It's been a 10 year process actually, like with the vision of what I'm doing now, but like, I've been doing a lot of things in this space for a number of years. And so like, yeah, so happy to talk.
Great, awesome. Well, what I've been doing is I like people to kind of get a chance to see the different paths that people take to get to web three. You know, unlike some traditional industries, there's no no clear path. You know, if you want to be a lawyer, you go to law school, but you know, how do you get into web three? And so I'd love to hear it and share your story kind of how, what route it took to get to where you are now. Cool. And
I want to say like, I think it is unique to like and again I really appreciate you liking let me tell the story. So I mean, I gotta just get get started here that not gonna be like too long, but kind of the abbreviated, at least the experience so like, like, honestly, like, I live in China for 10 years, like and so like I was in China from 22,006 16 doing traditional finance, but actually that's somewhat unrelated to my work your experience, but um, I was doing finance there. And I was also interested in like, I've always been about idea creation and how people like, like, I guess, like, get opportunity, like, you know, how like, what are the ages of opportunity, like you know, what drives opportunity and so obviously being a Westerner here like I'm going to Seattle right now but Amazon headquarters actually sitting here right now. This was the Crosby from my apartment. I have words that create ideas like you know, the Westerner and people in China and the way that they create ideas as well. And so like I speak Chinese and my spoke Chinese, you know, back then too, so I went to China to get into business and kind of like SEO people don't like approach problem solving. And so did that for a number of years, and then about 2014 I really started putting those ideas together. And I want to say I think this is wrong at the same time that the Tallac was doing like the original Aetherium white paper, not saying in any way that like I have similar ideas that he did, but like a couple of my buddies and I like very much together like on a plan for like what an engine of opportunity would look like like what didn't like kind of internal market of ideas. How people could like exchange, like ideas of value within a marketplace setting. I don't think actually I'd hadn't read the white paper at the time. So it's kind of somewhat separate that we had when we were talking about internal stock markets and that kind of stuff. And so, then after that point that I actually discovered Bitcoin which living in China at that time, about 2014 There's capital controls about how much money you can take out of China as a Chinese citizen. So I was like, Hey, maybe I can help my buddies like invest in foreign companies with Bitcoin. Actually, at the time, I couldn't do it because there's no proof of funds. There was no like chain analysis or a TR labs or anything like that. Back at that point. Where if like, someone wanted to use Bitcoin to like invest like and like, you know, cash out and invest like, you know, an American company, you could there's no question history behind it. And so, but by doing that, like one kind of like, having some similar idea so like metallic and Aetherium and internal markets. Like in early 2014, discovering Bitcoin and potentially using that as an investment vehicle, which again, we did and kind of really just really just like put me down the rabbit hole of getting into web three and blog, I don't think was calling the web three at the time of blockchain or Bitcoin or whatever we would call it at that point right then, and so I just felt that like I needed to dig deeper into like the potentials of what you could do with you know, with, you know, Bitcoin blockchain web three and everything like that. So came back to the states in 2016. Seattle, where I am with my wife, and I'm doing like, where to get my understanding of what threw down I went back to the University of Washington or I'm an RA. I'm a graduate of the University of Washington and I did a thesis with a humanities department at University of Washington on brilliant theoretical, social network and blockchain. This is about 2016 2017. That was really the kind of collective ideas more of a manifesto actually, it kind of again, going back to like, what drives opportunity? You know, then like what I discovered and China and the West and like, you know, what I've come up with, it's like all about agency like sovereignty of the self and of groups. So the more agency an individual and a group has, the more that can get done. But, you know, obviously we have to limits a lot of the things people can do. There's a lot of control there. So again, like kind of went down the rabbit hole of web three, did that thesis of the social network than a summer career in traditional finance that they transition to web three as a career at that point, worked in a crypto custodian called prime trust out of Las Vegas for a couple of years at that point right there. They're your crypto costs and new payment rails and that kind of stuff. Fiat like crypto, like payment rails, was there for a couple of years. Really kind of understanding from that perspective, because my background is finance understanding that some of the regulations and those kinds of things that you needed to get out there and like you were just still obviously super important right there. I mean, we all love to be like altruistic and like Dijon to a certain extent, but people gotta be protected. So like, That guy's got some great knowledge there, Rob trust of like, how those regulations might look and like we still haven't hit it yet. Now, but like how it might look into the future. left there, that I was, with my experience in China and my ability to speak Chinese I was what the Chinese blockchain called conflicts layer one layer two out of China, very interesting, compliant in China to a certain extent, a lot of cool things like dealing with the show right government and some things are on remedy. stablecoins and, but that was my more of my experience of like learning the central more the decentralized aspects of blockchain. Get to work there for a couple of years and then and left there December of what 21 That I ended up going back to the University of Washington I suggested that I teach a class on on web three and the humanities and the philosophy of like why you do watching like you're not just like a straight up like solidity and coding, but like what is like the like the holistic approach like what can you do with with blockchain and web three and like, why do you do it beyond like di phi? d phi is cool, like, You're that guy. That's awesome. But what are some of the democratizing aspects of web three and blockchain and I was lucky enough I was able to use my thesis that I'd written is kind of a basis for the class and so lucky to have like a huge group of amazing amazing dude, he's absolutely brilliant. Again, in humanities, math, computer science, by biology students, business students, all those kinds of cool things and ended up running the class somewhat like a Dow again, like you know, based on some of the things from my thesis, bringing founders like from different companies, every week, guest lecturer and then we kind of would pivot the class based upon the input from the students kind of where they want to take things. And so that culminated in US actually building vision, which kind of the thing that you've seen right now, that I'm talking about on Lincoln, vision is, is based on my thesis that I had written but it was so far before Dallas and like I said, I was calling them hubs and alliances, kind of before all in some of these government scenes came out. So we took it back and modified it was the students that make their input, and then we ended up building it and so was able to convert half the students to like want us to she's co founder and CTO and like the rest was like we got like marketing like customer success on kind of the whole, the whole team, essentially here together. We've made product we've got the v1 out there ready to go and install it actually went out we're raising funds right now to take it to the next level. That's my journey. And very small nutshell right there. It's been pretty crazy, man.
Yeah, well, fantastic. Well, thanks. I'm sure it wasn't easy to condense all of that into just a few minutes. Yeah, very exciting stuff. It's so interesting to me that you lived in China. I actually lived in Vietnam right now.
Yeah, I saw your timezone I was like, wait a second that looks very vice versa, like when I live in over there and talking to people in Asia.
Yeah, it's been so interesting. Since I've gotten into web three. I've worked and met with so many Chinese people and before before that, I really hadn't, you know, there's these blocks kind of between America and there and China and then in Vietnam, a little bit of racism, about Chinese and stuff like that. So I hadn't had a lot of exposure, but I started doing marketing and doing social media content for web three, and started getting all these Chinese projects. And I had no idea they were so interested in web three, but as I discovered, they're very active over there and doing a lot of cool projects. And, and I love that web three kind of crossed these boundaries that were existing from nations and things like that. And now they're just buddies that I'm working with and talking with and, and very cool, but you definitely learn a lot living in Asia and gain such a different perspective. I know my perspective has changed so much since I've been outside of the West. Yeah, where are you from? Originally? I was born in Colorado, but I lived in California for a long time, got into the music business there and was there for about 15 years before I started traveling.
Yeah, Asia is great. And my wife's from Hong Kong like you know, we miss it. We haven't been back since COVID. Course and that kind of stuff. So we got a baby girl. So like we just rolled with a little girl. So we're gonna take her back, probably to like Hong Kong. I want to say enter the suburb, make her your birthday, and we'll start traveling at that point then.
Congrats. I have a year old son. And I remember four months Wow, it's so such a special time. But it's really interesting and I think it's a good time to travel because it definitely more robust and you know, moving around and Kid kid enjoy what they see a lot. At stake. So I wanted to you know, the people who read these articles and are entering web three A lot of times we have new people coming in and it can be intimidating to see these projects and so much that's going on. How would you explain to somebody new or to a child you know what vision does or how
Yeah, okay, well vision that was very basically is like the, I guess the high level stories that help billions of people by making the internet easier to use. What does that even mean? Okay, so like, as we have out there, like we have, we have two and web three. They're like, there's not really much crossover right now. So vision is essentially a browser based operating system that blends web two and web three lives in one browser tab is based on web assembly. Everything is a web app. So essentially, like what you do is like say you have like your like your iOS or your Android homescreen. Like you're obviously on your on your iOS device or your Android device. What vision is vision is a platform that is device agnostic, and it's like an iOS or like an Android, but it lives on one singular browser tab. And so that essentially allows like web two and web three to communicate via like social graphs, and also be permission data sharing. So like once you unlock like, once you give me like, your wallet or whatever permission to share data, you can share data between web two and web three, is pretty much been done by Oracle's up to this point. That's kind of the bridge between web two and web three, but like we use web assembly and like web assembly, like supports, like the vast majority of the programming languages out there. So we feel that like, by using this, like, you know how many like millions like web two developers are out there, like it makes it easy for web two developers to get into web three and vice versa out there. So we actually did not have like, like, with like, I don't want to say like the big thing with vision that you can buy a bypass app for fees and overcome unfair platform terms. You can accept access Green Public anything or own anything on any device. And so, obviously, we know that you know, Apple, Google have these 30% fees out there for the for the app stores. However they all support WebKit WebAssembly and that kind of stuff. So interestingly enough, when the iPhone came out in like 2007 Steve Jobs original vision for like applications or apps on the iPhone was Safari base was was going to be a web app based. So obviously, this was prior to the Android and like any other competitors coming out, probably a couple of years later, when and when Android came out, like they just prior to the App Store being developed. Like okay, like, of course Java is very competitive. And so like he's like he doesn't want the same applications to be voted in. across devices and want to take advantage of what Apple done with Android and so on and so forth. One of his board members suggested the app stores as the App Store is born as the walled garden was born. The original vision for the iPhone was not as much of a walled garden you know, prior to competition so like, but what competition came around and who was walled garden appeared and so like, we've essentially taken like, jobs original vision, and made it like, you know, what's one of the biggest like the biggest problem statements? Obviously, a web two was walled garden. So how do you break down those walled gardens, you can break down those walled gardens, like with web apps, so that's what we made this web app operating system that is you know, you can make a Dhow with the app or an app into a web app. And those can live in one singular environment across any device.
That sounds very cool. I'm excited to so it's working now like can somebody go now and start using it
or so we have v1 out now and so v1, essentially as they so we haven't been one is like, you create a social profile. So like you have like, you know, like you have your headshot like your header. And then you can create, you can write down the correct tokens you can do for governance, we build out the full like web three aspects of everything first to make sure those are fully functioning. So as it exists now, it's comparable to like an Aragon like a super Dao or a colony. Similar same functionality out there. No code involved, that takes about a minute to like spin up like a doubt a token. So that was like the MVP that group pretty much not going to like show to investors most things to say like hey, this team is a great team. We can go to awesome things. And we have the roadmap to build the full vision, essentially a vision. And so where we're at now, we just finished building out the virtual machines. So people can make applications provision, operating OS like functionalities coming in now with some of the other the graphical user interfaces and some of those things, which is gonna take a little while to get up and running. But yeah, I mean, like, we're only testing internally I just started opening up this V wonder new users right now. But kind of our thing, honestly, is that like the weeks and the months progress here, we're gonna be open up to more and more and then do a Public Test. Net probably in the relatively near future is to get people using the product.
Very cool. Well, please keep me informed and I'll let our community and people know to this sounds like an exciting opportunity for a lot of people.
really different. Yeah,
it's something different. I've been hearing the term web 2.5 a lot lately as kind of a way to explain products that are web two friendly, but have aspects of web three Would you consider envision a web 2.5 project or
I was considered an internet product man, like I say, vision is but it lowers the barrier to entry. And so do use it you actually don't work doesn't work where our token units need a username and a password. So you could use vision like you would use iOS, but yeah, be like Neubert or whatever apps that you might have on iOS or whatever that you want to do, or like your team's ears, or whatever there. You could use vision without ever having to dive into web three, because like, you don't need a token. For everything. Like honestly, you don't need to definitely don't need a doll for everything. There's always gonna be traditional business always make your digital applications out there. And so we think like, you know, obviously, web two and iOS users, like billions of people out there, like web three is like millions out there. So we feel by making this this process of just using vision easy, you don't need to talk and you can just use it like you would like iOS, like get people into web three. And then if they choose that, you go down the rabbit hole, and they can join a dowel or they can make $1. They can interact with tokens. And so that this really kind of like like this kind of this like, there's this concept called Maya. It's called most advanced yet acceptable by this gentleman named Ray mulloway. Industrial Designer, it's like in the 60s, so like, there's no way web three is gonna be mass adopted, if you just like shoved dowels and that was not people's throats. You got to walk into the process. And so if they want to use it, they can but they don't. They don't have to be like, I don't use web three for everything that I do like I got my PlayStation five I don't need my like Harry Potter game like to be like a Dao or something like that. I just want to be able to use it as it exists out there like a web to app that's, that's totally cool.
Yeah, okay. Very cool. So, so there's something for everybody. So if somebody doesn't care at all about web three, it doesn't matter. They can go and use the product. And if somebody is a, you know, Bitcoin, Maxy or somebody and they, they just want web three, it's good. Good for them to
examine. So yeah, we talked about the user experience. Look at a couple of things about the user experience like one is that okay? The profile is like a Facebook profile. Very similar kind of interaction to so it's also a crypto Wallet. So if you do want, like it has any ERC derivative token, you know, 2721 defies those kind of things out there. And so if someone wants to use your profile as a wallet, they can probably like this is again another last mile and user experience thing, like meta mask is scary to use, you get to like a 12 word seed phrase, like, you know, is very secure and awesome product out there. But like, like even when I switch between devices, and I'm like entering my 12 word, seed phrase, and like, like load by like wall, I freak out, like, I'm scared that I'm not going to build assets, the assets or whatever. So what we do with division profile while it's totally recoverable, so you can like identify like two friends essentially to say, oh my like, oh my god, I lost my password like, Can my wallet or my profile like my assets are not going to be gone? Because two of my friends are trusted. African multi SIG essentially don't have access to my assets, but they can multisig and reopen my wallet for me. And so like, I work with a lot of like nonprofits. I do a lot of education with a bunch of nonprofits like refugees and some of those things and so, if you want it like, there's no way that someone in Syria is going to like get a meta mask, wallet, you know, and like 12 hours to be able to move assets like from point A to point B, there was this like, you know, manager and he has a great application on chain and they could actually have a profile and they wouldn't they would never lose anything. You know, they could just, it's very hard to be hacked. He does really good social trust out there. We vision doesn't hold any of the keys. It's all held like by the people and so like I get a big last mile play right there like making like, not scary to lose, to hold or maybe lose.
Yeah, well I love that because it's fun. Glad to hear somebody else say that because I experienced that fear. So many times if my you know, we lose electricity or something in my Metamask disconnects, to put that seed phrase back in or, or even to get it because I keep a touch away. So you know, and when you're busy when you're working. You don't want to have these fear moments creep into your day. So I think that the thickness creates something that's definitely definitely needed. So I'm curious, since your product is almost like a hybrid, are you using traditional ways to grow it for example, like community, you know, a minimum viable community that kind of helps with feedback that helps me promoting stuff
like that? Yeah, so that's just beginning right now, honestly. And so if you looked at my profile, like I work with a network called off chain, co founder this yellow character off chain, like the guy identifies where you're on Vietnam, and they got about two chapters in Vietnam, we should check out but it's like a group of like 15 to 20,000 people in 50 Plus cities around the world that do things blockchain, they discuss things blockchain and like, it's a bunch of like a big Meetup group. And so I'm very close to the founders of op chain. I'm a co founder of the Seattle chapter myself and so they're the first real community that we're going to be working with, to, to use vision is going to start slowly from Seattle to the bigger ones out there, but they got a big pain point. Like, is off chain is like they have tons and tons of people and tons and tons of communities but there's not much communication between those communities. There are people like like this talking about like your application. So we have a lot of online, people on WeChat. We got people on telegram and so on and so forth, has always been really cool discussions happening on these different disparate platforms. But there's not really as much there's not crossover right there. But envision, since you it's a web app based, you can actually just you can embed things and you sort of HTML with Envision and make it an app. So the one of the use cases they're probably going to use is they're gonna be able to aggregate all their social channels together to kind of have one like singular Twitter like feed that people can log into vision. They can see all the conversations going on in one place. And you can capture value in those conversations, or things will emerge from conversations with within the blockchain groups was people see what's going on. That's one very, very small use case right there. There's other things we're looking at scaling right now. You know, I can't talk about particularly what that is, but that's a use case of like, you know, off chain 60 cities around the world they you know, we'd get if we can get a foothold, like pretty much most of the major cities in the world when we actually go on main network or presence and then we can do some like a clubhouse, like roll out and like to get you on board as quickly as possible.
Yeah, and that's another big problem to solve. I love that you're just knocking out these problems. You know, rather than just trying to make something cool, or because it's flat flat sheet or something like that. That's a big problem that I run into all the time especially with as I'm onboarding web, two users, you know, they really dislike discord, you know, and, and everybody has kind of their own little place and so how do you bring a community together when you have, you know, 30 on Twitter 10 in the discord, you know, so, so I love that to have one single place to kind of where everybody can join the conversation, no matter where they are, and they can see what's happening on all these different platforms.
Yeah, so this is vision. Like and so like, you know, it's like you can we have like a Reddit like threading is one of the the modules of the app. There's about live port so you can wrap all these different disparate channels with comments so you could people can comment they wouldn't like if you comment on vision, it's not gonna go comment line or they can reach out but it wouldn't be in one singular place people could comment on all this stuff that exists was posted with North chats on vision and so we could super down the rabbit hole like all about user functionality, user experience. And so one really cool thing that would emerge from like one singular feed of conversations is that you can that can make you write like if you can read it even like highlight something you can right click on it, you can like maybe reply to it or whatever you can copy it or save it. With envision you can right click and make it make a doubt let's go to web three aspects of their posts like some really cool idea emerges out of like a live chat or a telegram chat within the speed people who come together they can immediately lock and unlock your project and see our works. So there's, there's go super deep down the rabbit hole and there's some really cool things like that as like your value add a vision that opens up a whole new crypto economic aspect to traditional economics. So like the game, and like another one of our first like, users, a gentleman named crypto diamond, YouTube, YouTube personality, got tons of followers makes decent revenue like of course like on on YouTube. Via ads, got a decent amount of commenters, but he's beholden, of course, to YouTube algorithms and their revenue policies and so on and so forth. So for him, he could use vision but what the cool thing is, he doesn't have to leave YouTube. I want to use the embedding. So you can just take his channel you can stream it to vision. And he's actually you can wrap with weather infrastructure, and so he can just maintain wherever he's got go, I'm not gonna lose his revenue on YouTube. But you could go and you can take that same content. And it's not with the API's or anything like that. Nothing that you do can block it simply streaming to the platform. And then you can do a number of things with it. You can of course, you can just do like, you could do crypto tips and subscriptions, if you really wanted to very basically, for us. It's like, kind of going onto a bit of a tangent here like we use IPFS like for data and decentralized storage. We put together the tokenomics around data marketplaces. And so what he can do is he can backup all of his YouTube data at himself essentially, and then make his channel a doubt, like, on vision for the user. It would be a reason for users like of course they comment like on YouTube, but like, you know, why would they come to a vision and pop it while they come to a vision and they can invest in that Dow and they can hedge a bet on the future growth of crypto diamond. They could, you know, they could come together they could knit community together and like, you know, say is data you know, which is definitely worse something always videos, he's got 10s of 1000s of followers out there and you're like indexing increase, so the value of that data will increase and the community can come together and you know, increase, they can increase reward together.
decisions together. Yeah. Cool. Cool. So, one thing I'm very curious about because a lot of people when they read this article, they're gonna want to find out more. You know, and one thing I like about web three, that there's a place for everybody, you know, man, everybody may not be a dev or may not have all these skills, but even a retweet is is good, you know, even that's participating. And so I like to give people a chance to go explore the projects that I interview. Is your website the best place for people to learn about this? Do they go to follow you on Twitter?
So it'd be a website like LinkedIn right now honestly, let's go website. Yeah, is vision that you go like I've been putting a lot of stuff on actually my personal LinkedIn right now that I've retweeted. Sorry, reposting on the vision and the vision LinkedIn like we've been stalled for so long, like we really like literally within the past couple of weeks, just came up came on the stealth. So getting all the things out there, you know, we are the preseason age right now, right now and the website is there. It's a bit bare bones but like it's got information on it. Then it's got a link to the LinkedIn and we do have a discord and Twitter and all that stuff out there. But probably the best place again is probably going to be It'd be my LinkedIn honestly, to get in and also divisions LinkedIn to find more information on vision as we grow.
Okay, great. So if they just search Chris Banbury, or if they search a vision, they should be able to find
some vision Dow Exactly.
Awesome and maybe even down the road we can have another interview as you see you guys how your progress and what stage you're
at pretty cool opportunities man like now like you know the question now of like, like, because like, I think I want the guy to actually I want to want to mention about vision quickly before we got here. There's it's there's, of course gotta it's gotta be revenue and things like that. There's two models. So there's one there's a vision public was always going to be free for any like any users and we don't like want to go like I know a lot of other like services, like they charge like a premium or whatever like that, like you know, but our tokenomics which is fully built out very robust. The white paper is pretty awesome. Of course even tokenomics is like just new so it hasn't been tested at scale yet, but there's that so that will always remain free for like any like you or me or like anyone even corporations, whatever they use if they wanted to. So that is that that model is treasury and tokenomics base. There's also a vision, the SAS model, the SAS model would not be like you would be for like a Nike or like a Microsoft or like or it'd be a corporation that a lot of private instance, vision like a sandbox instance. So they don't have to interact like they could, you know, there's no gas in us and like, you know, whatever that may be that they might use, very similar to like a Slack or a teams out there. We've modeled that based somewhat on some of those features, but you know, visually be an operating system. You can make any app for it. I want to say the coolest thing about this though, is that division, SAS and division public and interact together. So let's say I'm Nike, and then like I have like, like, my vision staff that I use, like, you know, like, are you going to use Slack or something like that? But I want to target market, like very specific community to like spin up a shoe isn't just a random example. But I work with a lot of people in in Palestine and Gaza I actually mentored an organization called Gaza sky geeks. So let's say Nike wanted to target those people specifically. They could go they could spin up a group and they can they could they could they could co create ideas and then share rewards together a vision and public envision staffs are bridge so they can make essentially on demand, like crowd like idea generating or people that want to do it.
Okay, wow, that sounds That sounds very cool.
Was this something it's totally different? Yeah,
I was. I was reading it's not the same but it's kind of a similar cool idea. I was reading the Nikes new marketplace the swoosh one. I don't know if it's rolled out yet. But eventually fans are supposed to be able to use the Nike IP and then sell products on their marketplace and they split the split the profits
up something kind of similar out there. Just like Slack and with Slack and like teams you can make I know obviously I've done traditional business before so in Slack you can have a channel within an organization or something. That's not the same thing. This is like you can take the power of the crowd so this like when the the very key thing for vision is like what you need. It's cool if you opportunity and if people can make things up for the SAS model, you need a big crowd for people to be able to interact and share rewards together. So like I have a number of options right now of how we're scaling a lot a lot of questions I got to answer like you know personally and business wise, like, you know, do we want to go down this route or now to scale as quickly as possible? Or how or do we want to go for organic growth, prefer organic growth, but we got to like, you know, assess opportunities to see what's best for like the business and honestly the users.
Great, great. Well, before we go, you know it's rare to have some a chance to talk to somebody who has so much experience like you, and I'm really rooting for kind of all the new people joining. Do you have advice or anything you could tell some new people that are somebody who may be read this interview just to kind of whether it be careful or find inspiration here or any kind of suggestion for new people?
I mean, okay, yeah. Okay, be careful is probably a good thing. Like, you know, there's phishing scams everywhere. Honestly, it's all about education, like me with a background in education. I'm gonna put a plug for off chain again. So we're developing some really cool like, you know, free education programs that anyone actually we're releasing quite soon, that people can go out and kind of spit up like these getting basic knowledge of web three that Gandalf cannot get themselves like, you know, in trouble. And so this is respective of two things perspective, one of like, just like the non tech person who might want to get a marketing or BD or something like that, like you know, in web three, and also like, second, second, second year from the perspective of someone that's already endeavored attack and so want to cater to both crowds can educate people, like get people at least have enough knowledge, like, you know, again, just the general populace, enough knowledge to be able to, to do business and not make mistakes and to also go down the rabbit hole of actually full education. So I guess Long story short, and he's like, you know, get educated. There's a lot of disparate things out there right now. I can definitely point like your like your readers and end users to like what we're doing with off chain. I think we're probably like we have a we have one program, I want to say within the next couple of weeks. We have a really robust program coming out like later this spring. And so, you know, there's stuff that exists out there. I mean, you can even go to like, what coinbase.com You can like you can do like a little bit alert or like on coinbase.com You can learn about like different crypto products and that kind of stuff you can gain a bit of coin and I think that probably a good place to start is that you don't want to go out and to start buying and trading things you can get a little bit of something for free and play around with it. So that's that's very basic education right there. But look at the more educated you can be the better, the better. You're going to be in career and and safety. And everything.
Yeah, okay. Well, great advice. You had to dip your toes in before you just dive right in and get into trouble. Great though. And for off chain. How do people find that is it off? chain.com or social option? Social up chain does so yeah, okay.
Yeah. So I'll I'll drop it. I'll drop your link there real quick in our in our zoom here.
Okay, awesome. All right. Yeah,
you guys are great right here. And like I'm very happy to be involved with them. They really quickly like doubled like last year during COVID are more than doubled the amount of global chapters and some chapters have like, you know, like honestly hundreds of people some are like dozens of people there's a lot of stuff going on out there a lot of cool projects emerging you know beyond just like hey, let's have a beer like talking about blockchain you know, like, like, you know, honestly like, I'm gonna say like, with vision like, Thank God they came along, you know, the government, working with them because it offers the chance to work with a really good community of people are interested in that, you know, we can we can grow together.
Yeah, awesome. Fantastic. Well, we're getting a little bit close to running out of time. Is there something that I didn't ask or anything you wanted to touch upon that we did cover?
I'm good man. I think I'm pretty good but there's we can go to we can keep talking.
So I can't talk about too. So. Yeah. So I think if you want
to find some tidbits to talk about, go to my LinkedIn, I put a number of posts like I think everyday last week of some really cool things. Some some of the features that tokenomics Like the no code, like the philosophy is like, sort of his vision is based on philosophy and like I like I said spent a lot of time with China. So you know, it mixes confusion, social harmony, like you know, Western ideologies together. I talked about that some, you know, with my Lincoln so if you can get by by some call to bits there. Feel free to ask me any questions about anything remain posted.
Okay, great. And what I'll do, you know, I transcribe this AI and then I'd like to add a nice introduction about you. So any information you have for that I can also I'll go to your LinkedIn too, but if there's something maybe new or something you want to share with me, please do and if you have any images or something like that you'd like to add, that's always good too. And, and then before we do any publishing or anything, I'll send it to you, just because the AI can, you know, sometimes it's completely invented sections of a conversation I've had so I want to make sure we're not inventing anything and we represent what you envision or doing accurately so and then once you sign off, we'll publish it, and it'll be on the art digital on medium. So that's the organization that I'm the Head of Marketing for. And so that'll be fun. And then you know, maybe down the road we can join a Twitter spaces together or you know, do something else and I'll definitely be keeping an eye on vision and seeing how you guys progress.
Sounds good. Once you put that can you get put an email like like what you need for me like you know, you said like bio, that kind of stuff. Like that'd be okay. There's some pictures login. I'll get you that stuff take care of
okay, I'm sure we'll I'll send you just just those couple of things.
Sounds good. Appreciate your time. out too.
Yeah, we'll enjoy that baby Chris. Have fun bye bye.