And just to kind of get back into that world a little bit, and, yeah, banging my head against saw design software, trying to trying to get it all presentable. Christian knows what I'm talking about here.
I know from a few years ago. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's been 10 years, which is partly why I'm banging my head against the software, right? But, yeah, I'm using propagate over yield tool.
Oh,
which is super cool. But when I here, I'll show you, just as while we're waiting for people, I'll show you. I'll show you. This is It's interesting for people who are geeky about regenerative agriculture. So I've got this super cool design right with and I'm trying to make this steep slope right here, planted on key line, right and there's this nifty tool within this headland. I can create a new section and I can create a key line, then I can tell it broadly what the key line should look like. And, oh,
wow, that's cool,
yeah. But then it does this weird. So, like you can see I got the plans, it does this weird, like something about the algorithm does this weird, recursive sends it in this weird. If it just didn't do that, it would be fine. This would be fine for now. It's like, okay, good. That would be about, right? Yeah, it's rat. But I've just been banging my head against that because I've got a bunch of key lines that I got to put in, and I can't, you know, something to do with matching the field size to the key line algorithm. But I just can't quite i I know that probably Jeremy, if he was using this, would just intuitively, like, get the field just right so that it doesn't do this. So anyway, it's fun, yeah. Side note, like, I feel like propagate and this over yield, your yield tool, are good candidates for potentially putting this software into REGEN commons, so that agroforestry, because they tried to build a SaaS business out of this. But there's actually just not that many people who want to subscribe to a farm design tool, right, right? It's just a small subset of humans who are like, going to go around and help people design agroforestry farms, right? You're not build like a million subscriber user base, right? You're going to, you're going to have, like, a couple 1000 people, maybe, right? So it's just not a great business model for software because it doesn't scale, but it's super useful, and like this, combined with Sylvie trees combined with REGEN network, you know, you can imagine a really powerful set of tools that just make it easy for people to start doing regenerative agroforestry, to do their business planning, as Max was saying, like back in the day, to qualify for maybe a small business loan. That gets them going to get right. Like you could see the stack, just like working really well, so that people just have all the tools, or they can just go out there and get it done,
right? You
have the economic incentives designed in a more holistic and complex way than just like a single business trying to monetize a subscription to like agroforestry consultants, right again, of which there's like, maybe 10,000 in the whole world. So
now, just for
now, let's see, yeah, right, well, but we don't necessarily want millions of agroforestry consultants. We want millions of agroforestry practitioners that are like managing farms. It just is hard. So, so there is a it is important role in the world, but that's not necessarily the role we want to scale. Right?
Anyway, yeah, I wonder if Darren's books are in PDF form, and then you know, they we could put them into all
in the all in the lnl, all in there. Yeah, I'll send you a link. No, they haven't finished the last couple of chapters, though. Okay.
Greg, looking at the software, I think that's very interesting. Do you think it will be useful for garden designer.
There's other stuff that's a little bit more for garden they've really like. The tool is really for broad, you know, pretty broad acre agroforestry. Like here, I'll give you guys a little while we're on this. This is just kind of fun. Fun little so you can go into the economics, which is super cool, and you can see the different crops, and you've got, like, spacing, unit cost, mortality, yields. You can program in all this stuff, right? Capital inputs labor. So you basically can make a full business plan according to your planting plan, and you can keep it updated. And it's just nice. It's just like, it's kind of like a farm design kit, business model kit. I love it. I mean, this is what I sort of used to do back in the day, for Terra Genesis, like, we would do this for farms, and, like, maintaining the spreadsheets and, you know, the layers and the maps and all that stuff is actually, it's just like, it's a lot of cognitive overload, it's a lot of work, and having it in a piece of software so that you can just show up and, like, ask a set of questions, get it all there and, like, hand it over to the client, so that they just have a tool that they can use. Is really awesome. Just have to say, I'm pretty, pretty, like, minus this annoying key line thing, which is driving me Right, right.
Could you just draw the lines in? I wonder if you could. I wonder if you could do what you just did, but then overlay it with lines that are drawn in and then remove the key line part out.
I can't a specific line. I can't delete specific lines. Or if I can, my attempts have failed up until now, which could be user error. But like, I can't just pull those lines out and delete them, for some reason.
But I mean, like, put what would you just showed me for the key line part in there, and then draw over all of those key lines, you know, all 25 of them, or something, and then that would be a new layer, and then remove the key line layer.
The problem is the layers. Well, we don't need to get into this. But the problem is, is that the layers have the planting information in it, so you can't just draw and then I'd be having to hand offset the like three meter thing. It's just, it's a recursive nightmare, basically, of trying
to, I see Gotcha.
Well, we have Mark joining and Trinh, so I guess we can slowly start. Please suggest the topics for the agenda.
Oh, well, there's proposition 52 that is up right now, but I could literally summarize everything I had to say about it in 3030, seconds. So I could say that now or wait until we get to it in the agenda.
Any other topics
I can do an update on Regent Commons. I I think now that the burn function is live, we should probably do a review of what actions we would like to have be burning, just do a review like we had thought and done some design work. The way it's designed is like any action could be designed to trigger a burn. So that also means, you know, if people want to do cool nfts That burn REGEN or like whatever, you can basically create any arbitrary function with a burn Max I know you had put together that nice proposal about moving forward with cap, capped dynamic supply. I don't forget what what Zargon was calling it, but Max supply with dynamic mint burn function might be nice to just get an update on that. I don't know if you presented that to the larger group or not.
I yeah, I mean, I guess there's liquidity, maybe there's liquidity updates. There's also just, like, significant upgrades in Dow Dao functionality. And so if the token economics working group would like to, sort of like escalate its ability to manage specific parameters as a decentralized group. We could start exploring and designing that, because daodao has user interfaces and can interact with governance parameters. And so we could do parameter upgrade and auth Z and grant permissions, and we could have, you know, a group overseeing those like mint burn parameters, for instance. So we could start iterating on that we have the technical capability now to start iterating on more complex managed token economics, if we want to. So it's probably useful to, kind of, like, get that out on the record and start to, you know, just like, block and tackle around some of those specific issues. So those are, that's what's on my mind. Okay,
just, just kind of a an announcement is the community call on Thursday, I just been seeing great David pulling a bunch of people into that call. So I think it should be a pretty good community call. We should encourage everyone to be there. Okay, think Gaia AI is going to be there, sharing a little bit and, yeah.
Okay, anything else, hey? Kawa, I also added a few topics. One of them is really quick, just to consult on my friends, like a credit issuance. And in the end, I would also ask Mark has done this survey on the strategies, maybe we can check up what's happening there. And also, one not urgent, but interesting discussion from the last time was REGEN as an echocurrency. What does it mean? How it works? So I'll put the list of questions here in the chat. So I propose, then start with Christian,
sure. So there is proposal 52 is up for a vote right now, and it is just once again, executing what we already passed with proposal 49 so it's just implementing the parameter change, and we already did this once with proposal 51 but I'll read what Marie said here. Marie, who is our one of our senior devs at REGEN Network Development. She said, although the previous proposal passed and executed successfully, it looks like we need to submit a new proposal as part of the recent REGEN ledger upgrade. The the params module was depreciated. The parameter change we voted on was applied via that module, but it turns out that it no longer affects the actual runtime behavior. I thought the change would propagate automatically to the slash distribution where community tax is now stored, but it doesn't. So we'll need to submit a new proposal that updates the parameter directly to the distribution module instead. And so 52 is that. So now we're once we have that, then the 15% increase in emissions going to the community fund will be implemented and then and will be put aside for the liquidity. Dow, so please go and vote. I encourage you to vote yes, since, as a community, we already kind of approved this concept, now we're just approving the technical change.
Did you get any I mean, you probably, maybe I can ask Marie this, but did you get any color on the deprecation of the param module. And because, like, I think that what I've been thinking about other I think my architectural understanding probably seems to be deprecated because the param module like that, have it having that module that you can control any parameter that's adjustable via governance, but it sounds like that's been deprecated, and those all just exist in their separate functionalities, basically. So
Right? That's what it sounds like I only know about this specific one, but yeah, rather than going through the params module, we have to go directly through the distribution module. Okay, so and then all of this is going to change with fifth, with five three, apparently, wherein we could direct the emissions directly to the liquidity Dow wallet at that point, rather than going through the the community Wallet. So, yeah, but for now, this is our this is the route that we've decided is best.
Okay, anything else on this?
I think that's it. It's, I'm excited about it the for the emissions to actually start going there. Well, you know, then liquidity, then we'll have to make proposals weekly, or bi weekly, or something that where we can actually withdraw the funds from the community fund and send them to liquidity Dow fund. So that'll be happening on a regular cadence, but then we will, you know, be in action being able to provide incentives and provide liquidity, etc, for on behalf of liquidity. Dow
Okay, so then two small questions from my side. Well, first is rather an update. We used to have a conflict with REGEN Commons call like at this time we were discussing how to solve this. From their side, they just moved their meeting to Thursday. It slightly overlaps with the community call just within like, 50 minutes, or some 15 minutes, so not very critical. So that's why I didn't change the timing for these calls. I still can do that, if you like. Just didn't want to do brush decisions
wait. So the new call time overlaps with the REGEN network community call, well,
this particular week, REGEN Commons is overlapping 15 minutes with REGEN community Call, okay, okay, maybe just the best spots. Yeah, and and if we've done with this, then the just let me know if any requests for changes will be there. But also, one of my friends in Ukraine, Echo village, he recently won a grant to develop their echo credit and I've connected them with the echo credit lab team. But it seems like there is, I don't know, maybe not enough capacity to develop many echo credits at once. But he also like taking the ground. He committed to develop something. So I was looking for your advice. You know how to resolve this, what's, what's, what are the options I can offer him to support his echo credit,
he's working on developing a methodology or a method, I guess, which by that, by that, I mean, you know, the the whole framework by which you're defining how you which data you collect, and how you define ecological impact or carbon sequestration, or whatever it is that he's trying to record, is that, is that what he's doing or, or is, or is it more the work on the ground that he's doing?
Yeah, well, they have like association of landowners, and so the scope of their projects is different. You know, some of those are biochar, some of them is like carbon and so on. I guess they can utilize some of the existing methodologies, but it's not clear for me, you know how, as I haven't gone through this process and yeah, just don't know what
to tell him, right, right? Yeah, for my understanding, you know each of those, like you mentioned, biochar, and then they might be doing some regenerative agriculture. Maybe there's some forestry. You know, each of those would be a different method that would and there are existing methods that that can be used to measure those things. But each of them would be their, their own distinct one. And so then each of the credits would be a, a you uh, a a distinct vintage from the other credits. However, there, you know, or they could bundle them all into one, you know, bio regional carbon credit. But still, they would need to be verified via the the individual credits or individual methods themselves. So, yeah, unfortunately, it would be really nice to have someone hold their hand through the process, you know, someone like Becca or Tika or something, but our team is pretty stretched at the moment. I mean, I can't, I can't really speak to that. I don't really know what their schedules are looking like.
We should, should definitely connect with Becca and get let her give advice about what's happening. Generally, you know, R and D needs to charge for providing services to help people develop new eco credits. Um, but she can have an initial call and walk through the different things. And there are a lot of resources out there for people to, sort of like self serve and and get through things and without large language models and all those open resources. You know, it's increasingly, I think, easy, and we are going to do our best. That's one of the things we're going to be working on with. Guy AI, is like automating advice to people who are developing credits. So it's an interesting moment here where we're trying to get that all together. But you should definitely talk to Becca,
yeah, I think we're in contact. And what, from what I see, it probably won't make sense for them to create a new methodology. Maybe they should try to adopt existing methodologies. But how exactly they would come to the marketplace? Who would be doing this decision?
I'm sorry I don't follow the question, really?
So imagine they take biochar methodology, and then they collect data, and then they want to, you know, like, put their credits to the sale. They even mentioned that they have own fund that can start buying it slowly, or something, you know, but how exactly would they appear on the REGEN marketplace?
Well, if they, if they choose a method that's in the registry system, and they go through a process to get those credits issued, they will just appear in REGEN marketplace if they sort of self service and use a method that's not in the methodology library, then there's a process to get it like visible in the marketplace. But if you're following one of the approved upon methods and you're going through all those steps, it will just populate into the marketplace.
Nice. I saw Cau ahead of hand. But do you still want to say something?
Yeah, just to contribute on this, this conversation, I'm still, I'm also exploring how to issue the credits for for group producer community. And I think something that came to my mind is separate, like which areas, which properties are working on a new methodology, and which one like can already be aggregated to be on an existing methodology, like biochar. I think having this difference, differentiation between the ones, the type of credits of each land they would want to issue, I think this would make easier for him, and just an idea of the next steps for him may be like understanding the context of each one of the lines he's representing.
Okay, nice. Thank you. It will help. I speak with him tomorrow, but now I think we can move on to Gregory updates on REGEN Commons and few more questions.
Cool, yeah, well, so REGEN Commons for those. I mean, I think everybody in this call is probably aware, but it's starting to move now, which is exciting. I think I'm not facilitating it, so I'm sort of a participant, just like anybody else at this stage, but my understanding from I'll share the notion, there's a really nice notion that the facilitating team put together so people can keep track of what's going on there. And as Max mentioned, there's a new call time, but there's a Google on here. You can go to the Google group, make sure to get invited to the into the calendar. There's a forum. There's all of the different pieces. But you know, essentially, we're sort of like working through the process to define a set of questions related to, of course, in this case, the seed kernel of the commons. In order to have a commons, you need to have a shared resource that you're managing. And this is about defining the rules of management of that shared resource. In this case, it is the REGEN brand to sort of like have a broader community, co owning and CO governing that REGEN brand in a cooperative way, as I've been saying, to sort of reduce the attention over grazing that's taking place at the moment, so that we can kind of coordinate in a tighter way so it's moving it seems like it's good vibes. And, you know, I think that's just the kernel. I think the vision here is something in which region network, region coordination, green pill, refi, Dao, we find a larger whole that we're all part of, something like the REGEN nation or REGEN coordination region, sort of like really creating a cooperative global endeavor of planetary regeneration with local nodes and just like order and organizing what needs to be done in order to achieve that. And, you know, I think there's a lot of excitement. So yeah, To be continued, I'll keep trying to give reports back this direction. My hope is that the REGEN token will play a pivotal role in REGEN commons, but that's yet to be determined, and there's like going to be a process to sort of understand, if that makes sense.
Nice. Thank you. And I also saw that Luisa Fosco joined us. I think it's first time, Luisa, if you're capable to introduce yourself briefly and your interest, that would be nice. Hello,
Max, thank you. Thanks so much for the invite, and koi for inviting me today. It's my first time, so I'm excited to learn what you've been working on. I'm currently a steward for Greenpeace Brazil, working together with Cau on REGEN Rio and audio projects we are developing here. And I'm also a designer and co founder of fabulosa Lab, which is a Fab Lab part of the Fab Lab network here in Rio de Janeiro, and excited to be here. Thank you for the warm welcome.
Thanks so much. I guess we can continue with Gregory's question on learning functionality. Where do we want to use it?
Yeah, well, just to you know, really, I was just commenting that we now have smart contract like one of the most advanced governance smart contract frameworks live on region ledger, Dao, Dao. And so I think there's been a robust discussion over that. I mean, I guess this working group has been working for more than a year now, but there's been a reoccurring discussion around the role of this working group to sort of discuss token economics, policy, defi strategy, liquidity, you know, these different Things that we discuss here, versus us playing some versus this group, either catalyzing or becoming some sort of decentralized kind of like monetary policy management group that actually is able to monitor and manage things like the mint burn ratio and inflation token, block rewards, et cetera. And I know the liquidity Dao and Christian you might talk about this, I think is moving in a direction to probably embrace daodao And to be sort of like actively managing liquidity for community benefit, and sort of like starting to mature and experiment with those and, you know, I guess I'm just like raising the question there, seems like there should be a discussion about if and when the token economics working group would like to mature into sort of an on chain Dao that is managing specific token economics parameters. And there may be reasons against that, right that we want the whole community to chime in on any changes. There may be reasons for it, which is that it gives us a, you know, we can create a CAD, CAD simulation of our token economics. We can have more community input into the larger strategy, and then we can have a group that's able to manage against that strategy with agility. So that might be a strong case for that taking place and sort of being able to evolve more rapidly our approach to token economics. So I mean, that's the broad strokes of the conversation. I'll leave it at that. See if there's questions, comments or instincts about this, probably this needs to mature into a forum post and gets, needs to get pretty concrete about the specific parameters we could be governing and the pros and cons of, sort of like having a group that is in charge and accountable for governing those parameters, because it is, you know, there's Maybe strong reasons on both sides of that argument. Yeah,
