Hello. Hey, good morning. Good night. Good evening, Rev. Hey Laura, Hey, Charlotte. Hi, everyone. Good morning. Just getting situated with the mirror board I'm gonna drop that link in the chat.
We might be a smaller group today we're focusing on region foundation and rev is here, and I reached out to the highest and unfortunately he cannot be here today was already scheduled for something else. So, rev is really going to be on the spot today sharing about what region foundation is up to. But yeah, I'll give it another couple minutes for folks to trickle in, in case there are others I'm not sure if Doron is planning to be here this morning. I also reached out to Gregory but that might be a bit of a long shot. Morning. Good morning. How's it going on the farm. It's good. Did you milk any cows yet today. No, not today. Not every day,
not an everyday thing for me I fill in. Yeah, yeah, that's the big commitment. Yeah. It's just when, like the whole team left, and then someone got sick. And so then I filled it. Which is great, great. Yeah, great. Everybody needs their animal time.
Exactly. I think I really want to come visit you guys,
please do. Please do. We have a whole campground we have cabins, we have two empty rooms in the house I live in, so come on. Oh my GOSH, thread that's a good time. Yeah, okay, noted noted, anytime, and then it's beautiful here in the winter. Oh,
I'm intimidated by this is a Maine winter we're talking about.
Yeah, but it's not as bad as you'd imagine, and plus we're coastal and we're Southern Maine. So it's not that cold, and then when it snows, it becomes a magical Fairyland here. Oh it does sound really magical. Yeah,
we could hook you up with some cold weather gear to.
Thank you. This is very kind, very, very kind. And of course we want to go visit rev two.
Well yeah, I think yeah I think let's get started. Oh great, and we have a Rebecca as well. Hey Becca. Sorry everybody had a kid issue real quick. Oh, no worries so much understood. Yeah, great. Okay, well I think this is a great course. In that case. So yeah, we're here today to talk about return foundation and do a deep dive, and I'm really happy that we have Revati here as well as Becca, who, and both of them are doing so much in their role to represent land stewards. And yeah, help them in various ways, and this session is all about really understanding the region foundation mandate and mission and vision around involving communities of stakeholders as staking doubts in the governance of reset network and helping with decision making around the network, as well as the responsibility of holding an amount of tokens staking them and having the resource of staking rewards that they can then use to improve their communities. So that's just my awkward summary of what I think region foundation is trying to do, but now here, we'll hear from rev, a lot in this call, about what you're actually up to. And that let me go ahead and share the Miro, I'll just put it again in the chat. For the more recent arrivals. But our thinking today is that. Let's see. Can you all see my tab here. Yeah, okay. Miro is just being a little slow for me and not letting me move around. I'm so sorry I'm zoomed in, but our goal for today is understanding the specifics of region foundation and mandate endowment process and how a community platform such as Hylo can support what's happening and what ways we might want to shape it to support what's happening. So our first
goal. Yeah, I really can't move around, there we go to school.
Do you want to happen now. No, no,
I was going to tell you how to switch it to the hand. Oh thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah, our first session will be just hearing a hearing from Rob about these things, learning as much as we can about the download process, as it's being currently envisioned and talk about the what activities will a community staking doubt be up to what are their responsibilities roles and needs, then we'd like to get into the landscape of region foundation. So, as far as the initial network architecture might be envision like Who are some of these different groups, how do they relate to each other. What are the value flows between groups involved in this, in this ecosystem. So just starting to understand what the structure of the community is. And then we'll just have some synthesis and takeaways, especially to learn about what will success look like for a region Foundation, how will you all know that you are fulfilling your mission, so that we can also be measuring ourselves against that, that metric. So that's really, that's really what it is we don't have very complicated artboards prepared today it's really just some blank canvases, where we hope to take notes on what is being shared and start to make sense of the information for our own for our own purposes. So I think we should get started with this first conversation. So again, this conversation is about, just hearing from rev about mission and goals. The latest thinking on the process to allocate tokens to community staking vows, and the roles, responsibilities and needs of the douse rev if you'd like to share a bit.
And, you know, treasure, and, and, I mean I'm certainly talk to all of these images. I'm just gonna give a disclaimer that this will be a lot of talking on my end, and as I do it, I'll try to drop in a few, a few diagrams that we have for the future and they're great.
Yeah and, and no pressure I understand that this might not all be fully formed and that's totally fine, and also if it's a monologue from you that's wonderful that's, yeah we were good, like this can be a conversation. If anyone has questions, I hope it's okay if we jump in, but, but yeah we're just here to receive the transmission.
That's awesome. Um, so I'm gonna drop in a couple of couple of diagrams here. And the reason I'm doing it in this particular way, is like, like you mentioned Claire a lot of this is still sort of, we, it's, it's being refined as we go on, just, we're very excited just yesterday I think inside we publicly sort of announced our first prototype job which is with common stack. And, and so the stage we are at right now is to really worked with the initial prototype to flesh out some of these processes and OpenTEAM happens to be one of those we haven't fully announced that yet and we have a, we need to do a more concerted sort of communications campaign and whatnot, possibly. And I think this, what we're doing right now, this session is part of figuring out where, what the plan of the endowment is at least as far as OpenTEAM goes and how that works out, So. Oh right, I lose myself. Yeah.
Looks like you're off to the left and the canvas, we're on is to your right.
Okay, thanks. Um, I think just, just to take a step back, I'm very region foundation is in the ecosystem is. I just added this this pic which is literally a screenshot from the Regen Network website right. Is this is this is the region token structure, at least one agenda, which is when the network was formed. So, this, this yellow, and if you look at the bar chart, where I'm at right now in the board. Yep, the yellow bar here, which is a 35 million tokens is what the endowment program inside. I'm asking us, starting with this for a very specific reason, because it has two elements to it generally when we talk about the endowment program we look at just the, the darker yellow region which is the 30 million tokens that the foundation gives away to multiple stakeholders and I posted the other image there where we imagine what the stakeholders will be, but there's also the smaller sort of bar at the bottom, which is the foundation's own 5 million tokens, right. Yeah. The foundation is a 501 C three nonprofit, and in terms of where it wants to be in the world, and inreach network specifically. I think its mandate is to bring the underrepresented on to the table in the network, and let them have a voice. And this distribution kind of reflects that right, and, and that voice needs to be part of the whole 35% So the 5 million there is on behalf of the Foundation what the foundation itself can vote, and the foundation is represented by what's called the region Consortium, which is the official membership of the nonprofit. If you look at our website we have a list of about seven members right now, r&d is also a member of the consortium. And there are a few others right there, they're sort of really paying kind of heterogeneous for lack of a better word. And part of what we're doing right now is in the process of understanding, like a good structure where we bring both the Consortium, and the endowment structure together and we have a working group, sort of internally for that. And, and the reason is that what we envision is this being part of a bigger network, which includes and tries to encompass the whole lecture and tries to be as inclusive as possible. Right, the region, Ledger itself. So now if we go on to. On to the the tentative structure. The other image that I dropped in here. This is, this is our view of what we want happening in that we see. We see the ledger as being able to bring multiple of these stakeholders together to create regenerative projects that are really relevant to where they're at. And, and that's why you have this special really standing out purple kind of circle in there saying it's a place based community. All right. Our initial endowment structure is focusing on place based communities. And then for them to nominate sort of fellows and stewards and identifying other kinds of initial tools and processes and communities who are relevant to these place based communities which are sort of like the virtual communities which include maybe rights of nature infrastructure or governance tools infrastructure and so on and so forth, ways that they can create ecosystem services together. That's a big ecosystem service aspects, all of all of these could be possibilities, and some of whom we have in the pipeline. Awesome. Break here for questions.
Yeah, this is wonderful, thank you and I'm just so grateful for everything you're sharing and for coming to the table with diagrams. Yeah, really, really helpful that, that we have these images to understand yeah the scope of the token distribution and then how you're imagining the structure of the landscape here it's perfect, perfect. Yeah, so there's so much to dive into I, I have a clarifying question to start off, And that is around the place based communities, that's you know something that we're very much into and planning for with Hylo. So this is super great and aligned. And I heard a little bit of a process, I think around how you're approaching that. And it sounded like your, your process might be to go to an individual or an organization that is working in a specific place, or representing a place, and then asking them about their network and using those stewards or leaders to help build out the identity of what that what that place means in the context of a potential staking Dow. So I'd love to hear from you if I'm hearing that right. And you said you have a couple in the pipeline, I'd love to hear a little bit more about an example of how that's going with the, with a place.
Yeah, I think that's great. And that hits upon the meat of the discussion so as we look at please these communities where we're right now thinking of it in two ways. One is OpenTEAM and everything else. Because OpenTEAM I think is already a network and I see Laura's question here of farming communities and hubs and farming, and usually when we talk of hubs, they tend to be very local and bring farmers in that region and so on, just the way the US culture goes, it's right now sort of individualistic so these farming hubs do not usually map to farming cooperatives, for instance, but outside of the US, they usually do. Right. And, and, and that's the other part so outside of the US V's. We want to bring in sort of agricultural cooperatives and collectives, as organizations, and then look at the next level of bringing in individual farmers and whatnot, and having an open space for that so they can also join in with lesser effort, but we are looking at the ecosystem stewarded by the Foundation through endowment and the consortium, as sort of like a polycentric governance man, I can say these things to you guys because you're on this call, I wouldn't be able to say all that with a lot of other people and that they know that they mean, they understand what I mean. So so so but the initial level of being part of the community, the initial buyer is very low, but at a certain point, there is a certain barrier to be part of governance, and in some ways to be eligible for the resources. That's part of endowment, or the foundation's own sort of grand structure, right. Yeah. And, and we want to sort of try and prototype this with, with OpenTEAM. It's still very much sort of under the talks and it's ongoing, but something that I think might really suit this is just a general socio kradic structure where you have, it's slightly more loose and where you can also have circles for for specific affinity groups in a region and so on. For instance, and it also gives you the flexibility to have an entire existing organization being represented sort of by a big circle where you have a delegate and a leader from that circle, I know I'm just using jargon in the governance area, way too much. And the fact that you guys are on the call, the chairman collector folks but others I mean, feel free to stop me and just ask me questions or go a little bit deeper, if I'm being too jargony here. Okay. In that case, maybe go back to this and look at, look at the goals and inquiries here. Thank you. All right. This is so great. Yeah, so what behaviors and activities, will the Dallas be participating in, how will these groups be on boarded. What tools are needed for this groups to perform the mandate,
are all big questions, I'd love to just start with the first one and see where we get to which is just like, What is the community seeking doubt do
we great communities taking job is one of these stakeholders, usually one or more that we have listed here, right, and we see them as somebody who don't already have a voice in the region, Ledger ecosystem, but who needs to play a role to steward the ecosystem towards positive ecological impact what. So, what are, and it comes with rights and responsibilities rights include having access to staking rewards, and which is from locked and staked tokens which means each community's taking down, get what we're thinking of right now gets a seed allocation of tokens, and they're permanently locked in state, which means they, you can't transfer them to somebody else you can't sell them, but which time they do accrue staking rewards which is like interest on a loan so those additional tokens, you can for instance so you can do whatever else, and, and that's monetizable. And it's sort of up to each Tao, on how they, Let's call them communities for is sort of an endowment community. It's up to each community on how they choose, how and what they choose to do with the staking reward. But one of the criteria that we are trying to look at our communities which happened to be more cooperative, or comments spaced and so on, but some of the governance structure is already there for folks to be more distributed decentralized whatever else we want to call it. So that's the rights, responsibilities. Number one, they, it comes to the weight of participating in the region ledger governance. It also comes with the weight of being accountable to positive ecological impact. And both of these are honestly, things that, that, that is the biggest question now for us on how we will structure, the program so these are built into the, the system and the incentive. It's the mandate is to have the underrepresented have a voice, right, and just the way the world works, what usually happens is people who are underrepresented are used to being under represented, they don't. They have a hard time speaking up, because they feel they that their opinions are not heard. And at the same time there's usually a level of present resentment from, You know, past and maybe generational kind of behaviors of them not being heard and we especially see this with indigenous communities which is our first pilot sort of place based community that we're looking at in Ecuador. But, but it's, it's almost like a question of feasibility right now to see if we can indeed make this happen with them, because there's a big gap, sort of technologically culturally, everything else. So, so we've boiled these down to these two challenges that the community really needs on top of the seat tokens and incentive to be involved in, in the governance of the ledger, the decision making in that. So, for communities that are less technology that they would have, they would nominate Digital's toward which the foundation can sort of have a fellowship program or chain in some way to be able to use the tools, but essentially, on to the entire community becomes more legit they are a representative or a facilitator for the community, and they are part of what would normally be proposals and decision making on the lecture, which right now essentially happens on the region network forum. And that's part of probably, what, what is going to be changed.
In the future, this, the second part of responsibility, like I said is accountability towards the planet, which is honestly probably part of accountability for Region ledger itself. And there we envision sort of not just having. Well, an easy way to go about it, we'll see is just metrics on activities that the endowment communities go to find sort of working towards, and these are metrics of climate impact, but we want to go a little bit beyond, which is also challenging, but it wouldn't be worth it to at least not try to have. What would end comments was be sort of like the shared shared vision and values but boiling down to metrics, and in this case, that would be sort of like an ethical and moral mandate for the lecture. There have been other open source communities that have attempted them and there are different levels of success, that there are different levels for each of these metrics. So often there's usually a quantitative part and the qualitative part, including for instance diversity, equity, how, how inclusive as a community, how well distributed is it, These kinds of things.
Yeah, that's amazing. Do you want to do you want to take a breath and we can see if there's any questions from the group is pleased. Sorry for the one a lot. No no no, it's great. It's hard to keep up with note taking on all this because it's just also valuable. Does anyone else have questions I have about a million so I'm happy to share but I want to make sure that others have space as well.
I have a question, which I should know the answer to, because we are connected, but I don't. How is the work like this idea of having like an ambassador like someone named as like digital steward. How is that landing with these communities, if they've been introduced to the idea, like do you envision having like needing to have like intensive community work take place to build trust, would that be some line like within the community. Because I definitely echo that big gap that we've experienced and we're not even working with indigenous communities so I'm very curious.
Thank you, do it directly Rebecca that's how you get by right. Do you appear Yeah. Okay, awesome. Thanks Vega, that's a, that's a great question. It's actually my, the focus area for my personal research interest, believe it or not.
so the answer. As you can imagine, depends on the community. In, the indigenous communities. They usually already have like a representative or something like council of elders and so on who would be. This is, we were just talking earlier today with with John like this is the role of what would be a village leader, but really where the gap and the challenge lies here is that, who wouldn't normally be this traditional person that everybody wants to follow the Pied Piper of the community, so to speak. It's usually not not the person who sits and dabbles with crypto trading and wants to plug in the hardware wallet, and enjoys using, using the floppy disk kind of ledger to just do transactions, right. So, or, then they might actually enjoy going to a region network forum and just talking their heart out, may or may not right but so so so that's, that's really the gap there, right. And. And our approach has been to have a try to identify a person who has the mandate from the village leader, but is already has some level of digital literacy or wants to be, and is eager to do that. So we can train them, and then I, and they are trusted enough in the community that they can work along with the village leaders or others in the community. And how is that working is. So for the pilot indigenous community, and this is this is Patrick he runs the Akita card validator his wife he is a vice president of the archwire tribal nation, his brother in law is the president and. And it's not been super easy, right, because even though he said Patrick is the intermediary here, healing on her brother are sort of like the leaders, and Patrick clearly has the mandate from both of them, but even so, there is a thing, right, where it's for, it's falling apart right now is, is the link between Patrick, and the rest of the folks, by being able to bring them on board to, for instance, participate in the network discussion, discussion strategy, or so on. This there's a lot of cultural gap and everything else that exists. And we also need to prove kind of the proposition of it like that, hey, if, if you, if instead of Patrick sitting and operating the tokens if you can do it yourself, and you can vote with your tokens, then each person can have an individual say and talk about these other projects that they want happening in the community and that might be the return is is one aspect that's yet to be proved. It's sort of a hypothesis on our end, but it's not something that, that I think we've effectively communicated or, or it's not a shared vision. The second part of the shared vision, which is really missing and that's why I put that image up there is just bringing the multiple stakeholders together for common regenerative projects, farming communities and indigenous communities have a lot of pride, and they should. It's, it's rightfully so. And at the same time for something that's beneficial climate impact, they need other stakeholders, if the community in Ecuador, they identify with the river that flows through the community, but for them to really be able to steward it they probably needs to scientists who, who might know what is the water quality, how to clean it up. And, you know, developers who can work with maybe water sensors and sensors on the ground and
create an Equal Credit Clause with the water quality data that's coming out of it and whatever else is needed, which would mean for useful parameters. These kinds of things right. But that's not the natural way that they would go about the collaboration so you need to actively incentivize cross stakeholder collaboration. So that's the second gap, you know, did I answer your question Mecca.
You did. We should talk because it's just like it across the board, you know these huge gaps that we see and we all have a heart for those who need this the most. And we know that that's going to take a lot of effort and it's the heart effort which means like having difficult conversations and being humble and all those things so it's it's interesting to hear and I definitely appreciate your answer and your and your efforts.
Perfect. If I can, I'm looking at Clear dude I know it hosts the benevolent timekeeper in the call. Can I refine that a little bit more, or is it tempting one. Yeah,
no, no, this is this is all wonderful, a lot of what we're talking about is also the inquiries of the second section so it's totally fine, we're just kind of like leading into it. I, I would love it if you could tell me again or type the names of the other players that you mentioned in the pilot community in Ecuador, because all I the only one that I heard that I know how to spell is Patrick, but I also want to represent you said his partner, and the name of the tribe and I want to make sure that yeah exactly if you can just write that down, that'd be wonderful. Just starting starting to map this out, and I'll just while you're doing that, I'll just share the increase for this, this landscape mapping exercise. Here we're just hoping to get more into a concrete or a specific example, about what, you know what groups have already been identified for communities, how's that going, who are the stewards of those groups so we're like getting into these questions already, as well as like what is the interaction between the groups. So it's everything we're already talking about so let's yeah let's just go deeper, and we're going to keep trying to just map and take notes.
I also want to just sincerely say thanks for this because I know these conversations can happen all over the place, and I'm just like rolling this piece of technology, really appreciate it. So, before diving deeper into the questions. Can I take a step back, sort of, on the bigger perspective and sort of see what we might want from this exercise right. Yes. So, so as you can see the foundation's mind is sort of big and broad and, and, and nebulous, for good or for worse, right, and we're in the way of finding our paths through it. And at the same time I also think it's what's there but open open team for instance is a little bit much more concrete than a lot of the other communities at the foundation is working with board, both in terms of the needs, as well as a sort of culturally and such. So, and, as, as we look at this exercise sort of how we apply the learnings are of course, curious, a pilot community and these are, these are things that Foundation wants to do with them. But, but I would like to look at it as more than, for instance discovery into features, we might want to go into Hylo for how these communities might use them, and more. As cities, might be the vision, we can use for, say, OpenTEAM, as a pilot prototype job using Hylo, and these are the patterns and process innovation that can apply across other communities to, because I think that is more, more short term, and more concrete, as some of the other pieces kind of emerge. Wonderful. And here's where I would, I mean, Laura dawn. All the CCD chip in. So, let me, let me go into the inquiries and search a little bit more and
my thoughts here.
Yeah, I love, I love the idea of just focusing on OpenTEAM That's the, the humans who are in the room. So using that as a specific example to answer these questions would be good. Yeah.
And, and, and they are sort of the pilot prototype Tao, right, and we look at OpenTEAM itself being a conglomeration of bioregions in the form of hubs. So, sort of like a good, a good use case, I think. Alright, so, projected network architecture and identifying the flows between these entities.
So, I don't know how much of these we've talked about already, but what, what we want to definitely try with OpenTEAM specifically, and then. Are these some are all effective maybe replicable across the endowment program and for other communities as well, is the fact that you have these place based hubs, or communities already, and they have an understanding of the needs of that of their stakeholders that they can represent identified so I think, I think that's that sort of step one place based communities. Step two leaders are stewards or whoever that they will nominate. And step three, whatever is required to sort of bridge the, the current digital sort of scale or literacy, with, with the representative right, or, or fellow however you want to call them. And step by step. So step four would be, I think we're going a little bit into the collective governance piece which may be reserved for next week here but is really identifying projects that would work across these different places, so. So I think that's the workflow that's that's really really interesting here which would be the class stakeholder collaboration workflow. So, somebody needs to be proposing a project. And it could be a community member, it could even be sort of like an external stakeholder like say OpenTEAM or region foundation or r&d or one of the other consortium members. And then, people need to would sort of signal their buy in, in some way for a project or review it and say these, this works, this does not edit it in some way. And, and then based on the level of interest from the community and groups and whatnot. We would distribute the resources or collective resources to the projects right, that's part of the governance here. And there might be a further step where it could mean, here's the mandate of the community and external stakeholders can maybe sort of match it, and so on and so forth. I think. Yeah, I'll stop. I mean, I have more thoughts but I'll stop, because I know I'm going like this is so far has been a hypothetical and we've been thinking through this but but I'm sure John, Laura, how are you how are you thinking of the workflow of what needs to be there. Not there, and all the others on the OpenTEAM.
Amazing, thank you so much. I think I cut out for a second there but I heard most of that. Um, yeah, this is this is amazing. And I guess I'm, I'm curious to hear reflections from the OpenTEAM crew on how you think this would fit into your existing ecosystem and processes.
Yeah, I'll jump in. Yeah I mean I think it's it's just a nice convergence here in terms of where the OpenTEAM communities and how we're thinking about hubs and networks and how the onboarding process of those, and how we support our hubs in networks and their processes and moving more towards, sort of, I mean, independent of the decisions making made in, say, the governance of region ledger, there are a lot of the other kinds of governance and decision making that we're trying to get into place in terms of what are the priorities, what are the research questions we're asking together, where our resources allocated to that that's very much an OpenTEAM kind of governance question that I think makes it a very good and appealing product type. For some of those other types, the type of management that, that the foundation is, is looking to develop with the doubt, so yeah I mean I think that's why we're excited to be a primordial or prototypical Dao to help be a testbed for as a trusted as a community with some established trust, and some of our resources to be able to take on some of that first, that first round. And meanwhile, like, taking into account some of those same considerations that that were brought up in last week's call in terms of being very careful with our as a lot of what we can talk about too is like how we introduce this even within our own hub and network, process, and making sure that we're doing that in such a way that we're providing, you know, early benefits, and that we're providing appropriate support I'm particularly excited. What about the spoke about a little earlier about, you know, this, the creating this new role that isn't represented isn't necessarily the representative role but the facilitation role within these communities and supporting that I think that's something that OpenTEAM is really excited about, you know, that we use the term digital intermediary or, but there's probably a better term, we were talking about sort of a fellow in terms of that role but creating that connection to move towards greater representation and managing the complexity of both communications and governance.
Could I am, could I riff off that for a second. Dorn because there's so I literally just got off a call this morning and I feel the same about like that excitement about that facilitator role. And this, there was an idea that came up, of trying to incentivize young people to farm or learn new skills and like regenerative management, and then also be ledger literate, to where they become the like young ambassadors, the next generation for their communities and how that seemed to really resonate this was kind of like a Latin American context that we were talking about. I just feel like that facilitator role can really be a reflection of that culture and of what like that culture needs and like what the young people want and what the elders want. So I feel like that's just a really awesome idea that has a lot of legs.
Right. Yeah, it feels like where a lot of our effort the last few weeks has been sort of sort of beginning to have that bubble up. But more, we've been talking around it but it feels like it's starting to come into focus more to address as we were saying these issues of trust, and then also trust and and equity and how we can bring. So we can. Yeah, that I think part of the conversation gets into how we, how those as Revathy mentioned sort of how those fellows are ambassadors or emerge and are nominated from the community but not and I guess I'm saying the same thing but to me that the key is that they aren't represented, they aren't the representatives that they don't have a bigger voice because they've been nominated, but they enable the voice of the whole community by facilitating that process so that to me is like the exciting part to help people to be that so yeah I would love to pick I'd love to sort of get, we're trying to get some of this down and thank you so much Claire, and, and they have for the note taking here because I think this is going to serve a lot of purposes here, across the community just in terms of articulating the approach. And then ideally as we're talking about is having the platform reflect that underlying that architecture that structure those social ideas.
Yeah, I mean, just to jump in really quick, this, especially what Becca what you just said about youth ambassadors that can bridge the digital and regenerative skills divide that I got chills. That just rings so true to me that it's like our next generation, that are the people who are going to inherit the most challenging time in the, in the climate of this earth. They are leaders and their voices must and should be elevated, and to have to look at them as the representatives of their communities is so true and they're not the elders of their communities, they don't have more power if they step into this role, but they, they do have a huge responsibility, and we can reflect that and honor that and really interest them because, like that yeah, we have to entrust them with the future they're they're the they're the they're the key stakeholders of the future. Yeah, I just I just love this so much, and when it comes to the project flow kind of the, yeah, the horizontal project proposal by in voting distribution, that is just so much in line with what we how we are envisioning people using Hylo especially Neha has been a great visionary for this feature set, which is that, like, a project isn't something that just exists within one community, it's something that can be accessed and participated in by many different communities and really elevating that functionality, not in terms of like, Oh, here's the task management features, We can pull that in from any other existing tool, but just making elevating a project as the main like site of collaboration, like whatever the actual work is that needs to be done. And when, when we have these conversations around, Like what would actually draw and steward to engage in this way and participate in a digital platform. This this is the thing right like eyes it as a Land Steward, have a project on my land that I want to do to restore my land, but I don't have the resources. So this is what I do I come here, I share my project with my hub or my community and I say this is what I need. This is the resources I'm asking for and it's my community that can then vote on on how much resource to allocate in my direction. And it's, yeah, that's exactly what we want to happen. We want to channel the resources towards the regeneration towards the people who are doing the work on the ground. And this feels like just the right way to do it. It's exciting.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's exciting, and also the, the, you know, we have our work cut out for us. Right, yeah. So if we were to go back to the, the, the mirror there, Claire. If we weren't a dive into any other questions specifically we can or I can also expand on the wonderful notes you have taken a little bit in terms of some of the processes and systems that exist that we have seen so far, and maybe specifically, things that have not worked well, which I might want to change. I mean, this is, this is sort of like a process innovation and a system innovation right as much as it is about tools.
Yeah 100% Yeah, I would love that, please just any insight you want to share.
Wonderful. I'm so I'm gonna. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm looking at this as specifically the project proposal, and the collaboration workflow, right. So that piece of it, and we can take maybe two hypothetical case studies here, which, which might be helpful. One is, what happens right now in the really large open source community like Linux Foundation. So if, if you want to start a new project. For instance, within the hyper ledger network, what's going to happen is, there is this thing called hyper ledger Labs, which is for fledgling projects. And you can sort of go and say you're starting something there. And, and, usually, how it works in Linux Foundation for instance, is there's an existing project with some code, and they are a for profit entity but they want to make it open source so there's already some code, and they'll, they're just gonna make it into labs. And that means having a regular call the code becomes open source their meetings are documented in some way. And if there is a certain threshold of activity and engagement from others who come on, then they would go to what would be the steering committee for the project. The Technical Steering Committee kind of thing and say hey, we have achieved this in this, we would like for this to be an official project, at which time they'll gain some resources and the ability to take on more members and so on and so forth. Don, I know you've been, you've probably had had lots of things at the tip of your tongue.
Gonna keep going. Did I say something, please do. No no no no, keep going.
Alright, um, so, so that's one case study, I mean there are other parts of that workflow which are dysfunctional in their own right, but something you're is to think about is, one, the barrier to proposal, it's usually somebody who already has a project, and, and to there aren't there isn't anything explicit that invites other community members to be part of it, to sort of contribute to it and work on it. And three, the eventual decision is actually made by sort of the Technical Steering Committee or whatever, and I mean, historically, there have been several things that have gone wrong with in hyper ledger for instance I didn't. This the some one specific company, which has a fairly big name in India, in that private blockchain world who have a huge number of employees represented in the Technical Steering Committees so they influence the roadmap a lot and these projects a lot. So that's just an example of things that can or can go wrong right.
Can we review those, those, there were three challenges really quickly because I just want to make sure that we got all of them. So, now I got one, there's, there's nothing that allows other stakeholders to be a part of it, so like there's no clear way to collaborate or participate. Okay, so we don't have that cross, cross stakeholder collaboration that we were identifying as the value. And then another one was out the decision ends up being made by like kind of existing power structures. And then the first one was that you, it's pretty much people that like already have a project going to qualify. Yeah, so there's like some embedded privilege and like who.
Right, yeah, yeah.
Okay great thank you so much.
Absolutely. And this doesn't even take into account the tools and the means of collaboration used and such right like this is just in the process level, I mean, on the children's actually we can, we can go at length about it, which we'll avoid because they don't use Hylo, so. So that's, that's one scenario for instance. Great. We can also look at what, what, possibly happens in sort of like a crypto community for instance, um, I mean I'm just saying, sort of like an arbitrary crypto community, but, but generally you would have. You have discard communities that are super active and engaging, and I'm talking about, maybe this particular scenario of what's called a community Dow which we were seeing a little bit more of late in the crypto communities. Let me see if I can find a link to it, there was something that was floating around recently. If it can I'll drop it in, but, um, but, and maybe I'll take some time to do it, but But going back to this, I think. So these would be people who already sort of find something that's a common shared interest on on Discord and because these are crypto folks and it's usually something technical like Hey, I like creating NF T's Do you too. And do you want to create NF T's about flowers for instance, and they might just do it and decide to create a data for that they might create a new channel, and then invite other people in, and, and all of this is online right like they would go tweet about it, and post on Reddit, and other sub channels and groups and whatnot, and other people join in on the Create a token of their own and that's it. Yeah, they may or may not know each other personally, and usually sort of the way that it would sustain some of, like, they would create their own either sort of like a startup crypto project, or like, yeah, it's, it's like some what they do is they pull in their NF T's together and use that as a means of community resources, for instance. And that's how sort of that farms. I mean things that that don't work. Clearly, like this is geared towards people who love engaging with others virtually online and are used to that already. And it's a classic example of birds of a feather flock together. That's it. It's not even sort of different stakeholders who are considered here at all.
And yeah, I mean, I think, I think those are the main reasons, it would, for instance, not apply to our use case for instance, I think, a primary challenge between this and what we would see with land stewards, his land stewards, often do not feel like they have something valuable to say in a primarily tech focused conversation in which it can often be. and that in itself is a huge barrier to entry, more often than not, I mean, it's a huge generalization but.
Right, okay. Yeah. I feel like I've been reading the same articles as you about like, like the gardens idea and the conviction voting, and, yeah, there's all kinds of like structures coming out where you can spin up your handout for your community. And that's really great and I'm sure we'll be incorporating technology from one of those tools at some point, such as common stock, potentially, and there are a lot of drawbacks as well. Right, like, yeah, making sure that the power structure is distributed, being one of them. Yeah, yeah, exactly, all of that, yeah. Yeah, and just making sure that people that are on the, the less savvy side around digital skills and access still feel like they have something to contribute and they have an easy way to do that, like, not everyone is going to be able to engage directly with a blockchain. So it really matters like how these tools. Yeah, just what the interface basically is like between the underlying architecture of these tools and then how people engage with it.
Yeah, this is, this is really helpful. And yeah, we could, we could talk a lot about the tools, but I'm feeling a desire to take a moment and make sure that our big questions have been answered here, since we're close to the end of our time. And I do feel like, yeah, I feel like I have a great picture of the inquiries that we had around the community landscape. Yeah, so do open questions around how do these groups, enter the region Foundation program and ecosystem. And then questions around yeah and the questions around tools. But I also want to make sure I almost want to put a pin in those conversations and make sure that we have a moment to talk about success. And yeah, so I think I want to go there if that's okay, which is the conversation around like how will we know that we're successful here what does that look like. And we started a little bit earlier with some comments on metrics from rev I'm going to take these and bring them down here. But yeah, that's, That's for anyone that's from Rob or Dorn.
I think there are a few categories of success here. This would be success for the end and program itself. I think there is, there is a question of, maybe, ongoing sort of success in each doll for engagement or each community, and there's a question of what that would mean for instance for OpenTEAM, and I know OpenTEAM itself has, has a bunch of OKRs and success metrics that the John Laura and folks and team have been thinking about. And I invite them to Japan I cannot do that.
Right, sure, sure each community's definitely gonna have their own OKRs. Oh go ahead darnest Are you on mute.
Oh I was just gonna invite. Laura, if she wanted to sort of give because what does success look like we have sort of these high, you know you get, Like rave said we have different measures of success depending on sort of where we're looking here. So I guess I was sort of thinking through that when you started this in terms of success for the diamond program with success for the technology success for the community. You know, and then within that, we have sort of measures of trust measures of interaction, you know, the, the level of exchange the generation of new, there's a lot, you know. So anyway, but I'd like to maybe worthy want to take a shot at this.
I'll take a shot and apologize for the background bumping tunes that you might hear. And, but, I think, you know, success for our community.
I think comes back to just supporting land stewards. And in this stage with region foundation.
Being able to translate and contextualize a Dow to an actual hub, even tech liaison
is gonna be a good challenge for us I think. And we were just talking about how we might need a type of like ledger boot camp, and I think our hubs will need something similar,
which will be fun. Once they figure out what that actually is like but we're gonna have to work on it.
Yeah, I'd like to take another shot and see if it comes down, or that was really helpful. I, I've been thinking a lot about this, you know, the success is this process innovation that it sort of, for me it's the metrics that are showing that that process and we sort of captured a little bit in trust, but it's that there's a community, there's actually this feedback loop that's actually happening that's reinforcing and building trust with our community, and that it's this moving from or reverting it we're talking more, more this morning about the idea of, you know, communities, moving from affinity to bridge to bridging, right, so we have. We're both strengthening and connecting with those that are working on the same things, and we have trust enough with to link in to all that's possible in terms of that global knowledge base and I think that's that fellowship role that we talked about that intermediary role that represents and provides access to that so I think in terms of a process innovation is movie, if we can show that we can have the tools that process is generating from the communities that communications and governance and tools that are, that represent them and are being used, that, that to me is what's, that's the exciting part is that, you know, the tagline was, quote, you know, local production from gross Global Knowledge kind of thing or your context but that the. That's. That to me is or the, the largest. But that, yeah, that duality of affinity and localism with the global connection, and creating the peer groups that trusted you know within your community, those trust those folks who have that global peer group. And not just that they exist but they're functioning we have, we have outputs, we have reflections of examples where that's actually working.
Right. Yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, I guess I'll just reflect on some, some metrics that I've heard throughout this conversation, a big one seems to be that there's cross stakeholder collaboration happening, which maybe was part of what Darren is just speaking to with the affinity groups bridging to other communities, but I'm going to put that up here for the program as a whole.
There were, there were a number of things that Darren, he said, all in a row really quickly like trust exchange, and some other things I want to make sure I capture those.
Yeah, yeah I mean I think that the key is essentially that the process. It's a process innovation and feedback that the tools and the other communities actually flow from the, from, you know that that architecture of land to land steward to technical assistance to broader community, that there's a flow from that and that that's actually that the feedback is actually functioning so that process innovation that we're creating a governance structure that supports that, I mean I think that's that's I think the biggest, the indication of success is that that that process innovation is functioning that the products that come out have actually I mean it's what we're doing right, you know, we're sort of laying the groundwork for that is how we're going about this is, is part of what you know will though with the. Yes, part of what we're designing it right.
Okay, so like the, the exploration that's happening across the entire ecosystem is generating the tools and the governance structures and the relationships that can then support the ongoing process.
Yeah, and the new social roles that were articulating here, that we, that were, you know, elevating the you know the, you know, we talked about sort of the youth ambassador, the difference between facilitation and governance, and representation. I think that's a pretty important potential innovation in, and moving the fortnight's it's not just in governance it's it's in design right I think that's the thing is that when we're talking about governance, this is about design and resource allocation of what gets built, and who's going to use it.
Okay, that's helpful. Thank you, Rob. I'm curious if you can speak to some high level goals for you. For this whole program are not goals but like metrics of success
and stakeholder collaboration. Think increased. Something that's that sort of circling back here to something that's very region ledger specific is also just increased use of the ledger itself to govern, local communities, and create accountable and verifiable ecosystem services. Right. I think that's, that's a way that's the direction we kind of want us to would the overall network towards and that includes the endowment program. We also have this super vague thing right now that's called optimal decentralization caution for the ledger. And that's part of the overall goal for the endowment program. Essentially, I think that relates to the governance aspect in some way that we want to reduce centralization as much as possible. And I imagine. And, and for me personally also. This is more qualitative, but how much of the of the innovation and the projects and everything. The workflow is sort of more of an open community oriented culture versus between groups, and behind closed doors, I think is for personal success metric. There is of course, at the end of the day, I think, from a qualitative level, it boils down to. Does the company now in Ecuador, have as much of a say on the regional nature as the, the DA, as the DAP programmer in, in the Silicon Valley. Theoretically, if they own the same number of tokens on the lecture, the answer is the theoretical answer is yes, but making that also the practical answer being Yes, I think is the goal of the program so that's a very qualitative criteria, but
that's great, qualitative metrics are welcome.
Yeah, and I think that for now. That seems like a good thing to build on since people are mentioned really fairly insightful things here already. Yeah, I love that.
What comes to mind for me is that for each community there's a growing sense of identity around the group, and the landscape that they're representing. And, yeah, there's ongoing and accruing energetic investment in that landscape, And that we're seeing, cumulative effects of regeneration happening. And that's, like, both socially and that landscape as well as ecologically and of course, ultimately we do get to quantitative ecological metrics, but just that we're moving momentum towards this idea of like bio regional regeneration and coordination. People coordinating in their landscapes. Yeah. Any other success metrics that come to mind for anyone on this call, or oh I see we're at our time here so just any last comments.
Um, maybe just the last comment is, this is not a success metric for the program itself but generally, for the foundation is the system that comes out of the endowment program, and which we hope is at least linked to the overall ledger ecosystem, if not the ledger ecosystem already needs to be a living an active system right so that level of adaptability is also part of what's, what's your, the goal is that the endowment program helps create this link between the system to the rest of the world, so that the changes in the world that the Land Steward see that the via Regency is quickly reflected in the system so the system can respond and adapt and grow and evolve. Yeah, again that's qualitative, just the big picture. Love that. Thank you. Any final thoughts or anyone else. Thank you. Yeah.
Yeah, this is so so so helpful. Yeah Thank you Rob, so much for your monologues. This is incredibly great insight and I feel like I have a much clearer picture. So I really appreciate your time and energy in this conversation. Yeah, I really feel like I've, I've gotten a lot of questions answered. And the pieces that we dove into a little less is the piece around the tools, and I feel really comfortable with that because I think we're going to get into that a lot, next week, when we talk about collective governance, and also just what are the tools that the Dow's need to do to do these things that we've discussed today, so I feel like we're in a really good position to have that conversation next week. Yeah.
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