Hey, welcome to the Summit Host Hangout Podcast where you'll learn how to host a high converting virtual summit that leads to your biggest signature offer launch yet. I'm your host, Krista from Summit in a Box and I've got a guest. I'm so excited to bring you today plus a fun announcement. But first, I need to give you a little background on where this episode came from because it doesn't directly fit in with our normal topic of summits. Right? You don't usually hear me talking about different strategies. But early in 2022, I hosted a free bundle as a way to grow my email list and experiment with a strategy that I saw so many other people doing and I want to experiment with every strategy out there. So I just had to do a bundle. And as with anything, I went all out with it to make sure it looked great that it was a great experience for everyone involved all the things. And then because of that, naturally, people started asking if I would teach them how I did it. And like a sense I teach the step by step of cements with all the templates to go along with it and everything. Everyone wanted the step by step a bundles and with the templates there too, but I got off easy with my answer there because it was an easy No, I won't teach you that because I'm not making this stuff. I had purchased a course called collaboration cash in from my friend Kate Doster. I followed it to a tee and it is amazing. But it's funny because even over- what, it's been almost a year and a half now- I still get questions about how to host a bundle. And now I'm gonna have a resource to send them to because I've got Kate here today to talk to us on the podcast and we have a live training coming up next week. By the way, if you're listening to this after the fact we'll have something for you at the links we mentioned so don't worry.
But today in this episode, we are going to talk about some real numbers behind bundles. Kate has hosted the difference in benefits of free versus paid bundles, how they fit with summits and how to know if it's a good time for you to host one then we're also going to dive into the bundle strategy at next week's training. Again, don't worry if you're here after the fact we will have something for you to get to it. To give you some background information on our guests. She is the host of the do the brave thing online business podcast. It is her mission to put money in the hands of good people so they can do good with it. While eradicating the idea that nice people always finish last in business by sharing spammer face free sales and fast growth techniques that even your grandma would be proud of you for using as you can tell just by that bio I can't even make through without giggling. She's hilarious. She brings such a fun twist to online business and everything she does. So without further ado, let's dive in and talk with Kate Doster. Welcome, Kate.
Hi, I'm so excited to be here. I was thinking if anyone's a listener of my podcast, I know I talked about Krista Miller like every other episode.
It's about time we have you have we not and we never had you on here before I feel like we did about emailing maybe but maybe not.
I think we did. I think we get at some point. But we haven't talked about bundles.
Now. This is gonna be so good. Before we get into bundles, tell us a little bit about you and your business and what you're all about over there.
Sure. So I like to help people with the things that they struggle with the most, which tends to be making money and being comfortable with the idea of making money. So like it's in very odd sort of like what's going on here. Like everyone wants to be able to feed themselves and want to make money but they feel bad when they go into sales. They also have really hard time communicating it. Particularly if you're someone like me that identifies as a talker, you feel like "oh my goodness, like I could never write a sales page. I could never write an email." So I try to take the most intimidating things in business, which is sales and writing, and make them really easy. Same thing with actually growing a community and an email as we try make them really easy, really fun and really approachable. And I you want somebody who is very like straight laced and soft spoken. I'm just not for you. Which I just need you to go find somebody who is like, I am not kidding when I say I need good people to make money. So if you're like "Oh my goodness, just a spammer face. How unprofessional." Go find someone who is boring and bland because I need you to make money regardless. So that is what our whole mission is about. I started my business as a stay at home mom on food stamps. I mean, I did everything that I could sign up for I did and we've grown it into a seven figure course business. Like everyone got a little bit ADHD, got a little bit of dyslexia, all that sort of fun stuff. So I'm like "Dude, I'm really hate bringing that up. But like, I can do it." Y'all can do it. Like I swear you can.
Seriously Kate, you make everything you do like so fun and straightforward and doable. I bought your email course as well. What's it called?
It was love your list. She got retired,
Oh it's retired? Oh my gosh, but like that was just like the perfect example of being able to take something like writing emails that can feel so tricky and just making it into the easiest thing and you did the same thing with bundles. So how did you get into hosting bundles by the way?
So I had seen somebody host one and it was like maybe like 2017 like the dark ages you remember when you're still doing design work? It was like 2017-2018. And so I'd signed up and I got like a bunch of stuff and host of the bundle her address because they upset the bottom of the email can spam rolls was actually like the town over from where I live and like I was in Rhode Island and y'all there are no online ordering or an island at the time like oh my goodness. So like I'm gonna it was like not to sound like a creepy stalker. And so I talked with her and so I was in one of her bundles, she decided to switch directions and get an in person real job, which is totally okay. And so like I even asked her I'm like, you know, even though I had hosted my like three or four of my own by this other point, I'm like, do you mind if I actually teach this because like, you're the person I learned it from, she called it a giveaway. Words matter, people got so confused, they thought like, they had to, like win one thing or whatever. So it's like, it's not a giveaway. All it's a bundle, people understand the term bundle. So that's what I sort of took it from there. And I loved it. And I love bundles, because for so many reasons, but it's one of those things like I really do, like helping other people build their businesses and with a bundle, you are going to get your people's like, who are your contributors, so many email subscribers, like they're gonna love you forever? If you're ever wondered to yourself, like, how do I go for being a best kept secret? How do people become friends? Get people results. It's the same way you get clients and customers; get people results, like who doesn't want to hang out with somebody that helped them get like 500 email subscribers in a week, when all they had to do was send an email that you already pre written for them? Like, everybody wants to be friends with that person, right? Like, I don't know, but you were like, Oh, yes, I want to be friends with them. And so I really liked that because just like, I could, like, spend money on Zuckerberg or social media, which we're definitely going to be talking about that a little bit later on. But like, Y'all, it gets really tiring, like have you ever actually sat down and thought about and we're gonna talk more about this on lit splits, which is the live training that we're going to be doing next week but like you're creating free content right like your social media posts to get people to free content like this podcast episode to get people to more free content which is your freebie right? To then finally get somebody to buy from you. Right? And so I was like No wonder why you were feeling so burnt out because you were constantly in this free content cycle which I love free content guys. But like if you're going with social media, it is Zuckerberg whole mission to keep people on Instagram, it's TikTok whole thing to keep them on TikTok, so you are trying to start this piece of free to go to more free to go to more free and a platform that does not want to share your stuff. Like on off y'all looked at your analytics, right? But like I'm cool, like 4000 people on Instagram because I'm like, why bother? Right? It's fun to post over there right? If I go and look at like some of my best performing reels like I'm lucky if it gets like 2000 views. And I'm like it's not even following me. So like no wonder why you were feeling burnt out and sad because you're not getting the biggest thing that you need in your business to succeed which is momentum and when your house a free or paid by No. And you see all these people flooding into your list. Same thing like when you host a summit you are going to build such momentum and such confidence in your business because now you've got results and now you've got these people and now you're gonna go go go go go that's why I love them so much. So that's how I got started and why they're my favorite.
Oh my gosh, Kate all of that was gold right there. What was the first bundle I'm trying remember when the first bundle was you did that I was in it's been like 2019 Okay, that's what I was thinking. And I still have people buy my higher priced products from your bundle and it was not the last sale I made but two sales ago of our Summit in a Box program which is two or $3,000 program. She had been on my list for four years and signed up through one of your bundles like what's and I feel like so many people say that you shouldn't be in bundles bundles aren't worth doing because you just get freebie seekers they don't buy anything. I mean, I might I might say that about someone else I've been in but yours you're worth it every single time I do it and like worth it so many times over I get like it's over 1000 subscribers. They buy things, they're wonderful. Like it's amazing. So all your bundle secrets like people need them.
Right and again, we have our mutual friend Lanie Lamarre right from her podcast like she has a whole podcast breaking it down of her numbers because that's what most people think like oh, these people are just going to come and they're going to leave. Here's the thing. If you're, if say, if you're in a free bundle or even a paid one, but say if you're in a free one, if your contribution, we call it a gift if it's a free bundle, if it is bad if your follow up sequence is bad, you're right, you just wasted your time. Now of course this stuff is amazing so you don't worry about it right and I also when I teach this to my students; if you're doing free, paid it's a little bit different, but if you're doing free the only person I'm just talking about summit is Krista so she does not have to worry about for other people directly trying to sell people on summit, right? So she's got a unique gift and that's what again is the advantage of say a free bundle I always nothing is duplicated paid bundle it's okay but and she has a strong follow up sequence which gets what we talked about and collaboration caching Go Go figure and then of course oh I know right? So that's how you make bundles worth your time and effort but you're gonna find this even with summits right? There's some summit host you can always tell when it's a Summit in a Box version. You can always tell that are amazing and so you get amazing results. There are other summit host versions like they obviously don't know how.
Then the same goes with you too. I want to hear a little I'm gonna hear some numbers, people like numbers. Tell me about your first bundle ever. And what those numbers look like,
first bundle ever. I gotta say, I'm not quite sure cuz I was going back to look at some of my old podcasts. So it's I'm not quite sure if this was the first one. Or if this was the second one. Okay, well, we had we had about, and this is such an odd number, because everyone seems to end up with this. We got like 4000 new subscribers, like new to me. So we make sure that you can like right before you send out like your first email to tell everyone about your bundle. I always have you tag all your current subscribers so you can tell the difference between old people and new people. Because again, we want numbers. Thanks for Krista who always talks about that for summit stuff, because I'm more of a wounded person. And she's like, we should we should spreadsheet how to to do. So it was 4000. But this was a kicker, we made $14,000 off of the free bundle. Right, which is amazing. And so we have a whole system on how you can monetize if you're the host of a free bundle. And here's the thing, again, it's your party, right? So you can tell your contributors like no, you can't sell on your thank you page, or you can ask them because you can't control somebody else's business kind of like you say, like, you can't force anybody to promote. Same thing here, right? Like, you can ask them like, Hey, guys, I'm going to be doing a launch like three weeks after. So if you could just like give me a week, that would be great, maybe for them to be an affiliate of your launch. So not only are they growing their own business, not only could they make money on the thank you page, or for their own things, like, again, if you've got a good product, you've got a good starting point, you're naturally going to lead people into things that are more paid. And so that was just really great. We talked about affiliate income net for your first one. But like later on, if you want your sponsors, and we talked about VIP spots. So I think that people are like, Oh, why would I waste my time doing anything free? And I know this was one of your questions when to free versus paid. You know, if your email list is like less than 5000 people like 1,000%, I would do a free bundle because you're going to be able to, again, make money on the back end, all of your contributors are going to promote most likely there's a couple Hanceville that you might have to be like, Why aren't you telling people about all this free stuff like Hello? Like, come on, dude. Right? But you're gonna grow your list. Like we have people who listen like a week, right? Like, it's fantastic. And they've got that money off the back end. If you have a more established business, like, say, an extra 3000 people when you already have 25,000 might not be that advantageous to you like, it's always nice to get new people. But that might be when you want to start considering like a paid bundle. So you're over that 10,000 subscribers, you've got some going things going on, then go to paid. I mean, if you want to start paid go right ahead. It's your business.
Yeah, it's probably a matter of kind of like free and paid events is your goal list growth, like lots of lists growth or income? Because I'd imagine adding the price tag to the bundle significantly decreases the list growth. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. All right. You and You said so many good things, and they are you, you're just like dropped in little, you know, mentions of sponsors and VIP spots. I'm like, ooh, ooh, this is good. And I think so many people don't look at free bundles as something that can be monetized a lot. Like a lot of people look at summits as something that can't be monetized. But there is so much power in it. And like things that work. I am someone, every time I'm in one of Kate's bundles, if there is an opportunity for me to pay her for a VIP spot or something, I'm gonna pay her like, that's just what's gonna happen. Those are such good things to bring up and just let people know that monetizing these as possible to the list growth is awesome, but you can totally make money right away. Okay, amazing.
Definitely do it.
Do you have anything else to add about? Like what you see as the biggest benefit or primary benefits of hosting a free bundle? Or do you feel like we kind of covered it?
Okay, I'm aware of the name of the podcast, but I'm gonna say it anyways. It is just a heck of a lot easier to host a free bundle than a summit guys, for the sheer volume of page creation. In order to host a free bundle, like you're gonna count with me like, right, you've got I like a waitlist, you don't have to do this, you could honestly get away with a registration page. You missed it page. Because again, we always want to have a next step. We don't want to broken links, and the claim Page Three homepage or summat, like, while again, Krista gives you the templates, like, I don't know how people do without Summit in a Box. But like, if you have 20 speakers, you gotta multiply those 20 pages, you want to change the names. And if you're just a solo person and say you're you know, you haven't actually hired out a VA yet or somebody to help you out. It's a lot. You can handle creating shows, right? Are you going to make as much with a say free bundle as you're going to with a summit? Probably not if you follow Krista's Summit in a Box, but on the back end 1,000% Because these people stick around when you know what you're doing. So yes, well long ago you can because you don't have an all access pass or anything necessarily to sell though we have a lot of different ways. Like I said that you can monetize things and add in little stuff, whether it's for your paid bundle, like that's it right if you do a paid bundle and Now, the claim page is actually going to be in a course platform. So you don't have to create that from scratch. Just got to add it. And you got to check out page seven. Like I can handle four pages, you know, we like to include other things like thank you pages, of course. But that's why it's just a lot easier to deal with the nooks and crannies of your day.
Right? I remember that being one of your biggest takeaways, when you went through Summit in a Box, you're like, Ah, that was a lot. That's a lot of stuff. And a bundle is easier. And that's why I hosted a bundle too. It's like, I need to do something big right now. But I don't have time for a summit. So I went, I went for a bundle. And that's why I did it. And we have an episode breaking down the results of that, but I'm with you on the I love summits, but they are more they are more to deal with. Okay.
All great Summit is more to do, right? Yeah. But again, it's one of those things like you don't think it should be like, Oh, I'm just duplicating this. But if it's like five minutes, right? And that's like on the low end of things, but you got that like times 20. And if it's just you, then you're like, Oh man, right. And so now you don't have to worry about transcripts being right, or the audio files, or any of that other sort of stuff. It's just like, You got to make sure that they link they give you as good and a gift gets delivered. Do some of those things not add up? Yes, um, you will have people who are just like, I can handle that. And for my introverts that are like, oh, man, if you talk to people on camera or the summit, you don't have to talk to anybody. You can add those live elements, and we have a whole bonus about spicing up your bundles. But like, no, technically you never have to touch anybody except writing.
Okay, so we've established that bundles are easier than summits. Do you think they fit together well with summits at all? Or is it like if you've, if you're a good fit for one, you shouldn't do the other?
I think and I tell us absolutely all of my students, I think that you need to try both, because you are going to find some people just absolutely love summits. They love the talking, they've got the team in the background, or just themselves, like they've got the time and the strategies that Summit in a Box hars, of course whenevre it opens up again, get on there. Like they have that. And they just love that experience. Really, all this is great, again, is usually a bigger cash injection at the beginning, I'm not gonna lie to you, especially if it's a free bundle, and then do both, right. So you can have a summit one quarter and then maybe give yourself a little bit of a break. And then the next quarter hosted bundle, whether you want it to be paid or free. That way you can compare the results, and especially like the return on time, because everything is going to be a little bit different for certain people. And you might be like, I know, I might have been a little bit more money upfront with the summit. But you know, I think that I like this bundle, or vice versa. Or again, you can do both. I have one of my students, she's really successful. She hosts two bundles a year and two summits a year she loves both of them. absolutely loves it. I don't offer cables, but she loves it. Right. And what's really great is that if you've already hosted a summit, you have a whole bunch of people that you are to give a great experience to because you listened to Krista, and now you can ask to be in right by their again your size, make it free and pay. So now especially like, because that's always the biggest question is like, after they're like, is everyone just gonna subscribe? No, they're not, it's fine. It's like, Who do I ask? If you've already had a summit, you got all of the people that are in your Summit, they all had a really great experience with you. Because you followed what Krista says to do, of course, they're gonna want to do it unless they have something else scheduled. That's why we always say like, can't I've seen people get bundles done, whether they're free or paid in like 30 days, I wouldn't recommend it just because you want to give your contributors time to put it in their calendars. So that's why we're like, you know, 90 days or even if you want to start it out technically for you. It's not going to take you that long at all. But it's just to make sure that people have time to promote it.
Yes, that is such a big one. Something I love about what you guys do is you reach out so far in advance that there's never anything even close on my calendar. It's like, Yep, let's just put a date on the calendar right there. You know, it's, it's really nice to not have to worry about having to say no, because of other things going on, because no one thinks that far.
Right. And we try to, you know, obviously, for us to when we're in the b2b space, some of the best ones and this is again, why like Christmas, some of our best ones are business to consumers. I literally just had somebody wrap up that was for dance teachers and like how Nish is that they call it that back to dance bundle. And she got ones that were all different disciplines. I think there was about eight of them, literally on day one, all eight of her other contributors because this is considered a small bundle. We're like you're doing this again next year, right? Like they had such massive results. They wanted to do it over again. Just like, again, that momentum and it's it's so fun. Everyone loves free or they love a good deal. If it's paid. We can talk more about that.
I love that. Yeah. Do you want to talk a little bit about paid on here? Do you talk about Collaboration Cashincaching?
We do so we have a bonus. And I'm trying guys we are actually going to be creating and if you decide to go into collaboration cash and you get this free because we do free updates for life for my buyers because that's the way I roll. We're gonna have a free bundle and a paid bundle sort of fork in the road. So technically you're gonna get two courses. But as of right now, as of the time of this recording, we just have a sort of bonus workshop that we have for paid. So the biggest difference between free and paid for free, you actually want to be very dialed in on the gifts that you have. Because like I talked about earlier, Krista is gonna be the only person who talks about summits, right, because I want her to get the absolute most email subscribers because she's giving me something that is paid, or could be paid. And we talk about like gift quality, like I'm not taking anyone's webinar or two page PDF, one, no one's gonna sign up for it. And two, like, I don't want a bad name. So like, we have a whole bunch of requirements for people not to be like, you need this size email list. But it's just like, your stuff needs to be great because even though Chris is doing this talking about Summit, she still has to technically contend with all our there's a 20 people on the page, right? So we want people to sign up for Christmas get we want to talk about how great it is. So that's why I do that just as like a thank you and I respect move, when it is a paid bundle. However, people just want stuff. And so you just have to be honest with your contributors where it's like, just so you know, there might be somebody else who's going to be talking about, you know, tap dancing, or somebody else that's going to be talking about budgeting. Okay, so just so they know, I think that more people realize, like, hey, because I'm going to be getting the financial kickback. If I sell a bundle, you know, it's not that bad. So it is really a, you still want good quality stuff. But you do want to have more people because just think about it from a consumer standpoint, if you've got one page, and there's 20 things that you can get for free, you're like, Ah, right, like your brains going. But if you're like, Oh man, like I'm paying $97, and I'm getting like 65 courses, like people are gonna be so excited. And we talk about how to, again, get your actual consumers to be able to go through it make best use of your bundle, so that way people want to be able to come back. Also, I think they're slightly different promotional strategies for paid one again, free, like, it's pretty great selling point people, we make sure like, you've got like, the longest I tell my students to run one, we used to have up to 11 days, but I would say like seven, usually we'll do like on Monday to a Friday, but some people like to go Wednesday to Wednesday, or if you know, if depends on it's a holiday or what's going on. So with a free one, the scarcity is what you know, really, really does it with a paid one. The biggest selling point is Oh, my goodness, I get all of this stuff. And it's so cheap. And it's so exciting. So and people have more time to claim stuff with paid. But again, you can make a lot of money right from doing and hosting a paid bundle. We personally I like to pay if somebody is going to contribute, I always like to give them like the bigger half of the pie because they're the one sharing their product with me. So I think that might be a little bit slightly different from the all-access pass, I don't necessarily think it's 6040. That way, it's probably the other way around. Oh, that should be honestly you guys should take way more. It should be 7030 them. But I understand that you want to be generous to your speakers. But no, like they're they're giving us their products. So we want to make sure that we make it worth their while we have a webinar that we do leading into our paid bundles. And we have an e book that we do into our paid bundles that we don't necessarily do for free. So that's really sort of like the biggest difference. But again, you can make a crap ton of money. We have some students now of course, all they do their whole business, if they help other people host our bundles. Oh, wow, we have some people that are just hosting bundles in different niches as well. So like, it's like, it's not like it's Kate Doster's bundle is just like a productivity bundle, or a cleaning bundle or this bundle. And they just host bundles and they love it. Dang,
that's awesome. I have never really noticed or picked up on any of those differences in paid versus free bundles. So even right there, and I'm sure that's just like the beginning of what you you get into but even right, there's so much good stuff to think about. I had never noticed the difference in like me being the only summit person. And the difference in signup length is like so many things that you just don't know, you don't know, if you don't know, possibly great.
The great thing about free versus paid, it is very easy to turn your free assets into your paid asset. So you can keep the same exact name. You can keep pages, obviously the claim page, you're going to again, make sure it's in a course platform because you need that more secure because I don't know, like if Google indexes the free claim page, it's fine, right? Like it's up for a week. And it's cool. But like we don't want people's like stuff that they think is oh, I'm going to get paid for this. Like getting out there.
Yeah, amazing. Well, how does someone know? If a bundle is the right move for them right now? What would you look for
if you are constantly creating free content and you are not seeing the momentum and traction that you want? Then I would 1,000% say do a bundle. Because like I said, it's going to give you one of the most important assets in your business that nobody talks about, which is momentum. And it's something that you can do in the nooks and crannies of your day. And you don't need to be a big name. Just like you don't need to be a big name for hosting a summit. You don't need to be a big name to host a bundle whether you decide to go free or paid completely up to you. And again, we talk more about it in the course I think both of them are fantastic. It's just again, what's your goal at this point? Go ahead. and host this bundle. If you're stuck in like that messy middle of your business, like say maybe you're getting a little bit of traction, maybe like Pinterest is liking you a little bit. Maybe you're getting like, you know, 10 or 15 email subscribers that I like, you're just like really not seeing that growth. And maybe we're secretly like hate reading people's income reports, host post Rando, if you're like, alright, I could pay Zuckerberg to do as or I could team up with 10 other people who are excited to hang out with me, anyone build connections, then do a bundle, if you don't have that much time, but you know that you need to do this. This is why the name of the free training is Blitz, just like a summit, you're gonna get a huge influx of people all at once, right? Whether it's a free or a paid bundle, right? So if you're just looking for the huge influx of people, again, this needs to be like an annual or bi annual, everyone needs that huge push again, right? If you have a big launch that you really want to do, and you're like, but I don't have, I have like 100 more people to talk to hosting random, right? Because now you're gonna have all these other people to talk to, and to talk about. And if you host a free one or a paid run, because you can be your own sponsor. So that way, everybody knows like, the back of business Mondo is sponsored by the do the breakout like you can again so that way people are constantly renamed, same thing, like we talked about with the summit. Your product is going to be a sponsor of this summit. So that way people hear the name. So when it's open, they're not shocked. So it's the same thing. So again, if you feel like you are gasping at straws, if you're like I'm doing riddles every single day. I'm not saying like what's going on hosted panel if you just want to make online friends tell us about no because like nothing like I said for paid bundles you might not get because again you have so many more people you might or might not get more friendships so for some reason free bundles really bonds people to like you want to believe.
I mean, that's probably how I think that's how we met at first. That's how I met Dolly DeLong. Who we've done. We've been on each other's podcast, like so many people. It's weird.
I never thought because Eden, it was Eden. I had done her Summit, which is the rebel vos Summit, which obviously she loves Krista, she uses Summit in a Box system. Go figure everyone right? Oh, right. I'm just like, oh, you sure my friend Kristen here. And then I decided to make crystal my friend forever. And that's right. And that then just hola like this is this is how you get friends. So if you're like, how do these people know each other? Who's bound up? Right? And again, even if you only have your like, I'm not quite sure. Reach out to people, like the worst that they can say is no. And usually, most people just don't reply back, I usually just go straight, right? If you're in a paid community or a free community that allows you to talk about things that you're doing, see if anybody else, they're like, Hey, guys, and they have hosting this free bundle, we have a whole process we call the pitching pyramid, you can have an application for people, if your audience would make sense to be able to have them in there. Like since I'm b2b, like I can ask my audience if they want to be in our free or paid bundles, and all that stuff. So you can find people. This like I said, sheer volume of time. It's just the lesson isn't it. But you can have amazing results with it. Amazing.
Why don't you share where people can go to learn more about you and connect and all that good stuff? And then we will see everyone next week?
Sure. So if you're like, okay, like, I got these people on my list, and I don't necessarily have something to sell you out and like, well, what are we going to talk about? You're going to head on over to Katedoster.com/twoyears, we got two years worth of email ideas. And I like laid it out like week by week, like second week of August. This is your prompt, I feel like this prompt stinks. Go ahead and use it everyone. You're like, oh, man, it's December when I'm listening to this half of this doesn't work. It turns out that like March comes around again. So you'll be fine. Just fine. Do March for the next year, y'all. It's okay. Because I feel like when you can talk about anything, your brain just sort of shuts off. So when you give a little bit of rails and works really good. It's like saying no to Katedoster.com/twoyears for that, you can search my name. And we'll actually first leave your five star rating and review for the Summit Host Hangout Podcast right now. But after you're done leaving your five star review, you can go ahead and hit the search button, you can just search my name, or you can start to Do The Brave Thing, business podcast. And you can hang out with me over there as well.
Amazing. Thank you so much. We'll also include the link to the two years of email ideas in the shownotes too. Thank you so much for being here, Kate. This was amazing. And thank you so much everyone for tuning in, head to the shownotes for the resources we mentioned and all the links you'll need. In the next episode, we're going to be chatting with another guest about how a virtual summit uncovered actually the perfect fit audience that she hadn't been able to find on her own and helped her create an offer that she's still selling today. So be sure to stay tuned for that. Now go and take action to plan, strategize and launch your high converting virtual Summit.
