Welcome to the AR show right dive deep into augmented reality. with a focus on the technology and uses of smart glasses and the people behind them. I'm your host Jason McDowall. Today's conversation is with Alex Hertel. Alex is the former co founder and CEO of Xperiel, and currently an inventor at Intuit, where he is a director in their futures group. Alex completed his PhD in computer science at the University of Toronto, and is an expert in no-code languages, as well as the use of immersive technologies to make the physical world digitally interactive. After his PhD program, he co founded Walleto, which was acquired by Google and became Google Wallet. After several years at Google, he left to become the co founder and CEO of Xperiel, where he helped to create a user friendly programming language called Pebbles, with a goal of democratizing AR and IoT programming in order to connect the internet to the physical world. In this conversation, Alex explains how he applies his research to a concept he calls the world computer, and how it relates to competing paradigms of the past.