Well Missy, you spearheaded the investigation that closed an abortion clinic in Florida this week. What did your investigation find?
Well, we were contacted by Emerald Coast Coalition for life, they had identified that the abortion facility in Pensacola American Family Planning had lied on their transfer agreement, saying they had a transfer agreement with Baptist Health Hospital, when in fact that transfer agreement did not exist. And so when they applied for licensed by the state to be an abortion facility, that information was fraudulent. And so we came in, and we were able to confirm that, in fact, they did not have this transfer agreement that they claimed to have. And in fact, there was an absence of emergency procedures and protocols all together. And we started working with the agency to say, this is going to be an issue. There's a big problem here. This facility has a history of sending women to the hospital of harming people. And we have a lot of anecdotal stories coming out. But from the sidewalk counselors, and we just said, this is going to this is going to cause issues. They need the proper emergency procedures in place so that women are not harmed.
And how did you gather that information? What's the process for your investigations?
Yeah. What's amazing is that a lot of information is available through open records. And that's how we were able to get the the application itself that they had submitted to the state where where the fraudulent information was found. And then it was just a matter of following the clues. So the facility that they claimed to have a transfer payment with was contacted and said, Do you have this agreement? And they said, No, we don't. And then eventually, they said they had an agreement with another hospital. The agency accepted that. And we said, No, this still doesn't meet that standard. And so we used open records, we use the the testimony of people on the ground there. And then we just follow the clues and ask a lot of questions. Ask the appropriate authorities to figure out what's going on.
And your organization operates nationally. How widespread Do you think this kind of malpractice is?
Oh, it's absolutely everywhere. And that's why real protection was founded to two and a half years ago, is that there was a national issue of laws on the books, specifically abortion regulations that were put in place to keep women safe. And depending on who was in the office responsible for that oversight, they just would look the other way. Predominantly, because either they didn't agree with that regulation. They were themselves pro choice and didn't agree that abortion should be regulated, or they didn't want to deal with the backlash that the abortion industry causes. Every time someone tries to regulate them. It becomes such a nightmare. It's such a PR nightmare for these agencies that they just don't want to touch it. And so there's a lack of enforcement on a national level in every state, where abortion facilities are given a free pass because of the type of you know, quote unquote, medicine that they practice. And so we have investigations all over the country. We have about 50 going on right now. In over 25 states and every new community, I go in and talk to the pro life leaders on the ground, they have new stories. And so this is a national issue.
What are some of those stories? How is this affecting women?
Honestly, these stories are horrific. The our first closure was in September of 2021. When a when a young woman came running out of the facility screaming call 911 because she was so afraid for her life. She was administered and anesthesia. And she had a bad reaction to it. Now, if it was an allergic reaction or a panic attack, it doesn't matter. She was saying she couldn't breathe. And if if a patient is saying I can't breathe, especially after being given anesthesia, that needs to be addressed by the physician and the physician refused to address it. And he was just trying to start the abortion anyway. And she was so afraid that she got herself off the table and ran out of the facility. And we worked with the local sidewalk counselors found out that this physician specifically had a history of medical negligence and had his license revoked before and we worked until we got his facility shut down. And so it's a lot of cases of bad medical practices. disposition was 87 years old, we see a lot of physicians who are showing signs of impairment, shaking hands, you know, things like that still trying to perform surgery. Their buildings are not up to code. They're not ADA accessible. The women are not properly, like consented. They don't know what what actually they're consenting to. Another thing we've been hearing a lot, too is the physicians putting 10 Women in a room and giving them all the abortion pill at the same time, HIPAA violations. I mean, it's, it's everything under the sun that you could think of any law, you can break at a medical facility, we're pretty much seeing it.
And how these kinds of thing is allowed to happen.
Really, it just comes down to those agencies being unwilling to step in. And because it's abortion, they think that they get a free pass. And, you know, we are here to say, this is a dangerous procedure, women are harmed, and because of the lack of oversight, it almost attracts physicians that could not practice in any other field of medicine. And so it kind of creates this perfect storm of dangerous places, because these physicians wouldn't be able to practice other medicine, there's a lack of oversight, then when there are violations, these agencies don't want to get involved. I mean, it really just comes down to the the political political position of abortion, and the the power of the abortion industry and influencing those agencies.
So how important is it in your view to have more oversight of these clinics?
Oh, it's absolutely crucial. And this was a perfect the Pensacola facility was a perfect example. We were saying from the beginning, there's a problem here. And at face value, you would think a transfer agreement? That's not a big deal. Yes, it is. Because because they didn't have the proper emergency procedures and protocols in place, it delayed care for these women. And by the time they got to these hospitals, the physicians that were treating them had no idea what was going on. There was nothing in their medical records indicate their vitals, what procedures they had what the physician at the abortion facility had done. And by the time they got there, they were they were barely alive. And it all came down to not having the proper procedures in place to get these women help as soon as possible. And so if we do not regulate these abortion facilities to the same standard, that every other medical surgical facility, even nail salons have more regulations than these abortion facilities. And if we do not ensure that they are enforced properly, women are going to be severely harmed if not killed altogether.
How common is that that women would need to be sent to a hospital after going to an abortion clinic? What's what's going wrong there?
It's hard to know because there's a lack of reporting. So states are trying to pass complications reporting so we can get a better understanding of how many times women are going to the hospitals, but we've heard stories of physicians instructing women to say they're having a miscarriage or not to tell the emergency department that they had an abortion. So it's really difficult to get a real number. But with the with the more widespread use of chemical abortions, especially male in abortions, we have seen an increase in complications of people showing up at the emergency departments with complications either with chemical or with surgical abortions, but without proper complications reporting and the hospital's doing the due diligence to report that to the Health Department. It's hard to say. But it is more common than people think it is.
And what is male and male and abortion.
So that's a new trend that the abortion industry is pushing where women would be able to access chemical abortions via telehealth and be mailed in the mail, which means they're having no type of physical exam, that no type of ultrasound, anything that would indicate it is a safe procedure or medicine for them to take. And so we're seeing people be able to get chemical abortions from China from India, without any kind of physician oversight and they are taking it when they should not be when they're either too far along or they have an ectopic pregnancy. They don't know like there has to be a physician that's looking at you to see how far along you are to ensure it's on ectopic pregnancy to make sure you don't have the risks, you know that you're not high risk before you take these pills, and that's not happening and so the abortion and industry is pushing, being women being able to access abortion pills via mail.
You say that your organization is the missing link and closing down abortion clinics? Could you tell me more about that?
Yeah, absolutely. We identified this gap where states were passing pro life legislation, and good good regulations, like I said, to force the medical, the abortion industry to meet the same medical standards as any other physician or surgical center. But when it came down to the implementation of those laws on a state level, again, there was a lack of enforcement. And so we help bridge that gap. And we say, if the laws are on the books, if they're not enforced, they might as well not be there. And so we bridge that gap of ensuring that the laws on the books are being followed properly.
And there's the ultimate goal to have abortion clinics closed down. In your view,
yes, most of these facilities, if they were absolutely compliant to every law, they would not be able to practice. We kind of call it death by 1000 cuts. But getting the proper properly credentialed and certified staff in place, they have a hard time doing that. They're like I said, the buildings are not up to code. They don't want to pay for the construction to ensure that the hallways are wide enough for authorities to get down. The physicians that are practicing, if they were looked into closely by the medical board, they would probably say, you know, you're showing signs of impairment. I mean, if if they if every abortion facility was 100% in compliance, or were made to be 100% in compliance, I guarantee you hundreds of facilities would shut down.
The recent case of fetuses discovered in a DC home raises similar concerns to what you're talking about, yet it has not been investigated. Do you think this case should be investigated further?
Yeah. Do you see as a perfect example, where abortion was was blatantly deregulated, they were removed every type of regulation in DC. And so what's going to happen? These physicians have no oversight, thus leading to cases like this that are just absolutely graphic. And, and so, so gut wrenching, and absolutely, the authorities need to do their jobs and investigate this further.
In your view, what's at stake here?
I mean, women's life, women's health, I mean, the abortion industry likes to tout themselves as being for women. But the cases that I hear the situations I deal with nothing about that is health care for women, nothing about that as empowering to women. These women are taken advantage of they are scared, they're vulnerable, and they're being you know, these women are the victims of this Pensacola facility, their lives will never be the same. One of them had to undergo a total hysterectomy, because of the damage is done by this abortionist. And we are truly trying to protect women from these Abortionists that are going to harm them. So women's health, women's lives are at stake. If we do not hold the abortion industry accountable.
Missy Martinez stone, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Is there anything that you'd like to add?
No, I think that's pretty much it. My schedule is actually super tight. So I'm so
sorry. Okay, perfect. Okay. Thank you Yeah, I heard that in my ear. Okay, yes. All right. Your organization operates nationally. How widespread Do you think this kind of malpractice is?
Okay. Oh, gosh, I made her go over 10 minutes. I'll keep that in mind next time. And the next one, okay. How important is it in your view to have more oversight of these clinics?
You say that your organization is the missing link in closing down abortion clinics. Could you tell me more about that? That was it. Yeah. Thanks Tim.