This is the first episode of the Ask Dad Labs podcast. It was recorded on February 18 2021. It's simple. You ask questions and dad's answer. When we need actual answers we find the experts are starting panel is made up of longtime friends clay is one of the founders of Dad Labs. He's an Austin, Texas, and has won in high school, one in college and one out sailing the seas. Literally, Nick is in Louisville, Kentucky, and has kids who are six and 13. And I'm Ben, I'm south of Detroit. And my kids are 11 and soon to be 13. And we'll have a fancy introduction in the next episode. Oh, hey, guys, you know, you were talking about going to the grocery store. So I got this tattoo. I just got this tattoo the other day cuz I kept losing my Kroger card. And I kept you know, you have to get it out. And sure that thing, and I can't find it. So I had it tattooed on my wrist right above my watch. So I, I, you know, stick my arm out there and the cashier. They're always looking at me now. And they're like, What the hell are you doing? And then I redeemed myself.
Oh, boy.
I'm suddenly regretting some choices about
how are you going first half Not gonna lie?
Oh, boy. Well, I'll tell you, it's convenient.
Oh, my God.
So we've got some questions. All right. And the first the first one's not so much a question is just sort of a situation that we're in. And I think a lot of people have questions for how our family survived through this. So clays in Texas, and there's a lot of news about Texas right now. And it's, it's, it's pretty dire at times. Hopefully by by Sunday, I think we'll be we'll be flipping on the other side. And we'll see what the distractions like. But families are definitely struggling. So in doing this, I keep thinking what should we have for emergency preparedness? And then how much how much have you guys done for your families?
What's been, it's been pretty crazy in Texas, and it's been a a huge reminder that a little bit of preparedness can really help a ton. And my family, I've been a bit of a prepper I have to confess not like a doomsday prepper but I think about this kind of stuff. And they always make fun of me because my my Doomsday strategy has always been what you really want is vodka and bullets. Because really, when the end comes, you want fungible tradable items because when the when the currency collapses, you want to say you want fifths of vodka and you want the most used caliber of bullet and this is going to be the currency and you're going to say you stockpile that and they laugh at me and they say all this all your Doomsday prep stuffs. And really that's that's I'm just joking but you
know, what the the most common caliber is?
I don't even know oh nine millimeters I don't really care i'm not a gun guy. So I don't really care but that but I've always said that that's going to be what the economy is based on you know, so if you've got you know, Tito's you know, and you've got some nine mill you can trade for what you need. But the real you know, when when when something happens like this happened here in Texas, you know, you do Do you think there has to be some preparation mine is I do have a generator, I've got a gas generator, I keep 10 gallons of fuel. I keep 10 or 15 gallons of fresh water. bucket of like Costco disaster food it's a five gallon, it looks like a Home Depot bucket and it's sealed. And it's got you know, they say it's like 100 meals. So it's like 100 just add water. And I'm sure it's just the worst, worst food everybody you know, keeps for 15 years or so like that. And I've got a little I've got a disaster bag, too. Not a go bag but like a disaster bag. And that's that's pretty much my that's pretty much my prepper
Well, we have a shit ton of candles all around the house that never get lit. I know we have a lighter in the junk drawer in the kitchen that will like be able to light them all. And a couple of flashlights and our phones are generally charged. That's about the extent of it. And I feel really I know I should if we were to be out of power in the winter, for several days, we would likely leave and go stay at a friend's house, even north or somewhere, then you know that someone that could have to pick it up accommodate a family of four, or even a hotel. I mean, we just wouldn't be able to stay here we were out of power. I don't really, really remember why. But it was in the summer. It probably seven, eight years ago. And we were out without power for like, four days. And it was like, you know, in June, it was hot. And it was really weird. And my brother kept bringing us frozen gallon jugs. And we would trade them out and put in the, the cooler for food. And for milk, mostly because I think Andy was like, maybe two, three. So yes, it's been 10 years. Because he was a baby, he was toddler at most. I don't remember why that was. But we weren't really prepared for that either. But it was a little easier in in the summer, because you were going to be uncomfortable with the heat. But you weren't going to die of hypothermia. So yeah, we're not prepared
for prepared. I mean, the thing is, one of the things that we saw here in Texas in the last three or four days is that it can happen super fast. And I was talking to a friend of mine who's got kids one and four. And he the power went out on Sunday didn't come back until Wednesday. And you know, they hadn't done a whole lot of prep, they didn't have a whole lot. They they made it through. But they live in a like a hilly neighborhood. And suddenly, you know, they don't have a four wheel drive vehicle and in their neighborhood, the you know, the snow hit, and then the ice it and they couldn't leave, there was no option to go to the hotel, there was no option to go, you know, to the mother in law's house. And I couldn't even get in like I've got a generator, you know, our power stayed on. I wanted to bring him but I couldn't get into the neighborhood, you know. And that's the scary thing is that things can happen pretty fast. And suddenly you don't have the resource of just getting in the car in and going. So it's you know, it's worth it's worth thinking about, what, what it would be like, and I'll say this, here's my one tip. The one thing that we didn't, that I didn't have was a source, a source of heat that was safe. What was happening in Texas, everywhere is people were turning on their gas stoves. And people have been doing some really dangerous stuff, bringing grills and doors trying to create some heat because, you know, it was it we've never seen this before but it was 14 degrees, it was 10 degrees at night in Austin, Texas. And folks didn't have power and they had no source of heat that was safe. And people died. And you know, people work I saw people hooking up like trying to rig AC events from their vehicles into their homes. And you know, people just riding their cars in the garage is doing lots of very dangerous shit. And so the one thing that I would do over is just even if you live in a hot climate like Austin, Texas, you need to have a plan for what's the source of work in the house. You know, you've got fans, you're gonna you know how to cool what's the source of warmth and so we'll keep you know I've got a generator and I will now always have like at least some safe space heater that I can run off that generator in the house going forward.
You know, I just taking inventory I think in our in our last move up here to Michigan from from Indiana, I think we uncovered we have something like six propane canisters. So we've got six propane tanks to run grills and all that sort of stuff. So I think we're set for a while. And we have two chest freezers full of stuff. We've got the kids, you know, they they we've got two boxes to Sam's Club boxes of Eggo waffles. So that'll get us a week. And, you know,
that's actually
yeah, we've got the boys wanted pizza rolls we so we've got we've got a whole box of Sam's Club pizza rolls, and they haven't touched them for two years. So we still get those will actually if we have a disaster like that we have electricity, I guess scenario
like that. A friend of mine said, Oh, and I lost power. And what did you do for what do you do with all the food your food go bad? He's like, dude, it was like eight degrees outside. We just put the food out the door. Yeah. When your fridge.
It's exactly the problem is in that temperature. So you haven't experienced this recently, anyway, is that if you put your beer out in the snowbank when it's too cold, the beer the bottle actually will crash. You know they'll it'll explode. And so you don't want to do that. Yeah, keep your beer safe.
Yeah, for real. Yeah, but my, my my vodka that I'm using. That'll be fun times. That's good. You can put that in the
snow. You just want to be careful that the money just walk that it doesn't walk off. Yeah. location in the snow. That's right. We got all this noise going on, they're finally scraping our street out here. So it's very distracting. And that's why I keep muting. They're running up and down the street and it's really loud. If you
got one in Texas, there's no such thing as a snowplow. We
don't have one. Yeah, yeah. You know what that is? Do you see what
I mean? I have, but
yeah, I mean, you've been you've been up north before he's been he's been skiing.
Not a skier. No.
here in Michigan, you know, we're in a township. So we don't actually have streets get they get plowed our residential streets get buried. So. So we've got 1015 inches of snow compacted on our streets right now. And four vehicles. Yeah, yeah. A lot of four wheel vehicles. Yeah. So that's good.
All right. So the second thing this is this is just more for fun. Somebody just recently died from another gender explosive went off and killed him in their gender reveal party. And of course, what it was just a year ago that the one of those forest fires in California was started from a gender reveal party. So what is what's your take on gender reveals right now,
to go to that level, is really, really stupid. There's, I mean, I just don't get it. It's not having a kid. greatest thing ever. For me, it was not a big deal for me at all to reveal make it a big surprise to reveal it was more of a surprise to say, Hey, we're pregnant. Rather than it's a boy or girl. Sure. The cakes, and the balloons, anything, anything above that to me, in my, you know, asinine dad, unsolicited, well solicited parenting advice. anything more than that is ridiculous.
You know, I think this is this is not a Gen X thing, right? I'm 53 like this was not really think so, you know, my perspective is you should generally keep your gender covered, just gender, keep some stuff over your gender. And if you really feel like you need to reveal that to people, maybe just do that in private, like, maybe that's something you want to do, maybe a button. I don't know. I mean, we, I just don't, I don't get it, I just simply don't get it. And maybe we lack for things to celebrate, or, you know, our culture has this need to create instagrammable moments or something that will be on Tick Tock and be viral. And that people want this kind of content to sort of frame and present their lives. You know, I would also say, give yourself some room in case your kid doesn't end up being one gender or another. What if your kid you know, doesn't identify with the gender that they are assigned? Or what if they don't have it really easily identifiable gender, all these are possible outcomes, and doing making some big deal in production of your kids gender, you know, that can that can end up in I know, it's a small percentage of people but and I'm not trying to be you know, Captain woke or whatever, but I, you know, that could happen. And that's like, a practical thing you have to deal with whether you're woke or not, you know, if that circumstance,
well, I had a friend who he was all excited about getting the the gender, you know, revealed from the doctor. And so it happened. He didn't have a party or anything, but, but he was so excited about that. And I said, Oh, yeah, we're we were pregnant the same time. So my wife was anyway, I probably felt pregnant, here.
So he didn't.
He says, Oh, you know, there's plenty of surprises. So so we're gonna, we're gonna go ahead and get the gender so we can make plans, we can plan we can get the colors all set and all that. He said, there's going to be plenty of surprises. And then when the time came, his wife had to have a C section. And they scheduled it. And so he said, Well, the time was, wasn't a surprise anymore. And so all the surprises of that process were gone for their first kid. And the whole reason that he thought it was okay to that he'd be good with the gender reveal from the doctor was that there were plenty of other surprises and I'm sure down the road. There are other surprises. You'll He gets praised all the time. But I don't know, I don't. I think, like clay was saying the, that tends to, I think it tends to put our kids in boxes before they're even born.
Yeah, well, I, you know, we knew I go into the ultrasound, which I highly recommend that every dad should be there for all those, you know, those fantastic prenatal ob gyn visits, it's, it's an amazing experience, and we always there for all of the ultrasounds. And for our boys, I didn't need the tech to identify the gear, I was like, I believe, based on my personal experience, that that is a male child. And so, you know, that was, that was really gender reveal. I didn't feel like you know, that was, so I needed to transmit too widely. Our daughter was shy. And so, you know, we didn't, we didn't really know until she was born. And that was a moment of, of real joy. Our first pregnancy was so troubled, and we ended up with a premium, neonatal intensive care and all that. And one, you know, one of the many things that was just beautiful about our second child's birth was, and we didn't know, and it was, it was really a fabulous, magical, kind of kind of moment when she was born. Yeah,
I didn't need that surprised. I mean, I mean, we had been trying for so long, even with the first and just that, that we were pregnant. And I was having a kid was was a huge surprise. And like they the tech x asked us, do you want to know the gender? And we looked at each other? Yeah. Demi, there was no question that we were going to find out, even with both kids. And then, you know, with the girl who is six, that we have a seven year gap. And I would not recommend less than a five year gap to anyone, everyone plans for two or three years, seven, five to seven years because the first kid is independent. For the most part, you're not trying to corral a toddler, while you're changing the diaper of the baby kid is sitting in front of a screen or playing with toys or whatever, while you're dealing with the baby was unbelievable. I was not expecting that did not plan on that tried for for the two year mark didn't make it. But the whole experience was just insane. Speaking of the C sections, though, they wanted to schedule the C section for the girl. And I was like, I don't I don't really get a say because I'm a dude. And it's good to be a man and I don't have to deal with any of that creepy, weird thing living in me stuff. But I was like, No, I don't want to schedule it. That's the one thing in their entire life. The kid gets to choose, that's their birthday. And they're ready to come out. And they were like, Whoa, okay, but if it gets to a certain point, we're gonna, or if we start getting worried about something, we're gonna have to schedule, I was like, okay, whatever date you think you need to schedule it, we're gonna schedule it like three weeks later, to give that extra gap of time to let the kid choose. And so we never made it to that point where they had to be she still had c sections both times. But they weren't scheduled. They were, by their terms, emergency c sections, but
we need to we can do we can do a whole segment on the proper spacing of children. Right, I think that's worth it. I will say, I will say that, well, gender reveals I'm not sure that I am maybe this is something that's just newfangled. I'm being a cranky old man, which seems to be my it's the hat. But the I think baby showers are legit. Like, if you're young, and you're getting, you're just getting started, there's all this gear stuff you need, like have a baby, like celebrate this thing. And allow that the elders to bestow upon you, you know, people that are in different places in their lives, maybe you have got a little bit more disposable income, like bring those folks in, have them, have them pull resources. And so if you're going to, you know, celebrate baby shower, by all means, and don't be shy about asking for a little help when you're just starting out, you know, gender reveal, with exploding things that you know, hurt you. Maybe not. Baby Shower where you play some dumb games. Yeah, people hug you and give you a crib. That's good.
Ours helped us tremendously. And I don't think we didn't have to buy clothes. For two years with either kit, because people are like, Oh, yeah, my daughter's four. Here's all of her newborn stuff. We I mean, we got bags and boxes full of stuff. And some of them for a little bit older, like two to three, that we're just waiting for somebody to be like, Oh, yeah, my granddaughter or my daughter has a, I have a granddaughter who's like two and we're like, oh, yes, somebody to give this stuff away to get rid of this box. All all that stuff? And you get the, like you said the elders who? No, no, that is not the stroller you want. You don't want that stroller. Here's why you want this stroller. Here's why. I mean, dude. DadLabs. You guys, were you guys sold me on lots of things. I still have the one fold up stroller that I want from you guys. And it's still my favorite stroller. Well,
you know, working working at the museum, we see wagons, and there is a whole new generation of wagons that have every gadget you can imagine. And it's, uh, yeah, we may have to take a look at some of these things down the road. So. So definitely, but let's let's move on to an actual listener question.
All right, so this comes from Kyle. And he says, so he wants to know when to spring on things like organic food for your kids. And when not to he's mostly let the mom handle that. But it's partly because he hasn't done the research that he needs to do. And he's curious about what we think. So organic food,
things like that. We are particularly the last year with the whole pandemic. And some people will scoff at this, but kids will eat when they're hungry. And they just got to find that thing that they like, we are struggling to find more than hotdogs for our daughter. They do eat a lot of fruit, which kind of justify let him have the hot dogs because they eat fruit and yogurt and stuff. But things like that. Let the mom handle it. I mean, how important is it to you? You know? If it's not if it's not something that you're he says he hasn't done the research on it that he wants to do? Well? Do you want to do the research on it? If you want to? By all means do it and be like? Yeah, I mean, and then you need to have that conversation? If you find out that, yeah, they don't really need glucose free pancakes, you know, have that conversation. Don't just say no, I'm not buying gluten free pancakes anymore. You just got to communicate that. But if you're not that worried about it, why worry about you know, that's one of those things, food as long as it you know, I'm struggling with the 13 year old, you know, he eats a lot of junk food, he eats a lot of chips at various hours of the entire day and night. But again, he eats a lot of fruit eats a lot of yogurt. So I kind of you know, we were we were eating two meals a day that were made meals in the before times. Now we might eat one meal together each day, or we all eat at the same time not necessarily to get there. But yeah, Kyle, don't worry about it. It's determined how important it is to you. Communicate that important if it's if it's important, communicate that importance to your wife, and and do the research yourself or do it with her. But if it's not that important to you, and she's fine with it doing the research, by all means let her do it.
At some point, I should probably disclose that I worked for a nutritional supplement company. Oh, yeah. So part of my part of the answer that I'm about to give may seem tapered I that reality, I won't I won't make any specific product recommendations. But if you're I would say if you've got a kid and I think this this really kind of is coming off what Nick just said, if you've got a kid that's eating a lot of fruits and vegetables, whether they're organic or not organic, you've already got a win on your hands, that if you've got if you're able to convince a kid to eat a very diet that includes you know, a couple of servings of fruits and vegetables every day. You're already kind of in the in a good territory. The question about whether or not to do organic or non organic. There are some studies out there that that that indicate that the soil in which our our fruits and vegetables are grown is somewhat less productive than it was 20 or 30 years ago. So the foods that we think of as being really nutritious a strawberry, for example, between the way that we've engineered our produce, and the way that we're farming has resulted in a decrease in nutrient density in some of those fruits and vegetables. So if you're, if you're not, my recommendation is if you're not buying organic fruits and vegetables, maybe you want to think about supplementing, there are a lot of really good kids go on the market. Maybe a way to supplement if you're worried if your kid is either not eating a lot of fruits and vegetables, or you're not certain about the nutrient density, if you, you know, it doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule, you can find those foods that where the organic version is not that much more expensive. And then non organic. And maybe you lean into that, instead of buying all of one or the other. I think in general, if you're buying organic, you're likely to get a higher nutrient density, more of the good things that you're looking for from fruits and vegetables are likely to be present in in organic products than in non organic products. But you know what I mean, like Mike said, you know, if the kid you know, if your kid is getting food, that's great, if they're healthy, vegetables, great. If and if you're if you're encouraging them to be adventuresome in food, it's really hard, but it's worth it, keep putting things out there for them to try, and you'll be in great shape.
Now I'm gonna, I'm going to talk to this from two perspectives. One is one is as a restaurant owner, and in a, you know, somewhat sheffy guy. And then the second part is, is as a guy who's involved with farmer kids and stuff. And so the chef side of it is, yeah, I mean, it's all it's all about being creative, and having an interest in a variety of things. And so, it's about, you know, if you go to the farmers market, and you can get those purple carrots, and you can get the yellow carrots and, and it looks cool. Generally, if it looks cool, it's it's good nutritionally, and, and so just having that varied stuff, and, and being creative, because kids, kids can pretty much eat whatever they want, right now, you know, up to a certain age, and then the the choices they make, they can't burn everything off, and they've got to learn how to make good choices, and the choices get made. Now, they may not have much effect right away, but they'll have an effect down the road. And then the other side is from a farm market perspective. You know, it's, it's really about, I've always been an advocate of knowing your farmer, we used to, we used to have a subscription when we lived in Fort Wayne, Indiana, had a subscription to a farm. And we got our meat, we got our eggs, we got our produce, you know, we got a turkey and half a hog and a quarter of a steer and 20 chickens and, and all that green beans, you know, that I can. And I got to know my farmer really, really well. And we still know them. We, we've we haven't lived there and over 10 years now. And we still know our farmer, and I go back to buy that stuff if I could, but it's too far away right now. And I sort of missed that I missed getting to know my farmer, because I'm paying the dream, dude. I mean, that's
the absolute dream,
right? It is. And it's becoming more and more possible. Those farms are, you know, here, I'm in Detroit, or I'm in the Detroit area. And we have urban farms that are right downtown. They're You know, they're taking vacant lots and they're growing food. And they're employing people in the inner city to grow that food. And so you've got, you've got guys who are ex cons, who can't do anything else, and they've got them learning how to how to take care of these plants. And they're going for restaurants, and they're going for consumers. And it's great product. And it's and it's organic, because they can sell it for more. And so we've got, you know, we're supporting a whole ecosystem. That's more than just the environment. It's it's the economy too. And so I really advocate for that as much as possible. So definitely, you know, the better you get to know your food, or at least your farmer, I think the better off Er,
yeah. I mean, it you know, if the pediatrician says, Hey, they look kinda, you know, your pediatrician will know if your kid is healthy. If your kid is having bowel problems. Maybe they're eating some stuff that they shouldn't be or they need some other supplement or something like that. I mean, if the kids are healthy, you know, like it's gonna turn into a hot dog. But I can't. I lived on hot dogs for a really long time. As an adult, you know, this is in the last 10 years. There was a few years I lived on hot dogs. Then one day, I just like, feel bad. And I had hot dogs that day and I was like, I'm gonna swear off hot dog. That's why hot dogs for a year, man. And that was tough for me because I was eating them like almost every day for lunch at work because they were easy. That I mean convenience factor for me was is is a huge deal. I'm so glad to have applesauce in little packages and little pouches. I am destroying the environment for convenience of a good food for my daughter. I mean, it's that's it there is this very crazy back and forth.
Debate actually, those packages probably have less you know plastic in them than then you know it's not maybe it's not quite a glass jar. But they're they're worse forms of packaging then although they're not receiving
glass, anybody pay for
it. I'm just being lazy. I should get the glass jar and scoop it out and put it in a bowl for but I love the fact that she can go get the thing herself. She can now open them by herself.
I love those. I love this. Are you kidding me? My 19 year old I can't keep them in the I buy them for her. She loves them.
Yeah, there you go. It's nice. They're getting to that point where they're both completely self sufficient as far as Oh, you're hungry. Go get you something to eat. You know? Okay, I
think you get her answer. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
So how did how did you guys? How'd you guys survive the storm? Everybody, okay.
We're still in the middle of hours, or just at the end of hours, we've got three or four inches of snow on top of ice. We had a lot of ice last week. It sucks for me because shoulder surgery, I can't go and enjoy it and take the kids sledding, I can't even drive right now. It's sucks. But we haven't lost power. We mean, the kids are all in nti non traditional instruction, you know, wouldn't kill the district to give the kids a school day to let them go out and and play. Not that we can necessarily but we're doing fine. We're good. We've had groceries delivered, we don't normally do that. We've had them delivered a couple of times when you're driving and pick them up. We're good. We're cold, but we're good. Well, yeah,
you guys have heard about Texas. And it's just been crazy. And we've been personally super lucky that the power stayed on. And you know, we've had a few things my wife's office had a water break, and she got flooded out. But we've been incredibly lucky, given the conversations I've been having with friends about what they've been through with three days and small kids and no power. And now we're on a, you know, boil water order in here in Austin, Texas, where we live. And it's been, it's been a really hard after a year of pandemic, to then launch into, you know, this kind of weather crisis, an awful lot, you know, infrastructure collapse. I mean, I feel very tax, I feel, you know, that I don't have as much resilience. And, you know, I've even gotten emotional a couple times, you know, in ways they're just ridiculous, like, I'm upset about, you know, these little things that I ordinarily would not wind up on. So, you know, we're kind of getting through, but I can tell that the resilience, you know, the, isn't this funny the ability to laugh at it, embrace it. I just feel like I don't have that playability and more now, I'm just kind of like, grim like, we're gonna get through this kind of mentality. That's, it's just very different where I was a year ago.
Yeah, I mean, if this only lasted for four hours, that would be funny. But days is, that's credit. Yeah. I'll tell you this. We got I was gonna make a plan to go down and see my mom. My mom's birthday was on Monday. Happy birthday, mom. And birthday. I know she'll listen to this. She doesn't listen to my other podcast, but I know she'll listen to this one. Ben's mom
raised a great man. You did a good job. You win.
Well done.
Well done. She went to a biker store and put on a leather jacket with purple. Purple fringe hanging down from it. I'm not sure if she bought it or not so so instead of going down there because that was when the storm came through the big the big one. I think we got we got about 10 inches of snow out of it. We I took the boys the snow hadn't hit us yet. It was still hitting down in Columbus. So I took them up into Detroit. So we drove through Detroit people are out ice Getting we've got this great ice skating rink in the middle of downtown, where people are at ice skating, and then took them to Belle Isle which is an island in the Detroit River. I live on an on an island in the Detroit River. This one's up at the north end of the river. And it's got, it's got some great stuff. And we went snowshoeing. So, long story short, I bought my my wife some snowshoes because she'd asked for him forever. And we used them a few times, but they've been just been moving with us and we've never really gotten a chance to use them. So I took the two pairs up with us had to buy the boys boots on the way found $25 boots, got them boots, size 11 and then and then took them up. We found that one set of one set of snowshoes was still working, they they crumbled a bit. And so tristin my little one, you know, size 11 you know, almost six foot tall. 11 year old, he took the snowshoes and almost walk to Canada, literally. So we've got photos of him. He went out and took a selfie with him in Windsor, Canada, Windsor, Ontario out there, and it is so much and so we found a new sport for those kids and I'm really happy about it so
snowshoeing, it's coming back.
It is
going to Texas, it's growing in popularity.
That's great. That's right, there's gonna be a run on them. You can't get them from Amazon anymore. Right? This has been asked Dad Labs. Thank you to Clay and Nick, all our families, and everyone who made DadLabs what it is this being our pilot episode, we're working on the format and equipment. But since you liked it, after all, you didn't stop listening. Subscribe in your podcast player and YouTube. And like and follow DadLabs and all the social media its links will be down below. send your questions through the social media for now. But Have a great week and we'll see in the next episode.
