We are talking today about faith and trauma. And when Wendy and I were getting ready to do the podcast, we talked a little bit about how faith has different meanings in English. And that what we hope to address is both the idea or the concept of a faith tradition. But we also hope to talk to talk a little bit more about spirituality, and taking religion out of the equation. And talking about how we can have our own sense of having a power greater than ourselves, whether it's the universe or love, or any other way that you call the power that you recognize us higher than yourself. And we wanted to make sure that we did distinguish the idea that we are talking about two different things here. We're talking about faith traditions, and we're also talking about spiritual connection. Does that sound right, Wendy?