program was but you know, the path of, you know, I was in the army first, then I went to college, and I sort of ran out of money, and had to drop out of college for a little while, but actually was lucky enough to get landed job with an architecture firm for four years, and was basically doing what I would be doing after graduation, sort of mid mid school. And then, you know, I went back out. And in fact, actually, it made me a little bit more marketable, because they're like, Oh, you've got four years of experience, you actually can put together a set of construction documents and things like that. And in, in, in evidence, right, I mean, we aren't necessarily looking to be 100%, kind of, like, you know, a vo tech type school where, you know, you're, you're learning this, but there are other aspects to the educational process that we're leaving blank in the professions, leaving it blank to in your, you know, you're highlighting it in just what you do on a daily basis is like, you know, we are, let's use it, you said it better than I am about to say it, so. But we're terrible at business. You know, we were coming up because we don't know, we have, like, where are the classes in innovative businesses practices? Where are just the basic business classes? Where is the, you know, seminars on entrepreneurial ship, you know, where are those things that would help us thrive as a business because then because, you know, if you if you start taking that and wrapping it into kind of what I was saying about, you know, just doing it, you know, like the bad habits and, you know, perpetuating the bad habits is, if we're given the tools to practice business, and architecture at the same time, we are the creative, you know, we're the, the creative profession that would actually probably do do a much better job of creating a, a successful business if we have the tools for it. But we, you know, we're always playing from behind every time we, you know, we start, you know, like, we, we work for a firm, you know, we don't really learn anything about us, okay? We're, we're, you know, disillusioned and we want to start our own practice. We started our own practice, but we're, we're playing from behind, because we don't have that business acumen to just jump into it. So we're, we're making it up as we go along. And, you know, as I said, on the when we were talking, I'm a living proof of that I jumped in started my own practice. You know, I could say that I could blame, you know, the await recession, as you know, a part of one of the reasons why I'm not in business anymore. But I would also say it's like just the complete lack of understanding about business in general, that I didn't know that I needed to basically shore up for the, you know, for the hard times, I was just like, oh, yeah, we're doing good. And then when all of my clients are saying, I'm not doing good, and pulling their contracts and in canceling contracts and things like that, and I'm like, now what? In, you know, and those are the things that I know that you talk about on your podcast, a lot about how to weather the storms?