'll see what happens but that's that's the spirit of their intention. And they said that with no residents and I mean with no. No members of the community and each
one of those things that when I go to answer those questions and just be my opinion, I wonder, you know, is this worth my time? Because am I going to be drowned out by 1000 people who are going to air it what they've been told to say on this thing and this point, why am I wasting my time answering this question,
which is a great consideration that we should get to get on the table in front of the city and say, You guys have to consider this your decision making process. Well,
this is why and preaching to the choir here. But this is why getting back to the basics is so important, because we've got to there are important things happening in the city and we're spending so much time you know on stuff that really isn't. While the big things are happening, we're here arguing over sort of things and the big things are passing by really big things
are not there commotion at this conversation to the general body or is that premature? I have not dealt with that.
Wait until let her get us this their scope of contents scope as far as the project is concerned. Find out what it was that they were asked by the city to do. Then we'll take a look at it and see just how much of it is not all
right. We will push it off for another month we will
be able to get that pretty quickly. All
right, it actually doesn't matter what the scope is. It just gives us more direction on on the deficiencies, what the deficiencies are and how we can fill those gaps I think but I don't think free forum discussion
that the full body being done. So if you want to just have a free form discussion and the full body game or if you want to have some sort of stated position,
more specific and general body we really do agree with calm bring to first find out what they were asked to do. And then we take a look at and collectively say okay, this is not what we're saying. And then we come up with our position. And as the city, whatever it is we want to ask them or because I'm an one, this is just personal with me. I have no clue. And I've read all the stuff that they sent out. I have no clue as to when all of this is going to come to me. Because we have a lot by 20 the last thing and the next thing we know they're going to put all of these things into policy and you know a message like That
sounds a lot like how we got into this alternate delegate thing over here. But
I would make a motion to to have perhaps a free forum discussion but maybe a letter that could be debated on on the floor. That could be sent from from a PAP we seem to have a we seem to have good response or at least attention given to letters that are sent from the body. Right. And so if there it sounds like we've already brainstorm some ideas, right? And so if there is a draft of a letter to be offered to the body for for this meeting on Saturday, I think that would have some time right? I mean, it say say if you think that's the wrong thing to do, but I'm with you, like if we wait until April, we're missing the boat. And I think letters are the specific to ask them and we just had we just named several things. I think that that we are going to have there's going to be the last meeting here on April 20. I don't I don't see the city having some plan beyond that regarding public engagement in it particularly in that way. Now perhaps there. There may be other ways, but we have not yet seen what those are right.
I think that the letter could say nothing more than whatever this thing is that's happening on April the 20th. You shouldn't be in yet. Because clearly the process up until now has been insufficient periods. I mean, you don't have to go beyond that right?
We don't have to but I think that's a that's a
before so I can say that for
you. But I think that there's a goodness to actually having something defined and saying that we are responding we are watching we are asking for the engagement of the city beyond what is is identified for April 20. And I think we have some ideas around that. Right. That's and I think that our body can make that decision. Maybe they decide that they don't want to send a letter that's fine. That that is up to the body. I won't even have a vote. But the fact is, like do our earlier voice. But I'm just saying like Terry's point and Chris's point like I do think that this body has a way of like sort of slowly eking out things versus actually affecting discussions that are happening at the time. This is the time to have that. Does it does it mean that we can't have something you know, after April 20, perhaps so but I'd rather not miss that opportunity if we if we have the opportunity to meet this month and take it up. Let's do it. yourself.
We just want to clarify some misinformation because it inches amazes me how quickly stuff gets around and causes so much confusion like a year and a half. I've been seeing this a year and three months, whatever it is so be clear, Mr. Roth and I had this conversation before this meeting started. So he is clear, I believe on my personal position on this but so that everyone in the room is clear and so that people don't start talking about what they think my position is. I do believe that AIPAC should be addressing this urgently. However, it is not true that the April 20 meeting is the end of the opportunity for engagement at all. That is the end of the second step. Of course step four part engagement process. There are four parts to the engagement process. These ongoing focus workshops are part two. Next is part three, and then after that is part tour. And each of those parts as I understand it again, I'm not running this show is not in my purview. But as I understand that each of those parts, a few sessions, leading discussions, conversations, whatever in each quadrant of the city. So you're talking at least eight more after the April session. I'm not saying you don't put it off forever. Absolutely not. As I told Mr. Ross, I think y'all should address it urgently. But I also think that you can pause for a minute and think about what that should look like and how to proceed. As opposed to just throwing something at the wall. Honestly,
I don't want to see us put something out there that is not totally correct. Not totally thought out, and not totally researched. But before but before we wrap up something to present to the body. first need to know what the original plan was. We need to be able to show the buy back Yeah, after April. This is what she said is correct. After April 20 This is to occur this is to occur this is to and that's the end. That's when we start right now. I have no clue as to other than no sheets that they do to us.
Oh, sorry. I just wanted to add one last thing what I stated is not knowledge that is specific to me, but it's on the ATL zoning website. And I do encourage all of you to review the ACO zoning website.
It's not the state average.
Well, that part is clear. So I listened. I'm a resident too, and I'm not a zoning expert. So I'm experiencing this the same way that a lot of other folks are experiencing it and I'm athletes MPP days and people aren't talking about it at all or they're not knowledgeable at all. So as I experienced it in that same way I get it. I think a good starting point is AZ on somebody's website, at least to understanding what the engagement plan is so that when you make a recommendation for more engagement, you're not saying we want this and that's already on the website as something that's going to happen. That's all I'm trying to do. look good.
We got one more question.
answers because again, we are a community engagement group. So if we didn't do anything that was being published already. It's not permanent. We have some tools around our iPads that we have formed a committee to discuss on how we can engage her on his own and then we want to make some immediate impact and although it doesn't really matter, conversation, we want to make an immediate impact unless you're desperate for money to do something well you want to utilize your own budget you have to get an estimate some money back you know me, as well as planning to help supplement so much like again, what do we all ask for us having the information of the ability to to push out information? We have our 25 people, we have our people that's our job. So we just got my shame information and put it in in a newsletter. What it says may be upgrading the town the town hall. I just want to say that, you know, we created the Bible. We asked him to save everyone write something to request somebody to look to have the white blood drought get through government to them with violence. Me to be put in the
committee chairs, if you would please email me those who
really care
early on, so by the end of the year, we have our completed perfect yes
it's perfect. And I brought snacks for everyone in celebration of and also because I was starving in New York can again second, third fourth. All right, thank you all so much. Always overlook your lady. I'm secretive or I'm staying in the home. Whatever the case may be a whole list
Can you can you share that with us the can you share what you were gonna say? I want to get what you got.
On Saturday. The Department of ethics will be here said he's able to help people buy on the spot so you don't have to worry about that later. Have you done it before? It's very quick process already
termite MO
You may have okay you may have they'll be here for those old council chambers is on my list. We covered that already. Committee Chairs training. We are working to offer a training. I'm not prepared yet. And I'll take your feedback on that not clear yet whether that would be an open like an ism University type of class or primitive or something just for a path. But it is clear that a path to benefit from having training for its committee chairs
something specifically very
happy to do that. Yep. So if you don't have a preference for warm weather that is obviously out of respect for your own schedule. Not trying to throw another meeting on your calendar. Do you have a preference as to whether that is on a Saturday where you're already meeting on a Monday where you will obviously answer my data already? But on a Saturday when you're already eating or on a weeknight or something else. you schedule it I just won't be
Jeremy's twice the training you should be able to decide now. You obviously
whatever works for Jim does not work for all.
No Kyle, you are the vice chair of two committees and you also filled in for taking for the recording secretary for the January meeting. You need all the sounds okay,
okay. I will reach out to see what your all's preferences. Committee Chairs trainings, okay.
We've been working when my kids are in school because
we're we're proposing things right now.
I'd like to propose,
I'm not picking the bait or the jump from personnel but I won't pick I don't know, I don't know and I'm stuck.
It's a democracy. We didn't get our vote. We didn't win.
Sorry, sorry. Sorry. I have since reopened last topic that a lot of sounds and movement happening right now. I apologize. Nothing. I'm just having a
how soon would you confirm their assignment because you're going to want
to meet when y'all want to do it. But are you prepared? I'm prepared to do it whenever y'all want to do it. However, in the spirit of all being strategic planning, I would like to do it sooner than later so that y'all can continue this momentum that you have now is like support. It's a one time thing but I'm more than happy to operate a second time at the end of the two hours. Y'all discover that even though you need more training 37 times because the market has already said that the authors say these things. Today we work on that doesn't count. Okay, ethics Oh council chambers rules of engagement. I mentioned last month that I was working on a draft of some rules of engagement. I will share that draft with y'all by Saturday. That's my hope
was one of the engagement
rules of engagement for this board.
Oh for how we can participate or how you know,
like, engaged with each other. Last month, I think the board would benefit from having years of engagement to keep y'all from having to do that work. I would be happy to draft it and pass it along. To mark it up however you see fit totally up to y'all but I'm gonna do my part and put that in your hands. Hopefully by this Saturday. I'm happy to announce that we will be posting a position in the next week or two. As we have for the last nearly four years. I don't hire anyone without getting input from a path. And so we will ask for someone to sit in on those interviews. It has historically been Ms. Glover because she has a background in HR. I have never selected anyone I have just asked for a person to sit in on the interface and help us make a decision on who we hire. Since they support the MPU this person will probably not much. We also and then lastly is a big one and that is the Georgia Open Meetings Act. Last year, well actually December 2021 and again at the beginning of last year I sent correspondence to some of you may remember this. Some of you may not have sent correspondence to the committee chairs and the executive to the executive committee. That can but it was I'm sorry, it'll come to me in a second. But the correspondence was around me, the chief transparency officer had gotten a complaint about meeting minutes from one of the committees not from the body but from one of the committees and it looks to be honest, like it was something personal like somebody wanted something in the chair either took too long to give it to them the committee chair if it took too long to give it to one more when we get into the middle or didn't have it because a lot of the committee's are pressed for people and in any case it raises the flag, the transparency officer reached out and we had some discussions I sent an email capturing that conversation saying you know make sure you do ABC XYZ and recently, as in Oh, that reminds me please don't forget to say what I was gonna say about this. I want to point out my memories real bad job. So in any case, we are not necessarily completely incompatible with George open, as you know, like across the board, there are some things that I don't know. It just seems like people are more comfortable looking away and other things that they're not comfortable looking away from. But in any case, I kind of operate on it. If I know about it, I can't look away from it. If I don't know about it, then I just don't know. But if I know I can't look away. And as a result of one of these conversations that came out of the parliamentary procedures class versus sending an email I then reached out for guidance as I do because I make those decisions on my own. And a pad is not publishing minutes in accordance with the Georgia open meetings. Period. It is not happening it I don't know if it ever did happen for me because I wasn't monitoring it like that. I don't really be looking like that. To be honest. But in any case, as I've said countless times before, we are more than happy to support in any way that we can and I won't say it's our job because that makes some people uncomfortable when we say stuff like that, but I will say that we don't mind doing it. So.
So let me be clear on this. I know that you have said Daniel minutes, our APEC meetings,
okay. Within a timeframe yes
or no, we're not doing a time right because of course I have to wait until the secretary gets into a minute right now. December January and February. That
was what I was asking her for.
But as far as the Executive Committee, minutes are concerned, do I send those to him as a separate document, not executively that mean, all the committee's? Do I send those as separate documents? Are those going to be uploaded also or how should I do that? Yeah, that said committee meeting.
minutes is I will acknowledge it's going to be a big, a pretty heavy lift. I've seen young looks. I said I'll tell my team is small and we are spread really thin. Because we are in our heads. We're super people who just want to do everything for everybody and I don't know how our team will be able to adhere to this for all of APEX committees because they have has a lot of committees. That said we have to I don't know how
not to it's not just the general body and the Senate.
I'll send you all a copy of this but but it reads is in sorry.
We are recorded video just as good as the minutes.
So kind of
in the city of Atlanta it is that was passed by Andrea Boone. Yeah
September October of last year, that record recording of the meeting. Can be
If so, yes, but that's only the case if it is clear who is voting so it works for like council meetings, but as you can see who voted what, but in these meetings, you can't see if something is not unanimous. You can't see who's voting to oppose it. And that's the piece that's what it
says a meeting who
you could but we've got we're working on that. I don't have two other
pointers. Well, this solution just be to send it to the committee that will now be uploading the stuff to the website.
Well, that was one of the reasons I was asking him and I was asking about the men committee meetings in this one of those committees, and I was thinking how old website but I know my instructions from the city was that on a path minutes, we have to submit those they are actually uploaded along with all the shows, all resolutions and all our minutes. So those have to be sent directly to them for uploading. Whether they passed or whether they're passed or not. Women play the ones that are past.
We don't put them on our website. And so I'm triggered in that job.
Because we had this discussion about somebody sent him an email, asking about a resolution.
Oh, all the time. We get requests for minutes that we don't have on the website so
we can only upload the resolutions, of course is after they've been tasked by the
body. Yes, but the resolution so let me just read this one sentence please. Just one sentence a summary of the subjects acted on and those members present at a meeting of any agency shall be written and made available to the public for inspection within two business days of the adjournment of the meeting. As with everything else now can debate as you wish as you start
uploading as possible that is report.
So I am I brought this up for this reason with the solution in mind already, please. We will not sure how yet and we'll have to work with y'all because we're gonna need some help on the committee stuff period. I just I don't have the bandwidth to attend seven or eight however many committee days so I can play Scrabble during the daytime but seriously, we will. We will publish within two business days so no later than Tuesday of your meeting.
We will publish a voting report
saying that includes who you know all the minute stuff that was there voted one time and you gotta let
me get this together in my head because I had originally started rushing to keeping a record of how each person each. That's helpful. So I'm going to go back to the voting record with the sheet that we have and I'll submit that with the agenda and the resolutions that were passed. So
with it that is already happening. Crisis of RV,
we're all going to say I need to know because you know we have been doing that but I have not been submitting them publicly list. Yeah, I don't have that. Okay, so I have to submit the voting list. And I have parliamentarian actually counting the votes and
it has them who made the motion what the motion is. Who's in the room all of that's not
me. Okay, that's it. All right. So you need that?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what you wanted to but that's,
yeah, that's in the minutes, but sometimes I really feel bad that he has to send me these emails asking me for minutes because I've sent them to the secretary. We have to have the minutes, you know, and he's still asking for December as of today and January, not February, December in January. That's because people
have made observations, that planning is not we can't even get our minutes on the website and you can't even do that. But we don't have to limit. You can't put it on.
Those things. I've said go on the website and they are opposed to the resolutions the minutes they do get them out
that is it Yes, you do.
See Sure does. Take another word of Absolutely. Absolutely.
Nothing else to say about this. Oh yeah, I buy just that it's not just the consultant that is responsible for the engagement party.
You mean we'll be good to know what their scope? Absolutely yeah.
I'm just saying don't let it everyday. No, that's not the there's we have a marketing communications department and that department we have a marketing communications.
I like the idea of I don't like the idea of being reactive to a report that we received. I don't see any reason why we couldn't have been proactive and do both like
as we were preoccupied with other stuff,
right. I get it. I'm just just even even now I think it's important to be proactive, like we've set and we've seen what consultants bring year after year. I don't need person need to wait to see what they're going to bring to the table like I think a pod is fitting and knowledgeable about the needs when it comes to citizen participation. So my thought is that we should be able to do both. And that's my two cents about the report. It's going to be great, but
it's not a report.
It's a plan. Yeah. Scope of Work, the scope
of work, the consultants, whatever they don't bring back on the document or piece of paper that's telling us what they're supposed to be doing or not supposed to be doing. That's what I'm talking about. I think that's great. I don't think that we need that to be able to put forth suggestions of what citizen participation could or should look like.
I mean, I could argue both sides.
I think it's both well think of it from the standpoint that the city has spent your tax money to pay these consultants to come in and do quote unquote, zoning rewrite. 2.0 Okay, these are your tax dollars. And while you know I've been in corporate America and military all my life, I know how difficult it is when you gotta get policies and procedures and whatever, you know, down the road in a short period of time, however, when you realize that it's not getting to the people that needs to begin to, that's when you say, Okay, this is not working. We do a linear change right here, and let's figure out what needs to happen. Ultimately,
the people should sway and see which way should go because our taxes aren't.
Exactly and but here's the here's the thing with corporate America and I guess, in my brain on liking, proceed to corporate America. You got the people up here that know what needs to be done. You got the people under them, that they're telling what needs to be done. Then you got the people under them who was supposed to do the work. And then they have discretionary powers to bring in consultants to do the work. And in my experience, would the people appear see it needs to be done? By the time it gets down here is totally different. Okay. So I don't believe in being I believe in being proactive. But when something has already been put into place, and I'm sitting there watching and listening to it, and I realized that nobody in the room is getting it, then it's time for us to be reactive and say, Look he had a home ever the idea was great, but the citizens are not getting it. And so what's going to happen is we'll get down to September or October or whatever. And all of a sudden, everybody goes up because you're sending out these proposals that this is what we want to do. This is for, you know, Mr. Files and all these other good things, and they won't have absorb anything. And I agree with you guys and that's the way it has been with a lot of the stuff that we get, and that's big and I honestly feel and I can't say this is your business, my feeling. Consultants are hired. They are hired by the people down here that have to do the work. But it gets down. Nobody really knows what the work is supposed to be. So I send you a proposal, and it looks good on paper. And you said Okay, so my contract, but then when I start doing it, now we're talking about how many people we got in 500,000 feet. You got to have some really definitive measures in place. You're never going to reach the whole topic of 1000s. But there's no reason that you should not be able to reach at least two thirds of them. And two thirds of them say well yeah, I heard about that. did not understand it. But I heard about and as it stands right now I know if you could find a good 60,000 You're saying
I'm happy to see honestly that a PAP is getting back to focusing on citizen participation. And that's in particular that's it so let's do that.
Get back to back to that. So that's why you want to Yes, should we get here a little bit louder?
So that Christian was that? Is that just being supplied to AIPAC? Or does that is she communicating that to other bases that are presumably not complying with
Kyle and that's how you I could not care less about anybody. I don't know the answer. There's already I don't have 100% Straight Well,
Justice you were like once I once I hear on here. I'm curious as to what she heard and she's like, Oh, I
don't continue to hate that. I tell my people. I've worked with folks that you can count on to be happy so they know that they're going to use them so they know half of that is not going to be true. It's
it's a it's a leading question. It's a what I asked a leading question.
Okay. So what's the next?
Well, it's not it's not a it's not another question for you. It's observation for me. Because I suspect this breathing thing except for the bees and native Z RB sees the baby the LRB. And
oh yeah, no, I agree. I never use
that. They don't do it right. I'm not I'm not sure you give a pass to it.
But they also don't have people that why income not mine. That's probably not a nice word, but they don't have people that enjoy a PAP done on people connected
or not going there. That's why they wouldn't I'm not going there. But I'm telling you
in advance. If you're wondering why. And not bad or not, but you're not only putting your own power.
I'm wondering it
out loud, so if you're wondering why I haven't not anybody else. Other folks are not reaching out to the city saying I co found this isn't writing sucks
Yes, you can. You can only supply information you have and if you don't have an action summary within two days, you can't do anything. And as opposed to
maybe, yeah, I look at it. If I'm at the meeting what my staff is at the meeting, correct you said we'll be responsible for making sure that it gets published on our website, because again, I'm not responsible for what other bases do.
I hear you? I think it's interesting, and that, although the president stated that the code says that you all do stuff for a pan because there's one different sort of wording right, but that there are certain obligations that DCP has to AIPAC regarding system that's fair. It's not
accurate. What's not accurate,
whatever that requirement that needs to be provided to AIPAC is there's nothing in the code that says
specifically that doesn't happen and what support says that we are hearing the secretary so I messaged
him once so I appreciate the offer to it is does have historical precedent that the Secretary was a city planning staff to get it right. So I appreciate the effort you're going to my head though is once again back to CCI along with GSU or looking at bases overall. Knowing that now this is on somebody else's radar for the hundreds of bases we have I would
if not now when somebody else is leaving now, are you meeting me I don't know. This is an email, whatever email that reference was from December 2021 and January 2022, or February
2020. To your conversation with Kristen Did you
Yes. All the all of that was but when I got another a recent complaint and then went to go reach out to them about that. I pulled up that same email and like this already covered right here.
Anyway, I think it's worth BGSU team and myself to know to give our recommendations or comments whatever on basis ensures that this is something to be considered. And is it the obligation of whatever support staff the city is providing to provide that work? Because otherwise this can easily come up with any base right and your obligating typically, when all bases are all volunteer citizens, sometimes their city councilors whatever else but getting clarity on that because if we are supposedly committed to transparency This is a key piece of it, right? Because otherwise, otherwise, the typical course of action as stated in the next sentence, and then the next sentence of the GA open represent,
talking about a pattern. So let's have this conversation separately. This conversation in this room.
She doesn't want to be recorded. You got some like recording bleah you don't like recording? Me?
No, you just don't like me personally. That's okay, too.
We're just like people I like or dislike, behavior and conduct. Okay. Okay. Now, I don't know you personally to like or dislike you. Okay. Correct. You would agree right.
I would say that we had a very different relationship before I started asking questions. started publishing untruths. Oh, so it's because I published things about this board. I published my opinion.
On truth if you if you blatantly say Leah took two steps to the right and she actually went to the left that's not an opinion. In any case, it's April 13. I still have work to do so GOOD NIGHT y'all.